IDF successfully negotiates the release of four Israeli hostages in exchange for 50 dead Palestinian terrorists

[Beastly Boy]

The IDF released the following statement on Saturday:
"It has been cleared for publication that in a complex operation by the IDF, Shin Bet, and the Yamam unit of the Israel police four Israeli hostages were rescued this morning (Saturday). The hostages, Noa Argamani (25), Almog Meir (21), Andrey Kozlov (27), and Shlomi Ziv (40), were kidnapped by Hamas to the Gaza Strip from the 'Nova' party on October 7th.

Later, in a televised statement, IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari spoke on the heroic operation, saying:
"The IDF and Yamam infiltrated two facilities while under fire by Hamas terrorists. A Yamam soldier was seriously injured in the operation and has just reached the hospital. We pray for his well-being. This operation was a success in rescuing and returning four hostages. We will continue to do everything to return the 120 hostages still held in Gaza. We are confident that we will reach you, and this operation will not end until you are returned home. We will not give up on a single hostage. I want to say, it is a great pride seeing the security forces working together, shoulder to shoulder, in a vital operation: returning the hostages home.

When the operation reached this level of intelligence and was approved [by the relevant bodies]... only then were we permitted to proceed. Hamas intentionally hides the hostages in civilian neighborhoods."

--snip--

Earlier in the day, the IDF made an announcement that it was attacking terrorist structures in Nuseirat in the Gaza Strip. At least 50 Palestinians were killed during that attack, a health official in the Hamas-run enclave told Reuters on Saturday.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-805424

[madaboutharry]

1. The sarcasm of your headline is duly noted!

Hamas officials release statement: "The rescue of 4 hostages after 9 months of war is a sign of failure!"

AM YISRAEL CHAI!

[Beastly Boy]

2. "The hamas ministry of health reports scores of women and children among the martyrs"

"Eyewitnesses who dropped their weapons in time to escape confirm the Hamas report"

I can go on with the snark forever, but why beat a dead horse?

I am so relieved for the hostages who have been rescued, and hopeful for the rest of them.

[ExciteBike66]

42. Just keep pretending kids aren't being bombed by our ally!

It's disgusting.

[Beastly Boy]

43. And you keep pretending that Hamas health agency is a legitimate source of information.

[al bupp]

3. According to AP it was closer to 100 Palestinians

The bodies of nearly 100 Palestinians killed were taken to Al-Aqsa Hospital, where Khalil Degran told The Associated Press more than 100 wounded also arrived. AP reporters also saw the dead brought to the hospital from the Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah areas, as smoke rose in the distance.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-8-6-2024-a5d1ef04763a5ed17de2d050ebc5d490

[Beastly Boy]

4. This is what an unnamed Hamas health official says

AP just keeps citing unnamed and unidentified Hamas health officials.

And I keep wondering why a legitimate news organization would keeps doing this.

[EX500rider]

5. The wounded IDF Special Forces guy didn't make it unfortunately

[twodogsbarking]

6. Israel people are hostages. Palestinians are terrorists.

Any questions?

[onecaliberal]

7. I had the same observation when reading.

[twodogsbarking]

9. They are consistent though.

[question everything]

10. Oh sure. Israel invaded Gaza, killed, raped, and mutilated grandmothers and babies and took 250 hostages

while been using innocent women and children as human shields.

No, no questions at all. Just a little bit of facts.

(just in case)

[JI7]

11. So the Israelis that were kidnapped and being held in Gaza are not hostages ?

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the ones holding them and firing at those tryng to get them are not terrorists ?

[TeamProg]

12. Why do anti-Palestinians denounce the Gaza Health Ministry death counts while every official agency, east & west, accept

Hamas #'s as accurate with no reason or spec of evidence to suggest Hamas' counts are exaggerated or incorrect?

[sarisataka]

14. Simple answer

The statement "while every official agency, east & west, accept Hamas #'s as accurate" is false. The question is therefore moot

[PCIntern]

21. Exactly...and

Those American estimates of Viet Cong casualties which were multiplied by 10, 20 or 50 depending on the mood of the public relations officers that day. Do people recall that in the beginning of this conflict, the Gaza ministry of health was reporting the deaths of the terrorists in Israel during the terrorist rape, mutilations, kidnappings, and murders as implied innocent casualties of the war? Oops.

[TeamProg]

23. Yah no we aren't talking about the VietNam war. Ooops!

[PCIntern]

30. Speak for yourself...I am.

[TeamProg]

34. You're free to do that but the point is not directly relevant.

[PCIntern]

38. It most certainly is...

I’m speaking about the propensity of governments and groups to lie about casualties in one direction or another.

Hamas, like Trump, lies effortlessly and continually.

[sarisataka]

31. From Murphy's laws of combat-

Body count Math --> 3 guerrillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemies killed in action.

[TeamProg]

33. Ah yes, the IDF counts that way.

[sarisataka]

36. The Gaza Health Ministry would say all 37 were innocent

and mostly women and children

[TeamProg]

22. Not false, true. Look it up. The ONLY nation that does not accept Hamas death counts is.... get ready...

Israel.

The U.N. also accepts Hamas #'s.

History will NOT be kind.

[sarisataka]

24. Look it up- good advice

Director of National Intelligence: U.S. does not take Gaza casualty numbers ‘on face value’

BBC admits its reporting of Gaza ‘civilian’ deaths was inaccurate

How AP analyzed Gaza Health Ministry’s death toll data

I could go on...

