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A terrorist Hesbollah flag over Wall Street (Original Post) Beastly Boy Jun 2024 OP
Oh please. Freedom of speech. marble falls Jun 2024 #1
Is this sarcasm? Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #2
Apparently, it isn't. I had no idea there were so many Hamas lovers and terror supporters among us. SoFlaBro Jun 2024 #15
I didn't realize there were so many thought policepersons among us. marble falls Jun 2024 #27
"Policepersons"?! No, we believe in the rule of law, don't you? nt SunSeeker Jun 2024 #32
I feel like its a plant sboatcar Jun 2024 #67
It's not a "plant". It's vile anti-Semite Nerdeen Kiswani of Within Our Lifetime. lapucelle Jun 2024 #94
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time Hekate Jun 2024 #104
How far away are we from seeing, "Nova Festival was a false flag!" or "It was nothing but crisis actors!"? Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #111
Sometimes the shoe fits. BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #96
Certainly not the entire movement but waaaaay too many Hamas friendly participants for my fucking comfort. SoFlaBro Jun 2024 #97
Face reality sarisataka Jun 2024 #99
... BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #95
They're blocking a street. That's illegal. nt SunSeeker Jun 2024 #4
Because traffic law trumps (irony) ciivil rights. Is that a Democratic principle? We have no political prisoners ... marble falls Jun 2024 #28
You don't need to block streets to exercise your civil rights. Camping is not speech. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #31
Civil disobediance is as American as the Revolution and apple pie. It's how thought and actions gets tested ... marble falls Jun 2024 #34
Civil disobedience is for when a law is unjust. These idiots are not the victims of an unjust law. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #35
Not civil disobedience. AnrothElf Jun 2024 #105
I guess Hezbollah is a Democratic principle??? YMMV LeftInTX Jun 2024 #117
No. This is a pedestrian plaza. brooklynite Jun 2024 #53
They blocked people from leaving the exhibit hall and basically held them hostage. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #55
Yes,freedom of speech. They certainly can do this sarisataka Jun 2024 #5
Flags are flags. What flag represents the outrage of over 30,000 non Hamas dead in Gaza. Are you represented ... marble falls Jun 2024 #29
They're demonstrating to the wrong people. Hamas refusing to surrender is causing the deaths. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #33
Right. The UN says different. ... marble falls Jun 2024 #38
They are not opposing an unjust draft. These idiots are protesting a memorial for Israeli dead. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #44
So who gets to chose what issue is "correct"? Ever hear of the prohibition on prior restraint? It's in the Constitution marble falls Jun 2024 #49
Their speech was not restrained. They blocked people from leaving the exhibit hall and basically held them hostage. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #52
I feel like the sad truth is that both sides are lying about most things there sboatcar Jun 2024 #69
I pity the fools who choose the flag of a terrorist Iranian proxy to represent themselves. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #40
And the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia sarisataka Jun 2024 #60
I don't think you're going find many if any on DU defending the Confederate flag Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2024 #103
I did not claim anyone was defending the Confederate flag sarisataka Jun 2024 #108
Ah, I see the spin has changed mcar Jun 2024 #74
That's Always Been The Line The Magistrate Jun 2024 #79
And when Hamas opened fire in mcar Jun 2024 #100
Hey, If They'd Just Left Those Captives In Durance Vile, Those Innocent Palestinians Would Be Alive The Magistrate Jun 2024 #101
The absurdity of it all is staggering mcar Jun 2024 #102
Some Of It Is a Sort Of Catagory Error, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2024 #107
Freedom of speech JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #84
Exactly, freedom to speech does not include freedom from criticism. Despite the claims, sarisataka Jun 2024 #85
EXACTLY! ShazzieB Jun 2024 #98
Freedom of speech for terrorist supporters, but maybe not for other not-so-pleasant groups? LeftInTX Jun 2024 #11
Yup. Just like the Nazi flag on the capitol steps of South Dakota on Saturday... AnrothElf Jun 2024 #18
Hyperbole much? marble falls Jun 2024 #30
What are the distinctions between the two flags that make their comparison hyperbolic? Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #41
Which is worse, being wrapped in a flag or being wrapped around it? It's a flag. marble falls Jun 2024 #43
I don't get your metaphor or how it relates to my question. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #45
I'd like to see you explain that to an African American about the Confederate Flag. n/t Coventina Jun 2024 #82
LOL no AnrothElf Jun 2024 #106
Free speech is only allowed for select folks malaise Jun 2024 #57
Indeed. Try flying a US Marines Corps flag in front of the Beirut stock exchange. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #61
The Right To Speak Freely, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2024 #77
The right to free speech does not guarantee freedom from criticism sarisataka Jun 2024 #80
Oh please, indeed. It's hate speech. lapucelle Jun 2024 #87
Yeah, Fucking Hamas Adjacent Assholes Can Cha Jun 2024 #116
Nazi garbage has been free to show its ass and TheKentuckian Jun 2024 #120
Useful idiots for Hamas (and Putin). nt SunSeeker Jun 2024 #3
The flag of terrorists with a hand holding an assault rifle. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #6
