Lindsey Graham on CBS claims D-Day was "a failure"

[kpete]

Link to tweet

Lindsey Graham SC's statement on CBS, claiming that D-Day was "a failure," is not only historically inaccurate but also profoundly disrespectful to the memory of those who fought and died on that pivotal day. D-Day, or the Normandy landings on June 6, 1944, was a monumental effort by the Allied forces that marked the beginning of the end for Nazi Germany. It was a day of immense sacrifice and heroism, with thousands of lives lost in the name of liberating Europe from tyranny.

To label such a significant and ultimately successful operation as "a failure" reveals a staggering ignorance of history and an appalling lack of respect for the courage and dedication of the soldiers involved. This statement is not just a simple gaffe; it reflects a broader problem of historical illiteracy and a troubling tendency to undermine pivotal moments in history for political gain.

It's essential to correct such misinformation and honour the true legacy of D-Day. The Allied forces' efforts on that day were a triumph of strategic planning, international cooperation, and sheer bravery. They overcame enormous obstacles to secure a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe, leading to the eventual defeat of Hitler’s regime.

Link to tweet

Lindsey Graham's remarks should be met with the appropriate level of criticism and correction. D-Day was far from a failure; it was a testament to the resilience and determination of the Allied forces, a defining moment in the fight for freedom and democracy.

[unblock]

1. Wtaf

[peppertree]

28. Incredible, isn't it - especially considering what Nazis would do to someone like Lindsey

(or what many Republicans would do, for that matter)

[BonnieJW]

55. Remember when Lindsey had a brain?

I remember when he was rather intelligent. It seems hanging out with idiots is contagious.

[B.See]

72. SPINE, perhaps.? If he ever had either.

[Crunchy Frog]

93. Naw, he was only borrowing McCain's brain.

[Oopsie Daisy]

135. LG is being blackmailed, I'm almost certain of it. There are photos, I've heard. If true, & if they were made public *

* he'd end up in jail, I imagine. That man has so many "skeletons in his closet," there's no room for any more.

[peppertree]

141. No doubt about it. That is, after all, how the mafia kept J. Edgar in line - and off their backs.

By keeping plenty of photos of someone on his.

[RVN VET71]

149. Yessir, even as you suggest.

His comments about D-Day smack of the filthy closet full of sins -- and I'm sure it isn't just "the love that dare not speak its name" but something much, much worse and very very sexually perverted. If the object of the blackmail was merely to expose him as a homosexual, even Lindsay must know that these days all you have to do is come out publicly and say, "Sure, so I'm gay. Big deal."

It's gotta be something foul, and criminally so.

As far as who's doing the blackmailing, maybe Putin. Maybe neo-Nazis. Some person or entity entity that will get its testes tickled at the thought of a former full Colonel in the U.S. Air Force (a military lawyer/judge) disparaging the military and, of course, keeping a fool like Graham on a short chain. (So probably Putin).

[Oopsie Daisy]

159. You explained it and analyzed it perfectly *

* this sums it up: "...but something much, much worse and very very sexually perverted."

Yes... I agree that it's likely Putin... with photos AND the receipts.

Sigh. Isn't he pathetic?

[brush]

2. Still an idiot. He's sitting there now speaking English, not German...

because it was such a failure .

I don't think I really need the sarc gif, but just in case.

[wnylib]

59. My guess - Graham says it was a failure because

he's part of the revival of Nazism today.

[brush]

69. Right. Lindsay, always ahead of the curve. sarc gif here if needed.

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[global1]

3. Lindsey Is A Failure......

Do these people stop at nothing? What a disgrace he is!!!

[Srkdqltr]

4. Why would he say something like that?

What does it do? Who cares what he says anyway

[Midnight Writer]

13. It seems the whole GOP is damning everything NATO.

All roads lead to Putin.

Lindsey has done a number of abrupt about-faces that seem to serve the interests of Putin, including simping for Trump.

[FHRRK]

18. This

Lindsey is doing Putin’s bidding.

[rurallib]

26. My guess is trump told him to under the pain of some

payback if he didn't - like maybe outing him?

Sure made old Lyndsey look like a total fucking idiot.

[Magoo48]

49. They're all crazier than shithouse owls.

[Evolve Dammit]

110. Or batshit crazy?? Don't know which is worse

[B.See]

73. Why? To further nudge his head up Trump's

ASS. Just to remind his fuhrer it's still there, mind you.

[Skittles]

102. maybe he is pimping for Trump

you know Trump was insanely jealous of the Normandy vets getting all that attention

[Evolve Dammit]

108. Wants to be on the Vengeance Tour. Peeing his pants in fear if he doesn't?

[dsc]

5. I hate him with the passion of a million suns

but it is very unfair to pretend he is saying D Day was a failure. He is clearly referring to not having deterred Hitler and Japan.

