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RandySF
(84,290 posts)Anyone notice how they don’t disrupt conservative events?
Dorian Gray
(13,850 posts)and makes them beyond frustrating.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)They are nowhere to be seen opposing MAGA or Trump or any of that aching boil on the butt of the US.
Why is that, I wonder through gritted teeth.
B.See
(8,503 posts)
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)Why they don’t, I’m sure.
Honestly it make sense for people who support a homophobic organization to protest a pride parade. It doesn’t make sense why supporters of a pride parade would also support homophobes.
AnrothElf
(923 posts)I think I must have them all ignored, by now.
Takket
(23,715 posts)are they going to protest any nikki haley events after she signed the bomb "finish them off" (or something to that effect) in Israel?
AnrothElf
(923 posts)
wnylib
(26,014 posts)
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)
ronnykmarshall
(35,357 posts)Ya think they might be Trump/Putin plants?
Cha
(319,076 posts)
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Behind the scenes organizing and funding, yes. Provide brand new manufactured propaganda signs about capitalism and genocide to protesters give them slogans to chant, tell them not to speak to the press because that's embarrassing.
B.See
(8,503 posts)And if they aren't they serve the same purpose, REGARDLESS.
I'm done with em.
gay texan
(3,218 posts)B.See
(8,503 posts)they're in more places than we suspect.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 2, 2024, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I don’t support the pro-Hamas demonstration that interfered with the pride parade.
sakabatou
(46,148 posts)Do the protestors NOT see they're being used as propaganda material?
AnrothElf
(923 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)The leaders of the pack doubtless know better.
Nice precis in Wiki, here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
Mountainguy
(2,145 posts)How does anyone think a Pride Parade would be treated in Gaza?
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)
Nixie
(17,984 posts)champion women's rights. Not a peep about the women brutally raped and murdered. Hillary Clinton wrote a great article about the silence from women's groups about that.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,718 posts)
Initech
(108,783 posts)Start blocking them, reporting them, and move on. The best way to stop trolls is to not feed them in the first place. And that's what the pro-Palestine people are doing, just as what MAGA is doing. It's all about getting attention and likes. The cause is how they get that attention. So don't give them what they want. 
Cha
(319,076 posts)is the Typical Hamas Fan on Display. 
The woman with the deadly message on the phone is a stupid POS. I can't see what thie picture is?
Mahalo, lapucelll for shining the Light cockroaches. 
Nixie
(17,984 posts)You first, buddy. They are welcome to get themselves over to Gaza. The sooner, the better.
WOW, the stupidity is so sad to see.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* and in various political discussion forums.
DavidDvorkin
(20,589 posts)Takket
(23,715 posts)Because they are doing the worst job you could possibly imagine if you wanted to help convince people to pressure the government to stop funding Israel.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Maybe that’s the direction these sick hateful people are headed.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The only country in the Middle East that allows women and LGBTQ to have rights is Israel. The rest of the nations in that region are on a deadly continuum from "withhold rights" to "kill them all."
People in the U.S. who support these protests are naive and misinformed or... something else.
chowder66
(12,245 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts) 
chowder66
(12,245 posts)I'm all for peaceful protests but the groups they are targeting are telling me a whole lot about them. They are marginalizing themselves by their choices.
Cha
(319,076 posts)B.See
(8,503 posts)a ceasefire. For an end to the killing. For a return of those in captivity. For a lasting brokered peace.
But the people these "protesters" are targeting to the exclusion of others... It just doesn't add up.
Talk about letting the cat out of the bag.
Nixie
(17,984 posts)Who TF protests cancer patients?! Why on earth attack a gay pride parade? It's so sick.
chowder66
(12,245 posts)Nixie
(17,984 posts)"Pro-Palestinian protesters targeted a New York City cancer hospital and those receiving treatment inside, claiming the renowned medical facility was "complicit with genocide" in Gaza."
Cha
(319,076 posts)‘Make sure they hear you’: Hundreds march outside Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center during protest led by Within Our Lifetime, which endorsed the October 7 massacres
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-hamas-group-targets-nyc-cancer-center-accusing-it-of-genocide/
Mahalo, Nixie
yardwork
(69,364 posts)
msongs
(73,754 posts)AnrothElf
(923 posts)They'd just kill them all.