That's the one, right there on video. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #7
I imagine the FBI might be interested in whoever is waving that Hezbollah flag. nt SunSeeker Jun 2024 #8
A useful idiot cosplaying resistance. No self-respecting professional terrorist would expose himself Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #10
I've been wondering about that. Must be like when medical professionals watch cheesy hospital TV shows betsuni Jun 2024 #16
Nah it's more like "We would kill you if you came here." AnrothElf Jun 2024 #21
Terrorists must be flabbergasted by the cluelessness. betsuni Jun 2024 #26
I imagine that the terrorists love them. yagotme Jun 2024 #75
Yup. Especially on the Internet. nt AnrothElf Jun 2024 #20
They certainly aren't. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #9
And they will be outside the Convention in August speak easy Jun 2024 #12
They will be... sheshe2 Jun 2024 #13
They'll throw things at the police and make sure they're arrested so they can post betsuni Jun 2024 #19
"Help, I'm being repressed!" Just_Vote_Dem Jun 2024 #24
they're not gonna get away w shit in chgo. mopinko Jun 2024 #23
They aren't the only ones... Behind the Aegis Jun 2024 #22
Top line translation from Arabic reads... littlemissmartypants Jun 2024 #14
What?? LeftInTX Jun 2024 #109
Interesting. I too used Google translate. I didn't research the entire flag on Wikipedia. littlemissmartypants Jun 2024 #110
yawn TomDaisy Jun 2024 #17
Apparently, a flag of an Iranian proxy terror group on Wall Street does not sufficiently impress you. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #25
I don't know about NY, but in many States they would be 1st and 2nd amendment protected sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #36
It is their right of free speech that is protected, not their hateful message. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #39
I was commenting about a armed 'death to America' group on the streets of open carry States sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #65
Then you are taking my comment out of context. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #71
Heavily armed people in the streets of some States get a yawn sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #89
I am perfectly OK with comments made out of context, as long as Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #93
First amendment does protect most hate speech. Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #50
NOBODY was prohibiting this demonstration. Neither was it blocking traffic. brooklynite Jun 2024 #56
Protesters were blocking access to the street, trapping people in the Nova Exhibit Hall. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #58
2nd Amendment protected? Please elaborate sarisataka Jun 2024 #62
Open carry States sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #63
Still fail to see the connection with carrying a Lebanese based terrorists organization flag sarisataka Jun 2024 #66
I did say "in some Strates", legal carry sanatanadharma Jun 2024 #68
As I said, it is early. I get your point now sarisataka Jun 2024 #70
Hey, if your okay with your movement identifying with Hezbollah.... Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #46
You're replying to someone who has shared pro-Hamas Twitter accounts. Ace Rothstein Jun 2024 #47
OMG, its even worse that that. They were protesting the Nova Exhibit of 10/7 dead as "propaganda." SunSeeker Jun 2024 #37
Sane people would think twice before associating themselves with these scumbags. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #42
They blocked people from leaving the exhibit hall and basically held them hostage. SunSeeker Jun 2024 #48
That's a crime. Unlawful detention. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #51
The full text. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #59
I am a Zionist, too!! And fucking "Hitler was NOT"... Cha Jun 2024 #113
Wow, I hadn't realized there were there to celebrate the rape and murder of Jewish civilians sarisataka Jun 2024 #64
"I wish H*tler was still here, he would've wiped you all out" - man tells Jews in Union Square" Cha Jun 2024 #114
Black People Were Hitler's Victims Too.. That Must Not Be Forgotten. Cha Jun 2024 #115
Yup. nt SunSeeker Jun 2024 #118
Deport whoever flew it n/t Polybius Jun 2024 #54
How can you deport American citizens? obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #72
These people are filth mcar Jun 2024 #73
If you can't smell Russia all over trying to inflame this "Jews vs Palestinians dust up" then I ... Botany Jun 2024 #76
There is a whole bouquet of smells that I detect, Russia and Iran being most prominent, Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #78
And The Traditional Idiocies Of Campus Radicalism, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2024 #81
A Pathological Fallacy is an overgeneralization in which the pathological or abnormal characteristics of an sop Jun 2024 #83
Show me one example of me doing this, and then Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #88
Oh please. sop Jun 2024 #90
Not a single example. I suppose that settles the matter, just as I anticipated it would, and sooner than I expected. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #92
And the Palestinian vs Israeli not getting along goes back 80 + years but thanx to the GOP and .... Botany Jun 2024 #86
Certainly one of the less nuanced smells in the aforementioned bouquet. Beastly Boy Jun 2024 #91
Precisely What you said!! "They're losing their narrative and it's glorious to see‼️" Cha Jun 2024 #112
AOC responds - don't think the pro-Hamas crowd will like this mcar Jun 2024 #119
Good for her sarisataka Jun 2024 #121
I'm impressed she spoke out. EllieBC Jun 2024 #122

