When you've found an excuse to declare ALL civilians "guilty" - you're committing war crimes.

[TomDaisy]

[malaise]

1. THIS

Rec

[Ponietz]

2. Here's some common ground to build on

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/27/gaza-hamas-public-support-israel

JERUSALEM — More than six months into the war in Gaza and with dimming hopes for a cease-fire deal, Palestinians there are growing more critical of Hamas, which some of them blame for the months-long conflict that has destroyed the territory — and their lives.
The war has displaced most of the Gaza Strip’s population, killed tens of thousands of people and pushed the enclave toward famine, its infrastructure in ruins. The Israeli military waged a punishing campaign to eliminate Hamas after the group, which has ruled Gaza for 17 years, attacked Israel on Oct. 7, killing an estimated 1,200 people and abducting more than 250.
But while the majority of Palestinians in Gaza blame Israel for their suffering, according to polling conducted in March, they also appear to be turning their ire toward the militants. In interviews with more than a dozen residents of Gaza, people said they resent Hamas for the attacks in Israel and — war-weary and desperate to fulfill their basic needs — just want to see peace as soon as possible.
If Hamas wanted to start a war, “they should have secured people first — secured a place of refuge for them, not thrown them into suffering that no one can bear,” said Salma El-Qadomi, 33, a freelance journalist who has been displaced 11 times since the conflict started.

[SWBTATTReg]

5. And I suspect, perhaps wrongly, that Hamas is really acting on Iran's behalf, not the people in Gaza.

[Ponietz]

6. Shit for brains Hamas needs to surrender already

Protesters should demand it.

[TomDaisy]

7. I think they're too busy getting exploded or burned alive

[Ponietz]

9. You're not too busy

War IS a crime. Don’t start one.

[OneGrassRoot]

20. I took it to mean the Pro-Palestinian protesters like here in the US.

I've wondered from the start why there hasn't been more anger directed at Hamas from protesters. Even if not equal anger, SOME anger, just as some Palestinians have always felt toward Hamas. As the protests have gone on and more protesters profess that they actually support Hamas, that hasn't been altogether surprising.

[JI7]

21. What protestors are being burned alive and exploded ?

[Shipwack]

11. True, except that the Hamas leadership...

has nothing to lose by keeping on fighting. They are all safe and sound hundreds of miles away, I'm sure.

The true believers doing the actual fighting... I have no idea if they are able to be convinced. Laying down your arms might be a tough sell if you've seen your sister executed by the Israeli military...

(I realize you can make a similar argument for the Israeli soldiers, too.)

[yagotme]

32. Key words, "true believers".

They believe they have a special place in heaven if they're killed in a war with the infidel, or Israel. Paradise awaits. Look how the basic Hamas soldier lives, promise him paradise, and he'll fight to the death.

[Think. Again.]

3. K&R

That's been his tactic all along.

[JohnSJ]

4. When someone accuses someone of calling their child a liar, when they did

no such thing, that is called a strawman generalization

[TomDaisy]

8. Israel is committing war crimes.

[Cha]

17. Fucking HAMAS Started War Crimes.. if no Oct 7 No

Palestinians would be dead and the Israelis at the Nova Musical Peace Festival would still be alive. And ALL the other Israelis that The Butchers of Hamas Slaguthtered.

[DemocraticPatriot]

38. Responsibility for war crimes does not begin and end with who "started it"...

The fact that Hamas "started it" does not even BEGIN to excuse what Israel has since done in Gaza-- war crimes on a vast scale.

[Happy Hoosier]

42. Quite so, but when only calling out (((one side))), I call bullshit.

An posts like the OP's seem to be deliberately ignoring the many calls that all "zionists" are reposible for Gaza.

It's bullshit, and the the gaslighting isn't winning anyone over.

[Cha]

50. Yes it Does.. the way Genocidal Hamas Started it.. and the

Way Hamas Wont End it! Fuck Hamas!

The OP is Misquoting a Freed Hostage.. and accusing her of "war Crimes".. is up with that?

Mia Shem opens up about Gaza captivity: ‘Everyone there is a terrorist’

In a separate interview with Channel 12 News scheduled to air on Friday evening, Shem recalls how Hamas terrorists abducted her to the Strip during the Islamist group’s Oct. 7 massacre at the Supernova music festival in Israel’s northwestern Negev.

