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Zorro

(15,874 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:10 AM Jun 11

Why Two Simple Words Bother Trump So Much

Donald Trump has always been comfortable hurling insults. Yet for all his bluster, the more the 2024 U.S. presidential election heats up, the more one thing becomes clear: The former president can dish it, but when it comes to a specific type of insult, he can’t take it.

He hates being called a “loser.” Or, for that matter, a “sucker.”

Those words came to the fore again on Sunday, when Trump demanded Joe Biden’s campaign take down an attack ad quoting back at Trump some of his most infamous insults: those directed towards U.S. soldiers, including those killed in combat.

As first reported by The Atlantic in 2020 and later confirmed by John Kelly, the retired U.S. Marine Corps general who became Trump’s second White House chief of staff, in conversations around a cancelled visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018, Trump called fallen U.S. soldiers both “losers” and “suckers”.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-two-simple-words-bother-trump-so-much

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Why Two Simple Words Bother Trump So Much (Original Post) Zorro Jun 11 OP
The "Two Simple Words Bother Trump" Botany Jun 11 #1
Prison sentence is another. tinrobot Jun 11 #14
McDonald's Closed SomedayKindaLove Jun 11 #15
What? No more cold and soggy hamberders? Dave Bowman Jun 12 #26
"You lost" would have been my pick. TSExile Jun 11 #2
The truth hurts, and for a narcissist like him that is the worth truth of all... Wounded Bear Jun 11 #3
I think much of it goes back to his father drilling into him the need liberalla Jun 11 #4
Sad that clown is still trying to get his daddy's attention. apnu Jun 11 #7
Yes, attention and APPROVAL liberalla Jun 11 #8
That's Trump in a nutshell. Never grew past wnylib Jun 11 #10
Yes, I picture his father PatSeg Jun 11 #13
I did not understand the psychology of a mind like Trump's wnylib Jun 11 #21
Yes, that does sound a lot like Trump PatSeg Jun 11 #22
The rest of the story is wnylib Jun 11 #23
Oh, that is awful PatSeg Jun 11 #24
When the damage is deep, the behavior is deeply ingrained. wnylib Jun 12 #25
Yes, sadly that is true PatSeg Jun 12 #30
That is true. ShazzieB Jun 11 #18
Diapers full? KS Toronado Jun 11 #5
Not 'mushroom' and 'penis'? apnu Jun 11 #6
Loser and "not smart" should be on the list. Sneederbunk Jun 11 #9
"Pay up!" sop Jun 11 #11
It seems that so many of Trump's insult words PatSeg Jun 11 #12
True! Grins Jun 11 #16
It was the 2011 dinner. ShazzieB Jun 11 #20
"Donald who?" littlemissmartypants Jun 11 #17
Fox host: "...[#Trump] ..Never plays the victim. I thought he was super presidential today."🤡" riversedge Jun 11 #19
By all means, then, use them early and use them often. Buns_of_Fire Jun 12 #27
Lol, I just pictured the whole scene and Dave Bowman Jun 12 #29
Also, maybe, Effing Broke? Dave Bowman Jun 12 #28
I would think "Pasty" and "Bald" JoseBalow Jun 12 #31

Wounded Bear

(59,083 posts)
3. The truth hurts, and for a narcissist like him that is the worth truth of all...
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jun 11

He's a loser. He has never won anything that he didn't cheat at or game the system.

liberalla

(9,373 posts)
4. I think much of it goes back to his father drilling into him the need
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 10:49 AM
Jun 11

to be tough and strong. Don't be weak and soft. He was raised to be a "killer". Being a loser or a sucker is weak and soft. His father despised that.

When those words are dircted at him, it is just about the worst insult to be paid someone (in his mind).

wnylib

(22,286 posts)
10. That's Trump in a nutshell. Never grew past
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:31 AM
Jun 11

his father's demands to measure up to expectations. It's why he idolizes abusive dictators. It's why he is always in victim mode. He still feels the victimization of an abusive father and still tries to escape it by being a victimizer himself. Never found a way out of the trap of just two alternatives in life.

Stuck in such an either/or paradigm, Trump decided early on that there are no gray areas in life, no values, no right or wrong, good or bad. There is only power by any means to stay on top, or no power and being a loser. Rules are meaningless unless he can make them serve his need to protect a severely damaged ego.



