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Whoever condones or tolerates this is not a Progressive, or a Liberal. And certainly not a Democrat.
marble falls
(71,932 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)marble falls
(71,932 posts)SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)sboatcar
(850 posts)Someone trying to label the free palestine movement as being all terrorists.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)The flags of Hamas and other terrorist organizations were flown by anti-Israel protesters outside the Nova massacre exhibit in New York City on Monday, according to footage published by organizers and an NGO.
The flags of Hamas's Izz al-Din Qassam Brigade, Hezbollah, and alleged Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine subsidiary Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network as Within Our Lifetime were unfurled, and protest organizer Nerdeen Kiswani described the massacre exhibit as "nothing more than Zionist propaganda."
"Zionists decided to rave next to a concentration camp; that's exactly what this music festival was, like having a rave right next to the gas chambers during the Holocaust," Kiswani said in a video published by NGO Stop Antisemitism.
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As participants marched through Wall Street with the Hezbollah and Al-Qassam flags in plain view, one sign could be seen in a WOL video that said, "Zionists are not Jews and not humans."
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-805823
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Jew-Hater Nerdeen Kiswani's profile on Canary Mission.
https://canarymission.org/individual/Nerdeen_Kiswani
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)I won't be surprised if it has happened and I haven't seen it (sometimes things are real, even if I haven't personally seen them); only surprised that it hasn't happened...yet!
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)It is not the whole movement but it is not a mere handful as some wish was the case.
There is another video going around with a street of over a thousand of these people calling the attack on the Nova festival "Zionist propaganda" and cheering the Hamas actions of October 7
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)marble falls
(71,932 posts)... in the US, just petty property criminals and traffic violators.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)The irony is they're demonstrating in support of Hamas, which does not believe in civil rights.
marble falls
(71,932 posts)... in a democracy. Prisoners of conscience are Americans, too. And a lot of them are Democrats. It is hard to wrap ones mind around there's more outrage over traffic tickets (accepting that being arrested is part of deal) causes more outrage than our tax dollars being used to kill women and children.
IDF overkill and a practice of killing them all and comitting to one god or another to sort them all out in Gaza is going to recruit more Hezbollah and Hamas than ever.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)This is not a lunch counter sit-in to protest Jim Crow lunch counter segregation laws. These are not civil rights demonstrators. They're terrorist sympathizers blocking a New York street. They can wave their hate flag from the sidewalk. They don't need to block streets to make their point.
Hamas is who is getting women and children killed. Why can't you wrap your head around that?
Deflecting blame from Hamas helps Hamas recruitment.
AnrothElf
(923 posts)LeftInTX
(34,296 posts)My speech is free!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yee-hah...
Let's overtake Lebanon. Let's treat the Palestinians in Lebanon like s____ (which they do). It's a Shia-Sunni thing.
Hezbollah is not pro-Palestinian. It's a Lebanese anti-Israel terror group.
Hezbollah has nothing to do with Palestinians and everything to do with Israel.
Why is Hezbollah a Democratic principle? With the exception of support for Hamas, what does it have to do with Gaza?
Do you even know how Lebanon treats Palestinians?

brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Traffic has been blocked since 9/11.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Just like the Nazis in South Dakota.
The flag you march under identifies who you are, be it Nazi or terrorist. I believe being a Nazi or terrorist is incompatible being a progressive, liberal or Democrat. Wouldn't you agree?
marble falls
(71,932 posts)... by only the flag you carry? Can you be only represented by more than one flag? What flag represents you?
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)And there have not been "30,000 non Hamas dead in Gaza." That is Hamas Ministry of Health propaganda. The Ministry's alleged death totals do not distinguish between Hamas and "non Hamas," let alone between civilians and fighters/collaborators, like the now dead "journalist" who kept the 3 Israelis hostage in his apartment.
marble falls
(71,932 posts)This Viet Cong flag must offend you, too


And they're blocking the sidewalks.