[LauraInLA]

76. I wish everyone would listen to the clip before assuming!

[EYESORE 9001]

6. Who scripted that little nugget?

Someone or some organization is promulgating orders to rewrite history. This is just one facet - a new and particularly contemptible one at that.

[Kid Berwyn]

7. That's what Putin would say.

Soviets did the heavy lifting, right Lindsey?

[Voltaire2]

11. well actually they did do the 'heavy lifting'.

The USSR fought an astoundingly large long and bloody war on the eastern front from 1941-1945. However the Russians have never, as far as I know, claimed that D-Day was a failure.

The Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during the war, including 8.7 million military and 19 million civilian deaths.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

[Kid Berwyn]

19. Russia says the D-Day invasion "did not have a decisive impact" on World War II

Russia says the D-Day invasion "did not have a decisive impact" on World War II and its significance "should not be exaggerated".

By Ciaran Sunderland
Reuters, June 6, 2019

Excerpt…

"As historians note, the Normandy landing did not have a decisive impact on the outcome of World War Two and the Great Patriotic War.

"It had already been pre-determined as a result of the Red Army's victories, mainly at Stalingrad (in late 1942) and Kursk (in mid-1943)," Zakharova told reporters.

Snip…

Moscow, which had been fighting German forces in the east for almost three years by the time of D-Day, and gradually pushing them back from early 1943, had been urging Britain's Winston Churchill to open a second front as far back as August 1942.

Snip…

Zakhorova's statement follows an article written by Sergey Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister, in Russia's International Affairs magazine. Lavrov said that the D-Day operations are part of "pseudo-historical theories" introduced to the "Western education system" that "belittle" the efforts of the Soviet Union during World War II.

The Russian Embassy in the US has also issued a number of tweets highlighting the role of the Soviet Union's Red Army during WW2 and state that "the brunt of the war against Nazism" was still "primarily carried by the USSR".

Continues…

https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/06/russia-says-d-day-s-significance-should-not-be-exaggerated

PS: Here’s Lavrov in the Oval Office with Lindsey Graham’s favorite traitor:



Almost forgot: Stalin and Hitler were allied when they invaded Poland to start World War 2. Thanks to FDR, the United States served as the Arsenal of Democracy.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Without the bitterness of Winter, who knows where Russia would be right now.

[maxrandb]

42. Actually, you could say the Oval Office "was" Lavrov's office during Donnie Dipshits misadministration

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To be truly historically accurate, maybe Russia shouldn't have been so easily snookered by Hitler when they signed the nonaggression agreement between Adolf and Stalin.

Russia thinking that Germany was going to share the spoils of war, is kind of like Lindsey thinking Donnie Dipshit is going to share the spoils of power with him.

[paleotn]

57. Without US aid, the Soviets would have been in the shitter.

It wasn't just the second front, thinning German formations in the east. It was lend lease. Thousands upon thousands of aircraft, tanks and over 300K trucks and other kit. The fearsome Katyusha rocket launchers? They were mounted on Studebaker deuce and a halfs from the good ole US of A.

[Voltaire2]

100. 'Second front'?

It was the only front of any major significance until the invasion of Italy. D-day opened the ‘second front’.

Dismissing the Soviet role dishonors the millions who sacrificed their lives fighting fascism.

[paleotn]

109. Reading comprehension perhaps? That's what I bleeping wrote.

The 2nd front was D-Day. Italy was a side show with geography easily defended without a huge commitment on Germany's part. Churchill was off his rocker with the "soft underbelly" bullshit. Italy's geography alone made it anything but soft. Anyone who's actually been to Italy knows that. Fucking obvious.

The western end of the northern European plain, i.e. France? That's a whole other story. That was the 2nd front Stalin pleaded for, since it would require a massive redeployment of German troops. Troops they didn't have. I'm not dismissing anything other than to mention the Soviets rode into battle in American trucks. Without our material assistance, they probably would have failed fighting fascism. They sure as fucking shit didn't win it all by their lonesome. Or are you parroting Kremlin talking points?

[Ligyron]

138. So the Russians are fighting Nazis for three whole years.

We show up and they’re defeated in like, a year?

[Kid Berwyn]

140. I dunno. You ever hear about the Battle of the North Atlantic?

Or El-Alamein? Sicily? Frankfurt? Ploesti? Lots more Americans gave their lives before D-Day fighting against tyranny.

How about Pearl Harbor and Corregidor? Does the Pacific Theatre count?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

8. This is why I hate video clips that are a few seconds long.

My guess is that Lindsey Graham was on for about twenty minutes.

Is it possible that the material omitted both before and after this snippet of a few words provides context? Sure, but that’s no reason to include it.

There’s a reason you’re not being shown the preceding and following material.

[anciano]

15. Context? Seriously???

I understand the English language and he said what he said.

