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spanone

(141,524 posts)
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:19 AM Jun 2024

The republican party has gone rogue. They no longer believe in our Justice System...

Last edited Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:59 AM - Edit history (1)

...unless they are the ones meting out justice.

Our Supreme Court has become politicized to the point it won't even talk with Democrats.

What's a Democracy do?

Did our forefathers anticipate such a thing?

All because of one single, solitary man with 34 felony convictions.


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The republican party has gone rogue. They no longer believe in our Justice System... (Original Post) spanone Jun 2024 OP
They gave up pre-FDR. Many supported Nazis and still do. GreenWave Jun 2024 #1
Absolutely Always Blue Jun 2024 #21
Our Founding Fathers never envisioned a time FalloutShelter Jun 2024 #2
For a long time the GOP felt the law was for everyone else, not them. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #3
True Always Blue Jun 2024 #22
Yes Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #42
trump didn't do this alone. The repub party has been headed in this direction for a while... Wounded Bear Jun 2024 #4
Trump broke America dalton99a Jun 2024 #5
This is trDUMPie's modus operandi,.. magicarpet Jun 2024 #6
"Law and order party", my ass. lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #7
Do they teach their children moondust Jun 2024 #8
Our 'forefathers' were winging it. Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #9
Yup. They had good ideas, but they made the thing out of baling wire and chewing gum. Ocelot II Jun 2024 #11
There actually were several republics but mostly Voltaire2 Jun 2024 #35
Yes, if you have only a single governmental entity to organize and manage, Ocelot II Jun 2024 #36
Not likely they dreamed of billionaires with databases and media, either. Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2024 #38
I wish Dwight Eisenhower could come back to life Walleye Jun 2024 #10
First of all they wouldn't let Ike in, and he would switch parties immediately. erronis Jun 2024 #24
"It is up to the Republicans to fix their party" markodochartaigh Jun 2024 #37
The Republican Party has been corrupted over the years. pandr32 Jun 2024 #12
GOP in TX also doesn't beleive in choice in voting, evidently Attilatheblond Jun 2024 #13
They want to control everyone else but yet they have no control on themselves. twodogsbarking Jun 2024 #14
To be fair, I don't believe in our justice system either Buckeyeblue Jun 2024 #15
Plus the fact that no "top lawyers" would work for Chump anymore FakeNoose Jun 2024 #30
by extension they don't believe in America or Americans, since that is our justice system RAB910 Jun 2024 #16
They did that in 2016 malaise Jun 2024 #17
Marjorie Shit For Brains was calling for MAGAs in Congress to remove New York's funding. Initech Jun 2024 #18
New York should then HarryM Jun 2024 #26
heard the notion to expand with recess appointments...🧐 bringthePaine Jun 2024 #19
I'm rogue, too. I no longer believe in non-partisanship of SCOTUS Model35mech Jun 2024 #20
For some justices on SCOTUS, the corruption is as obvious as it is untenable FakeNoose Jun 2024 #32
"I LIKE BEER!!" TSExile Jun 2024 #33
This has been a long time coming and it's not just one man. hay rick Jun 2024 #23
Win at all costs has a new definition SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2024 #25
From 2020 on they became election deniers... Jrose Jun 2024 #27
They are acting like a bunch of children that didn't get their way. GoodRaisin Jun 2024 #28
Absolutely!! TSExile Jun 2024 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2024 #29
If they lack faith, they can resign... Half-step Jun 2024 #31
They think they have a God given right to rule CanonRay Jun 2024 #39
"All because of one single, solitary man" krkaufman Jun 2024 #40
They create chaos and hate as a way of pitting American against American and offering a dictatorial solution. Doodley Jun 2024 #41
Stop the Senate filibuster no more 60 votes to get something done,.. 50 votes is more realistic,... magicarpet Jun 2024 #43
I think the founders anticipated it NanaCat Jun 2024 #44

FalloutShelter

(14,437 posts)
2. Our Founding Fathers never envisioned a time
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jun 2024

in which a man with no honor could capture the soul of an entire political party.

Never forget... this is on them. They have blown past every off-ramp. They continue to stick with him.
They are ALL complicit in whatever happens going forward.

Irish_Dem

(81,119 posts)
3. For a long time the GOP felt the law was for everyone else, not them.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:25 AM
Jun 2024

This is just the logical conclusion.

Irish_Dem

(81,119 posts)
42. Yes
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:53 PM
Jun 2024

GOP men make sure their wives, mistresses, daughters and granddaughters have access to abortions and emergency medical care. They all wear masks and get vaccinated.

Wounded Bear

(64,281 posts)
4. trump didn't do this alone. The repub party has been headed in this direction for a while...
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:26 AM
Jun 2024

Since Nixon, at least.

magicarpet

(18,488 posts)
6. This is trDUMPie's modus operandi,..
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:32 AM
Jun 2024

...trashes out, seeks to decimate and destroy any governmental institution that does not totally yield to his will.