Where are the thought police? It's an outrage!!!

Here they are. They got their clubs, why aren't they beating some American's head in????

Why aren't those cops writing tickets and hauling them a way? Some people need to get through to K-Mart or to a job they loathe.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Link to tweet
The Vietnam demonstrations stopped when the draft ended in 1973. During the 1968 presidential election, Richard Nixon campaigned on a promise to end the draft.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In%20the%20realm%20of%20policy,fight%20in%20it%20was%20gone.
marble falls
(71,932 posts)... and is the basis of most of the first 10 amendments. Like free speech, free press, religious freedom.
That kid with the Hamas and Hesbollah flag is as committed to those factions as was all those yippee, SDS provocateurs waving the NVA and North Viet Namese flags. And so the flock what? Democracy is a meesy thing and I love it. Fascism is much neater. Where do you stand?
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Link to tweet
Hostage taking is not speech. Blocking traffic is not speech. There was no prior restraint here. These anti-semitic idiots were committing crimes instead of peacefully, legally demonstrating on the sidewalk.
sboatcar
(850 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)simply is a display of Southern heritage... right
If they are supporting Palestinians, how about carrying the Palestinian flag?
Not sure why this is suddenly about me but I'll answer anyway:
I will not march beside the Swastika, any Confederate banner not the flag of any terrorist organization.
YMMV
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,725 posts)Poor attempt at what-aboutism.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)I was illustrating a flag is more than a piece of cloth.
Just as the racism cannot be separated from the Confederate flag, the antisemitism cannot be ignored in the Hezbollah flag.
We do have people defending a terrorist flag.
IMO marching with the flag of Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS... is no different than march with the flags of the Confederacy or Third Reich. I will believe those who march under those banners agree with all they represent.
Again, YMMV
mcar
(46,058 posts)Now it's "30,000 non Hamas?" Prove it.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)For some months, a person new to English might easily conclude 'Innocent Palestinians' was one word, they being so inseparably twined in general usage.
And of course Israel kills only women and children, I mean, duh, what part of GENOCIDE! don't you understand?
And long life to the freedom fighters, whom the bombs never, never ever, ever, hit....
mcar
(46,058 posts)a crowded market. That is Israel committing genocide too, somehow.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)So you tell me: why did Israel really launch this 'rescue mission', hmmmm?
I think the answer is obvious....
mcar
(46,058 posts)and tragic.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)War being itself immoral, consisting in the attempt by violence to impose your will on another, it is pointless to quibble about moral concerns within the conduct of war. Things advance a belligerent's aim, or they do not. It may be useful to achieving its aim for a belligerent to behave in some ways, such a treatment of prisoners or care for safety of enemy non-combatants, as a virtuous man engaged in a virtuous pursuit would be expected to act. But it's a simulacrum of virtue, not the actual stuff: clemency rather than mercy. And often the opposite conclusion is drawn, that atrocity is just the thing that can secure the aim of the exercise. The only thing that 'justifies' the cruelties of war is achievement of the aim, and that only in the eyes of the victor and friends. To fail in achieving the aim by violence is the sole sin available....
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)Doesn't mean you are free from.judgments by other.
I'm going to keep an eye trained on responses to the Nazi and Confederate flag being flown in America.
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization on par with the KKK. Its intent is to intimidate and strike fear.
Now I know where all.of the BLM non-black activists have went. I knew they were full.of shit and they weren't really with us.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)I haven't seen a post which has denied the terrorist supporters their right to carry their flags. The criticism of those carrying the flags is falsely being equated with denial of free speech.
Ironically, the opposition to the right to criticize is advocating the abridgment of free speech...
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)They have every right to carry those flags, and others have every right to comment on and criticize what those flags represent.
Freedom of speech is not a one way street.
LeftInTX
(34,296 posts)AnrothElf
(923 posts)Puppy-Killer chased them off.