[Kaleva]

157. You can make the Bible say anything if you avoid context

[oasis]

9. What a stupid ass statement.

Lindsey needs to sober up before getting in front of a mic.
just say no

[sakabatou]

10. So, how many community notes does Lindsey have?

[ProudMNDemocrat]

12. "We had a dozen ways to stop Hitler" ? Say what, Lindsey?

There was no other way to attack the Axis powers without the joint forces of Allies to bring this off.

Damn is this man STUPID and IGNORANT at the same time.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Did He List Them?

We're half of his "ideas" hindsight? (Like what could have been done in 1932 or 1936)
Without massive qualification, it's a monumentally stupid statement.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

78. No.

Apparently Lindsey did not read the part in History class where British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain capitulated to Hitler in the Munich Peace talks in 1938 not to invade Poland after ceding Czechsolvakia.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. I Figured So

I suppose it was a rhetorical question, because I already knew the answer would be no.
Not sure how he ever got through college.

[former9thward]

23. The U.S. was isolationist before Pearl Harbor.

We could have stopped Hitler before the war started. The Europeans gave into Hitler at Munich. They could have stopped Hitler.

[thucythucy]

85. That's my sense of what he might have meant as well.

I think the thought was: the need for D-Day was a result of the failure of the community of nations to stop Hitler when it had so many chances. Or maybe the result of the failure of the Versailles Treaty to reign in German militarism. Something along those lines.

But to say D-Day itself was a failure is at best an incredible misstatement, evidence that neither he nor his staff have much regard for the language, or, at worst, what so many here believe he's saying.

Either way he's a dolt.

I wonder if he sees any parallels between Hitler/Chamberlain in 1938, and Putin/Trump today. If so, how can he possibly remain a Republican?

Rhetorical question. I expect we all have our theories.

[tanyev]

16. In the sense that fascism is back with a vengeance?

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That’s not what he meant, is it.

[sarisataka]

17. A bit of context

Graham appear to be referring to a quote from Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World by Patrick Buchanan. (Yes, that Patrick Buchanan)

It comes from Churchill's memoirs and a discussion with Roosevelt when Churchill called the war "unnecessary". He was using 20/20 hindsight how if different actions had been taken pre-war (ex-oppose the Anschlus, don't sell out Czechoslovakia, actually do somethingto support Poland, etc), the war may never have started.

Graham is extrapolating the idea the war could have been prevented to D-Day was a failure since the war happened.

Graham is an idiot.

[cab67]

119. Given that the war started in July of 1937 -

- when hostilities re-commenced between Japan and China - war was inevitable regardless. If it hadn't started in Europe, it would have spread through the Asia-Pacific region and, ultimately, included the USSR.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

20. D-Day was indeed a huge failure, ...

... from the point of view of Hitler. Or Rommel.

I wonder whose point of view is shared by Graham?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Another armchair general

STFU Lindsey.

[former9thward]

22. He did not say D-Day was a failure.

He said the war was a failure because we could have stopped Hitler beforehand. A very dishonest tweet.

[tanyev]

30. Still staggering hypocrisy from a man who initially opposed Trump

and then became one of his biggest enablers. The Republican party could have stopped Trump before he ever got started, but they all decided they wanted what Donny was dishing out.

[former9thward]

33. Kinda sucks that people make personal attacks rather than discussing the post.

Saying I am a "supporter" of Graham is a personal attack and a TOS violation.

[Autumn]

80. "We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D Day, uh it was a failure, an unnessacary war."

You can spin it anyway you want. He fucking said that D Day was a failure, an unnessacary war. Three or four months later France was liberated, and yet less than a year later Hitler's regime was gone. I'm thinking that the world was pretty fucking grateful for that failure.

[former9thward]

91. Except you misquoted him and changed the context.

He said "We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D Day, uh IT WAS a failure, IT WAS the unnecessary war".

By leaving off the second "it" and leaving off "was the" after it, you completely change the meaning of the sentence. He was talking about WW 2 not D-Day. Do you think people don't listen to what others say?

[Autumn]

99. OMG the horror, "It was the" He said it, doesn't change a thing.

Fuck him and his twisted appeasing. It was not the unnecessary war. Tell that to all the ones who died.

As for context, there was no time machine to go back in time to enact a firm policy toward aggressor nations after World War I to have prevented the conflict. Churchill and his whatifism.

[former9thward]

101. If we acted forcefully in the 1930s those tens of millions would not have died.

So it is up to you to tell them that.

[Autumn]

103. If only we had a time machine. But we don't so what ifs are bullshit. Nope, not gonna

carry Little Lindsey's piss pot.

[Wednesdays]

132. And if Europe went to war in 1938

in response to Anschluss or Sudetenland, the deaths would still have happened, because Hitler already had his juggernaut military and the allies were even LESS prepared. The only difference, the killing would have started a year sooner.