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
15. Apparently, it isn't. I had no idea there were so many Hamas lovers and terror supporters among us.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:19 AM
Jun 2024

sboatcar

(850 posts)
67. I feel like its a plant
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:13 AM
Jun 2024

Someone trying to label the free palestine movement as being all terrorists.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
94. It's not a "plant". It's vile anti-Semite Nerdeen Kiswani of Within Our Lifetime.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:54 AM
Jun 2024
These people are showing you who they are. Believe them.

Hamas, Hezbollah flags flown at rally outside Nova massacre NYC exhibit

The flags of Hamas and other terrorist organizations were flown by anti-Israel protesters outside the Nova massacre exhibit in New York City on Monday, according to footage published by organizers and an NGO.

The flags of Hamas's Izz al-Din Qassam Brigade, Hezbollah, and alleged Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine subsidiary Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network as Within Our Lifetime were unfurled, and protest organizer Nerdeen Kiswani described the massacre exhibit as "nothing more than Zionist propaganda."

"Zionists decided to rave next to a concentration camp; that's exactly what this music festival was, like having a rave right next to the gas chambers during the Holocaust," Kiswani said in a video published by NGO Stop Antisemitism.

snip---------------------------------

As participants marched through Wall Street with the Hezbollah and Al-Qassam flags in plain view, one sign could be seen in a WOL video that said, "Zionists are not Jews and not humans."

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-805823










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Jew-Hater Nerdeen Kiswani's profile on Canary Mission.

https://canarymission.org/individual/Nerdeen_Kiswani


Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
111. How far away are we from seeing, "Nova Festival was a false flag!" or "It was nothing but crisis actors!"?
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:39 PM
Jun 2024

I won't be surprised if it has happened and I haven't seen it (sometimes things are real, even if I haven't personally seen them); only surprised that it hasn't happened...yet!

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
97. Certainly not the entire movement but waaaaay too many Hamas friendly participants for my fucking comfort.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:29 PM
Jun 2024

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
99. Face reality
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:56 PM
Jun 2024

It is not the whole movement but it is not a mere handful as some wish was the case.

There is another video going around with a street of over a thousand of these people calling the attack on the Nova festival "Zionist propaganda" and cheering the Hamas actions of October 7

marble falls

(71,932 posts)
28. Because traffic law trumps (irony) ciivil rights. Is that a Democratic principle? We have no political prisoners ...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:36 AM
Jun 2024

... in the US, just petty property criminals and traffic violators.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
31. You don't need to block streets to exercise your civil rights. Camping is not speech.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:41 AM
Jun 2024

The irony is they're demonstrating in support of Hamas, which does not believe in civil rights.

marble falls

(71,932 posts)
34. Civil disobediance is as American as the Revolution and apple pie. It's how thought and actions gets tested ...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:03 AM
Jun 2024

... in a democracy. Prisoners of conscience are Americans, too. And a lot of them are Democrats. It is hard to wrap ones mind around there's more outrage over traffic tickets (accepting that being arrested is part of deal) causes more outrage than our tax dollars being used to kill women and children.