Here on DU, Hezbollah is apparently de rigueur.
marble falls
(71,932 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)marble falls
(71,932 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Coventina
(29,733 posts)AnrothElf
(923 posts)malaise
(296,118 posts)That is all
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Imposes no duty to agree on the audience, nor bars audience members from speaking their disagreement out loud.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)nor is it abridged by criticism of said speech.
THAT is all
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)everyone even at least pretending to be otherwise condemns the fuck out of them.
Same. Same.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)sheshe2
(97,633 posts)
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)to a stupid stunt like this.
Lucky for them, there are plenty of useful idiots to pick from.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)and cringe at all the things they get wrong. Real terrorists must see these cosplayers and
, muttering "That's NOT the way to do it, duh."
AnrothElf
(923 posts)I'll get to it in my series. Maybe I should post another, now.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)They look at these protesters and are, like, I grew up in a medieval religious fundamentalist terrorist controlled hellhole with no education or hope and even I'M not that stupid.
yagotme
(4,135 posts)Deflection from the real "cause". Camouflage. Red herring, etc.
AnrothElf
(923 posts)sheshe2
(97,633 posts)The mask is off. They have aligned themselves with terrorists and are not doing the people of Palestine any favors.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)chanting genocide Joe.
sheshe2
(97,633 posts)However I dont think they will be welcomed warmly by the police and the SS if the are waving a terrorist flag with an assault rifle on it.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)Look!-I'm-being-violently-oppressed-by-the-capitalist-police-state-for-no-reason drama online.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,645 posts)mopinko
(73,726 posts)they may try. but theyll meet a blue wall in riot gear.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)..cast your eyes down....thread.
littlemissmartypants
(33,590 posts)"No, it's a shameful joke"
Bottom line...
"Nanbel in the world of prayer, Mukalla"
Who was Nabal in the Bible?
Nabal is noteworthy for the brief interaction he had with David while David was on the run from King Saul. The account of David and Nabal is found in 1 Samuel 25. Nabal was from the clan of Caleb, and his name means foola fact that suggests Nabal may have been a nickname he earned by his harsh and evil behavior (verse 3, BSB). Nabal lived near the town of Maoen in the hill country of Judea and possessed thousands of sheep and goats that he pastured near Carmel. Nabal was extremely wealthy; however, his greatest asset was his beautiful and intelligent wife, Abigail.
Snip...more..
https://www.gotquestions.org/Nabal-in-the-Bible.html
Mukalla is a place in Yemen and the people there are in a world of hurt.
Read Mukalla's latest news here...
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/mukalla
LeftInTX
(34,296 posts)From Google Translate
فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون = The Party of Allah will prevail
المقاومة الإسلامية في لبنان = Islamic resistance in Lebanon
From Wikipedia
The text above the logo reads فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون (fa-inna ḥizba llāhi humu al-ġālibūna) and means "Then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant" (Quran 5:56), which is a reference to the name of the party. Underneath the logo are the words المقاومة الإسلامية في لبنان (al-muqāwamah al-islāmīyah fī lubnān), meaning "The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hezbollah
littlemissmartypants
(33,590 posts)Out of curiosity I went back and translated the bottom text again and got...
"We are proud of our families"
Something clearly isn't right!
Word by word, lower text...
"Resistance Islamic in Lebanon"
Upper text...
"The party God they the victors"
Isn't that interesting?
AI/ML has some work to do on its translation algos, imo.
I'd say that the symbolism outranks the translations hands down, though.
For anything definitive we probably need to hear directly from the flag's creator.
Thanks for your reply, LeftInTX.
TomDaisy
(2,120 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)What would it take to grab your attention then? Would a parade of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street do the trick?
sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)I don't know about NY, but in many States they would be 1st and 2nd amendment protected.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Condemnation of their acts is protected by the same 1st Amendment you are referring to.