Yeah... they're THAT kinda Muslim, in case there are any lurking Hamas sympathizers.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)Zionist occupation, and all systems and entities which enable and normalize genocide. Or else we'll scream at you. Oh, and NO BAGELS.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)I am so fucking sick of people fucking with the gay community and still claiming to be "liberal/progressive". You don't attack another minority group that has NOTHING to do with what is happening somewhere else. I am beyond disgusted by these self-rightous, deluded fucks.
Deep State Witch
(12,717 posts)Would probably be stoned, shot, or thrown off of a building - if any buildings are left standing.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)with them rationally. Was not possible. The ones I spoke with are extreme far left revolutionaries.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)making people step on likenesses of Jesus or a crucifix to prove they weren't Christians, sort of a reverse Spanish Inquisition.
These revolutionaries should make everyone step on images of capitalism, America, the West, democracy, liberalism, the Democratic Party, rights for women and LGBTQ+ or anyone who isn't a religious fundamentalist terrorist man, history, common sense, reality, facts, to pass the purity test.
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)They believe that North Korea is the greatest country on earth, Russia is a socialist Eden, and a bunch of other things not supported by facts.
They are very haze on details but they're fervently "working" on a revolution that will dismantle capitalism and imperialism and we'll all live in peace. They bicker a lot among themselves so the peaceful part seems unlikely.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)Very misinformed and naive. I did not get as far as North Korea in discussions with them. i do know that the particular group that I was talking to does not support Russia. They are behind Ukraine completely.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The ones I know are very suspicious of Ukraine and feel that Russia is maligned by the evil corporatist west. They've been like this for decades.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)It's the kind of church that RWers would call "woke." They support Ukraine because one of their members had prior experience in Ukraine and was organizing aid shipments there.
They have churches in Palestine and in South Africa, so they buy into the Palestinian view that compares South African apartheid with Israel and Palestine, although they are separate circumstances with a separate history. They view Israelis as colonizers and Palestinians as indigenous people whose land was stolen by colonialists.
Their view is that a two state solution should be temporary, only to establish peace for now. In the end, they believe that Israeli statehood should be dissolved and replaced with one nation of Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews living in harmony with Palestinian Christians, who are a definite minority in the region. That would make Palestinian Muslims the dominant majority in the one nation, so harmony is questionable considering that the "woke" church embraces full gender and sexual orientation equality.
The church called for immediate ceasefire as soon as the Israel-Hamas war started, which would leave Hamas intact in Palestine (and in a future one state). They push for divestment from Israeli businesses. They gloss over the 10/7 attacks and refuse to address the rapes. They would not allow it to be brought up in the discussion, despite claiming support of full gender equality and rights.
One very vocal member of the group said that Israel was destroying a duly elected government (Hamas) in Palestine, which was a war crime. He refused to acknowledge Hamas as a terrorist organization. I reminded him that Hitler was also elected.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)And they're in denial that the Palestinian Christians would be next.
Talk about useful fools....
wnylib
(26,014 posts)I was surprised to find that attitude on the left. It was old fashioned anti-Semitism in the guise of modern liberalism. And they could not see it. A case of people going so far to the left that they end up on the right.
I was not a member of the church. I had participated in a few community projects that they sponsored, was on their e-mail list, and had gone to a few services there. But, since the meeting that I was at a few months ago, I have distanced myself from them and unsubscribed from the e-mails.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)In Israel, today, it's a "nation of Palestinian Muslims and Israeli Jews living in harmony with Palestinian Christians, "
That's what Israel was created to be, and all the Palestinian Muslims who agreed to "live in peace with Jews and Christians" live in Israel today.
Richard D
(10,018 posts). . . that is only the beginning of their plan.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)…stopped off in China on his way to Russia, and ended up in Moscow? I’m sure the Chinese were gentlemen about not sucking all the info out of his laptop, even tho they are so good at it that some companies that send employees to China issue them new equipment for the trip.
Last I heard, Snowdon was trying to come home — but he wanted to be pardoned by Uncle Sam, LOL. Maybe Tucker Carlson should have taken him out for a drink while he was in Moscow waxing poetic over their grocery store.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)B.See
(8,503 posts)colonialism, empire... " wtf?? Want who to denounce it? Whaa?
I smell bullshit.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Nutty.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)Can't wait to wear...
Cha
(319,076 posts)Are you in Oklahoma?
