Hunter's conviction can be laid at the feet of Garland

[edhopper]

for appointing a partisan Special Council who already was at the DOJ, and already prosecuted the same case. Against DOJ protocols and guidelines.

[bullimiami]

1. No. Unfair as the case may be. It's still his own doing.

[edhopper]

4. A proper SC

would have made a plea deal and negotiated it when the Judge sent it back.

Prosecuted for tax evasion AFTER he paid back with a fine? Please?

[bullimiami]

19. The prosecution was for the firearms violation. There was a plea deal and it should have been honored.

The judge should give him probation and maybe some community service.

[bdamomma]

20. Exactly

nt

[BlueKota]

25. Was there a credible reason given why the plea

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deal was rescinded? Unless further evidence came to light that the defendant was hiding something else he didn't confess to in the plea deal, why pull it

If I were accused of something, and offered a plea deal, I'd think twice about accepting it now, because this case shows the prosecution can say they will give you a deal if you confess, but then not live up to their end of the bargain.

I'm not saying what he did was right, or he shouldn't be held responsible in some way, but unless there was a valid reason not too, it seems a bit unfair of the government to do a take back of the original plea.

[former9thward]

28. Yes.

The judge had to approve it. She asked Hunter's lawyers some simple legal questions about the terms of the deal and they were unable to give an answer. At that point the judge refused to endorse the deal.

[BlueKota]

35. That seems fair then.

It would be different, if the prosecution had promised him a deal, without intending to hold up their end of it, or they caved to political pressure.

That the judge asked and his lawyer's wouldn't answer does put the fault on the defense side then.

[edhopper]

49. I wouldn't take what someone who thinks

anything Garland or the DOJ has done is beyond reproach.

A more even handed report. And it wasn't just Hunter's Lawyer didn't know what they were talking about. A hint would be who the SC was.

https://www.vox.com/2023/8/17/23828938/hunter-biden-plea-deal-special-counsel-weiss

[womanofthehills]

61. The judge said she never had a plea deal before

That included all future crimes.

On the video, she actually asked Hunter if he was clean from drugs today and he answered no. It was pretty arrogant to not get yourself in a program fast when you are about to go in front of a judge.

[thatdemguy]

55. From what I read the major reason was

The future immunity deal. His lawyer was asking for future immunity from any federal prosecution. The prosecutor said no to any future stuff, but was accepting immunity for anything they were investigating now, and wherever it went.

So I think taking a plea deal where he refused to plead guilty ( he would do an Alred plea ) to a more minor charge to get immunity from more serious charges ( guilty or not ) I think was a step too far for the judge.

[bigtree]

2. not true.

...nothing about that designation had anything to do with bringing these charges.

There's enough disinformation out there about Hunter without exploiting this to make some silly point about the AG.

It's not even close to true.

[Groundhawg]

3. No. Garland didn't make Hunter commit any crimes

[edhopper]

5. No he just appointed a partisan SC

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who then went after him on things that weren't even part of the original charges.
And for crimes few go to jail for.

[Groundhawg]

17. The appointment of a SC had nothing to do with these charges

[edhopper]

18. My reply was badly worded

it's been rewritten.

[Groundhawg]

21. The special council didn't go after Hunter on gun charges

That is a completely separate issue.

[edhopper]

22. Who just prosecuted him at the trial?

[Groundhawg]

65. several non special council prosecutors. I can't seem to find any names, but it wasn't david weiss.

[Trueblue1968]

6. Did Garland even HAVE TO name a special council ?? Hunter was singled out.

Millions of people don't tell truth when they complete forms.

Put me in jail too .... I too am guilty.

[edhopper]

7. No

he did not. But he had to look "nonpartisan"

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. Once Hunter became the son of a sitting president, the SC was appointed

It was the right call.

[gab13by13]

38. Hunter became the son of a sitting president Jan. 2021

Garland made Weiss a special counsel on Aug. 11, 2023, at the request of Weiss. Weiss had jurisdiction in Delaware to prosecute Hunter for his gun crimes and making him sc allowed Weiss to prosecute Hunter in California for tax crimes.

