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MutantAndProud
(855 posts)
dchill
(42,660 posts)Maher is proof.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Trying to give advice about preventing genocide (which is historically well founded when it comes to -literally these same people’s Nazi relatives parents and grandparents who did it the first time-) who is also Jewish.
Eko
(9,993 posts)because they fee fees were hurt and tell law and order to take a hike. Might as well call him Bil Neville Chamberlain.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)In some cases is as good as pulling a trigger. Chamberlain was the wrong guy to face down the Nazis. This is about not giving them a free fake martyr card.
A jury conviction on a low ranking felony is great. Using it to get more info if the intel community doesn’t have it is great. Sentencing inflation for partisan aims is not. It may be hard to rise above, but it is better than fighting fire with fire when that’s what Donald wants.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)WTF does that even mean.
If the sentencing guidelines call for imprisonment, that's what should happen.
But you are, I believe, talking strange words.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)According to New York State law a Class E felony, which, due to concurrent processing in this case is grouped together as one felony for sentencing, does not automatically carry the penalty of jail time if it is related to a non-violent crime.
The other felonies he may be found guilty of is a different question, but this one would cause further agitation without good cause.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)I believe you are punching above your weight.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)The law is a pretty easy read, pull it up if you’d like.
LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)prison time. Not going to appease racists just because they might racist. Continue with the White Supremacist hegemony or thayll get mad?
Fuck Bill Maher. He just doesn't want to gave to defend his buddies when they start rioting.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"The minimum sentence for falsifying business records in the first degree is zero, so Trump could receive probation or conditional discharge, a sentence of no jail or up to four years for each offense."
If he got 1 year for each charge that would not be sentencing inflation at all, it would be a reduction of the max. How about a month for each charge? A week for each? MAGA would still be just as upset. The only thing that they would be happy with was nothing.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)I see what you are saying as a symbolic gesture that does not remove him from the optional debate stage.
The easily inflamed supporters will only see the part about the optional jail time is there were violent elements. The insurrection and willingly taking action or issuing orders to cause intentional harm or death of US civilian citizens and members of the House or Senate or Capitol Police is another question.
Let the ones who are on the edge take the time to absorb the fact that he even -could- face prison time at all have a while to break their bubble as the other charges are pursued.
Eko
(9,993 posts)"The minimum sentence for falsifying business records in the first degree is zero, so Trump could receive probation or conditional discharge, a sentence of no jail or up to four years for each offense."
The minimum (not mandatory) is zero and the maximum is 4 years for each charge. I could care less if it removes him from the debate stage. I dont even care if he just gets probation, if we alter our judicial system because peoples fee fees are hurt then we are indeed taking a dark road.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)By the book it is not required to jail him. It is not required to recommend against it either technically if that is what you are saying. Removing him from the debate stage would, however, likely cause further harm to the system and potentially agitate already aggressive followers who may see it as a political choice to jail him on optional guidelines in order to remove him from the debate stage and election (even though it wouldn’t remove him from the ballot).
But, that is the decision to be made during the sentencing, and they will take that into account I am sure.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)What in the name of all that is right and holy is that supposed to mean?
You think that if he is sentenced to do time, he'll be in prison by debate time?
Do you know about appeals? Do you know that many people are free during appeal?
I don't think you're doing what you hoped to be doing here.
Eko
(9,993 posts)He could be charged and be out on appeal well before the 27th of this month to attend the debate. Or they could let him debate from jail. I don't think him not being able to debate will stir up the MAGA's more than him getting jail time so I don't know why you are stuck on that and I dont think him getting sentenced will stop the debate. I have seen no one claiming this at all, where are you getting this from?
JonAndKatePlusABird
(368 posts)This oh so sacrosanct System that we must worry about whenever Republicans commit crimes? Give me a break
dchill
(42,660 posts)Maybe you don't tell me what to do, think or say. I'm a Democrat.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)And I’ve voted Democrat consistently. Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views.
dchill
(42,660 posts)MutantAndProud
(855 posts)And should not be excluded for not being in lock step.
In some states you don’t even have the option to declare or want to draw attention.