IDF overkill and a practice of killing them all and comitting to one god or another to sort them all out in Gaza is going to recruit more Hezbollah and Hamas than ever.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
35. Civil disobedience is for when a law is unjust. These idiots are not the victims of an unjust law.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:09 AM
Jun 2024

This is not a lunch counter sit-in to protest Jim Crow lunch counter segregation laws. These are not civil rights demonstrators. They're terrorist sympathizers blocking a New York street. They can wave their hate flag from the sidewalk. They don't need to block streets to make their point.

Hamas is who is getting women and children killed. Why can't you wrap your head around that?

Deflecting blame from Hamas helps Hamas recruitment.

LeftInTX

(34,296 posts)
117. I guess Hezbollah is a Democratic principle??? YMMV
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 05:36 PM
Jun 2024

My speech is free!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yee-hah...

Let's overtake Lebanon. Let's treat the Palestinians in Lebanon like s____ (which they do). It's a Shia-Sunni thing.

Hezbollah is not pro-Palestinian. It's a Lebanese anti-Israel terror group.

Hezbollah has nothing to do with Palestinians and everything to do with Israel.

Why is Hezbollah a Democratic principle? With the exception of support for Hamas, what does it have to do with Gaza?

Do you even know how Lebanon treats Palestinians?


sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
5. Yes,freedom of speech. They certainly can do this
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:34 AM
Jun 2024

Just like the Nazis in South Dakota.

The flag you march under identifies who you are, be it Nazi or terrorist. I believe being a Nazi or terrorist is incompatible being a progressive, liberal or Democrat. Wouldn't you agree?

marble falls

(71,932 posts)
29. Flags are flags. What flag represents the outrage of over 30,000 non Hamas dead in Gaza. Are you represented ...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:39 AM
Jun 2024

... by only the flag you carry? Can you be only represented by more than one flag? What flag represents you?

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
33. They're demonstrating to the wrong people. Hamas refusing to surrender is causing the deaths.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:54 AM
Jun 2024

And there have not been "30,000 non Hamas dead in Gaza." That is Hamas Ministry of Health propaganda. The Ministry's alleged death totals do not distinguish between Hamas and "non Hamas," let alone between civilians and fighters/collaborators, like the now dead "journalist" who kept the 3 Israelis hostage in his apartment.

marble falls

(71,932 posts)
38. Right. The UN says different. ...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:51 AM
Jun 2024

This Viet Cong flag must offend you, too





And they're blocking the sidewalks.




Where are the thought police? It's an outrage!!!




Here they are. They got their clubs, why aren't they beating some American's head in????




Why aren't those cops writing tickets and hauling them a way? Some people need to get through to K-Mart or to a job they loathe.






SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
44. They are not opposing an unjust draft. These idiots are protesting a memorial for Israeli dead.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:04 AM
Jun 2024




The Vietnam demonstrations stopped when the draft ended in 1973. During the 1968 presidential election, Richard Nixon campaigned on a promise to end the draft.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In%20the%20realm%20of%20policy,fight%20in%20it%20was%20gone.

marble falls

(71,932 posts)
49. So who gets to chose what issue is "correct"? Ever hear of the prohibition on prior restraint? It's in the Constitution
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:13 AM
Jun 2024

... and is the basis of most of the first 10 amendments. Like free speech, free press, religious freedom.

That kid with the Hamas and Hesbollah flag is as committed to those factions as was all those yippee, SDS provocateurs waving the NVA and North Viet Namese flags. And so the flock what? Democracy is a meesy thing and I love it. Fascism is much neater. Where do you stand?

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
52. Their speech was not restrained. They blocked people from leaving the exhibit hall and basically held them hostage.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:19 AM
Jun 2024




Hostage taking is not speech. Blocking traffic is not speech. There was no prior restraint here. These anti-semitic idiots were committing crimes instead of peacefully, legally demonstrating on the sidewalk.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
40. I pity the fools who choose the flag of a terrorist Iranian proxy to represent themselves.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:56 AM
Jun 2024

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
60. And the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:57 AM
Jun 2024

simply is a display of Southern heritage... right

If they are supporting Palestinians, how about carrying the Palestinian flag?