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)I go to the Tulsa pride every year and our town's pride festival. The second year I went to pride in our town, the vendor selling all kinds of LGBT stuff, a representative of the Tulsa main organization, had stickers of various religions in the rainbow color. I asked where the Star of David was, and he said, "we didn't bring any because some see it as problematic". He didn't understand why, but someone else with the group, who overheard my conversation, came up to me later and said they (the vendors in Tulsa) had been threatened with protest because that symbol (EXACTLY like the one on the t-shirt I posted, and have, and wear, even when it is not pride) is associated with "occupation and oppression". She was not happy. Turns out, she too was Jewish.
This was in 2019.
Check out "We're Here", season 4, on HBO Max, especially the last three episodes. It is all about Tulsa and eastern OK. You will get a taste of what we, people like me and my husband, face here.
Cha
(319,076 posts)a feeling of what you might be going through there. And I'm so sorry that there are such hateful bigots in the world.
I walked by the Kauai Beer Company on June 1 and they had Rainbow Streamers and Flags flowing on their sidewalk cafe in the front. I was thinking how wonderful it was that they were taking a stand for Gay Pride in spite of all the visitors we get of all stripes from the Mainland.
You're a brave strong person to wear your Star of David Pride shirt where you live.. glad you were able to get that beautiful shirt!
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Palm Springs, CA
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Pride will go on, get over yourselves and go clutch your pearls in your online echo chambers losers.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)
Maru Kitteh
(31,761 posts)protestors' alignment with and fealty to Hamas.
PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)Several months ago, I wrote about my own experience with a family member whom I felt I had lost to what feels like a cult of Palestine. This family member is college educated, gay, liberal and vehemently opposed to Trump. Prior to 10/7, we never disagreed about anything in the realm of politics. In the hours after 10/7 though, this person immediately blamed Netanyahu, Israel and the Jewish people for what happened. I was appalled. I was seeing a side of this family member that I'd never seen before. Now, this same person says that they "will never forget or forgive Biden's unwillingness to side with Palestine and would rather not vote than vote for Biden." This isn't a provocateur. This isn't a Rethuglican posing as a Democrat. I feel bad reading this person's completely misguided texts, blasted out to various family members on a near daily basis. None of us have been willing to respond for fear of driving away this family member. It's just become this uncomfortable situation where we all are just not responding to these texts. So, from personal experience, I can definitely say that this schism within the Party is not the product of some GOP dirty trick.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Anti-Democratic propaganda cult playing on emotions and disinformation targeting certain people susceptible to it. By 2014 I'd lost friends who'd been liberals but went over to the dark side of anti-America anti-West pro-Russia something about capitalism. I never thought it would reach pro-religious fundamentalist terrorist support levels, yet here we are.
Writer Steve Almond writes about a young progressive man who'd impressed him with his knowledge of economic injustice, but then changed.
"Jon professed disgust for Trump. But his Facebook page was filled with links to articles vilifying Clinton. ... Taken together, Jon's posts composed a kind of ideologically incoherent gumbo in which the main ingredients were disinformation, distrust of authority in general, and Clinton in particular -- the same stew Trump dished out at his rallies daily.
"I recognized Jon's rhetorical posture from my own years as a Ralph Nader crusader. He wanted to vote for someone he believed in, not the lesser of two evils. But his logic was that of a fatalist: the system was broken beyond repair, policies were empty promises ... which breeds apathy and depressed turnout. 'A vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump,' Jon wrote a few weeks before the election, which is how you know he isn't a person of color, or a Muslim, or an immigrant. ... Over the course of single campaign, his immersion in internet culture had transformed him from an American idealist into a Russian bot."
wnylib
(26,014 posts)That includes Anglicans (Episcopal), the liberal branch of Presbyterians, and liberal Lutherans. I've been at meetings in one of those churches where they went on about apartheid, genocide, comparisons between Palestine and South Africa, and the divestment movement.
Those churches are aligned with a group called Sabeel. Sabeel was founded by a Palestinian Anglican priest. Its long range goal is two separate states temporarily for peace, followed by the dissolution of Israel to form one nation.
LeftInTX
(34,295 posts)He said that he couldn't support Biden, therefore would no longer be active in the party.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)any anti-Semitic, far left extremist church. And I'm definitely not going to be involved in any way with a RW Evangelical one.
The clergy of one of those churches led a local pro Palestinian protest march.
Reminds me of the song line, "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right."