So yeah. Slightly (autocorrect error fixed) different views need to be respected. Otherwise you’re not really respecting what the Democratic movement is supposed to be about. It’s not about one tribe winning and excluding anyone who doesn’t meet every purity test.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I respect or dont respect viewpoints based of the logic and arguments of them. In no way would I ever respect the view of MAGA going to war against their own country because their king cheato was convicted and sentenced.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)The most violent offenders is a different question than nonviolent voters or non-party-affiliates who choose different affiliations and vote differently for a variety of reasons.
You don’t have to respect their choices, but you do have to respect the right to make the choices. Tolerance of rights and the freedom to associate is what the party needs even if it voices rejection of intolerant actions and words or decisions because that is what the founding document was written to protect. Becoming as intolerant as the MAGA movement to mirror their intransigence is not American and will degrade the spirit of the constitution if leadership doesn’t stick to it. It’s a fine line, and mistakes are made, especially these days, but it’s an important one.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I don't have to respect someones views that the Nazis are great but I do have to tolerate them.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Are essentially the same in the language of the constitution, so yes we are essentially saying the same thing. You do not have to be respectful to a Nazi, but our system respects the right of anyone to affiliate freely within the bounds of the law. It’s an archaic way to speak but they never updated it.
Eko
(9,993 posts)MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
“It is beyond debate that freedom to engage in association for the advancement of beliefs and ideas is an inseparable aspect of the ‘liberty’ assured by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which embraces freedom of speech. . . . Of course, it is immaterial whether the beliefs sought to be advanced by association pertain to political, economic, religious or cultural matters, and state action which may have the effect of curtailing the freedom to associate is subject to the closest scrutiny.” (1.) It appears from the Court’s opinions that the right of association is derivative from the First Amendment guarantees of speech, assembly, and petition, (2.) although it has at times been referred to as an independent freedom protected by the First Amendment. (3.)
(1.) Upheld in NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, 460–61 (1958).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/freedom-of-association-overview
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
Eko
(9,993 posts)MutantAndProud
(855 posts)And the constitution respects the court’s correlate interpretations and unenumerated rights. This one is respected in the right to assemble and the right to free speech. It also says the establishment of law respecting a religion is not respected. So we have the right to any religion or religious or political affiliation.
Eko
(9,993 posts)This is addressing congress and the US government, not an individuals right to curtail free speech of which we have that right. You cant come on to my property saying what you want and I have to stand by. I have the right to curtail your free speech on my property.
“It is beyond debate that freedom to engage in association for the advancement of beliefs and ideas is an inseparable aspect of the ‘liberty’ assured by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which embraces freedom of speech. . . . Of course, it is immaterial whether the beliefs sought to be advanced by association pertain to political, economic, religious or cultural matters, and state action which may have the effect of curtailing the freedom to associate is subject to the closest scrutiny.” (1.) It appears from the Court’s opinions that the right of association is derivative from the First Amendment guarantees of speech, assembly, and petition, (2.) although it has at times been referred to as an independent freedom protected by the First Amendment. (3.)
(1.) Upheld in NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, 460–61 (1958).
State action, not individual action. You have no free speech on my property.
Try again.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)You are absolutely within your rights to deny access to your personal property or seek a remedy for noise violations around your property at any time.
The state actions and the court interpretations extend to the individual based on Amendment 14.
“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.“
Which means that within all states citizens enjoy privilege, immunity, life, liberty, and property as defined by the law of Congress and the States unless stripped by due process.
“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.“
Nothing in there about me having to respect peoples views and beside that was not what you were talking about was it?
You said this. "Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views." Nothing about that says we need to respect that they can have these views, you said we have to respect people with different views. Quit trying to change what you said.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)The state laws extend to the individual, look up the equal protection under the law as established within each state and Congress as provided by amendment fourteen.
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
No where does it say I have to respect someones views.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)In my other reply
Eko
(9,993 posts)Cause it doesnt.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Respect as in tolerate like the constitution implies, vs respect as in show admiration for. You do not have to respect (admire) other people’s opinions, you have to respect (tolerate) their right to hold them.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/respect
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/respect
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/respect
Only the last one has anything close to that.
deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment:
respect for a suspect's right to counsel
and going by that I have respect for your right to free speech, that doesnt mean I actually respect what your views are at all on said free speech.