[Autumn]

144. Just a lot of what if's and should haves to change history to defend a nasty, vile republican.

[atreides1]

84. Okay

Did he say how the US could have stopped Hitler and his rise to power?

[former9thward]

87. Many, many historians have pointed how that could have been done.

The U.S. was very isolationist before Pearl Harbor. Maybe our government should not have turned away Jewish refugees from Germany which Hitler took to mean as we were weak and would not fight.

[Captain Zero]

131. So it is almost like Lindsey supports the Ukraine war

Is the way I'm reading it.

[former9thward]

145. He has been a vocal proponent of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

[mwooldri]

136. Agreed. Hitler could have been stopped.

However the memories of the Great War were still fresh and the millions dead. No political leader wanted to have a confrontation with anyone. It was appeasement all the way. I believe things would have been different had Winston Churchill been PM in the mid 1930s.

[lonely bird]

137. All of which is irrelevant

Nobody gets to know what would have happened.

Engaging in “if only” or “maybe” is pointless. Worse, it is not based in reality. You cannot know, ever, what the results would have been. I will play some right now. If only Hitler hadn’t chased away the scientists and Germany had completed its heavy water experiments and developed the atomic bomb. That what if is just as likely as any other what if.

WW2 was not avoidable. Keynes’ book pointed out what could happen. And it did.

[wryter2000]

151. We definitely shouldn't have turned Jews away

But I don't know that accepting them would have won the war any faster. Just because Hitler thought we were weak? If he thought we'd been strong, he wouldn't have invaded Poland or France? We were an ocean away from him.

BTW, the new Netflix series on Hitler is really good. Lots of things I didn't know, and I'm not particularly ignorant of the time.

[appmanga]

160. You're pointing out...

...what Neville Chamberlain thought he was doing -- trying to prevent war. Nobody just threw their hands in the air and said "I can't wait for Hitler to really ramp this thing up". There were active negotiations and appeasements made to avoid war. That was the failure.

And U.S. policy toward Europe and it's seemingly regular schedules of war wasn't new and, until WWII, the preference of the government and its people. Even today we resist "our boys dying on foreign soil". Hitler wasn't concerned about the U.S. playing an active role in "Europe's War" and the U.S. rejecting Jewish refugees had nothing to do with that.

And I heard with my own two ears what Lindsey Graham said, and he called D-Day a failure. He's wrong, as are you.

[former9thward]

161. You listened to what you wanted to hear.

I try to be objective. So, I listened to the entire sentence. YMMV.

[appmanga]

162. I also try to be objective.

Give yourself a cookie.

[Hekate]

25. Has he utterly lost his mind?

[Emile]

27. Why do they keep interviewing him on Sunday morning

talk shows? All he does is lie, falsely blame and whine.

[Beartracks]

29. Anymore, Republicans don't regard freedom and democracy as worthy goals, but as hindrances to their power.

On edit: Okay, I see the post where someone points out Graham said the war was a failure because we could've stopped Hitler much earlier. Weirdly, however, my post generally remains accurate even in light of that.

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[senseandsensibility]

31. Someone is skeered that Biden looked good in Europe

this week and it's reflecting badly on his savior, cheato. Sometimes you just have to put your five year old hat on to see things through these cult members' eyes.

[peggysue2]

37. That's my take as well

Anything that gives President Biden a boost or diminishes Agent Orange must be neutralized. Graham is neither stupid or ignorant but he has been totally subsumed by the MAGA cult.

There's no other place to run for the likes of Graham without destroying his political career and/or putting a target on his back.

Selling your soul is a tough, tough bargain!

[sop]

58. Exactly.

Graham is attempting to cast shade on Biden's remarks in Europe by rewriting history, and he's doing it to help Trump. I suspect Trump will use this as a Biden attack line at his next Hotter than Hell rally.

[Takket]

34. i always thought the military was a sacred cow in politics

that no matter who you were, what party, if you wanted to have success in politics, you never questioned the military. you don't question their people, you don't question their funding, you don't question their actions

if you do, the public will turn on you with absolute rabid rage.

which is why i'm so shocked that the gop has turned on the military, under drumpf's rule, with such contempt for people that they once regarded as heroes. I'm sure those feelings have always been there, because rethugs only think of THEMSELVES as heroic, but i never expected them to be able to SPEAK those feelings, and have them basically have no effect from the public as far as losing support.

i find it dumbfounding

[Traurigkeit]

107. Republicans do not care about the actual citizens of the United States

If they ever did

POWER and GREED the one things that matters to Republicans.

[Swede]

35. And yet, less than a year later, the Third Reich was no more. Hitler dead, Mussolini dead, Japan crumbling.

Doesn't sound like a failure. Who is sucking up to?