DFW
(60,186 posts)2:22-2:49
wnylib
(26,014 posts)were typical of RW Evangelicals with the kinds of demands that they were making, like school prayer. The churches that I was posting about are theologically and socially liberal ones that embrace full equality for women, LGBTQ+ people, migrants and asylum seekers, and people of all ethnic and racial heritages - except Israelis, as I recently learned and witnessed first hand. They consider themselves "woke" and proud of it. They are generally not literalists on the Bible
But they strongly support Palestinians over Israel because they have churches in Palestine. They promote the idea of "one nation for three religions" which means the eventual dissolution of Israel in order to establish the one nation. They envision a Utopia where Jews, Muslims, and Christians live side by side under one government. But, of course, that would hardly be a peaceful Utopia if the churches maintain their support for gender equality and LGBTQ rights. I can't imagine Palestinian Muslims, backed by Iran, accepting such views.
DFW
(60,186 posts)I agree that the Muslims of the Middle East are hardly the ones to boast of tolerance and acceptance. It didn't use to be that bad, but it's nothing some conveniently pushed animosity won't cure. I have met Muslims from the Philippines and Indonesia, and they are nothing like that. Fifty years ago, my brother and I stayed with a Balkan Muslim family in Dubrovnik, and their daughters were getting dolled up and going out to discos just like the rest of the locals, and with their family's blessing. They made no more of their Muslim ancestry than someone in the States saying they were Irish-Italian. I can only wonder how they fared in the Balkan conflict twenty-plus years later, or if they were still welcome in Croatia, which they always considered home. They used to chide me for preferring to listen to Croatian tambouritsa folk music, thinking I was crazy when such "wonderful" music as David Bowie was out there (I never liked David Bowie). I rhetorically asked "zašto (ZA-shtaw=why)?" and they would smile sweetly and just answer, "zato(ZA-taw=because)!"
wnylib
(26,014 posts)differences between Christian sects, Jewish sects, and in most other religions.
For several years before he retired, my allergist was an Egyptian Muslim doctor. When I was in college after my divorce and money was tight, he gave me several free samples of medicine and encouraged me to finish my degree. Hardly someone who would hold women back for religious reasons, but I know RW Christians who would.
Way back in my early 20s, I worked part time for a Muslim couple from India who had a home business on the side in addition to their professional careers. I did paperwork for them. The wife continued to wear a sari and her husband joked with her about not adjusting to wearing
"western" clothing like other women. At Christmas, she made some special snacks to share with me as a celebration because, as she said, Jesus is an important prophet in Islam, although not celebrated as a deity like with Christians.
I could mention other Muslims that I have known who do not fit a stereotype of fanatical or terrorist. But Palestinian Muslims, strongly influenced by Iran and other nations, are not known for being tolerant people.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)And we are definitely woke.
Edited to add. We haven't taken a side in this war, which I believe is the rational thing to do. There is plenty of bad and plenty of reasons for anger on both sides.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)the I/P issues, but the one in my community definitely is. One of the priests there led a local pro Palestinian march to push for divestment from Israeli businesses and immediate ceasefire in Gaza. That same priest compares South African apartheid to Israel, refers to Israelis as outsider colonialists who lack legitimate ties to the region, and refers to Palestinians as the true indigenous people of the area. I heard the priest give a sermon comparing the suffering of Palestinians at the hands of Jews to Jesus' suffering at the hands of Jews and urging people today to have more courage than Pilate did in standing up to Jewish killers.
I am not a member of the church, but I've been involved in some of their community outreach programs and attended a few services there, as well as a fund-raising meeting for the Jerusalem Diocese. That meeting was open to anyone but was attended mostly by a group of regular members. It included a biased film produced by Al Jazeera that falsely claimed that Palestinians had never been given the opportunity to have their own nation state. One very outspoken person at the meeting complained about Israel's fight against Hamas because Hamas was the duly elected government in Gaza. Therefore Israel's fight against Hamas was illegal and security measures on the Gaza border were discriminatory. Never mind that 10/7 had just proven the need for border security as well as past terrorist attacks inside Israel from Palestinians crossing the border during intifadas.
I was surprised, to say the least, to hear those views at that church because it was contrary to my previous (pre 10/7) impression of the church. So I looked up websites for the national church body. I found there some condemnations of the 10/7 attacks and announcements of taking donations for Israeli victims as well as for Palestinian victims of the Hamas-Israel war. No bias there like in the local church in my community.