Try again.
Eko
(9,993 posts)You said this. "Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views." Nothing about that says we need to respect that they can have these views, you said we have to respect people with different views. Quit trying to change what you said.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)It was taken for granted because that’s constitutional law and precedent. In America I expect people to become literate enough to understand that it is the law and needs to be followed for a civil society to function.
My words there are not the constitution itself they simply mirror a subset of it. The rest is viewable in the English language dictionary and amendments one and fourteen. There is nothing else to discuss here.
Eko
(9,993 posts)You said this. "Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views." Nothing about that says we need to respect that they can have these views, you said we have to respect people with different views. Quit trying to change what you said.
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Eko
(9,993 posts)I don't respect your views on this at all. Call the FBI. I'm sure they will be knocking at my door tomorrow morning.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)This is a private forum on private property (the physical server) which has its own code of conduct requirements.
Swatting is also illegal so I would never do that based on a basic argument.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I just walked into the street and said it out loud that I dont. Call the FBI.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)By not respecting it *by* -unlawfully- restricting the right you would incur a penalty. You are free to voice the opinion that you disrespect my opinion on any property that allows it.
Eko
(9,993 posts)And nothing will happen to me at all. Me not respecting your views is in no way silencing your right to free speech. This is not russia.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)If you ignore the assembly rules you may be ejected or arrested. That is a distinction. You need to read more carefully.
Eko
(9,993 posts)that could get me arrested also, but what does that have to do with me just walking onto a federal courthouse and saying that I don't respect your views. Nothing. Im not carrying signs, Im not bringing a protest, you should just quit adding things that have nothing to do with what you said.
Once again, you said this. "Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views." Nothing about that says we need to respect that they can have these views, you said we have to respect people with different views. Quit trying to change what you said.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)The other aspects are hard coded into the constitution and additionally confirmed by judicial review, which I respect and assumed you would also take for granted
It does not contradict what I said, which, by the way, was neither literal or imperative (a command). Democrats and people such as yourself arguing these things to death and verbally bashing independents based on a bad interpretation or lack of decorum drive away independents and others who might otherwise want to associate with the party platform because they may, like you here, leap to the conclusion that your/my view and argumentative attitude is broadly accepted by the whole. It is a bad tactical decision and is why I am making my retorts and ending this discussion here.
Eko
(9,993 posts)The Constitution says we have to respect others views, of which you have yet to show. Me arguing that your view on this is just plain wrong is indeed evidence for how bad we are. I should have just sat back and let you say whatever you want (no matter how wrong it is) to further increase respect between all of us. What independent did I bash? I personally don't think I bashed anyone but if I did it would be you. Interesting. I think it is interesting that you were also "bashing" people for wanting Dump to get time and said it would be bad for,,,, checks notes,, the country. You have some interesting viewpoints, once again ones that I don't respect.
Eko
(9,993 posts)Not private property. Call the FBI.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I can say that in front of a judge. Me saying I don't respect your views is not unlawfully silencing anyone. What a horrible argument.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Swatting or physically stopping speech in a lawful area and manner or censoring it via government when it’s protected would be silencing it unlawfully. Direct and indirect action also apply if you called for others to do so unlawfully.
Eko
(9,993 posts)I don't have to respect your views and you just agreed to it!!!!
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)You do not have to respect the contents of my speech or opinions or beliefs.
There is a difference. You are trolling and need further education.
Eko
(9,993 posts)You said this. "Democrats need to learn to fucking respect independents and people with slightly different views." Nothing about that says we need to respect that they can have these views, you said we have to respect people with different views. Quit trying to change what you said.
The whole time you were arguing that the Constitution said I had to respect your views and now you are admitting you were wrong and I'm trolling.
LOL.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)I am not admitting I was wrong. My words are not the constitutions words. Take a hike and self reflect.
Arguably my statement was inflammatory as well, but it shouldn’t be because it’s not controversial, it’s a good tactical position, not trolling.
Eko
(9,993 posts)to make up for a mistake you made. Some of us actually believe in the Constitution and the rule of law and take it seriously.
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Eko
(9,993 posts)dpibel
(3,941 posts)what "illiterate" actually means in English.
