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So in other words, Trump cheated to win the Presidency. He cheated Hillary Clinton out of being President (Original Post) Swede May 2024 OP
it's not like we did not already know that Skittles May 2024 #1
We did Unwind Your Mind May 2024 #12
Nothing wrong with a handy reminder. calimary May 2024 #44
The FBI and Russia helped him cheat too. Irish_Dem May 2024 #2
I will never forgive James Comey. dhol82 May 2024 #4
Same here. Claustrum May 2024 #5
amen to that dhol82... democratsruletheday May 2024 #6
He is one slimy character. Irish_Dem May 2024 #13
The very definition of useful idiot. nt Xipe Totec May 2024 #32
Nor will I. Not EVER!!! calimary May 2024 #45
James Comey was more important to the outcome of that election than all other factors combined. (eom) StevieM May 2024 #47
Agreed. returnee May 2024 #56
I had been canvassing for Hillary prior to James Camey informing the Repugs that he was riversedge May 2024 #58
NBC aired the turd for on prime time for years. Kid Berwyn May 2024 #11
so, in compensation... lapfog_1 May 2024 #3
The cost to America is incalculable. Irish_Dem May 2024 #17
How much better would the covid response have been... TSExile May 2024 #21
Yes that should be on the list. All of those deaths due to Trump's indifference. Irish_Dem May 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2024 #37
It was not covid "indifference"-- It was malevolence! Trump wanted blue city voters TO DIE! DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #54
Yes you are correct. A deliberate plan to let the blue cities die. Irish_Dem May 2024 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2024 #36
Trump not only cheated Clinton out of the presidency. FuzzyRabbit May 2024 #7
This needs to be repeated Johnny2X2X May 2024 #8
He absolutely cheated Hilliary out of the Presidency. walkingman May 2024 #9
No, it's more than that. TwilightZone May 2024 #10
You said it! Blue Owl May 2024 #14
Agreed - it wasn't penny-ante cheating FakeNoose May 2024 #15
Committed at least 34 felonies to win that election. MerryBlooms May 2024 #16
These are only the ones we know about. Irish_Dem May 2024 #18
Exactly! Every day he wakes up, there's a crime committed MerryBlooms May 2024 #19
Yes he wakes up every day with the intent to break the law in some way. Irish_Dem May 2024 #20
No because there's zero evidence that these crimes TexasDem69 May 2024 #23
Maybe no one has connected the dots between these crimes and any votes changing. summer_in_TX May 2024 #49
Bingo! We were denied a moment when the goodness of humanity was nigh to dominate..... jaxexpat May 2024 #24
He cheats at golf. surfered May 2024 #25
He sucks at golf, that's why he cheats at it so much. AZ8theist May 2024 #29
And his cheating put 3 reactionary turds on SCOTUS bucolic_frolic May 2024 #26
And then he appointed moondust May 2024 #27
He cheated Faux pas May 2024 #28
We need to give him props for destroying the GOP. SleeplessinSoCal May 2024 #30
In 2015 the markodochartaigh May 2024 #43
The death of the GOP has been greatly exaggerated. TwilightZone May 2024 #50
THIS is a VERY worthy post. calimary May 2024 #59
Most of main stream media is calling it the "hush money trial" Taraman May 2024 #31
Liar, thief, rapist, traitor. dalton99a May 2024 #33
We all knew that all along. Thanks to Comie and the endless "investigation" of Benghazi and "the emails." Martin68 May 2024 #34
More to the point, soldierant May 2024 #35
I think that was implied, but care to initiate a class action suit? I'll sign on! nt TeamProg May 2024 #41
Thank you for reminding us! (Not sarcasm) nt TeamProg May 2024 #38
He had lots of help. But basically he cannot win, ever, unless he cheats & has buckets of help. Hekate May 2024 #39
Republicans are freaking out because that's been their business as usual Warpy May 2024 #40
Exactly. He cheated on his pregnant wife with Karen McDougal.... Bozvotros May 2024 #42
Something that came out that bothered me - made his crime worse - Jarqui May 2024 #46
he also lost, again. AllaN01Bear May 2024 #48
Good news is....he'll be forever captured on hi-rez audio/video, Think of what future generations will think of this OAITW r.2.0 May 2024 #51
YEP! The_REAL_Ecumenist May 2024 #52
Stop rubbing it in. czarjak May 2024 #53
He cheated his way into stacking the SC........ usedtobedemgurl May 2024 #57

calimary

(83,904 posts)
44. Nothing wrong with a handy reminder.
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:00 PM
May 2024

As reality sinks in, we should gently reinforce it. Don’t dance on anybody’s political grave yet! Be graceful in victory, at least til we’ve locked in the win. And THEN, you can dance in the end zone til the cows come home.

Claustrum

(5,014 posts)
5. Same here.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:19 PM
May 2024

His dance around his responsibility of the result in 2016 is appalling to me. I will never forget nor forgive.

