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kentuck

(115,544 posts)
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 10:45 AM Jun 2024

Many of the critics of President Biden's age are actually more concerned about who holds the Vice-Presidency.

They are fearful that if he were to die in office, a black woman would take over the Presidency. They never say that but there is a lot of overt racism in this country today.

I would venture that if Kamala Harris were to announce that she was going to resign her position and run for Governor of California, and Gavin Newsom was going to replace her as VP, then Joe Biden's poll numbers would go up dramatically.

That is just my opinion.

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Many of the critics of President Biden's age are actually more concerned about who holds the Vice-Presidency. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2024 OP
The racism aside, she seems to also have the Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #1
The "Hillary Problem" was contrived by the LEFT such as David Sirota, Nina Turner, Jill Stein, Cornell West, Brianna Joy JohnSJ Jun 2024 #6
"Bernie Bros" drove the "Hillary problem" here splat Jun 2024 #13
Maybe, but it wasn't contrived in my life. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #18
Not you or others like you, but regardless you voted for her because you knew what JohnSJ Jun 2024 #20
.. Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #19
in combination with her prosecutorial experience Tetrachloride Jun 2024 #2
I think your opinion is correct. Even so called Democrats Fla Dem Jun 2024 #3
I agree completely SARose Jun 2024 #4
I have said this before. Enola Jun 2024 #5
I'd love to see Harris in the white house. I hope she remains his vp. lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #7
Since many of them are SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2024 #8
its white women too MistakenLamb Jun 2024 #9
You're arguing we should dump the black woman for a white male? tinrobot Jun 2024 #10
We need to keep the black and women's vote. lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #11
We need to keep the black and women's vote. lindysalsagal Jun 2024 #11
Her stage presence Melon Jun 2024 #14
In the first year or so, I believe she was not her best, but the last 2 years she has really shined. Fla Dem Jun 2024 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2024 #15
I would vote for her. EndlessWire Jun 2024 #16
I think you are right, but if the topic comes up, I take it at face value RandomNumbers Jun 2024 #17
Absolutely correct pinkstarburst Jun 2024 #21
As was said several years ago regarding: What is the problem with Biden's age? Hekate Jun 2024 #23

Joinfortmill

(21,573 posts)
1. The racism aside, she seems to also have the
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 10:49 AM
Jun 2024

Hillary problem. Lots of folks haven't warmed to her. That said, I think Joe is going to crush it. Just vote, people.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
6. The "Hillary Problem" was contrived by the LEFT such as David Sirota, Nina Turner, Jill Stein, Cornell West, Brianna Joy
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 11:22 AM
Jun 2024

Gray, Susan Sarandon, etc., and much of the "liberal media", giving those people much more airtime than they deserved to undermine the Hillary campaign pushing the false memo there was no "difference between Democrats and republicans, Hillary would be worse than trump, etc.", and of course Jim Comey, who 11 days before the general election sent a memo to the republicans in congress, who with the help of the MSM paraded right wing pundits across the various media outlets pushing the LIE that the "email investigation was reopened", until late Friday, the weekend before the general election, Comey quietly coming out saying no new information was found, and the email investigation would not be reopened.

Everyone with half a brain knew the SC was at stake, and those anti-Hillary so-called progressives still refused to vote for Hillary by either voting third party, or not voting.

In every swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote. It didn't take much.

My point being, the same actors are presenting themselves this time also, such as RFK jr, Cornell West, Jill Stein. The only thing that is different is there is a counter that the MSM does not regularly talk about, and that is the never trumpet republicans. They are a very real wild card.

Of course you are correct, getting the vote out is key, but we sure as heck cannot depend on those so-called self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general election. They are not reliable, and frankly, they have demonstrated that they are a bunch of losers, not unlike the orange menace.

splat

(2,358 posts)
13. "Bernie Bros" drove the "Hillary problem" here
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 12:29 PM
Jun 2024

In Southern New England, many liberal men pushed Sanders and dissed Hillary.

Joinfortmill

(21,573 posts)
18. Maybe, but it wasn't contrived in my life.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 05:15 PM
Jun 2024

I know lots of folks who never warmed to her. I was one for a very long time. Love her now, but I didn't always. I did vote for her.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
20. Not you or others like you, but regardless you voted for her because you knew what
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jun 2024

the stakes were, and those others also were not that naive to not know what the stakes were, and yet they refused to vote for her.