There's only one person in this thread who I think is vying for the classification of illiterate.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)And you clearly are not either, so yes that meets the definition of illiteracy. I am muting you both now, good day.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)You've been really fun.
Eko
(9,993 posts)Ive watched more documentaries than most people have seen tv shows or movies combined. I'll spend hours researching a point someone has made on here and even come back and say, "I was wrong and you were right". I'm certainly not the smartest person there is nor am I even the smartest person on here. But illiterate? I was reading books by the time I was 4 because they were teaching my big brother how to read and I didn't want to be left out. My library includes anything from Helmet for my pillow to Myth America to Cows Pigs Wars and Witches to The Norton Manual of Music Notation to Abraham Lincoln selected speeches and writings to all the Wheel of Time Books to Generation Kill. And my senior year History book. I'm illiterate? too funny.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)You are citing the 5th Circuit as the final word on...anything?
Bless your little heart, darlin'.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)It was not a fight I would have picked but it appears legally challengeable
dpibel
(3,941 posts)I mean, it's not just that "It was not a fight I would have picked but it appeals legally challengeable" is not an actually cognizable English language sentence.
It's that you seem not to know about the 5th Circuit or...now I think about it...much of anything you're saying, at least in a technically correct sense.
Carry on though! You are building that all-important post count!
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)I’m not here to build a post count I’m here because I support Democratic policies and leaders, which almost resulted in my death once, so I’m not exactly worried about a keyboard warrior.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)Where are you getting this notion that the Constitution even speaks to respecting a right versus tolerating it?
You either have rights or you don't.
But even when you do have rights, you have them versus the government.
Nothing in the Constitution says I have to respect, tolerate, accept, honor, or do anything else to anyone's ideas.
I can attack them, dismiss them, denigrate them, hate them. Anything I want. The Constitution doesn't care.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Please read the language of the first amendment. It speaks of Congress not respecting the establishment of a religion, and later amendments upheld judicial review and jurisprudence, which led to the interpretation codified in the ruling of the NAACP v Alabama in 1958 clarifying that it is abundantly clear that the people have the right to their private beliefs, opinions, words, and can assemble and associate freely, so long as they do not break other laws or deprive other rights while doing so.
So under certain circumstances you can be very disrespectful if you want. But you may be ejected or fined or charged under certain circumstances.
You have to respect, tolerate, accept, and honor -the right- of others to have their opinions and voice them and associate and gather and speak based on them. You don’t have to respect, tolerate, accepts, or honor the ideas opinions or speech content.
Verbal attacks, denigration, and displays of hate may result in legal ramifications or may be respected under certain conditions. You may hate them at any time. But this is our system, which you may also freely hate.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)"Cuz, see, it says 'respecting'!!!1!1!"
So that means you have to respect!!
Look it up. There may be more ways to read "respecting" than you seem to be aware of.
I do, however, respect performance art, and this is pretty good, by local standards.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(368 posts)It’s like watching ChatGPT get into an argument
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(957 posts)Central & Slavic European & Ashkenhazi Jewish Blood flowing in my veins. The "Race War" trope has been around for as long as the African part of my family has been here. A Race war was going to happen due to Obama being elected, to jim crow being dismantled, to people of color being able to actually vote, ad nauseum. This is a means of frightening people, (usually white people) into fighting against treating other human beings with decency-living and letting live.
I call BULLSHIT on this nonsense. POC, especially NA & African Americans know STRAIGHT UP what it means to be in this space. We were enslaved to do the work of LAZY folks who wanted the wealth WITHOUT doing the work themselves, were sold like livestock, were LITERALLY murdered, (AKA LYNCHED) for any number of reasons as well as killed via biowarfare, (ever heard of the Variola infected blankets given to the NA? How about killing the buffalo to starve the NA of the main sources of protein? I got more, if you need me to give you more)... I could go on further but I hope you understand what I'm talking about.
POC will NOT back down due to threat of a "racewar or genocide" because nothing worthwhile has ever been won by bowing and scraping.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)I am not AA but I personally was unlawfully held captive and forced to labor, so I know what I’m talking about as well.
I also know the beliefs of the person who did that and how they plan to agitate and use pushback as justification for further agitation.