Hunter failed to pay 1.4 million dollars in taxes, however, he did pay his taxes plus the fines. This crime is rarely prosecuted but Hunter could get 16 years in prison if found guilty.

No word yet if Garland will appoint a sc to investigate the 100 million dollars that TSF stole from the government for claiming a 651 million dollar deduction on his Chicago tower. TSF then created a holding company to double dip on his deduction.

We don't know what DOJ is doing, it doesn't leak.

[former9thward]

30. Millions of people speed.

But only a tiny percent get tickets. Hunter had a girlfriend who called the cops on him. He got caught.

[edhopper]

51. How many that get caught

don't simply pay their ticket, but are tried with possible jail time for their first offense.

[ForgedCrank]

58. Lying on

a firearms background check for isn't comparable to speeding tickets. It's a very serious offense to circumvent the system that is put in place to vet gun buyers. Granted, most people who do this are likely never caught so this is a case of drawing the short straw for sure, but the FBI and ATF don't take these things lightly, they generally have little mercy.
We'll know if he has been treated fairly when we find out the punishment. People go to jail all the time for far less serious crimes, but a max penalty or something will be completely uncalled for and unusual. If that happens, I will most certainly call foul.

[womanofthehills]

63. The story around the gun was unusual

According to Hallie, the gun was not secure in an unlocked truck and a danger for her kids as they sometimes spent time in Hunter’s truck. She then freaks because she says Hunter is unstable and throws the gun in a trash can across from a school. When she goes to retrieve the gun, it’s missing etc etc - law enforcement gets involved. The story has lots of drama with people close to him freaked out he has a gun.

[former9thward]

66. Speeding tickets are not felonies, so probably not many.

But the same legal principle applies. He had an opportunity to plead guilty and get this behind him but he chose not to.

[Kaleva]

33. You are okay with people lying to get a gun?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

37. Apparently several people here think gun control laws are for other people

All these folks bragging about lying to get a gun…

[edhopper]

53. I am not okay with jail time for something that gets

probation 99% of the time. Of which they already made a plea deal.

Yours is a strawman

[Kaleva]

54. Did Hunter get jail time?

[edhopper]

56. He can get up to

25 years. The Judge is a Trump appointment known for harsh sentences.

[Kaleva]

57. What he could get and what he actually gets may be two different things

I like President Biden's response to the conviction. An example we all should follow

[womanofthehills]

64. Many reporters believe he is more apt to get jail time

On the tax charge - not this charge.

[RockRaven]

8. Or Hunter.

And I would go with the latter.

[liberalmediaaddict]

9. Agree 110%

What's screwed up is Hunter agreed to a plea deal on the taxes and gun charges. He admitted to a judge in open court he was guilty.

Then after the House Republican freakout a Trump appointed judge rejects the plea agreement.

At this point Garland should have just stayed out of it and let Weiss sort out this mess. Instead he caves into pressure from the House MAGA caucus and names Weiss special counsel.

He shouldn't have named a special counsel and definitely not Weiss. But Garland loves appointing special counsels. Especially Trump appointees who openly hate Democrats.

Feel bad for Hunter Biden getting caught up in this craziness. And it has to be hard for President Biden to endure all this.

[edhopper]

14. Why so many here can't see the simple facts

you just laid out is beyond me.

[tazkcmo]

10. Whitch hunt?

Rigged? Crooked judge?

Nope. Just a guilty dude.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Garland made the right decision

But perhaps chose the wrong person to serve as SC.

[edhopper]

15. Then it's the wrong decision

if he did not pick MAGA Weiss, this case would never have gone to trial.

[gab13by13]

40. Weiss asked Garland to make him special counsel

and Garland granted Weiss his wish. It had nothing to do with Garland showing he wasn't partisan. Making Weiss a Special Counsel allowed him to prosecute Hunter in California. Trial starts Sept. 5, 2024 for crimes that are rarely prosecuted.

[edhopper]

52. AQnd when someone asks that

it is usually a BIG red flag at Justice. SCs should be nonpartisan.

[Jose Garcia]

13. How about the guy who committed felonies, then published a book

which provided evidence of the felonies?