StevieM

(10,534 posts)
47. James Comey was more important to the outcome of that election than all other factors combined. (eom)
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:12 PM
May 2024

riversedge

(72,719 posts)
58. I had been canvassing for Hillary prior to James Camey informing the Repugs that he was
Fri May 31, 2024, 08:26 AM
May 2024

again pushing the Hillary so called email investigation. As I have mentioned before--there was a remarkable questioning and or giving pause to voting to Hillary the next two weeks. I too put a whole lot of blame onto Comey.

Kid Berwyn

(17,678 posts)
11. NBC aired the turd for on prime time for years.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:27 PM
May 2024

Of course, all of ABCNNBCBSFixedNoiseNutworks gave him all the free air time possible.

lapfog_1

(29,969 posts)
3. so, in compensation...
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:16 PM
May 2024

I would lover $1Trillion to the US treasury,,, but that won't happen... so I propose that the 3 SCOTUS appointments be undone and now given to Biden.

I understand there is no law or constitutional reason... but it would be fair.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
17. The cost to America is incalculable.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:37 PM
May 2024

The legal warfare, stolen documents, damage to national security, treason and insurrection,
rigging an election, cheating on taxes, his rapes and assaults, the list goes on and on.

Trump no doubt stole quite a bit of cash while in office. So did his family.

Then there is the damage his cult followers and politicians cause on a daily basis.

$1 trillion is a just a down payment towards Trump's damages.

TSExile

(3,275 posts)
21. How much better would the covid response have been...
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:48 PM
May 2024

...and how many less deaths under Hillary??? Not only is he a FELON, RAPIST and THIEF, but he is also a MURDERER.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
22. Yes that should be on the list. All of those deaths due to Trump's indifference.
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:01 PM
May 2024

He has also caused CIA agents and assets to be killed. Soon after he took office, there was a mysterious
uptick in CIA asset deaths and disappearances.

Trump stole so many top secrets, highest level of classified documents.
We have to assume it has all be compromised, which is going to put many lives in danger.
Especially the military and intelligence agencies.

The damage to our national security is incomprehensible and we will never know the full extent of it.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #22)

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
54. It was not covid "indifference"-- It was malevolence! Trump wanted blue city voters TO DIE!
Fri May 31, 2024, 01:41 AM
May 2024

In the early days of the pandemic, Trump saw that the overwhelming numbers of Covid deaths were happening in the blue cities in the blue states, and he deliberately dragged his feet on the covid information and response, because he wanted that trend of blue voter deaths to continue, to improve his chances for re-election!

What he did not figure on, was that the pandemic would eventually spread to red and rural areas where his own voters would begin to die in large numbers as well-- and were influenced to do the wrong things by Trump having downplayed or disparaged mask-wearing and other common-sense precautions-- eventually leading to a larger proportion of his own voters dying, than voters in blue cities...

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
55. Yes you are correct. A deliberate plan to let the blue cities die.
Fri May 31, 2024, 05:40 AM
May 2024

Of course yes Trump did not realize his cult followers would be killed too as it spread to the rural areas.

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #17)

walkingman

(8,241 posts)
9. He absolutely cheated Hilliary out of the Presidency.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:22 PM
May 2024

Along with FBI director Comey and now the GOP claims the justice system is being weaponized.

These folks are literally nuts and none of their minions even care. They just love their reality TV star.

TwilightZone

(27,955 posts)
10. No, it's more than that.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:23 PM
May 2024

He committed crimes to win the presidency. "Cheat" simply isn't representative enough of what he did.

Irish_Dem

(55,825 posts)
20. Yes he wakes up every day with the intent to break the law in some way.
Thu May 30, 2024, 08:46 PM
May 2024

He gets off on it. He loves getting something over on others, tricking, manipulating, cheating, lying, stealing.
It is fun and gives him pleasure.

He is outraged that others do not appreciate his "brilliance."

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
23. No because there's zero evidence that these crimes
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:18 PM
May 2024

Changed a single vote. We can celebrate the conviction without speculating about the impact of the crimes. Everyone already knew about the “grab them by the pussy” comment and he still won. These crimes are much less damming in my mind. Think about that—Trump admitted to sexual assault and none of his supporters blinked.

summer_in_TX

(3,121 posts)
49. Maybe no one has connected the dots between these crimes and any votes changing.
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:15 PM
May 2024

But remember, Trump got the Wikileaks dump the afternoon the Access Hollywood tape story broke. That smeared the Dems and likely at least softened any women who were offended and decided to vote for Hilary instead and almost certainly caused some to not vote at all. The coup de grace was James Comey's statement

In Texas, early voting was underway and I was a precinct chair. The turnout was very good – until Comey spoke. There was an immediate drop off in turnout for Clinton.

Any doubt that criminal conspiracy was behind the timing of the Wikileaks dump (or which nation colluded with Trump to make it happen)? What about the likelihood that a criminal conspiracy (Giuliani and his former SDNY pals and other allies within the FBI) created the pressure campaign that led Comey to cave and violate protocol to reveal the new investigation?