[elleng]

36. His sickness shows up more every day.

He MIGHT have noticed what France (among others) was enduring, and the concerns of the British, but NO, we had LOTS of places to stop hitler.

[maxrandb]

38. When you're on the side of the Nazis

of course you would consider D-Day a "failure."

[Deep State Witch]

39. Was he talking about Biden's D-Day Speech

Or the actual D-Day operation? Because the Repukes are trying to spin Biden's D-Day speech as a failure.

[SunSeeker]

53. No, he was talking about what a mistake it was appeasing Hitler in the beginning of WWII.

And how Normandy was sadly necessitated by that appeasement, and thus represented the failure of that approach, since Hitler was not stopped before he caused massive bloodshed. He was on CBS' Face the Nation trying to make the point that appeasement won't work for Putin regarding Ukraine either, but doing it in his usual poorly worded way. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143254209

[Deep State Witch]

54. Idiot

Lindsay needs to read a fucking history book.

[SunSeeker]

61. So you disagree with Lindsey that we shouldn't appease Putin? nt

[wryter2000]

152. IMHO, that doesn't make the invasion a failure

It achieved what it was supposed to. It should have been unnecessary is a better way to put it.

If he's talking anti-Putin and support for Ukraine, I'm with him.

[SunSeeker]

155. Of course he should have put it that way. It was a stupid gaff. nt

[Owl]

40. How does this turd keep getting re-elected?

[colorado_ufo]

41. What a terrible human being.

Especially since he masquerades as a reasonable man. I think if John McCain were alive, he would be tempted to kick him in the nuts.

[twodogsbarking]

43. It was a failure for the Nazis. Hmmm.

Perspective?

[AllaN01Bear]

44. snork

[Bluethroughu]

45. Lindsey is a gross human.

Vote him out of office South Carolina.

[surfered]

46. This brain worm problem may be more widespread than we thought.

[TexLaProgressive]

47. Another reason I am glad that my Dad left this world w/o witnessing the stupidity of the last 10 years.

The invasion of Normandy by the allies could only be called a failure if the beaches were not secured, but they were. So that Dad and the others could make their way across France, Belgium and Germany. I have never had much good to say about Lindsey Graham, but I never thought he was this stupid.

My Dad and Grandfathers were anti Facsist and Democratic voters to the core. Dad would vote for them and then complain about their ineptitude, but would never consider voting for a Republicans. He and my grandfathers were FDR Democrats to the core.

Dad would be close to stroking out from the things the pukesent party espouses.

[58Sunliner]

48. Disgraceful. Armchair general spouting Russian talking points.

Throw him to the wolves.

[TBF]

50. WTAF is wrong w/this guy? Seriously. Now republicans are against democracy?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised with Trump envisioning himself as some sort of reincarnated Hitler ...

[reACTIONary]

51. Transcript of his remarks....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-senator-south-carolina-face-the-nation-transcript-06-09-2024/

SEN. TOMMY TUBERVILLE (R-AL): [Putin] doesn't want Ukraine. He doesn't want Europe. Hell, he- he's got enough land of his own. He just wants to make sure that he does not have United States weapons in Ukraine pointing at Moscow.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Those echo some Russian talking points. Senator, I- I wonder if those remarks from your fellow Senator represent the GOP?

SEN. GRAHAM: No, it represents him and him alone. If you spent 15 minutes studying Putin and what he wants, he wants to re- recreate the Russian Empire. He's not going to stop in Ukraine. We celebrated the 80th anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the unnecessary war, described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen chances to stop Hitler. It's not about NATO. It's not about American weapons in Ukraine. It's about a megalomaniac wanting to create the Russian Empire by force of arms. If you don't stop him, there goes Taiwan. So we've been slow as hell of helping Ukraine, but Senator Tuberville's analysis really misses what Putin's all about. He's an outlier, I think, in the Republican Party.

[SunSeeker]

56. Thank you. We have tons of reasons to bash Lindsey, but this isn't it.

When our opponents agree with us, which is what Lindsey is doing here with regard to Putin, we should not bash them over it by picking at a poorly stated sentence. It is obvious what he meant. He did not mean D-Day was a failure in terms of achieving the goals of that particular military operation.

He was trying to say how Normandy was sadly necessitated by the appeasement of Hitler at the beginning of WWII, and thus represented the failure of that approach, since Hitler was not stopped before he caused massive bloodshed. Lindsey was on CBS' Face the Nation trying to make the point that appeasement won't work for Putin regarding Ukraine either, but doing it in his usual poorly worded way. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143254209

[niyad]

125. Thank you for that part of the transcript. Rather than attack him for the D-Day

comment, I am going to point out that he is completely off the mark about potatohead being an "outlier". tommy IS the gqp these days, and leningrad lindsey knows it.