So it’s simply not tactically smart in this specific case to sentence him to prison in a non-violent case which might be cause for agitation. The violent case of the insurrection resulted in an acquittal.
Shipwack
(3,063 posts)MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Thursday, November 10, 1898, Wilmington, North Carolina. The duly elected government was overthrown by violent white supremacists using weapons and tactics of war.
Technically the Civil War was also a war about race.
Shipwack
(3,063 posts)MutantAndProud
(855 posts)Human history is full of examples of civil wars and bloody massacres that are incited by certain, in some cases preventable, actions
marble falls
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captain queeg
(11,780 posts)
erronis
(23,872 posts)
chowder66
(12,240 posts)On edit: I watched the clip and posted it down thread. It's a little more nuanced than implied.
SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)
rockbluff botanist
(360 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)
NutmegYankee
(16,478 posts)
DBoon
(24,982 posts)They have a very narrow but conveniently flexible standard of whiteness
Sometimes Italian immigrants are "black". Sometimes wealthy Japanese businessmen are "white"
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 1, 2024, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)
or her brother and sister.
BTW: The poster above was responding to Maher saying the judge is Columbian in one of his jokes (mocking trump). I think poster erroneously believes Hispanics are not “white” looking (that is not uncommon).
If one didn’t understand background, I can see how this sub-thread got twisted.
bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)
Blue Owl
(59,095 posts)The sentence should match the crime, period. No special treatment. Follow the letter of the law.
MutantAndProud
(855 posts)That is something every judge is supposed to be taught
Eko
(9,993 posts)The road could lead two ways, we appease them and they decide to do it again only much worse, we follow the law and they decide to act like its 1776. We have to do the right thing, if they want to do the wrong thing because of that then that is on them 100%.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)he and the two other guests agree jail time is more appropriate for Jan 6th and Georgia charges. Tend to agree with latter part.
ProfessorGAC
(76,695 posts)And he specifically said, as described in the snip, that fear of lunatics isn't necessarily a reason to not do it.
I completely disagree with the tenor of the piece.
It was absolutely not a defense of TFG in any way, shape or form.
More a call for vigilance because of the psychosis of the other side.
skylucy
(4,024 posts)making fun of Trump in his monologue. He also took issue with one of his guests saying that they were not supportive of either presidential candidate. I rarely jump into controversial issues on DU, but I don't really understand the Maher hatred. I don't agree with everything Maher says, but he is definitely not Pro Trump and he has said that people need to vote for Biden and not waste their vote on any third party candidate.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Actually, it sounds like what Trump does... giving instructions without explicitly telling someone what to do. Planting the idea in the "minds" of others and making them believe it's essentially a certainty that such a thing is going to happen.
As in: "Be there. Will be wild."
ProfessorGAC
(76,695 posts)I watched the show. I disagree with the Daily Beast author's takeaway.
I didn't hear what's being portrayed here.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)I still can't stand him. 
Bucky
(55,334 posts)I'd like to see Trump get sentenced to community service, maybe at a soup kitchen or streetside cleanup... and then a mandatory weekly check-in with his PO where he has to pass a drug piss test.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)hours and hours?
Maru Kitteh
(31,759 posts)I just don't think we don't want him making a mockery of assistance to those in need by turning a community pantry into a maga campaign stop. "Under TRUMP there wouldn't even BE a pantry because nobody would need it you would all be doing so well and the only people who refused to work would be here and you know we would handle that a different way I can tell you that and only people who would refuse to work and ILLEGALS invading from across our border into our COUNTRY, they would be here and I can tell you that will stop on DAY ONE."
I favor making him take a basic civics and election law course with a proctored exam at the end to release himself from a suspended sentence. I haven't heard it brought up anywhere so perhaps it's not even possible, but I'm hoping for something relevant and creative in the end.
Johonny
(26,176 posts)
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)They should expect consequences
claudette
(5,455 posts)cares what Bill Maher says? Not me.
Faux pas
(16,356 posts)billy boy. 
Conjuay
(3,067 posts)It's about time for you to get a real job.
Doodley
(11,912 posts)
wnylib
(26,008 posts)neo Nazis, Klan members, and several White power groups.