Not sure why this is suddenly about me but I'll answer anyway:
I will not march beside the Swastika, any Confederate banner not the flag of any terrorist organization.
YMMV

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,725 posts)
103. I don't think you're going find many if any on DU defending the Confederate flag
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:43 PM
Jun 2024

Poor attempt at what-aboutism.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
108. I did not claim anyone was defending the Confederate flag
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:04 PM
Jun 2024

I was illustrating a flag is more than a piece of cloth.

Just as the racism cannot be separated from the Confederate flag, the antisemitism cannot be ignored in the Hezbollah flag.

We do have people defending a terrorist flag.

IMO marching with the flag of Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS... is no different than march with the flags of the Confederacy or Third Reich. I will believe those who march under those banners agree with all they represent.
Again, YMMV

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
79. That's Always Been The Line
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:04 AM
Jun 2024

For some months, a person new to English might easily conclude 'Innocent Palestinians' was one word, they being so inseparably twined in general usage.

And of course Israel kills only women and children, I mean, duh, what part of GENOCIDE! don't you understand?

And long life to the freedom fighters, whom the bombs never, never ever, ever, hit....

mcar

(46,058 posts)
100. And when Hamas opened fire in
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jun 2024

a crowded market. That is Israel committing genocide too, somehow.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
101. Hey, If They'd Just Left Those Captives In Durance Vile, Those Innocent Palestinians Would Be Alive
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:19 PM
Jun 2024

So you tell me: why did Israel really launch this 'rescue mission', hmmmm?

I think the answer is obvious....

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
107. Some Of It Is a Sort Of Catagory Error, Sir
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:02 PM
Jun 2024

War being itself immoral, consisting in the attempt by violence to impose your will on another, it is pointless to quibble about moral concerns within the conduct of war. Things advance a belligerent's aim, or they do not. It may be useful to achieving its aim for a belligerent to behave in some ways, such a treatment of prisoners or care for safety of enemy non-combatants, as a virtuous man engaged in a virtuous pursuit would be expected to act. But it's a simulacrum of virtue, not the actual stuff: clemency rather than mercy. And often the opposite conclusion is drawn, that atrocity is just the thing that can secure the aim of the exercise. The only thing that 'justifies' the cruelties of war is achievement of the aim, and that only in the eyes of the victor and friends. To fail in achieving the aim by violence is the sole sin available....

JustAnotherGen

(38,054 posts)
84. Freedom of speech
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:17 AM
Jun 2024

Doesn't mean you are free from.judgments by other.

I'm going to keep an eye trained on responses to the Nazi and Confederate flag being flown in America.

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization on par with the KKK. Its intent is to intimidate and strike fear.

Now I know where all.of the BLM non-black activists have went. I knew they were full.of shit and they weren't really with us.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
85. Exactly, freedom to speech does not include freedom from criticism. Despite the claims,
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:22 AM
Jun 2024

I haven't seen a post which has denied the terrorist supporters their right to carry their flags. The criticism of those carrying the flags is falsely being equated with denial of free speech.

Ironically, the opposition to the right to criticize is advocating the abridgment of free speech...

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
98. EXACTLY!
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:46 PM
Jun 2024

They have every right to carry those flags, and others have every right to comment on and criticize what those flags represent.

Freedom of speech is not a one way street.

LeftInTX

(34,296 posts)
11. Freedom of speech for terrorist supporters, but maybe not for other not-so-pleasant groups?
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:30 AM
Jun 2024
 

AnrothElf

(923 posts)
18. Yup. Just like the Nazi flag on the capitol steps of South Dakota on Saturday...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:38 AM
Jun 2024
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/neo-nazi-march-in-south-dakota-condemned-not-welcome-here/ar-BB1nWFBO

Puppy-Killer chased them off.

Here on DU, Hezbollah is apparently de rigueur.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
77. The Right To Speak Freely, Ma'am
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:50 AM
Jun 2024

Imposes no duty to agree on the audience, nor bars audience members from speaking their disagreement out loud.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
80. The right to free speech does not guarantee freedom from criticism
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:05 AM
Jun 2024

nor is it abridged by criticism of said speech.