[barbtries]

52. i'll probably die

wondering what dirt trump has on this guy.

i hate republicans

[Jaydog]

60. WOW

Lindsey is a world-class asshole.

[tavernier]

62. Has anyone ever considered that the Republicans may have been given injections

of some kind, unbeknownst to them, that would account for the ability to lose all sense of things they vehemently stood for months or years earlier? I know that sounds very science-fiction and tinfoil hat, but think about how many of them completely flipped their values and beliefs, almost instantly. Perhaps a mind power drug of some kind? Ex - “Trump is crazy” … five minutes in Oval Office… “Trump is God”.

I’m seriously starting to wonder!

[jobendorfer]

63. Wow. That's pretty out there.

I have a map, here at home, that shows the progress allied forces made from D-Day forward to the end of the war.
By the 15th of September, if we disregard small pockets of German forces in Brittany and along the channel coast,
the Wehrmacht had been pushed all the way across France to the German border. In other words, at something
like 100 days after the landings, France was for all practical purposes liberated. I'm sure the French were pretty
happy with this "failure."

If there was *any* failure in the Overlord operation, and this is pretty small beans in my humble opinion, there
was no contigency plan for "what if the operation is TOO successful?" The allied advance ground to a halt at the end
of September because the logistical supply line that stretched from Normandy all the way across France couldn't
get gas and ammunition up to the front lines fast enough. The was the result of two factors: first, the allies bombing
the bejeezus out of the French rail system to keep the Germans from using it for their own supply chain, and two,
nobody on the allied side thought they would reach the German border until D+330.

Lindsay Graham is an ignoramus. He's far from the only one in politics, but this is just so over the top I felt I
set out a few facts. Here is an umbrella page on Overlord at Wikipedia, you can spider out from there to read
about the rest of the European campaign of 1944-45: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord.

[OAITW r.2.0]

64. Graham's comments may indeed be correct, that D-Day would have unnecessary had we dealt with Hitler in the mid-30's

But that simply underscores how Trump is appeasing Putin, willingly, to set the table for another war in Europe.

[atreides1]

89. Okay

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/american-isolationism

During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism

In the wake of the World War I, a report by Senator Gerald P. Nye, a Republican from North Dakota, fed this belief by claiming that American bankers and arms manufacturers had pushed for U.S. involvement for their own profit.

As tensions rose in Europe over Nazi Germany’s aggressive maneuvers, Congress pushed through a series of Neutrality Acts, which served to prevent American ships and citizens from becoming entangled in outside conflicts. Roosevelt lamented the restrictive nature of the acts, but because he still required Congressional support for his domestic New Deal policies, he reluctantly acquiesced.



Considering how Americans felt about getting involved in another War, especially after the losses suffered from WWI with nothing being gained, I don't believe that we had the capability to deal with Hitler in the mid-30's.

Graham like many of his kind are living in his own personal wet dream and he needs to show his orange master that his loyalty is complete!

[Shipwack]

116. Hindsight is 20/20. nt

[The Unmitigated Gall]

65. Misty Vapor's sad attempt at nazi gaslighting. nt

[Ford_Prefect]

66. How does he say that without the Russian accent?

Vlad's trolls have filled the Q-verse with this kind of baloney. The MAGA lap it up as if it were Chemtrails in a cup.

[Jilly_in_VA]

67. Unbelievable

For someone who served, even if he was only a JAG, to say that. Strip him of his rank and throw him out, "less than honorable" discharge.

[anamnua]

68. In fairness to Graham

(not a man I admire, I hasten to add) I think he was trying to make the point that if Hitler had been stopped in his tracks in 1936-1938 WW2 would never have happened.

[harumph]

70. well then, he should probably be telling Trump that re: Putin

[Autumn]

83. He can't. He's too busy appeasing the Hitler wannabe, Trump

[B.See]

71. Graham: yet another fine, upstanding Reich wing 'American patriot. "

[Warpy]

74. I wonder if anyone asked that twit about those dozen chances to stop Hitler

and why a completely neutral US would have done that, especially since it would have been against the wishes of his adoring fans on Wall Street.

I would also like to know his deinition of "failure." Were they supposed to liberate all of France in a day, or were they supposed to neutralize enough German defenses to be able to secure a beachead and bring heavy armor ashore? They did the latter. Liberating France was a slog but D Day was the first step of it.

Oh, and Lindsey? Why haven't you retired in disgrace yet? Will you retire when TFG loses again, or are your lips so thoroughly welded to his arse that you'll only retire feet first, dead on the altar of your Lard and Savior?

Not that I expect much better from SC, but really.

[Autumn]

75. D-Day was "a failure", it was an unnessacary war.

Fuck that son of a bitch.

