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applegrove

(132,217 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 06:15 PM Jun 2024

The stunning reason Donald Trump thinks he's going to win

The stunning reason Donald Trump thinks he’s going to win

John Stoehr
June 13, 2024 6:45AM ET

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/raw-story-trump/

"SNIP.............

No presidential candidate in his right mind would say out loud for everyone to hear that he wants to establish for himself, in the words of Time magazine reporter Eric Cortellessa, “an imperial presidency.”

But that’s what he did. Over and over, in two long interviews with Cortellessa, published last week, the former president said he would turn the office of the president into something no one alive has seen.

Trump said, for instance, he would withhold funding for things he doesn’t like even if funding for those things had been approved by an act of Congress. To spell out its essence, this is what he’s saying:

“I would do the same thing I was impeached for the first time, and I would do it, as you can see from my saying this out loud for everyone to hear, with absolute impunity, not only for the rule of law and the Constitution but for the democratic institution that impeached me.”

...............SNIP"

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The stunning reason Donald Trump thinks he's going to win (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2024 OP
In my experience, every man who emits being "strong," no_hypocrisy Jun 2024 #1
Not bdamomma Jun 2024 #8
I would LOVE for some interviewer to lead him along with flattery and such Attilatheblond Jun 2024 #11
Huh? Is there evidence PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2024 #27
No solid evidence. soldierant Jun 2024 #33
Cheney wanted to establish an Imperial Vice Presidency. marble falls Jun 2024 #2
Nixon's "strong president" efforts seem benign in retrospect, but do you remember.... EarnestPutz Jun 2024 #6
I had forgotten about that. COL Mustard Jun 2024 #10
Thanks for the link. Jeez, those uniforms were worse than I remember. I said..... EarnestPutz Jun 2024 #15
Yeech, those uniforms looked horrible! Prof. Toru Tanaka Jun 2024 #29
Wow. I had never seen those. whopis01 Jun 2024 #32
Same ideas.... returnee Jun 2024 #16
I had never seen/heard of those before. whopis01 Jun 2024 #34
Fuck that fat fuck Nazi piece of shit Blue Owl Jun 2024 #3
He must not be aware of the Imperial Resistance Generic Brad Jun 2024 #4
May the force be with you! AKwannabe Jun 2024 #24
The stinking Nazi wants to be king Farmer-Rick Jun 2024 #5
What you've said is true. Plus, all those "people" vote. nt CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2024 #18
The Emperor has no diaper. dchill Jun 2024 #7
Rofl Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #20
And many Americans are fucking stupid enough to let it happen. paleotn Jun 2024 #9
In a nut shell odins folly Jun 2024 #12
Sycophants in Congress.... returnee Jun 2024 #17
He doesn't have the VP this time. So that is good. applegrove Jun 2024 #21
That's true and very good. returnee Jun 2024 #22
No. Of course not. That was my point. applegrove Jun 2024 #23
But, but...I thought the VP role... returnee Jun 2024 #25
Martial law MotownPgh Jun 2024 #26
"An imperial presidency" was a stated goal of the PNAC in the late 1990s. CaptainTruth Jun 2024 #13
No one can say that . . . peggysue2 Jun 2024 #14
He's so lacking in anything decent or honorable Joinfortmill Jun 2024 #19
Is there ANYTHING THIS LUNATIC CAN SAY TO LOSE HIS POLL NUMBERS? JFC!!!!! LymphocyteLover Jun 2024 #28
This is all by design Metaphorical Jun 2024 #30
"I'm a traitor. Vote for me." mwb970 Jun 2024 #31

no_hypocrisy

(54,908 posts)
1. In my experience, every man who emits being "strong,"
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jun 2024

is hiding a frightened and terrified child.

Sort of like Dr. Smith in the TV show "Lost In Space".

A fraud.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
11. I would LOVE for some interviewer to lead him along with flattery and such
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 08:42 PM
Jun 2024

then hit him with "Mr Trump, who was it who sexually abused you when you were young?"

THAT would be video for the ages.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
33. No solid evidence.
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jun 2024

The only evidence would be comparing his adult behavior to the behavior of adults who are known to have been sexually aboused. I don't have a list, but there have been studies doen. I also don't know whether there is a consensus.

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
6. Nixon's "strong president" efforts seem benign in retrospect, but do you remember....
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 07:49 PM
Jun 2024

......the idiotic “imperial guard” uniforms he dreamed up for the White House police.

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
15. Thanks for the link. Jeez, those uniforms were worse than I remember. I said.....
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 11:48 PM
Jun 2024

.........White House police, as I couldn't imagine Secret Service agents wearing them back then, given their button down image today. Are there uniformed Secret Service agents today? I'm guessing yes.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,926 posts)
29. Yeech, those uniforms looked horrible!
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 05:48 PM
Jun 2024

Out of curiosity, I looked up photos of Trump from his military school days and there were two photos of him in uniform with the “toilet brush” hat. It was hilarious!

whopis01

(3,919 posts)
32. Wow. I had never seen those.
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jun 2024

Thank you for sharing.