THAT is all

Cha

(319,079 posts)
116. Yeah, Fucking Hamas Adjacent Assholes Can
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 05:06 PM
Jun 2024

Spew their fucking hate all the want.

And We Can Object to their fucking message.


 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
120. Nazi garbage has been free to show its ass and
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:47 PM
Jun 2024

everyone even at least pretending to be otherwise condemns the fuck out of them.

Same. Same.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
10. A useful idiot cosplaying resistance. No self-respecting professional terrorist would expose himself
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:24 AM
Jun 2024

to a stupid stunt like this.

Lucky for them, there are plenty of useful idiots to pick from.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
16. I've been wondering about that. Must be like when medical professionals watch cheesy hospital TV shows
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:21 AM
Jun 2024

and cringe at all the things they get wrong. Real terrorists must see these cosplayers and , muttering "That's NOT the way to do it, duh."

 

AnrothElf

(923 posts)
21. Nah it's more like "We would kill you if you came here."
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:42 AM
Jun 2024

I'll get to it in my series. Maybe I should post another, now.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
26. Terrorists must be flabbergasted by the cluelessness.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:32 AM
Jun 2024

They look at these protesters and are, like, I grew up in a medieval religious fundamentalist terrorist controlled hellhole with no education or hope and even I'M not that stupid.

yagotme

(4,135 posts)
75. I imagine that the terrorists love them.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jun 2024

Deflection from the real "cause". Camouflage. Red herring, etc.

sheshe2

(97,633 posts)
9. They certainly aren't.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:16 AM
Jun 2024

The mask is off. They have aligned themselves with terrorists and are not doing the people of Palestine any favors.


sheshe2

(97,633 posts)
13. They will be...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:50 AM
Jun 2024

However I don’t think they will be welcomed warmly by the police and the SS if the are waving a terrorist flag with an assault rifle on it.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
19. They'll throw things at the police and make sure they're arrested so they can post
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:39 AM
Jun 2024

Look!-I'm-being-violently-oppressed-by-the-capitalist-police-state-for-no-reason drama online.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
23. they're not gonna get away w shit in chgo.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:05 AM
Jun 2024

they may try. but they’ll meet a blue wall in riot gear.

littlemissmartypants

(33,590 posts)
14. Top line translation from Arabic reads...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:13 AM
Jun 2024

"No, it's a shameful joke"

Bottom line...
"Nanbel in the world of prayer, Mukalla"


Who was Nabal in the Bible?
Nabal is noteworthy for the brief interaction he had with David while David was on the run from King Saul. The account of David and Nabal is found in 1 Samuel 25. Nabal was from the clan of Caleb, and his name means “fool”—a fact that suggests Nabal may have been a nickname he earned by his “harsh and evil” behavior (verse 3, BSB). Nabal lived near the town of Maoen in the hill country of Judea and possessed thousands of sheep and goats that he pastured near Carmel. Nabal was extremely wealthy; however, his greatest asset was his beautiful and intelligent wife, Abigail.
Snip...more..
https://www.gotquestions.org/Nabal-in-the-Bible.html


Mukalla is a place in Yemen and the people there are in a world of hurt.

Read Mukalla's latest news here...
https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/mukalla

LeftInTX

(34,296 posts)
109. What??
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:07 PM
Jun 2024

From Google Translate

فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون = The Party of Allah will prevail
المقاومة الإسلامية في لبنان = Islamic resistance in Lebanon

From Wikipedia
The text above the logo reads فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون (fa-inna ḥizba llāhi humu al-ġālibūna) and means "Then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant" (Quran 5:56), which is a reference to the name of the party. Underneath the logo are the words المقاومة الإسلامية في لبنان (al-muqāwamah al-islāmīyah fī lubnān), meaning "The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hezbollah

littlemissmartypants

(33,590 posts)
110. Interesting. I too used Google translate. I didn't research the entire flag on Wikipedia.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jun 2024




Out of curiosity I went back and translated the bottom text again and got...
"We are proud of our families"

Something clearly isn't right!



Word by word, lower text...
"Resistance Islamic in Lebanon"
Upper text...
"The party God they the victors"

Isn't that interesting?