[onenote]

92. His point was that Hitler should have been stopped. It was his way of arguing that Putin needs to be stopped

Inartfully done, but he was attempting to rebut Tuberville and the pro-Putin wing of the repubs who don't think Putin is a threat to other parts of Europe. His point being that just as some people didn't take Hitler's threat seriously and it led to a world wide conflict, some people don't take Putin seriously and he needs to be stopped now.

[Autumn]

98. Fuck him and his worthless appeasing of his Hitler wannabe Trump. The only people who don't

take Putin seriously are his fucking republicans.

[FarPoint]

77. Why in the hell does the TV media stations continue to give these assholes airtime?

When these political congressional scumbags say such offensive, disrespectful statements....we end up responding....we don't approve....yet nothing changes.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

79. Lindsey Graham is a weak and sad person

[Deuxcents]

81. We commemorate D Day for the immense sacrifices made that day in June, 1944

It was one event of many we honor the heroes from a World War. It didn’t “win” the war that day but to say it was a failure is a disgrace to the millions of people who fought, served died or survived fighting a madman and his ideology for world domination. He needs to get straight and retire

[c-rational]

86. Lindsey's greater purpose may be to undermine the belief in collaborative effort to achieve good.

whenever I reead one onf these nonsensicle statements I wonder what bullshit are they trying to sow, and for what nefarious purpose, e.g., undermine faith in the system. They need to be beaten, and soundly.

[MOMFUDSKI]

88. Lindsay will do/say anything to prevent clown

from using the words gay and Graham in the same paragraph. His fear of officially being outed is monstrous. Come out of your closet and get that clown monkey off your back.

[Silent Type]

90. Graham picked the wrong day for this; however, he is correct that we should have stopped Hitler

long before his troops were in France, etc., and close to invading UK.

[Emile]

94. Lindsey Graham is a failure as a senator.

[hadEnuf]

95. The D-Day failure remark seems very out of place in his comment.

You don't call the enormous push and sacrifices made on D-Day that were to CORRECT any appeasement of Hitler in the 1930"s, "a failure". That makes no sense and has no bearing on any previous appeasements 7 or 8 years earlier.

Unless of course the phrase was meant to be a dog whistle of some sort.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

96. He was a JAG lawyer

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You know writing wills and crap for the real soldiers. Both of my grandparents would kick your ass Lindsey except they are already buried with honors in the military sections of their cemeteries. I hope you do have the same honor, you don't deserve it, you coward

[Blue Idaho]

97. Is there a GOP. Competition

To see which jackass can tell the most despicable inhumane lie each week?

[SarahD]

104. Possible motives.

I can think of several reasons for such a deranged statement, and each one is worse than the next. The hatred must go pretty deep.to make him say such a thing publicly. Perhaps he just wants to bask in the backlash and hateful comments. It's a common tactic of the Reich Wing to say something stupid and play the victim when somebody calls it out as stupid.

[Traurigkeit]

105. That whiny poor excuse of a Senator should get 40 lashes with a 9 tails.

He couldn't lick the boots of those men that knew they WERE going to get killed but went anyway.

[Torchlight]

106. Words chosen so poorly as to be without a rational defense.

Given the hodge-podge of nounds, verbs, and and adverbs, pretty sure he'll go away thinking himself so very clever, "I get to tell people I meant whatever sounds best upon telling them" when all really he did was look like nothing else other than an ignorant boob.

[Sibelius Fan]

111. I guess that explains why we're all speaking German...

[Jacson6]

112. This confirms that all of the Republican Party think that Military Service members were all suckers.

Just like what Trump said. I'm a US Army veteran and every time I go to the VA for healthcare there are older veterans that wear Trump hats and gear. They don't realize that the Republicans hate them. IMHO.

[magicarpet]

113. Lindsey the warmonger likes to pontificate about sharing his battle plans and fighting all those brutal wars.wars

Although I don't think he has spent one day in combat. Just sharpening pencils and shuffling papers as a JAG.

He does this battle plan and war diatribe routine because he feel like a he man five star general - like General Eisenhower and General George Patton both rolled into one.

I'll bet in the privacy of his own home he dresses up in his olive green army uniform and marches around the dinning room table with one of the old wooden military rifles with a bayonet, while toying with the idea of being a honest to goodness killer military sniper soldier or some macho manly thing.

[keithbvadu2]

126. Like Ted Nugent

[magicarpet]

146. Ya just like him,...

What out world,... I'm a fire breathing gladiator.

Excuse me while I go poop my pants so I don't have to go serve my country while under combat. Skip the toilet and the toilet paper,.. I'll take a dump right in my pants. I would rather just stink the recruiting office up to prove I am not qualified to serve my countries military.

Not that I'm a sissy fraidy cat or somthin. I'm an alpha male macho man with hundreds upon hundreds of high powered sniper guns and such.