But, I also learned in my online search about the Sabeel organization founded by a Palestinian Anglican priest, Naim Ateek. Sabeel is Arabic for "The Way." Ateek has stated that Israel does not have the right to a nation state in the region. His view is that they needed a place to go during the Holocaust, but he denies their centuries (millennia) long connection to the land. He advocates for a temporary two state solution for peace now, but a long term single state requiring the dissolution of Israel as a nation state. Rev. Ateek also called for Anglican clergy to use the kind of Biblical comparisons between Jesus and "the Jews" to modern Israel and Palestinians that I heard in the local sermon.
The PCUSA (liberal Presbyterians) is closely partnered with Sabeel and has been criticized by the ADL (Jewish Anti Defamation League) for its anti-Semitic statements immediately after the 10/7 attacks as well as for past actions like meetings with Hezbollah. The ADL has issued statements about some Anglican views in alignment with Sabeel, but commended them for not being as extreme as the PCUSA. The ELCA (liberal Lutherans) take a more neutral position on the I/P issues, but they do list Sabeel as one organization that they affiliate with.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)And how many are like the one you are talking about. I get emails from the national church about social issues, and none have been about Israel.
wnylib
(26,014 posts)since you're a member and I'm not. I'll see what I can find. My hunch is that variations among Episcopal congregations depend on local clergy leadership and parishioners.
The full name of Sabeel is Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology. Sabeel's official statement is that they promote spirituality based on love, peace, non-violence, and reconciliation. Specifically, they focus on "liberation" of Palestine. The problem is that their message is mixed, so how it is followed at local levels depends on which part of its message local groups follow and what actions they take.
On the one hand, the official message is peace and love, but on the other hand, Ateek and some of his followers use anti-Semitic rhetoric in their criticisms of Israel. People choose which message they will follow.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Reading about the history of Sabeel and its connection to mainline Protestant churches, I'm reflecting....
1. Most Christian churches are involved to one degree or another in mission work. It sounds like Sabeel is another example of churches picking up causes that promote evangelizing about Christianity in various parts of the world. Their goal is always to convert more people to Christianity.
2. Antisemitism runs through American culture like a thread that is woven into the fabric of our society. Christian churches may consider themselves progressive but ultimately they are Christian and there's a deep history of Christians oppressing Jews. Nothing new.
3. It seems like all this has been flying under the radar but since October 2023 it's blasted into public consciousness. In my experience, mainline Protestant churches are risk-averse and don't like bad publicity. I expect the Sabeel movement may have hit its peak.
LeftInTX
(34,295 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2024, 12:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Palestinian Christians have been around for almost 2,000 years.
The Anglicans set up missions in the ME in the 19th Century. I think most of their missions focused on converting other Christians to Anglican.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naim_Ateek
Although Ateek is Episcopal, the Kairos document is ecumenical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kairos_Palestine
https://www.kairosresponse.org/
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine is the oldest terrorist group and was founded by a Greek Orthodox Christian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine
Father of Arab nationalist was a Christian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Zureiq
Even good ole' Sirhan Srihan was a Christian and he said he killed Bobby Kennedy as retribution for the six day war.
The Christian population has been declining in the ME. A huge migration occured to the US and Latin America in the early 20th century. Christians were allowed to become US citizens via a 1909 court case that determined "Christians from the land of Jesus" were eligible for citizenship were given the designation as "white". Back then only "whites" were eligible for citizenship. High caste Hindus were also designated as "white".
Anyway, they are as old as the hills and have been around longer than Muslims.
The US churches who support Palestinians are liberal churches.
General Conference approved a resolution calling on United Methodist institutions not to invest in the government bonds of Israel, Turkey and Morocco, given that those nations have engaged in long-term military occupations.
https://www.umnews.org/en/news/resolution-opposes-investment-in-israeli-bonds
Generally Palestinian Christians are no longer engaged in terrorism but I guess international church initiatives may be their vehicle to deal with Israel.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Christian churches have an interest in supporting the Christian Palestinian population. To me, that falls under "evangelizing" but I concede your point that it's more about supporting than converting. It's certainly about "increasing the power and strength of Christian Palestinians" which, logically, means decreasing the power of Israel.
In any case, Hamas and the rest of the Muslim terrorist organizations will go after the Christians there as soon as they wipe out all the Jews, if they're allowed to. These churches are playing a dangerous game. I continue to be astonished at the naïveté of people. Do they ever actually listen to what Hamas is saying?
wnylib
(26,014 posts)I had not heard of Sabeel, either, but they've been around since the late 1980s. Their full name is Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center. They are one of the driving forces behind the divestment movement.