When multiple causes are behind a phenomena, scientists say it is "over-determined." This is such a case. The dots haven't been connected on all the criminal activity, but now one piece of the conspiracy is on the public record, adjudicated by a jury of Trump's peers.

jaxexpat

(7,621 posts)
24. Bingo! We were denied a moment when the goodness of humanity was nigh to dominate.....
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:24 PM
May 2024

and, "shazam", as Gomer would say, the opportunity went away, for a few years or, perhaps, never come again. And here we are on the cusp of greatness again.

surfered

(2,615 posts)
25. He cheats at golf.
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:30 PM
May 2024

He cheats at everything, lies about everything, because he has a sociopathic, narcissistic disorder. In plain language, he’s nuts.

moondust

(20,371 posts)
27. And then he appointed
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:35 PM
May 2024

THREE judges to the Supreme Court and many others for life. And he pardoned a number of his convicted fellow gangsters.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,598 posts)
30. We need to give him props for destroying the GOP.
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:50 PM
May 2024

They're willingly going along with his trashing of our judicial system that they once held in high esteem.

Nikki has got to be in a living hell today. She went from saving the Republican party to another self-serving toady virtually overnight.

markodochartaigh

(1,895 posts)
43. In 2015 the
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:57 PM
May 2024

Republicans were going to have a brokered convention to choose another candidate, but they realized that Trump was so wildly popular with the 80% of their base who are authoritarians that they could not win without him. So the Republicans put party before country and chose an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy. They knew what they were doing, several very senior Republicans refused to support Trump which is unheard of.
But for a democracy to be functional there must be at least two viable parties committed to democracy. The US has only one now. Unless and until the corporate Republicans come up with a viable party committed to democracy, democracy will be one election away from failure in the US.

TwilightZone

(27,955 posts)
50. The death of the GOP has been greatly exaggerated.
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:15 PM
May 2024

They cannot be considered dead when they still have roughly half of Congress, many state legislatures and governorships, and a pretty firm hold on the judiciary, including SCOTUS.

I'll consider them dead when they're no longer a competitive political force.

Besides, Trump isn't the cause. He's a symptom. This is what the party is now, and it's been trending this direction for a couple of decades, well before Trump. He just made the rot more overt.

calimary

(83,904 posts)
59. THIS is a VERY worthy post.
Fri May 31, 2024, 10:00 AM
May 2024

Thanks, TwilightZone.

Makes total sense.

It’ll be quite an adventure to watch how things unspool among Republicans through the next days, weeks, and months. We don’t know ANYTHING now, frankly. Seems to me we have to watch and assess over time. Let reality settle in. And THEN watch what they do.

Taraman

(395 posts)
31. Most of main stream media is calling it the "hush money trial"
Thu May 30, 2024, 09:54 PM
May 2024

and that will probably stick. Minimizes how he cheated to win the presidency.

Martin68

(24,417 posts)
34. We all knew that all along. Thanks to Comie and the endless "investigation" of Benghazi and "the emails."
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:15 PM
May 2024

Plus Russian interference and Trump's corrupt schemes to hide his criminal activities.

soldierant

(7,773 posts)
35. More to the point,
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:18 PM
May 2024

he cheated every American out of having the president for whom the majority actually voted.

Warpy

(113,065 posts)
40. Republicans are freaking out because that's been their business as usual
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:49 PM
May 2024

since Nixon lost to Kennedy in 1960. They knew they were owned by the rich and their policies were putrid. They had to cheat.

They're just flipping out because 60 years later, one of them might have to accept some consequences for what they've all done, all the ime, for so long..

Bozvotros

(833 posts)
42. Exactly. He cheated on his pregnant wife with Karen McDougal....
Thu May 30, 2024, 10:52 PM
May 2024

And then cheated on her with Stormy. He's a swine.

Jarqui

(10,421 posts)
46. Something that came out that bothered me - made his crime worse -
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:02 PM
May 2024

was that not only did the National Enquirer catch and kill bad stories about Trump -
they created fictitious stories about his political adversaries during the primary and the general election to smear his adversaries.

It was not just the sex stuff getting buried.

There was a media organization working for his campaign but not being acknowledged in the FEC accounting whose purpose was to publish lies about his adversaries to also deceive the American people.

I do not think the media has rung the bell for that crime enough. You can't just dismiss this as a sex coverup - but sex coverup seems to be the way many Americans understand it. If more Americans understood that smearing part, I doubt as many would be as dismissive of this crime.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,081 posts)
51. Good news is....he'll be forever captured on hi-rez audio/video, Think of what future generations will think of this
Thu May 30, 2024, 11:23 PM
May 2024

"pResident"....

usedtobedemgurl

(1,366 posts)
57. He cheated his way into stacking the SC........
Fri May 31, 2024, 06:59 AM
May 2024

And taking away a lot of rights. He cannot be voted in again.

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