And I am not sure how a flag of a foreign terrorist group being displayed on Wall treet is protected by the 2nd Amendment.
sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)"Would a parade of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street do the trick?"
I was commenting about a armed death to America group protest.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)I was asking the poster what would impress him beyond a "yawn", not the legality of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street.
sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)America is a sick society. I will die and leave it soon enough. Hopefully not at the hands angry mobs demanding that they alone are right, nor Nations similarly disposed.
I am challenging no one, but do have a point of view.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)we are both aware of it.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)But it is still hate speech.
And explicit support for a terrorist organization, which Hezbollah is, is grounds for revoking visas, and even green cards.
Deport their asses.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)I completely get the First Amendment right to do so and support that freedom as it is available even to despicable groups.
Maybe it is early, I don't see the 2nd connection. I don't believe anyone is open carrying at this rally. It would not be legal in NYC
sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)We can hate the message and the messengers but America seems to be unable to even try stopping public hate demonstrations, for the nation's own internal self protection.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)and agree, there are states it would be perfectly legal to open carry while carrying a terrorist flag.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)... then you shouldn't wonder why many of us consider it corrupt and compromised.
When I see crap like this, my sympathy for the cause drops to zero.
I still feel sympathy for the people being hurt, but these assholes? Fuck 'em. And if they are here on visa, deport them. Hezbollah is an enemy of the USA.
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)I think we know where they stand.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Beastly Boy
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SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)sheshe2
(97,633 posts)@nypdnews
told him to back off. Wow, these are my fellow New Yorkers. Freakin scary!!!!! Well you know what, I am a Loud and Proud Zionist! And I love
@Israel
and America. #AmYisraelChai!
@bringhomenow
#BringThemHomeNow
Cha
(319,079 posts)@nypdnews told him to back off.
Good On the POlice!
Mahalo, SunSeeker!
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)or perhaps deny what Hamas own videos confirm. And people are willing to defend this...
And before anyone accuses of wanting to silence terrorists, the 1st Amendment absolutely gives them the right to speak whatever they wish. It also gives me the right to criticize them and their message.
Cha
(319,079 posts)Cha
(319,079 posts)Link to tweet
While antisemitism was at the core of the Nazis ideology of hate, black people, Roma and Sinti people, gay people, physically and mentally disabled people among other groups were also under severe persecution. Owens spectacular achievements did little to change Nazi perceptions about black people. Policies directed against them many of whom had come from Germanys colonies in Africa were cruel and inhumane. Seen as subhuman, black people were marginalised socially and economically. But even with the shadow of Nazism hanging over them like a dark cloud, many found expression in art and music. All the same, Nazis condemned the influence of Negro culture on German art and music, calling it degenerate and racially alien.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/27/black-people-were-hitlers-victims-too-that-must-not-be-forgotten
Polybius
(21,901 posts)obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)Botany
(77,324 posts). cant help you.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)but my sense of smell is refined enough to also detect a distinct whiff of old-fashioned antisemitism in it too.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)They may be brought to greater prominence by aid of some 'hidden hand', but the raw material provides itself, it needs no persuasion.
"Idealists setting forth from their ivory towers head straight for the gutter."
sop
(18,626 posts)individual or a small group are attributed to the general population. You seem to do that a lot.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)we may not have to go any further into the speculations about me doing it a lot.
sop
(18,626 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Botany
(77,324 posts)
. our media it is now President Bidens fault that the two parties dont get along.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)In fact, it appear to be the underlying reason for the performative outrage.
Cha
(319,079 posts)mcar
(46,058 posts)Link to tweet
The callousness, dehumanization, and targeting of Jews on display at last nights protest outside the Nova Festival exhibit was atrocious antisemitism - plain and simple.
Antisemitism has no place in our city nor any broader movement that centers human dignity and liberation.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)AOC isn't making excuses
EllieBC
(3,639 posts)I will definitely give her kudos for this.
The rest of the squad is probably not happy.