He's NOT a convicted felon

[orangecrush]

If the restrictions and conditions that apply to every other convicted felon don't apply to him.

Liberty and justice for all who can afford it.

[onenote]

1. Which restrictions and conditions apply to "every other convicted felon"?

I'm going to guess that you haven't read the rules governing pre-sentencing interviews and have no experience with them.

[gab13by13]

5. Will he be asked if he pals around with criminals like,

Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and one of his advisors Steve Bannon?

If he does pal around with criminals will that make a bit of difference for TSF?

[onenote]

6. He might be. Or he might not be. It's not required.

The law gives the interviewing probation official latitude in deciding what to ask, and the respondent has no obligation to answer any question, or even participate.

Here's how the law describes the interview subjects:
The investigation. The pre-sentence investigation consists of the
gathering of information with respect to the circumstances attending the
commission of the offense, the defendant's history of delinquency or
criminality, and the defendant's social history, employment history,
family situation, economic status, education, and personal habits. Such
investigation may also include any other matter which the agency
conducting the investigation deems relevant to the question of sentence,
and must include any matter the court directs to be included.

So, back to my question: which conditions that apply to "every" convicted felon don't apply to Trump.

[malaise]

8. Serious question - can they play this? 😂 😂😂

the defendant's history of delinquency orcriminality, and the defendant's social history, employment history, family situation,

Link to tweet

[onenote]

10. Again, who is "they"?

[malaise]

12. The probation peeps

Iam joking😀

[Ping Tung]

11. I'm 80 years old. Over the years I''ve seen many politicat ads. This one is easily

the most brilliant.

[malaise]

13. Agree

😂

[malaise]

25. With all the I believes in there we should call it

The MAGAt Creed😀

[gab13by13]

14. Spot on malaise

If the investigation is supposed to investigate TSF's history of criminality, FFS, that's how he made his money, palling around with mobsters and oligarchs laundering money for them.

The only legitimate job he had was his TV show. The Apprentice.

The entire world knows TSF's history and it will not play a role in his sentencing.

[malaise]

15. You forgot his other job's scanning gossip columns

to see who he could expose, bully or threaten.

[dmr]

19. That was too funny, malaise.

I didn't think he'd ever stop with his

"... I don't believe ..."

Because TFG has got a lot more bad things under his belt, but I guess that Grand Rapids' fellow had to stop somewhere.

This ought be in its own thread.

[malaise]

23. There were a few on Saturday - I stole it

😀.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Do you have a link to the video?

[malaise]

31. Will search for it when I return home

[malaise]

35. Here

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Thanks! OK, it's a fake, but funny and sad at the same time. . . . nt

[NJCher]

22. Here's what Andrew Weissman says about that:

MSNBC Legal analyst Andrew Weissmann emphasizes Trump will be asked about whether he is associating with criminals during his probation meeting. That includes Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Steve Bannon. - Aired on 06/09/2024.

Above is copied from Rhiannon's post, entitled 'It's sort of remarkable': Weissmann reveals key question Trump will be asked by probation officer - Inside w/Jen Psaki

[RANDYWILDMAN]

2. he should face all the misery

every other felon has to face and then some

[onenote]

16. Not every felon faces the same "misery."

I find it hard to believe you think that's the case.
The rules give judges considerable leeway in sentencing, including the pre-sentencing process. There is a separate 110 page manual governing the sentencing and pre-sentencing process for DWI cases, to give just one example.

[orange jar]

3. He was convicted of felonious charges.

He is a convicted felon regardless of potential sentencing.

[orangecrush]

17. Yeah

He gets to do a Zoom meeting for his pre sentence interview.

Sounds perfectly legit to me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Big deal, not. I bet it has happened before which is why it was offered. How about answering question 1?

If a zoom call is all you got on restrictions and conditions, you got nothin'.

How about taking another go at answering onenote's question posed in post 1, which you have not replied to.

Can you provide links or evidence of tRump not being a convicted felon?
Can you provide links or evidence of tRump's restrictions and conditions that make him privileged in the eyes of the court?

Do you even know his restrictions and conditions?

[gab13by13]

26. Onenote never answered the question

about TSF palling around with criminals. Criminal Steve Bannon is one of his advisors. Will he be penalized in any way because he hangs with criminals? Seriously does anyone believe that when he is sentenced the judge will say, based on information gathered at the sentencing hearing that you run around with criminals I must sentence you to home confinement.