Fla Dem

(27,747 posts)
3. I think your opinion is correct. Even so called Democrats
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 11:14 AM
Jun 2024

Even so called Democrats are having a hard time dealing with a possible woman president.

Never mind a Black Female president.

VP Harris has really been front and center in the past year. I think Biden is making sure she gets as much exposure as she possibly can to the American public. Any event where she has participated and it was televised, showed a very enthusiastic crowd for her.

Hoping against all hope she'll be right there ready to step into Biden's shoes in 2028. Hope I'm still here to see it.

SARose

(1,831 posts)
4. I agree completely
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 11:14 AM
Jun 2024

I told my husband the other day that if Biden would refuse the nomination and throw his support to Gavin Newsom it would be awesome. I like your idea even better. Well done!

Enola

(38 posts)
5. I have said this before.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 11:14 AM
Jun 2024

Even left wing men want to prevent a woman from ever being president, The fact that she is a woman of color just raises their fear much higher. That is what "he's too old" really means.

tinrobot

(12,114 posts)
10. You're arguing we should dump the black woman for a white male?
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 11:31 AM
Jun 2024

That's not going to go over well with a lot of Democrats.

I think we forget that people of color are a huge part of our coalition. We can't take them for granted. Something like this would cause many of them to stay home in November.

Melon

(1,604 posts)
14. Her stage presence
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 01:22 PM
Jun 2024

and ability to deliver a message is not good in my opinion. The office seemed to almost be hiding her for a portion of the presidency. I don’t believe it’s a race issue but someone stronger would definitely help.

Fla Dem

(27,747 posts)
22. In the first year or so, I believe she was not her best, but the last 2 years she has really shined.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 08:52 PM
Jun 2024

She shows so much confidence and personality, she speaks of important issues and does so with emotion, passion, knowledge and sincerity. She also has a sense of humor and a confidence in her position which I find very encouraging.

In her 1st year or so I was very concerned about her ability to be an effective VP and possible Presidental candidate. But after almost 4 years, I no longer have any concerns. Kamal Harris would make a great President, just as Hillary Clinton would have been an excellent President.

Not going to let the naysayers destroy VP Harris as they did with Hillary Clinton.

H2O Man

(79,204 posts)
15. Recommended.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 01:29 PM
Jun 2024

Yes, this is true. For reasons that, among others, people have correctly noted here, she did not do well in the Democratic primaries in 2020. I think she has served well as VP, and think that if she stays focused on Roe, we will get the votes we need in November.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
16. I would vote for her.
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 02:30 PM
Jun 2024

I like Secretary Pete, too...he's a male and white, just what they want...very smart, brave guy...

Harris/Buttigieg 2028

RandomNumbers

(19,248 posts)
17. I think you are right, but if the topic comes up, I take it at face value
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jun 2024

and defend Biden vs. Trump - they are both old but Biden is clearly in better physical and mental shape. Not to mention all the other reasons to vote against Trump, but if someone is pretending to think age is a differentiator, I address that.

Harris wasn't my first pick but she is clearly competent and I have zero problem with her being the backup for Biden. Once again, compared to Trump, it's a no-brainer. Unless someone really secretly likes something about Trump, enough to overcome the fraud, lies, and felony convictions.

pinkstarburst

(2,073 posts)
21. Absolutely correct
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 05:49 PM
Jun 2024

We already saw this with Hillary Clinton back in 2016. Hillary is arguably one of the most qualified candidates to ever run for president, running against perhaps the least qualified candidate ever to run. And yet she was not elected because this country is deeply misogynistic. Many simply do not want a woman president.

Kamala Harris would have to overcome BOTH that misogyny AND racism as a Black woman. And of course that is impacting Joe Biden's polling, which is already being impacted due to voter's not being wild about his age, or Trump's age. There is nothing we can do about it at this point. The election results in Europe make me nervous. Ugh. Hoping we are wiser than this.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
23. As was said several years ago regarding: What is the problem with Biden's age?
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 09:00 PM
Jun 2024

She’s Black.

That manages to check both the misogyny and racist boxes at once.

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