AI/ML has some work to do on its translation algos, imo.



I'd say that the symbolism outranks the translations hands down, though.

For anything definitive we probably need to hear directly from the flag's creator.

Thanks for your reply, LeftInTX.
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
25. Apparently, a flag of an Iranian proxy terror group on Wall Street does not sufficiently impress you.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:31 AM
Jun 2024

What would it take to grab your attention then? Would a parade of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street do the trick?

sanatanadharma

(4,089 posts)
36. I don't know about NY, but in many States they would be 1st and 2nd amendment protected
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:41 AM
Jun 2024

I don't know about NY, but in many States they would be 1st and 2nd amendment protected.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
39. It is their right of free speech that is protected, not their hateful message.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:52 AM
Jun 2024

Condemnation of their acts is protected by the same 1st Amendment you are referring to.

And I am not sure how a flag of a foreign terrorist group being displayed on Wall treet is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

sanatanadharma

(4,089 posts)
65. I was commenting about a armed 'death to America' group on the streets of open carry States
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:12 AM
Jun 2024

"Would a parade of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street do the trick?"

I was commenting about a armed death to America group protest.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
71. Then you are taking my comment out of context.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:21 AM
Jun 2024

I was asking the poster what would impress him beyond a "yawn", not the legality of heavily armed terrorists chanting "Death to America" on Wall Street.

sanatanadharma

(4,089 posts)
89. Heavily armed people in the streets of some States get a yawn
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:33 AM
Jun 2024

America is a sick society. I will die and leave it soon enough. Hopefully not at the hands angry mobs demanding that they alone are right, nor Nations similarly disposed.

I am challenging no one, but do have a point of view.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
93. I am perfectly OK with comments made out of context, as long as
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:50 AM
Jun 2024

we are both aware of it.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
50. First amendment does protect most hate speech.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:14 AM
Jun 2024

But it is still hate speech.

And explicit support for a terrorist organization, which Hezbollah is, is grounds for revoking visas, and even green cards.

Deport their asses.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
66. Still fail to see the connection with carrying a Lebanese based terrorists organization flag
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:12 AM
Jun 2024

I completely get the First Amendment right to do so and support that freedom as it is available even to despicable groups.

Maybe it is early, I don't see the 2nd connection. I don't believe anyone is open carrying at this rally. It would not be legal in NYC

sanatanadharma

(4,089 posts)
68. I did say "in some Strates", legal carry
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:16 AM
Jun 2024

We can hate the message and the messengers but America seems to be unable to even try stopping public hate demonstrations, for the nation's own internal self protection.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
70. As I said, it is early. I get your point now
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:20 AM
Jun 2024

and agree, there are states it would be perfectly legal to open carry while carrying a terrorist flag.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
46. Hey, if your okay with your movement identifying with Hezbollah....
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:07 AM
Jun 2024

... then you shouldn't wonder why many of us consider it corrupt and compromised.

When I see crap like this, my sympathy for the cause drops to zero.

I still feel sympathy for the people being hurt, but these assholes? Fuck 'em. And if they are here on visa, deport them. Hezbollah is an enemy of the USA.

Ace Rothstein

(3,373 posts)
47. You're replying to someone who has shared pro-Hamas Twitter accounts.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:11 AM
Jun 2024

I think we know where they stand.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
37. OMG, its even worse that that. They were protesting the Nova Exhibit of 10/7 dead as "propaganda."
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 08:49 AM
Jun 2024




They're 10/7 deniers! Fucking antisemites.
 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
42. Sane people would think twice before associating themselves with these scumbags.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:02 AM
Jun 2024

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sheshe2

(97,633 posts)
59. The full text.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 09:53 AM
Jun 2024
OMG THESE PEOPLE HAVE LOST ALL THEIR MORALS!!!! Protesting in front of the Nova exhibit, honoring the hundreds massacred, raped and kidnapped by Hamas. Totally disgusting and shameful. My sister said she was trapped inside and could not get out. Really, 2024 in NYC and Jews are unable to leave a building!?!? I thought we had a few decent people there. On my way to a charity event I stopped to speak to a few people. We even shook hands thinking we could agree to disagree. Had a good feeling about them until they started telling me that I was a Nazi and all Zionists were Nazis. And that Hitler was a Zionist and then to F@&k off. And then another got in my face until the
@nypdnews
told him to back off. Wow, these are my fellow New Yorkers. Freakin scary!!!!! Well you know what, I am a Loud and Proud Zionist! And I love
@Israel
and America. #AmYisraelChai!
@bringhomenow
#BringThemHomeNow

Cha

(319,079 posts)
113. I am a Zionist, too!! And fucking "Hitler was NOT"...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 04:28 PM
Jun 2024
And that Hitler was a Zionist and then to F@&k off. And then another got in my face until the
@nypdnews told him to back off
.