Support Donald trDUMP 100% or he will pour gasoline on and burn your operation to the ground in a blazing inferno of endless and relentless bullshit.

lindysalsagal

(22,903 posts)
7. "Law and order party", my ass.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:39 AM
Jun 2024

That was always their calling card, along with "pro-life." Both of those are gone. Now, they're about controlling women and chaos and corruption.

Ocelot II

(130,420 posts)
11. Yup. They had good ideas, but they made the thing out of baling wire and chewing gum.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:13 PM
Jun 2024

What they put together hadn't been done before, at least as to size and complexity. Iceland's Alþing, founded in 930, created the longest-running parliament in the world, and was about as close to a representative democracy as the US Constitution produced almost 1,000 years later. So the ideas weren't at all new in 1789, but the mechanisms for implementing them were. There were already 13 independent states that were supposed to affiliate into a single umbrella government, and that's where it got really complicated. They anticipated some of the problems, and they were aware that not every potential president or other representative would be honorable or honest, but they didn't anticipate the corruption of major elements of the entire system, or the rising of a cult following of one utterly corrupt individual. The checks and balances were supposed to keep all three branches in line, but when all three branches go rogue, then what? They foresaw the possibility of bad people getting into government, but they didn't foresee bad people turning large segments of the population bad as well.

Close, but no cigar, guys.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
35. There actually were several republics but mostly
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jun 2024

they were city states. The scale was indeed different.

Ocelot II

(130,420 posts)
36. Yes, if you have only a single governmental entity to organize and manage,
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:59 PM
Jun 2024

it's a lot easier to come up with a manageable system to do it. Our federal system is kind of a Rube Goldberg contraption that consistently works well only when most of its managers act in good faith and at least try to follow the Constitution's vague directions.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
38. Not likely they dreamed of billionaires with databases and media, either.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jun 2024

Who then could imagine analysis which could tell you how to manipulate segments of the population? Or that this could be used long-term to take over parts of each branch of government at state and federal levels.

Walleye

(44,699 posts)
10. I wish Dwight Eisenhower could come back to life
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jun 2024

And verbally slap his party around until it gets in shape. It is up to the Republicans to fix their party, the Democrats can’t do it. I am constantly appalled by the way they crank up the phony hate machine against Joe Biden, the kindest man you’ll ever meet.

erronis

(23,778 posts)
24. First of all they wouldn't let Ike in, and he would switch parties immediately.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:10 PM
Jun 2024

Doubt that he would have survived once Nixon took office.

markodochartaigh

(5,521 posts)
37. "It is up to the Republicans to fix their party"
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:01 PM
Jun 2024

I think that you are correct. In order for a democracy to be functional there must be at least two viable parties committed to democracy.

In 2015 the Republicans were going to have a brokered convention to choose another candidate. But they realized that because Trump was so wildly popular with the 80% of their base who are authoritarians, they could not win without him. So they put party before country and chose Trump. They knew what they were doing. A number of corporate Republicans refused to back Trump, even when he was their candidate, something unheard of. They knew that choosing an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy would endanger democracy.

Now the US has only one party committed to democracy. Unless and until the Republicans come up with a viable party committed to democracy, democracy in the US will be one election away from failure.

pandr32

(14,239 posts)
12. The Republican Party has been corrupted over the years.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:23 PM
Jun 2024

Those stories of billionaires with bad intentions meeting on remote islands come to mind. They want a manageable public while they loot the world's resources (including people). They want to control the governments every where they can. They already control much of the media. In the U.S. Christian Nationalism is the plan because it already utilizes American iconography--such as patriotism symbols and notions of "under God". It is easy to convince a simple-minded public that our country was built on Christian, conservative principles.
The Republican Party has now been taken over by Donald Trump. He works with/for the assholes that want to divvy up the world. The Republican Party is being run by him as is no longer a major political party, but a wholly owned subsidiary of Trump.org. and the whole damn family is as corrupt as their patriarch.

Attilatheblond

(8,843 posts)
13. GOP in TX also doesn't beleive in choice in voting, evidently
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:25 PM
Jun 2024

Friend in TX said GOP is threatening GOP voters if they don't vote correctly. Insinuating they can find out how individuals vote. Intimidation is how thugs work.

Buckeyeblue

(6,349 posts)
15. To be fair, I don't believe in our justice system either
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:29 PM
Jun 2024

But for much different reasons. Poor people can't operate within the justice system. They get bad representation. The system takes advantage of their poverty and often times their ignorance of the system.

However, Trump had all the means to get the best attorneys. He just happened to be so guilty that not even a top lawyer could save him.

FakeNoose

(41,496 posts)
30. Plus the fact that no "top lawyers" would work for Chump anymore
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:28 PM
Jun 2024

It was a different story when he was in the White House. But that's all over now, and he's never getting back there again.

