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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMany of the critics of President Biden's age are actually more concerned about who holds the Vice-Presidency.
They are fearful that if he were to die in office, a black woman would take over the Presidency. They never say that but there is a lot of overt racism in this country today.
I would venture that if Kamala Harris were to announce that she was going to resign her position and run for Governor of California, and Gavin Newsom was going to replace her as VP, then Joe Biden's poll numbers would go up dramatically.
That is just my opinion.
Joinfortmill
(21,573 posts)Hillary problem. Lots of folks haven't warmed to her. That said, I think Joe is going to crush it. Just vote, people.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Gray, Susan Sarandon, etc., and much of the "liberal media", giving those people much more airtime than they deserved to undermine the Hillary campaign pushing the false memo there was no "difference between Democrats and republicans, Hillary would be worse than trump, etc.", and of course Jim Comey, who 11 days before the general election sent a memo to the republicans in congress, who with the help of the MSM paraded right wing pundits across the various media outlets pushing the LIE that the "email investigation was reopened", until late Friday, the weekend before the general election, Comey quietly coming out saying no new information was found, and the email investigation would not be reopened.
Everyone with half a brain knew the SC was at stake, and those anti-Hillary so-called progressives still refused to vote for Hillary by either voting third party, or not voting.
In every swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in those swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote. It didn't take much.
My point being, the same actors are presenting themselves this time also, such as RFK jr, Cornell West, Jill Stein. The only thing that is different is there is a counter that the MSM does not regularly talk about, and that is the never trumpet republicans. They are a very real wild card.
Of course you are correct, getting the vote out is key, but we sure as heck cannot depend on those so-called self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in the 2016 general election. They are not reliable, and frankly, they have demonstrated that they are a bunch of losers, not unlike the orange menace.
splat
(2,358 posts)In Southern New England, many liberal men pushed Sanders and dissed Hillary.
Joinfortmill
(21,573 posts)I know lots of folks who never warmed to her. I was one for a very long time. Love her now, but I didn't always. I did vote for her.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)the stakes were, and those others also were not that naive to not know what the stakes were, and yet they refused to vote for her.
Tetrachloride
(9,686 posts)and voter outreach
scary
Fla Dem
(27,747 posts)Even so called Democrats are having a hard time dealing with a possible woman president.
Never mind a Black Female president.
VP Harris has really been front and center in the past year. I think Biden is making sure she gets as much exposure as she possibly can to the American public. Any event where she has participated and it was televised, showed a very enthusiastic crowd for her.
Hoping against all hope she'll be right there ready to step into Biden's shoes in 2028. Hope I'm still here to see it.
SARose
(1,831 posts)I told my husband the other day that if Biden would refuse the nomination and throw his support to Gavin Newsom it would be awesome. I like your idea even better. Well done!
Enola
(38 posts)Even left wing men want to prevent a woman from ever being president, The fact that she is a woman of color just raises their fear much higher. That is what "he's too old" really means.
lindysalsagal
(22,984 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(7,965 posts)White men over 50, that is probably a big part of their problem.
MistakenLamb
(791 posts)many want one of them to break the ceiling first
tinrobot
(12,114 posts)That's not going to go over well with a lot of Democrats.
I think we forget that people of color are a huge part of our coalition. We can't take them for granted. Something like this would cause many of them to stay home in November.
lindysalsagal
(22,984 posts)lindysalsagal
(22,984 posts)Melon
(1,604 posts)and ability to deliver a message is not good in my opinion. The office seemed to almost be hiding her for a portion of the presidency. I dont believe its a race issue but someone stronger would definitely help.
Fla Dem
(27,747 posts)She shows so much confidence and personality, she speaks of important issues and does so with emotion, passion, knowledge and sincerity. She also has a sense of humor and a confidence in her position which I find very encouraging.
In her 1st year or so I was very concerned about her ability to be an effective VP and possible Presidental candidate. But after almost 4 years, I no longer have any concerns. Kamal Harris would make a great President, just as Hillary Clinton would have been an excellent President.
Not going to let the naysayers destroy VP Harris as they did with Hillary Clinton.
H2O Man
(79,204 posts)Yes, this is true. For reasons that, among others, people have correctly noted here, she did not do well in the Democratic primaries in 2020. I think she has served well as VP, and think that if she stays focused on Roe, we will get the votes we need in November.
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)I like Secretary Pete, too...he's a male and white, just what they want...very smart, brave guy...
Harris/Buttigieg 2028
RandomNumbers
(19,248 posts)and defend Biden vs. Trump - they are both old but Biden is clearly in better physical and mental shape. Not to mention all the other reasons to vote against Trump, but if someone is pretending to think age is a differentiator, I address that.
Harris wasn't my first pick but she is clearly competent and I have zero problem with her being the backup for Biden. Once again, compared to Trump, it's a no-brainer. Unless someone really secretly likes something about Trump, enough to overcome the fraud, lies, and felony convictions.
pinkstarburst
(2,073 posts)We already saw this with Hillary Clinton back in 2016. Hillary is arguably one of the most qualified candidates to ever run for president, running against perhaps the least qualified candidate ever to run. And yet she was not elected because this country is deeply misogynistic. Many simply do not want a woman president.
Kamala Harris would have to overcome BOTH that misogyny AND racism as a Black woman. And of course that is impacting Joe Biden's polling, which is already being impacted due to voter's not being wild about his age, or Trump's age. There is nothing we can do about it at this point. The election results in Europe make me nervous. Ugh. Hoping we are wiser than this.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Shes Black.
That manages to check both the misogyny and racist boxes at once.