“The floor was splattered with blood and I yelled in pain, ‘I lost my arm!’” she told the network’s primetime “Ulpan Shishi” program, according to a clip posted to X (formerly Twitter).

“He [a Hamas terrorist] started touching the upper part of my body. Suddenly, someone grabbed my hair, pulled me in a car and drove to Gaza. I felt like an animal in a zoo.”

‘I was choking on my own tears …

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/mia-shem-opens-up-about-gaza-captivity-everyone-there-is-a-terrorist/

[AloeVera]

53. I believe this is what the O/P is referring to.

A post on the official "X" account of the Israeli government. It has been deleted. I found it's still up on the Israeli Embassy in Lithuania account.

In case it's deleted too, I am pasting the content here.

We need to talk about the elephant in the room.

Many Gazan civilians participated in killing, raping, and kidnapping Israelis on October 7.

It is also reported that Gazan civilians were paid by Hamas to hold hostages captive in their homes.

Hamas is intentionally involving the civilian population of Gaza in its war crimes.

The world must condemn this in the strongest terms.

Link to tweet

?t=dV3R-gu6UNOaNf6OP8Vlww&s=19

I saw the post myself, before it was deleted from the official Israeli government account. It caused a lot of outrage.

[Patton French]

10. When you've found an excuse to declare ALL Jews on campuses and elsewhere "guilty"

You’re committing crimes against humanity.

[Sky Jewels]

13. A couple of questions:

Could you please tell me how many Jews on U.S. campuses have been bombed and shot and murdered and maimed in the past 8 months? And how many have had their dwellings and towns leveled?

[Lonestarblue]

14. None.

[mopinko]

16. straw man.

[Cha]

22. HAMAs Started That SHIT in Israel on Oct 7.

and Now the Assholes Adjacent are spreading their Ugly Anti Semitism in the Streets and Universities .

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Iran's Khamenei tells visiting Hamas chief that Israel 'will one day be eliminated'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218972685

Link to tweet

[Dave Bowman]

26. Your main source of information is twitter?

[Beastly Boy]

67. Did you expect Assholes Adjacent to be spreading their ugly antisemitism in mainstream mdia?

Thankfully, we are not there yet.

But be patient, things change.

[Cha]

18. Exactly! TY Patton French!

[Patton French]

28. Hela

[AloeVera]

52. Who has said that?

Who has said all Jews on campuses and elsewhere are guilty? Which protest leader, political leader?

I'd like to know who that person is so I can tell them they do not represent the millions of people across the world protesting. I'll wait for you to let me know.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

63. You could do a search rather than trying to get someone hidden

[AloeVera]

66. Huh?

Sorry, you lost me. If any leader ever said such a thing, it would be a fact, and posting about it would not get anyone hidden.

[onecaliberal]

12. K&R

[Richard D]

15. The tragic truth is . . .

Too bad they started a war by raping, torturing, burning, decapitating, amputating, and murdering truly innocent civilians.
Too bad, in the words of their leaders, they worship death instead of life.
Too bad, in the words of their leaders, they have promised to continue to attack Israel until all Jews are dead.
Too bad they put civilians around military targets to increase the number of "innocents" killed for propaganda purposes,
Too bad that they still hold over a hundred kidnapped human beings who are being starved, raped, tortured, and abused.
Too bad that the billions of dollars sent there as aide was funneled into weapons, tunnels, and enriching their leaders to the tune of billions each.
Too bad they see martyrdom as a goal, even for their children.

[Martin Eden]

19. Did the Israeli government actually make such a declaration?

I don't doubt there's been some rhetoric to that effect by members of the government, but a "declaration" connotes an official statement.

[JI7]

23. It was a hostage that said it

[Martin Eden]

27. I can't imagine what it must have been like all those months

I won't condemn anyything that person said, but I don't see how children and babies can be guilty.

[AloeVera]

56. See post #53

[Takket]

24. what is the context of this? A quote from someone?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

25. A freed hostage said it

But a lot of people seem to be pretending Netanyahu said it for some reason. I wonder what that reason is…

[Cha]

29. And, someone just asked me if

my main source was Twitter. The Receipts with Videos.. like it's a bad thing.