PatSeg

(48,465 posts)
13. Yes, I picture his father
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:48 AM
Jun 11

as the root cause of his endless barrage of insults. Another leader with serious daddy issues.

wnylib

(22,286 posts)
21. I did not understand the psychology of a mind like Trump's
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:37 PM
Jun 11

until I worked next to a parolee on a part time job several years ago. The company did background checks on new hires. Following labor laws, they did not discriminate against people with a record, but did screen out anyone whose crime was related to the company's business. Also, the crime had to have been committed at least 7 years prior to hiring.

Until taking that part time job for extra income, my experience and knowledge of the legal system had been limited to films, books, and my own traffic tickets and divorce. The job involved handling the company's customer service complaints over the phone. So I sat at a desk next to a parolee convicted of burglary and rape. I learned about that from another co-worker who recognized the new hire's name from an old newspaper article.

The parolee, "John," talked about himself during down times and training sessions. He was 34 years old when parolled and found an 18 year old high school senior for a girlfriend who was estranged from her family due to abuse. He persuaded her to quit school and live with him. He "generously" paid for her phone and controlled all her outside contacts. He lived near the office and rushed home on breaks and lunch to check up on her.

But, like a child, he sought advice from me and another female co-worker on how to "handle" his relationship. He had zero concept of what was healthy. He bragged that he would make millions of dollars on some magazine ad for "quick money" and would buy out the company that we worked for. He was obsessed with power and control over others. Ironically, though, he respected the two of us that he asked for advice because we were direct and honest with him.

He told me about a course on Shakespeare that he took in prison. He insisted that Shakespeare had no more talent than anyone, but just had good contacts to promote him. Contacts and image projection were the only keys to success. There was no such thing as talent or right and wrong, just the guts to promote oneself.

I learned from him that he'd been in foster care as a toddler due to abuse and neglect, bounced from one home to another, was rejected by one set of foster parents that he'd hoped would adopt him, and was booted from the system to fend for himself when when he aged out. Different income and social level from the Trumps, but same conclusions about values relationships after a life full of abuse and neglect.

After a few months, the 18 year old girlfriend sneaked back to the school to ask for help from the counselor. The counselor contacted police and Social Services. They put her up in a hotel with a police guard. She naively called "John" to explain why she was gone because she'd left with no word. He tracked down which hotel she was at and broke into the room, claiming that he was rescuing her from a "dirty" cop who was abusing her. He filed that as a formal complaint in his defense against the cop, so the police department was legally obligated to investigate. "John" lost and went back to prison for the rest of his term, plus additional charges.

It was a total eye-opener to me of how a criminal mind works and how it can develop from abuse. Not always. Many abused children take a different path, especially if there is some positive person or incident that influences them.









PatSeg

(48,465 posts)
22. Yes, that does sound a lot like Trump
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 02:06 PM
Jun 11

if he hadn't come from a family with money. What an awful story. I'm glad that girl got free of him.

I am taken by the total lack of remorse or guilt with such people. If they get caught and punished, they often turn around and commit the same crimes again. There are a few who have an epiphany and turn their lives around. John Dean and Michael Cohen come to mind, but there are others who seem incapable of changing. It is like they are wired differently.

If someone like Steve Bannon or Roger Stone serves time in prison, I have no doubt that they will come out and do the same things with the same in-your-face arrogance.

wnylib

(22,286 posts)
23. The rest of the story is
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jun 11

I encountered "John" a couple times after he finished his term. Just before he went back to prison, he had an acquaintance deliver an "engagement ring" to the girl with a note that she was now obligated to wait for him to get out. I heard that directly from him before his parole was revoked. It did not matter to him that we told him that you can't own another person.

After his second release, I was shopping with a friend when John saw me and said "Hi." He told me that he was out "for good" I said that I hoped he would get counseling to help him stay out. He said that he was getting counseling through an organization to help ex cons adapt to life outside of prison.

My friend overheard this and asked how I knew him, so I explained. He had a distinctive appearance and she recognized him as a guy that she had seen in a grocery store with a younger woman who looked terrified to speak or move. Her son had recognized the young woman from their high school days, but she acted afraid to speak to him. John had taken up again with the former 18 year old girlfriend. By that time, she was over 21.