[TeamProg]

27. Nope, no clear disagreement on the number of dead. Proportions of women, children, fighters vary. Certainly the IDF

calls more dead Palestinian ciitizens as members of Hamas than the Gazan Health Ministry does. That has been the case since the beginning.

[sarisataka]

28. And Hamas considers

EVERY Israeli a member of the IDF, be it current or future, so murdering Israeli children is justified.

Has the "Gazan Health Ministry" ever listed any deaths other than "innocent" Palestinians? Are Hamas fighters innocent or has Israel failed to kill a single Hamas member so far?

[TeamProg]

32. Here ya go!

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/nothing-wrong-with-gaza-death-toll-figures-who-says-2024-05-14/

GENEVA, May 14 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization voiced full confidence in Gaza Ministry of Health death toll figures on Tuesday, saying they were actually getting closer to confirming the scale of losses after Israel questioned a change in the numbers.
Gaza's health ministry last week updated its breakdown of the total fatalities of around 35,000 since Oct. 7, saying that about 25,000 of those have so far been fully identified, of whom more than half were women and children.

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https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/15/why-the-u-n-revised-the-numbers-of-women-and-children-killed-in-gaza/

The United Nations says it revised down its tally of women and children killed over the past seven months in the Gaza Strip as the Health Ministry in the territory confirms most, but not all, the identities of the casualties.

Despite its revision based on identified deaths, the U.N. maintains that the Gaza Health Ministry's overall death toll of more than 35,000 people killed in the ongoing Israeli military offensive in Gaza is reliable.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-death-toll-ocha-un-confusion-anger-rcna151934

U.N.’s new breakdown of Gaza death toll sparks confusion and anger
Some Israeli officials incorrectly suggested that the data showed a significant drop in death toll numbers.

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[sarisataka]

35. Here is the issue:

You began by saying every official agency... An absolute statement.

Posting an example that one agency agrees does not make your statement factual.

[bottomofthehill]

41. Here is a simple solution

Give back the hostages. Stop hiding the hostages in residential neighborhoods, stop building command centers under hospitals, don’t invade a country and slaughter 1400 people and maybe then, they won’t have a reason to come fuck you up. This is the definition of “fuck around and find out.”

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. The peculiar thing is that the "50" in the thread title came from ... the Hamas Health Ministry

Israel Rescues Four Hostages In Gaza; Palestinians Say 50 Dead In Israeli Assault

The Israeli military said it rescued four hostages held since October in a raid in the central Gaza Strip on Saturday while Palestinian officials said an Israeli attack in the same area killed more than 50 people.
...
Gaza’s health ministry meanwhile reported on Saturday that Israeli military assaults in al-Nuseirat had killed and wounded dozens of people including women and children. The ministry did not say how many of the fatalities were combatants.

A health ministry official put the death toll at more than 50, saying emergency response teams were trying to ferry the dead and wounded to hospital in the nearby city of Deir al-Balah but many bodies were still lying in the streets, including around a market district.

Local residents said al-Nuseirat had come under heavy Israeli drone and air strikes, and that those who were killed included women and children.
...
(Reuters)
https://ddnews.gov.in/en/israel-rescues-four-hostages-in-gaza-palestinians-say-50-dead-in-israeli-assault/

So the thread starter happily accepted the Hamas Health Ministry's figure of "50" this time; they just declared all the dead to be terrorists, whatever their age.

[manicdem]

40. DU delegation

We could create 2 teams to travel there to corroborate the losses. One team embeds with the Israelis. One team embeds with Hamas.

I'd rather be on the team with the Israelis.

[question everything]

8. Good that "able bodied" are included. They have been considered soldiers, even if reservists and were

the last to be released, if at all.

[betsuni]

13. K&R

[Mosby]

15. People are complaining that it wasn't fair, not enough IDF soldiers died.

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The rescue fatalities were clearly disproportionate, I think these new war crimes will be added to the ICC case against Israel. Like the one guy said, where is the global outrage?

Link to tweet

[Bad Thoughts]

17. War isn't about fairness. don't start wars.

[Cha]

19. Good On IDF Rescuing the 4 Hostages! Too bad

for the Whiners.

Don't Invade, Slaughter, and Brutally, Sadistically grab Hostages from their homes, hamas Terrorists.

[ShazzieB]

29. +1000

I am so fucking sick and tired of people making excuses for terrorists and wringing their hands over them.

[betsuni]

25. That's bizarre. War as a game where players have the same number of cards.

[sarisataka]

26. You hit the nail on the head

Too many people think war is a game and must therefore be "fair"

Hamas knew this "game" would be unfair, yet went all-in before even dealing the cards

[Bad Thoughts]

39. Choosing war means preferring force over fairness

It means forgoing other solutions in order to use naked violence.

That's what Hamas chose. That's the license they gave Israel.

Hamas must surrender.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

16. Statement of National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on the Israeli Hostage Rescue Operation

Link to tweet

[Cha]

20. Jake Sullivan Quote..

The U.S. is supporting all efforts to secure the release of hostages still held by Hamas, including Americans. This includes through ongoing negotiations or other means.

TY, LMPV!

[Cha]

18. Such Welcoming News.. TY, BB!