I feel sure that accountability is coming to Donnie the Rapist, BUT...

[CapnSteve]

...does anyone else feel that cold chill down their spines? Will Donnie 'lil Hands' lawyers use his constant sleeping in court as a lynch-pin in their appeal? "Could not provide an adequate or effective defense..." or something like that? I am not a lawyer, obviously, but it feels like Donnie the Fraud's inability to stay awake could be used by a smart lawyer on appeal.

I do think Donnie the Criminal Dunce will be convicted one more or more of the counts. We have 34 chances in this case for justice.

Thanks for reading. Shaking it off and back to my happy, optimistic yellow-dog Democrat self!

"First, they ignore you, then the laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Ghandi

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Falling asleep during trial a reversible error?

What was Judge Merchan supposed to do? Stop the proceedings to wake up TSF every time he closed his eyes? That was his counsel's job.

As far as penalties go, even if TSF got a fine, I'd be satisfied with the permanent moniker of "Convicted felon, disgraced former President Trump".

[EYESORE 9001]

3. And two-time loser

Can’t neglect that pesky fact

[sop]

2. Use Trump's "sleeping in court as a lynch-pin in their appeal?"

Didn't Trump and his henchmen deny he was sleeping in court?

[2naSalit]

4. What makes me wonder...

Is if the attorney, Blanche, was making serious errors intending for them to be used on appeal with a different attorney for the appeal claiming his incompetency.

They're going to try everything they think could work in their favor so buckle up and put on your waders, it's going to get deep.

[onenote]

8. No. The lawyers were not intentionally making errors to create an appeal based on ineffective representation.

This idea has been thoroughly debunked by actual attorneys here ( including myself ). It is based on a misunderstanding of what constitutes ineffective assistance of counsel.

Overturning a verdict based on ineffective assistance of counsel is a very high bar to clear. The defendant would have to show that their counsel failed to meet the "minimum standard" of competence expected of counsel and that, but for counsel's deficient performance, there is a "reasonable probability" that the result of the proceeding would have differed. The minimum standard test is exactly that -- a "minimum" standard. Courts are loathe to second guess a defense counsel's choice of what witnesses to put on or what questions to ask because there is not necessarily one "correct" way to try a case.

Here's another attorney's similar explanation: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18967618

[CapnSteve]

12. Thanks, onenote, for putting that fear to rest for me!

It is wonderful to have the deep pool of expertise here at DU!

[Aristus]

13. Isn't committing deliberate errors in order to trigger a mistrial grounds for disbarment?

I would think so.

In my profession, committing any deliberate error is grounds for civil lawsuits, criminal trial, and loss of medical license.

[2naSalit]

14. One would hope so...

Still, others have already gone there and it hasn't slowed any of this madness down.

[gab13by13]

5. C'mon people,

When TSF goes to trial he loses. Why is that? TSF loses because he commits crime for all to see. He loses because there is no evidence he can show to refute his guilt. He loses because all he has once he is taken to court are threats and political nonsense.

Holding TSF accountable has never been about getting the evidence, never been about getting ducks in a row. Holding TSF accountable has always been about pulling the trigger and Merrick Garland never had the guts to do that. This trial should be over by now, Garland should have indicted "individual one." Mueller had the ducks lined up.

How many people in TSF's inner circle has Merrick Garland indicted after 3 years? Those people who were involved in the coup are still working on the coup. Kash Patel and Jeffrey Clarke went to the fucking courtroom to show support for TSF.

State Attorney Generals and Fani Willis are trying hold the coup plotters accountable while Merrick Garland is about to prosecute Joe Biden's son. When Democrats keep the Senate and win back the House and keep the presidency Merrick Garland should resign or be fired, there is so much Magat clean up to take care of.

Thank you state of New York and the other states that understand the threat to our democracy.

While I'm at it, we need a new FBI Director who isn't a member of the Federalist Society, we need new Inspector Generals to weed out corruption and or partisanship in DOJ and the Fucking IRS. Will the IRS hold TSF accountable for his 651 million dollar double dip tax write off for his Chicago Trump trial or has this crime already been swept under the rug?

Will TSF win an appeal because he fell asleep in court, OMG how high the bar has risen to holding him accountable.

I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.

[mucifer]

6. I'm thinking the supreme court will figure out a way to get him off the way they will for the

federal trials.

It seems that so many people are trying their best to save him.

This is still such a crappy case compared the the election interference case and the documents case. It really sucks.

I don't believe he would have lost many votes from having an affair with a porn star. It's nothing compared to the access hollywood tape.

Yes, he broke the law. But, compared to all the other horrific things he did, this feels like nothing.

[gab13by13]

7. The Supreme Court will not get involved in state law.

TSF will be found guilty and he will forever be a convicted felon and that is a big deal.

TSF will lose votes after he is convicted which is also a big deal.

[Hugin]

9. Personally, I believe that Blanche's "lynch pin" or ...

Hail Mary in the mistrial or appeal gambino-bit was letting “put him in prison” slip into the closing.

Like every story ever written, nothing is in closing statements by accident.

It’s already bearing fruit as the jury has requested that the instructions be re-read.

[gab13by13]

10. I get my news from reliable sources

and my sources tell me that what the jury requested was bad for TSF.

[Hugin]

11. I agree it was mostly bad for Trump...

Viewing the same reliable sources you are, my opinion is based on two of the items. The request for re-readings of the jury instructions and the McDougal lifetime NDA testimony were what, again in my opinion, demonstrate the jury is trying to discern in their deliberations if the charges rise to the level of felonies.

I have little doubt, Trump will be found guilty. What’s open is if the jury finds the crimes rise to the level of election interference felonies.

[onenote]

15. He can't appeal based on something he said

That was addressed by the judge almost immediately