[liberal N proud]

114. Time to fire off another letter to this idiot.

[patphil]

115. The liberation of Europe and the fall of Hitler was a failure?

Are you kidding me?
What does Lindsey Graham consider a success?
Hitler establishes a 1000 year Reich, and we find ourselves isolated as a Democratic nation after WW2?
Where would we be now?
Would we still exist as a Democratic nation?

Lindsey Graham says a lot of stupid things, but this is the absolutely stupidest thing he has ever said.
And yet, here he is, a US Senator with a big mouth and a brain with a vacancy sign on it.

[maspaha]

117. Well that explains that noise I've been hearing all day

…it’s the sound of John McCain spinning in his grave

Lord, oh Lord, please, please reveal the dirt Trump has on Lindsay Graham

[Mysterian]

118. Today's republican party is more like the nazis than the brave troops who gained the beachhead

Graham is the personification of cowardice and evil.

[yardwork]

120. What.

I can't even.

[krkaufman]

121. "we had a dozen chances to stop Hitler"

Graham showing zero recognition of the irony In saying “we had a dozen chances to stop Hitler” … given his repeated missed chances to stop Trump or even hold Trump minimally accountable.

[republianmushroom]

122. Leningrad Lindsey has had his head up the convicted felon ex-president's ass for so long,

with out oxygen he is now suffering brain dead.

[spanone]

123. I'd like John McCain to return from the dead just to kick Lindsey's pathetic ass.

[Lulu KC]

124. Huh?

Call the neurologist, Lindsey.

[keithbvadu2]

127. Lindsey, how long have you 'known' that D-Day was a failure?

How many years have you been saying this?

Speak up! As you ridicule those who sacrificed for our country.


.

[RockRaven]

128. Well, his political party IS full of fascists, so...

if one (for some deranged reason) revises the goals of D-Day away from their stated and documented ones available in primary, secondary, and tertiary sources to anyone who bothers to seek them out into "eliminating fascism from the face of the Earth for all time in just one day" then I guess he's right...

[4lbs]

129. Yup, a failure. That's why there were hundreds of thousands of allied troops in Normandy on June 7.

It was a total failure.

The German forces won. Yup, that's why Hitler killed himself a year later in that bunker.

[Oneironaut]

130. I think he meant that the war itself was a failure of allowing Hitler to stay in power, but, it's still equally stupid.

Of all times to do the, “We could have had peace, but, instead we failed and chose war!’ thing, it isn’t really apt for Hitler’s aggression in Europe. War is inevitable when fascists like Hitler or Drumpf get into power and become delusional.

[Blue Owl]

133. How nice he took a moment from licking Nazi-loving tRump's toilet to tell us that

Now get back to work Lindsey

[Paladin]

134. Low-life piece of shit. (nt)

[dawn5651]

139. i do believe that grahams brain, that he had when he was hanging out with

john mccain has turned in to orange mush now that he is hanging with the orange asshole. he disrespects the 2,501 american lives lost and the 1,913 lives lost were british and french...lindsay graham can shut his mouth. every one of those men had families and a lot of those men were very young.

[Orrex]

142. And vets still line up to eat the shit straight out of their asses

Yes, yes. Not all veterans. I know. I'm not talking about the sensible ones.

[liberal N proud]

143. As a South Carolina resident, I fired off a message

Telling how shameful it was that he showed disrespect to the men who fought on D-Day.
Gave him a piece of my mind. I am sure he will never see it, but some staff member will see it and probably even send of a canned response

[calimary]

147. O. M. G.

How does this idiot jerk-ass keep getting reelected?

It has to be sad: who you vote for says A LOT about you. And, unfortunately, his supporters’ preferences tell you all you need to know.

[SupportSanity]

148. If you are on the side of Nazis, and you wanted the Nazis to win, yes, D-Day was an absolute failure.

Who are ya rootin' for, Lindsey?

The right wing populists agree with you, right?

I love it when the right wing populist crazies spout their truth. They expect the rest of the world to believe it. It's true because THEY say it?

You gotta be afraid of any critical thinking, Lindsay!

[SupportSanity]

150. Linsey says that Hitler should've been assasinated. There were a dozen attempts. No war if Hitler had been assasinated.

Over a dozen attempts on Hitler's life. No one was able to assasinate Hitler.

Books written. A movie made about it.

Lindsey knows, that if he was the one who had been sent on one of those missions, he would've been successful. Then no more Hitler.
And then no need for a war.

Again, who's side are you on, Lindsey?

[wryter2000]

153. It's not like people didn't try

Putin should be assassinated, but that isn't US foreign policy.

[NoMoreRepugs]

154. Lindsey is a tool - that's a given. Phootie is the de facto head of the Republican Party- a given.

That DU would parse Lindsey’s comments down to the subatomic level - another given.

[PeaceWave]

156. What kind of employee benefits do you get when you're on Putin's payroll?

[Kaleva]

158. Anyone have a link to what he said in entirety?