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)think or feel about anything. Stop it
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)many of them our.
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)but, from what I hear about him, I've begun to wonder if he doesn't have a few brain worms.
chowder66
(12,240 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)
Celerity
(54,405 posts)
brush
(61,033 posts)Such an idiot. Magats will be pissed at everyone but other magats.
Deuxcents
(26,913 posts)
SocialDemocrat61
(7,645 posts)the star of Cannibal women in the avocado jungle of death
B.See
(8,494 posts)For one, I kind of resent it because it smacks too much of "they'd better get their way or else."
And two, I'm p-oed that we as a nation, have even come to a place in time, in our nation's history, where fear of the radically disturbed, the domestic terrorist, and of the disgruntled, violently inclined, seems to rule the day, as if those elements aren't the ones who should exercise CAUTION.
And I think the reason WHY we've come to this is because of a few too many one-arm-tied, knife to a gunfight, both-sider types -with their false equivalencies, defense of the indefensible, and their 'going high' rationalizations that only seem (IMO) to embolden the fascists, the supremacists, and the anarchists even further.
Newsflash, Bill. We are ideologically and politically already at war with them. And their aims are to end democracy, install a dictator, and rewrite the fabric, the very MEANING of America. Any questions?
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)
doc03
(39,086 posts)hatrack
(64,885 posts)flying_wahini
(8,275 posts)He’s a racist, misogynistic asshole. Can’t stand the guy.
Rebl2
(17,738 posts)Maher. You are a nobody.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Bill Maher is worthless. He thinks it gets him more attention to be an iconoclast. He donated 1 million dollars to obama and has been backpedaling to appear an iconclast ever since.
Baitball Blogger
(52,344 posts)What is this world coming to?
Pinback
(13,600 posts)
calimary
(90,017 posts)I hope with the greatest enthusiasm to see Orangeman go to jail. Even if it’s only for a short while. What better or more crystal clear way to prove that ABSOLUTELY NO MAN is above the law.
Not even YOU, donald.
TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY, and ESPECIALLY not even you.
patphil
(9,066 posts)Build Trump a house on Camp David. A nice 4 bedroom ranch surrounded by chain link fence and barbed wire, so he knows he is confined.
Let him out to play golf on the grounds.
Let him have access to TV and internet, but require that all his posts be approved by the base Commandant.
H2O Man
(79,048 posts)100 Yard Dash to the 34 mile my son races in will result in wins for us.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)But, you got the headline, so I guess it's a win, right?
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(954 posts)...have been in this country after building it for free. We are still at the bottom of the racial wealth gap. For us, there has always been a race war.
Dan
(5,179 posts)I am curious, where does it end? By definition then Trump (and more like him) are no longer subject to the law. We have become a shithole nation.
And further, are we then at the point where any popular white person can not be judged or charged? That’s the GOP wet-dream.
And at some point there will be hell to pay - if this becomes or is perceived as normal, a separate set of laws, one for rich/white/males and another set for the rest of us.
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)TAKE DOWN THEIR FLAGS, SIGNS, AND GARB. First time in almost 8 years! Nothing, but an American flag!
It was a wow moment for my husband and I.
Lock him up, his supporters know 12 people his lawyers agreed to, saw the evidence and said guilty ON ALL COUNTS! GUILTY×34.
NOBODY CARES! HE OUT WITH THE TRASH.
The RepubliCons are worried about their own jobs, hopefully we get a Super Majority and get rid of all these traitors.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)Biden won 2020 but racists and dumbasses don't want it to count because whites overwhelmingly voted for trump. They didn't give two shits about the optics of denying a legitimate election, so fuck them.
The way to finally kill the maga movement is NOT by cowering in fear.
Fuck bill maher also. Either long covid or too much (tainted?) weed has made him completely unwatchable.
Hope22
(4,745 posts)Let the court do its business. You stick to the propaganda!
Metaphorical
(2,634 posts)I personally think that Trump getting prison time for the fraud charges is probably not only unrealistic, but unnecessary. Trump is now a convicted felon. This means that if he is found guilty of any other charges, he is found guilty as a felon. Sentencing guidelines become far stiffer for recividism, and he WILL commit crimes again.