RAB910

(4,030 posts)
16. by extension they don't believe in America or Americans, since that is our justice system
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:45 PM
Jun 2024

Initech

(108,674 posts)
18. Marjorie Shit For Brains was calling for MAGAs in Congress to remove New York's funding.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:49 PM
Jun 2024

Yeah that ain't happening. I wish we could just remove her, then nothing of value would be lost.

HarryM

(462 posts)
26. New York should then
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:15 PM
Jun 2024

Remove its funding. Georgia wouldn’t be able to take as much federal funding.

 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
20. I'm rogue, too. I no longer believe in non-partisanship of SCOTUS
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 12:53 PM
Jun 2024

I no longer believe SCOTUS rules only on the US Constitution and Law... It now rules based on prioritization of notions of fundamentalist christianity.

I think 3 justices have sold the way they rule, one of them for a few cheap nights in a patron's bedroom.

I don't believe all 9 justices are sober when they make rulings. I'm pretty sure one is always drunk on beer

FakeNoose

(41,496 posts)
32. For some justices on SCOTUS, the corruption is as obvious as it is untenable
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:34 PM
Jun 2024

How our nation will deal with that remains to be seen. If we have the BLUE WAVE in November that we're hoping for, Biden will get the backing he needs in the Senate and House. Vast changes would be possible, once Chump is defeated once and for all.

hay rick

(9,587 posts)
23. This has been a long time coming and it's not just one man.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:06 PM
Jun 2024

Trump is just a tool for oligarchs and may have outlived his usefulness.

Chai Komanduri summed it up nicely a few nights ago when he summarized the outlook of CEOs and their oligarchic ilk. He said that when it was time to choose they valued "capitalism" over "democracy."

Relevant to that, between Supreme Court appointments, Republican politicians, money in politics, censorship power in media, permissive financial and environmental regulations, etc.- they already have everything they need to maintain power and the ability to loot society. Squabbling and political stalemate preserves a very business-friendly status quo. They don't need to win anything- they just need to not lose badly. They can shake their heads and shrug their shoulders in a display of mock frustration- all the way to the bank.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,411 posts)
25. Win at all costs has a new definition
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:10 PM
Jun 2024

Win at all costs: How the Republican Party put itself above the country and its Constitution.

Jrose

(1,531 posts)
27. From 2020 on they became election deniers...
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:18 PM
Jun 2024

From May, 2024 on they've also become jury deniers.
Mike Johnson is their 'speaker'.

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
34. Absolutely!!
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 01:39 PM
Jun 2024

I liken the way that T**** lost the election to a toddler who didn't get the last cookie. WAAAAAH...

Response to spanone (Original post)

CanonRay

(16,160 posts)
39. They think they have a God given right to rule
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:13 PM
Jun 2024

Notice I didn't say govern. They've not only abandoned our Justice system, they've abandoned the entire structure of our democracy. They will do anything and everything to gain power, and never relinquish it.

krkaufman

(13,961 posts)
40. "All because of one single, solitary man"
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:16 PM
Jun 2024

Trump is just a symptom. (Granted, he’s a gangrenous foot, but still just a symptom of a deeper problem.)

Doodley

(11,880 posts)
41. They create chaos and hate as a way of pitting American against American and offering a dictatorial solution.
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 02:49 PM
Jun 2024

magicarpet

(18,488 posts)
43. Stop the Senate filibuster no more 60 votes to get something done,.. 50 votes is more realistic,...
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jun 2024

... 50 to pass something in the senate. The Fascist ReThug senators are tossing fists full of sand into the gears of government day in and day out.


Number two - enlarge the Supreme Court from 9 to 13. Cancel and dilute the current Fascist majority on the high court.

Fuck Alito.
Fuck Thomas.
Fuck Roberts
And fuck the three other Fascist Theocratic justices who lied to get a life time appointment on the Supreme Court under questionable, fabricated, and fraudulent pretenses.

A soon as Biden's inauguration for his second term January 2025 - these two changes must be made pronto so Biden/Harris can get shit done.
Schumer holds the Senate.
Jeffries takes back the House.
Biden returns to the Oval.

Then show the Fascist ReThugs how to run the government and get shit done for the common folk not just the filthy rich.

Fuck these Khristo-Fascist Theocrats and Hyper-Capitalists who serve only the gluttonous wealthy pigs.

They are decimating the lower and middle classes where the American Dream has morphed into the AmeriKKKan nightmare for far too many, especially the struggling young people trying to build a life, start a family, and live with some semblance of dignity.

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
44. I think the founders anticipated it
Sat Jun 1, 2024, 06:38 PM
Jun 2024

They simply didn't anticipate how it would happen, or by what means, anyway because they were doing something that had few precedents.

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