[edhopper]

16. How about prosecuting someone

on things almost no one gets prosecuted on. Including already resolved tax issues?

[Jose Garcia]

69. Perhaps enforcing these laws would lead to more compliance

[edhopper]

70. They do enforce tax evasion

Usually resolved by paying the taxes and a fine, which is what Hunter did. Most others would never get prosecuted after they resolve it. Meanwhile Trump found guilty of Tax evasion in Civil Court is not charged.

[jalan48]

23. Why is this such a BFD? Compared to what the Trump crime family has done, it's nothing.

[edhopper]

24. Because now

the Media will constantly remind us that BOTH sides have felons. Never mind the logiv or nuance, They get to diminish what Trump did.

[Boomerproud]

26. In my home the media mean nothing any more.

They can say anything they want. They used to be a public trust.

[brooklynite]

32. Let me know when that actually happens...

Fox News? Sure. Everyone else?

Watched CNN at the gym. 15 minutes into the hour they'd switched to the Alito story. This isn't that big and it won't be an election story.

[jalan48]

34. It's like we have to swim upstream to win.

[Takket]

27. yeah the guy who actually committed the crime had nothing to do with it

he committed a crime and got prosecuted. He got a fair trial in front of a jury of his peers just like anyone else. He certainly DOES NOT deserve jail time and I hope the judge doesn't sentence him to any.

[northern light]

29. We will have to talk to all the

other people who got prosecuted for doing something like this.

[TexasDem69]

31. Hunter Biden was convicted because he committed a crime

Then admitted he committed a crime in a book. He was undoubtedly guilty. All the handwringing because this crime is rarely prosecuted is nonsense. It’s probably rarely prosecuted because it’s difficult to prove, but that wasn’t the case here. Federal law makes what he did a crime and he is guilty. Now Congress can change the law (which wouldn’t help Biden), but then folks would complain they are being soft on gun owners.

[Think. Again.]

36. I have only 2 words for garland....

Pipe.

Bomber.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

39. Do you have some evidence for the DoJ?

There’s a big reward.

[Think. Again.]

43. I suspect there's about 1000...

...home, office, and business security cameras in the area she walked around in all evening.

She came from somewhere, or some vehicle, and left the same way.

That's not even considering the cell phone pings she was seen on camera using.

This is the FBI we're talking about, I suspect they could name her if they wanted to.

[gab13by13]

46. If he/she is a Congressional Magat they have immunity.

[Think. Again.]

48. Apparently most high level magats do.

[Sky Jewels]

42. Three letters:

MTG

[Think. Again.]

44. ⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆

[gab13by13]

45. Cut Garland some slack,

In 3 years he has convicted 2 Trump cronies who were involved in the insurrection: Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro for blowing off a J6 select committee subpoena. Not sure if Garland would have prosecuted them were it not for the criminal referral.

Bannon and Navarro got 4 months in prison, that should teach them a lesson. Navarro will be out in time to speak at the GOP convention where I assume he will tell everyone how sorry he is for being a part of an insurrection. No word if Garland is investigating Navarro for more serious crimes. DOJ doesn't leak.

[Think. Again.]

47. But let's not talk about ...

...the multitude of other Jan. 6 criminals that he hasn't touched.

[Sky Jewels]

41. In Garland's world, orchestrating an attempted overthrow of the government is no big deal, but

this, THIS requires a major response!

[NanaCat]

50. No, it can be laid at the feet of Hunter Biden

Like it or not, he broke the law, and he--only he--is responsible for his actions.

[._.]

59. You know

I think it's safe to assume Garland won't be part of the second Biden Administration.

[boston bean]

62. Just out of embarrassment I am surprised he hasn't resigned to

spend some time with his family.

He is not the man for the job.

[ecstatic]

60. it's amazing how quickly his trial came and went

Meanwhile traitor trump will not be held accountable on the federal level before the election. It's disgusting and unforgivable.

[TexasDem69]

67. The speed of Biden's trial?

He was plainly guilty, there weren’t any extenuating circumstances, so this doesn’t seem unusual.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

68. Now the DOJ has precedent to prosecute

ammosexuals who lie to get guns. Including MAGAts.