Good On the POlice!

Mahalo, SunSeeker!

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
64. Wow, I hadn't realized there were there to celebrate the rape and murder of Jewish civilians
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:08 AM
Jun 2024

or perhaps deny what Hamas own videos confirm. And people are willing to defend this...

And before anyone accuses of wanting to silence terrorists, the 1st Amendment absolutely gives them the right to speak whatever they wish. It also gives me the right to criticize them and their message.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
114. "I wish H*tler was still here, he would've wiped you all out" - man tells Jews in Union Square"
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 04:33 PM
Jun 2024


Stupid Asshole

Cha

(319,079 posts)
115. Black People Were Hitler's Victims Too.. That Must Not Be Forgotten.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 04:49 PM
Jun 2024


On Holocaust Memorial Day, it is vital we remember all the people targeted by the Nazis

While antisemitism was at the core of the Nazis’ ideology of hate, black people, Roma and Sinti people, gay people, physically and mentally disabled people – among other groups – were also under severe persecution. Owens’ spectacular achievements did little to change Nazi perceptions about black people. Policies directed against them – many of whom had come from Germany’s colonies in Africa – were cruel and inhumane. Seen as subhuman, black people were marginalised socially and economically. But even with the shadow of Nazism hanging over them like a dark cloud, many found expression in art and music. All the same, Nazis condemned the influence of “Negro culture” on German art and music, calling it “degenerate” and “racially alien”.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/27/black-people-were-hitlers-victims-too-that-must-not-be-forgotten

Botany

(77,324 posts)
76. If you can't smell Russia all over trying to inflame this "Jews vs Palestinians dust up" then I ...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:49 AM
Jun 2024

…. can’t help you.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
78. There is a whole bouquet of smells that I detect, Russia and Iran being most prominent,
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:01 AM
Jun 2024

but my sense of smell is refined enough to also detect a distinct whiff of old-fashioned antisemitism in it too.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
81. And The Traditional Idiocies Of Campus Radicalism, Sir
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:09 AM
Jun 2024

They may be brought to greater prominence by aid of some 'hidden hand', but the raw material provides itself, it needs no persuasion.


"Idealists setting forth from their ivory towers head straight for the gutter."



sop

(18,626 posts)
83. A Pathological Fallacy is an overgeneralization in which the pathological or abnormal characteristics of an
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:16 AM
Jun 2024

individual or a small group are attributed to the general population. You seem to do that a lot.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
88. Show me one example of me doing this, and then
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:32 AM
Jun 2024

we may not have to go any further into the speculations about me doing it a lot.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
92. Not a single example. I suppose that settles the matter, just as I anticipated it would, and sooner than I expected.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:47 AM
Jun 2024

Botany

(77,324 posts)
86. And the Palestinian vs Israeli not getting along goes back 80 + years but thanx to the GOP and ....
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jun 2024

…. our media it is now President Biden’s fault that the two parties don’t get along.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
91. Certainly one of the less nuanced smells in the aforementioned bouquet.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:40 AM
Jun 2024

In fact, it appear to be the underlying reason for the performative outrage.

mcar

(46,058 posts)
119. AOC responds - don't think the pro-Hamas crowd will like this
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jun 2024



The callousness, dehumanization, and targeting of Jews on display at last night’s protest outside the Nova Festival exhibit was atrocious antisemitism - plain and simple.

Antisemitism has no place in our city nor any broader movement that centers human dignity and liberation.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
122. I'm impressed she spoke out.
Wed Jun 12, 2024, 12:13 PM
Jun 2024

I will definitely give her kudos for this.

The rest of the “squad” is probably not happy.

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