The criteria that is supposed to be used at today's hearing will be ignored for TSF, how do I know that? History.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. He did, in post 6, in reply to you

(emphasis added)

He might be. Or he might not be. It's not required.
Reply to gab13by13 (Reply #5)
Sun Jun 9, 2024, 09:38 PM

The law gives the interviewing probation official latitude in deciding what to ask, and the respondent has no obligation to answer any question, or even participate.

{ read more at post 6 }

[gab13by13]

30. Here's the rest of what you posted that onenote posted

Here's how the law describes the interview subjects:
The investigation. The pre-sentence investigation consists of the
gathering of information with respect to the circumstances attending the
commission of the offense, the defendant's history of delinquency or
criminality, and the defendant's social history, employment history,
family situation, economic status, education, and personal habits. Such
investigation may also include any other matter which the agency
conducting the investigation deems relevant to the question of sentence,
and must include any matter the court directs to be included.

I am reading that according to onenote the questioning involves ", the defendant's history of delinquency or
criminality."

My question still stands. Based on what onenote posted about what will be asked, will TSF be asked about his palling around with criminals? I understand that question may be a rhetorical question since we all know he does pal around with criminals. So if one of the guidelines that is used for sentencing is about this subject, will his sentence be adversely affected because he pals around with criminals and based on history I say he won't be penalized.

Waiting for an answer from onenote because I respect his opinions and knowledge.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. onenote answered it. The answer is nobody knows. It's in post 6

1. Nobody knows because it might not even happen. tRump is not required to attend. As onenote says.

2. Nobody knows because the question is not required. As onenote says.

3. Nobody knows because the questioning is the officer's choice. As onenote says.

Technically, the officer may have already decided one way or another, but effectively that means nobody knows. Further, it all depends on #1, which nobody knows except perhaps tRump and a few close associates and that is also "nobody knows".

Nobody knows.

[gab13by13]

33. No disrespect but I would rather onenote tell me that his answer is no one knows.

I was told for 3 years that no one knows what DOJ does behind the scenes because it doesn't leak, well it turns out that DOJ was doing next to nothing. DOJ has convicted one person in TSF's inner circle in nearly 3 1/2 years. The states are picking up the slack.

DOJ convicted Peter Navarro for ignoring a subpoena, that's it.

Just my opinion but onenote gave examples of questions that are normally asked and if the question is not asked about TSF running around with criminals then whoever does the questioning is not doing his/her job.

[bdamomma]

29. Yes

in the comfort of mar la loco. He should go back to NY, and present himself to the Probation Officer!!!!!!

[FakeNoose]

4. We won't know until July 11th

Chump is a convicted felon, but he's getting special concessions for the moment.
Those could all go away in about 1 month's time.

[NJCher]

21. what special concessions do you mean?

that he's doing it on Zoom?

[orangecrush]

39. Yup

[Beachnutt]

7. Equal justice under the law...

So much for that.

[Ping Tung]

9. He is a conviceted felon who has yet to even begin paying his price to humanity.

[DoBW]

18. Trump was informed of a pending cavity search

and said "bullshit, I have the best teeth in the world. Nobody has teeth as good as mine"

[malaise]

24. Too good

😂

[gab13by13]

34. Let's cut to the chase

Andrew Weissmann said, I heard him, that TSF should be asked if he hangs with criminals. Weissmann also stated, I heard him, that if TSF does not answer questions he is asked then the person doing the questioning is allowed to draw an adverse inference from the non-answer.

The fact that TSF hangs around with criminals should be a consideration used in his sentencing, that is what I am trying to get across, but knowing TSF I doubt that it will be used against him because people fear TSF.

[onenote]

36. Weissman knows federal law and process. Not New York State law and process.

Trump will not be asked if he "hang out" with criminals as part of the pre-sentencing process. I've checked with my law firm's New York office white collar criminal specialists and they have confirmed. It is not, and will not, factor into the sentencing recommendation. If he's sentenced to probation, he may be subject to a restriction on associating with those engaged in criminal activity.

[republianmushroom]

38. Agree, but, with our two-tier justice system in play the game changes.

If, you are wealthy the hidden rules come into play and the game is different.

As per, 40 months and counting (including foot dragging)
Anybody else with stolen doc's in their bathroom would be sitting in a jail cell.

[Emile]

40. Are all parole hearings done online now?

[orangecrush]

41. No

They are not.