They say that their purpose is to promote peace, non-violence, ecumenical cooperation (among Christians), and liberation. That part of their mission statement would appeal to many Christian churches.
But Rev. Ateek has written a book that expresses his views on Palestinian liberation. The book has been criticized for advocating one nation as the ultimate goal, which would mean the dissolution of Israel as a nation. IMO. It's just another way of saying, "From the river to the sea." A few organizations and churches have distanced themselves from Sabeel because of anti-Semitic views expressed by Sabeel members.
They have affiliates all over North America and several in Europe.
The willingness of other Christian denominations to support Sabeel does, IMO, reflect Christian expansion and conversion goals. But, I think that they are naive if they believe that a one nation, dominated by a majority Muslim population, would give them an opportunity to expand in the region.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)It is illegal to practice any religion except the government-enforced version of Islam in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, etc.
I am sure there are millions of enlightened, tolerant Muslims in the world. They choose to live in nations that mandate religious tolerance. That's why they live in the U.S. and Europe.
Israel - for all its faults - is the only nation in the Middle East with religious tolerance, women's rights, and gay rights. There are plenty of Israeli citizens who are Muslim and Christian. This tolerant state already exists - in Israel. Wiping Israel off the map will not usher in a golden age of religious tolerance in the Middle East.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)They are NOT "liberals." They are religious conservatives who advocate for misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, and above all Antisemitism.
I am NOT saying all "pro-Palestine" protestors are hard-core Islamists. That is not true. But the hard-core Islamists are fully integrated with the "pro-Palestine" movement, who are largely silent in their criticism of them. Even here. That is pellucidly clear.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The propaganda definitely is a dirty trick designed to do what it's doing. These folks - and I know several myself - didn't wake up one day and suddenly become preoccupied with Palestine while remaining blissfully ignorant of the rest of the globe. They were guided to those beliefs.
DFW
(60,186 posts)Michel Sardou made sarcastic fun of some people's obsessions by just listing them in a song--there were plenty!
L'américano-anglo manie, etc etc.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)I guess the LGBTQ community is now also responsible for Gaza 
orange jar
(878 posts)Therefore, if you're advocating for any cause other than Palestine, you're siding with the evil Zionists and you are now an enemy who should be crushed.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)orange jar
(878 posts)And progressives are supposed to align ourselves with people like this? Nah. I support innocent Palestinians, but not these weirdo, anger issues-riddled, wannabe authoritarian protestors. Most people who are neutral/disengaged from the Israel/Palestine discourse are going to be scared of these people instead of sympathetic. Maybe these protestors want that, but how is scaring people supposed to positively raise awareness for Palestine? Don't bother asking them, they'll give you crickets.
This might get me in trouble, but I suspect that some of these protestors who are unable to function like rational adults are so used to crusading against shadow enemies online by using similar intimidation tactics that they think it's acceptable to do that in the real world, too. Too bad for them, but most well adjusted people don't spend their entire week bullying less pure Liberals/Leftists online and are going to roll their eyes at this and deepen their apathy for "the cause." Great job, morons. Now run back to your online echo chambers looking for validation and continue living in your underdog superhero fantasy.
Initech
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FreeState
(10,702 posts)Nearly all her post on TikTok are full of post attacking her for not speaking up (sooner). She has shown support to end the violence there. It does not help the pro-Palistinain cause one bit to act that way.
https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney?lang=en
orange jar
(878 posts)They harass people into speaking up, then continue harassing them for speaking up "too late." There's no winning with them, so most people just go, "why bother?" and ignore their screeching.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)I’m glad Im not a public figure that has to put up with constant bullying from radicals. I get being loud and making noise but they are picking the wrong targets.
Oneironaut
(6,299 posts)Often literally, that is.
Most people like this not only support Hamas but also hate the same people Hamas hate.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)tritsofme
(19,900 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)guess they want to keep him happy with them.
Or maybe they are just bigoted idiots.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)
OAITW r.2.0
(32,133 posts)Tell me this isn't classical Republican ratfucking.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)However, there are plenty of useful fools who consider themselves progressive who are all-in on these protests.
The sad part, to me, is that while many of these folks would disagree that they hate Jews, gay people, women, etc. - the fact that Hamas hates and kills those groups isn't a dealbreaker.
Not a dealbreaker. Think about that.