Through my friend's son's contacts from high school, we learned that John had threatened her if she refused to go back with him. She had another boyfriend by then, but broke up with him out of fear of John. John had done a psychological number on her about her being promised to him (the ring) and her obligation to him.

The new boyfriend threatened to bring charges against John for threatening her if he ever came near her again. Then she and the new boyfriend left town.

The next time I saw John was several months later. He was walking with a group of friends outside of a shopping center. He had gained quite a bit of weight. He told me that he had gained from meds he was taking, that he had a good job, and was doing fine.

He also told me something that sounded almost like it was meant to be intimidating. He said that he would stay in touch with me because he had learned that I lived in the same apt. building as his biological mother with whom he had reconnected. He gave the address as if revealing something important. It was not my address, but I had sense enough not to correct him. My surname is a common one. My first name is not as common, but also not rare. I know that there are other people in my area with the same name. I even met one once. So his mother apparently had a neighbor with the same name. Or, with the same last name and first name initial. I just smiled and said I was glad that he was doing well.

I have not seen him anywhere since then. Don't know if he turned his life around, moved away, or got in legal trouble and was imprisoned again.


PatSeg

(48,465 posts)
24. Oh, that is awful
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 06:10 PM
Jun 11

I guess that confirms what I was saying. Some people don't change no matter how long they serve in prison. It is really creepy that he seemed to be threatening you. I wonder how many other people he has done that to. Reminds me of an ex in-law who ended up in prison for a whole year for stalking a family member. (Wasn't the first time he was in prison.) It was many years ago, but to this day I still keep tabs on him and where he is. Recently I found a police report that indicated he hasn't changed at all.

I find it unnerving that there are so many people who seem incapable of change even if their behavior ruins their own lives and hurts those they profess to love.

ShazzieB

(17,022 posts)
18. That is true.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:53 PM
Jun 11

Mary Trump has said that his emotional development was arrested at around 2.5 years. Which means that when we call him a toddler, we are stating the obvious.

PatSeg

(48,465 posts)
12. It seems that so many of Trump's insult words
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 11:46 AM
Jun 11

are probably words he heard when he was a child. "Loser" is definitely one that triggers him and I can picture someone(s) calling him that when he was young. Others that I think he heard as a child: low intelligence, disgraceful, weak, nasty, like a dog.

"Donald, you are a disgrace to the family. You're a real loser." (Probably his father?)

Grins

(7,387 posts)
16. True!
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:37 PM
Jun 11

20 June 2018
GQ Magazine

"It was Ivana who wanted to call their newborn Donald junior. 'You can't do that!' Trump is quoted as saying in Ivana's memoir, 'Raising Trump.' 'What if he's a loser?'"

For more, there is Adam Gopnic's SCATHING summary of Trump being humiliated by Obama at the 2015 White House Correspondent's dinner. Here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-and-obama-a-night-to-remember

ShazzieB

(17,022 posts)
20. It was the 2011 dinner.
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 01:30 PM
Jun 11

Gopnic's article was published in 2015, early in Trump's run for the presidency, when few people thought he had a serious chance of winning the nomination, much less the general election. Thanks for drawing our attention to it. It's fascinating (and horrifying) to read in hindsight.

Here's a no paywall link for anyone who needs it:
https://archive.ph/rl3c

2017.01.08-150152/http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-and-obama-a-night-to-remember
https://archive.ph/2017.01.08-150152/http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-and-obama-a-night-to-remember

riversedge

(71,003 posts)
19. Fox host: "...[#Trump] ..Never plays the victim. I thought he was super presidential today."🤡"
Tue Jun 11, 2024, 12:56 PM
Jun 11



Fox News host on Donald Trump:

“What I love about him, he never plays the victim. He was like, ‘Keep weaponizing me. I just keep winning.’ Never plays the victim. I thought he was super presidential today.”🤡



Buns_of_Fire

(17,333 posts)
27. By all means, then, use them early and use them often.
Wed Jun 12, 2024, 05:06 PM
Jun 12

I want to see him go into full meltdown between now and November - full spittle-spewing, bowel-releasing, stroke-inducing rage.

Dave Bowman

(2,095 posts)
28. Also, maybe, Effing Broke?
Wed Jun 12, 2024, 05:13 PM
Jun 12

He's very insecure and if the value of someone, in his mind, is absolutely related to money then that must burn a bit.

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