Beyond on that I don’t know what to say about those. Unbelievable. Can’t believe I had never seen them before.

Generic Brad

(14,374 posts)
4. He must not be aware of the Imperial Resistance
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 07:15 PM
Jun 2024

It's hard to be a leader when more than 70% vehemently refuse to follow. The only thing he knows how to lead is his own political demise.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
5. The stinking Nazi wants to be king
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 07:25 PM
Jun 2024

He's said as much. This diaper pooping psychopath, who falls asleep at his own criminal trials; wanders off on electrocution and shark fantasies all the while calling himself smart, wants to rule over you and I like a medieval English royal.

And some people think this is a good thing. Supreme court, justices in a democracy, think this is a good thing.

There are some very stupid people in the world.

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
9. And many Americans are fucking stupid enough to let it happen.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 08:07 PM
Jun 2024

Even Black and Hispanic Americans. I'm dumbfounded. Maybe the Japanese were right about us, only 83 years too early. We are lazy, weak and stupid. I weep for my country. I'll fight tooth and nail to ensure it doesn't happen, but the mere fact we're having to do that makes me weep for my country. Dear fucking god. He's a self proclaimed idiotic fascist diaper boy who can barely string together two rational thoughts. He should be scorned and laughed at not elected to fucking ANYTHING! I have to fight it sometimes, but sometimes I think we're fucked. Just fucked. Maybe not now but eventually. Fucked. This current crop of Americans doesn't fucking deserve what our founders left us. Please, god, if you do exist, let me die before I see the Republic I love fall.

odins folly

(596 posts)
12. In a nut shell
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 08:47 PM
Jun 2024

Because the snippet doesn’t show the actual reason, he has surrounded himself with sycophantic people who blow sunshine up his ass on a daily basis (hourly) and he is devoid of any actual reality. This makes his shit even worse.

He tells his followers that he is going to win via landslide. They believe everything he says. So when it doesn’t happen, they will be primed for a violent coup attempt again.

He doesn’t have the organizational advantage this time, but he does have sycophants in congress who will try and muck up the process, but hopefully we will control both houses come Jan 3rd and be able to shut that shit down tootsweet.

returnee

(926 posts)
17. Sycophants in Congress....
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 10:47 AM
Jun 2024

….and in State legislatures around the country. Not to mention the judiciary at w various levels. These may be all he needs- my big worry.

applegrove

(132,217 posts)
21. He doesn't have the VP this time. So that is good.
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 03:11 PM
Jun 2024

We know he thought Pence would cave because he was a Republican. No point in him trying to get Harris to go along with a coup.

returnee

(926 posts)
22. That's true and very good.
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 03:42 PM
Jun 2024

I was referring to State legislators and local interference with voting and vote counting. Also, do you think Harris would certify false slates of electors sent by states, not in concordance with vote tallies? Just curious.

returnee

(926 posts)
25. But, but...I thought the VP role...
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jun 2024

…is just ceremonial. If a state passes a law saying they can send any slate they want, who is VP Harris to override that?

That of course is what the magats would say. Would the constitutionality of the state law need to be challenged before she could lawfully reject such slates. Just trying to think ahead to possibilities. This shit keeps me up at night.

MotownPgh

(462 posts)
26. Martial law
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 05:32 PM
Jun 2024

Trump planned on declaring martial law over the January 6th turmoil to stay in office. They know Biden won't do that

CaptainTruth

(8,202 posts)
13. "An imperial presidency" was a stated goal of the PNAC in the late 1990s.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 09:17 PM
Jun 2024

Rove & Cheney & their minions did a lot of damage, but they couldn't achieve it.

Yet today... here we are.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
14. No one can say that . . .
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 09:20 PM
Jun 2024

American citizens weren't warned about the disastrous implications of a second Trump Administration. Agent Orange and his enablers, his pandering sycophants have told us innumerable times.

They are the destroyers, clear and simple. They've come to dominate and create a dystopian nightmare in their own image.

And if you don't like it??

Say bye-bye to your own personal freedoms (what few will be left) because resistance will be met by force.

This is the Trumpian vision from the Man Who Would be King.

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
30. This is all by design
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 05:58 PM
Jun 2024

I do not subscribe to the notion that Trump is a drooling idiot, though I do think he's showing signs of dementia. However, he also recognizes at this point that there is no benefit for him to be anything but perfectly clear in his intentions: he plans to become emperor, doesn't give a fig about democratic processes, and he is actively subverting the electoral system in the US.

There are all too many people in the US who don't care about the fact that we live in a democracy, and indeed see that as a weakness of the system that can only be rectified by an authoritarian leader. So long as they are allowed to make money off the exploitation of others, they don't care. Why should they? Most have never seen what a true authoritarian society looks like, and those that have usually related much more to the privileged than those who aren't. This is what the GOP is counting on. They know that they cannot win on policy, which is why they are instead relying upon culture war issues and the overt appeal to a "strongman" to motivate their base to take over by force what they can't win at the ballot box.

Trump knows he's going to lose. He's just hoping to be close enough to throw the outcome into doubt, then plans on doing everything he can to carve off as much power in the aftermath as he can manage.

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