Do you have the name of the Freed Hostage who said that.. I remember the news but can't find it now.

TY!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

30. Mia Shem was her name

I think the interview was from last December, but I’m not positive.

[Cha]

31. TY, AZ!

[question everything]

35. Mia Schem: 'I experienced hell. There are no innocent civilians in Gaza'

“It’s important to me to reveal the real situation about the people who live in Gaza, who they really are, and what I went through there,” she told Channel 13 news. “I experienced hell. Everyone there are terrorists… there are no innocent civilians, not one,” she said. “[Innocent civilians] don’t exist.

She told Channel 13 that she didn’t really believe she would be freed “until I got in the IDF vehicle, until I crossed the border into Israel.”

Right before she was handed over to the Red Cross, they “stuck a camera in my face and said ‘Say that we treated you nicely, that people in Gaza are nice and good.’ What else was I supposed to do?”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-hostage-mia-schem-i-experienced-hell-everyone-in-gaza-is-a-terrorist/

[betsuni]

36. Like, your main source is the internet OMG! It's all fake because ... oligarchs?

[AloeVera]

55. The Government of Israel amplified it, mafe a video even, on their official X account.

Them deleted it. Except their Lithuanian embassy didn't get the memo yet. I found it there.

See Post #53.

I wonder what the reason is they would amplify that and even make a video based on it? I also wonder why they would delete it?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

57. So you don't think Israel should be sharing the atrocities

Their citizen experienced?
I wonder why someone wouldn’t want a hostage to share their harrowing experiences at the hands of terrorists?

[AloeVera]

58. The message was about the "guilt" of Palestinian civilians.

Clearly.

The "elephant in the room".

Vilify civilians, paint them with the brush of guilt, all to provide justification for having murdered so many.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

59. The Palestinian civilians who shuttled her from house to house?

The ones who told her to lie to the camera? The ones who threatened to send her into the tunnels?

[AloeVera]

61. Ah yes. That's just how demonization works.

Smear the whole group with the sins of a very few.

But maybe I'm wrong and you don't believe all Palestinians are guilty?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

62. Where did I say all Palestinians are guilty?

[AloeVera]

65. Glad to hear it.

[yagotme]

33. A freed hostage, that was passed from Palestinian house to house,

thinks all civilians are Hamas? Well, I can understand that, because the only contact they had with Palestinians was as a captive. I doubt their opinion carries that much weight, and a stated opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are committing war crimes. If they grabbed up a rifle, and shot every Palestinian they saw, you'd have an argument, then. This argument is thin, thin enough to see the hate through.

[question everything]

34. As protesters declare all Zionists should die, all Jews are pedophiles and should "return" to Poland?

What type of crimes are these? When you vandalize a private home of a museum director, when you accost an elderly couple on the way from a synagogue - what type of crimes are these?

When innocent people are being used as human shield, who is “committing a war crime?’

Will not hurt to view the whole picture.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

51. But people threw MICE at protesters! NT

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Mia Shem

Has the right to say that - and she is not committing a War Crime by saying that.

Someone up thread said her opinion doesn't carry that much weight.

I beg to differ . . .

Her LIVED EXPERIENCE outweighs anything that anyone at DU safe and snug as a bug in America thinks.

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/mia-shem-opens-up-about-gaza-captivity-everyone-there-is-a-terrorist/

“Entire families are under Hamas. I realized I was staying with a family. I started to ask myself, why am I in a family home? Why are there children here? Why is there a wife here?” she explained.

He [a Hamas terrorist] started touching the upper part of my body. Suddenly, someone grabbed my hair, pulled me in a car and drove to Gaza. I felt like an animal in a zoo.”

‘I was choking on my own tears … ’

During Shem’s 54 days in Hamas captivity, a veterinarian operated on the bullet wound she sustained to her hand at the music festival, her aunt said late last month.

“There was an operation room. No anesthesia, no nothing. I was choking on my own tears. Then he looked at me and said, ‘Enough, or I’ll send you down to the tunnel,’” Shem recalled in the Channel 12 interview.

Same article quotes her as saying she experienced a shoah.

She's right.

She experienced a modern day Mengele with his "I'll send you down to the tunnels".

Fuck that guy! He's in on it.

[question everything]

41. But she DID NOT say what the OP claims.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Ahh is the op suggesting

That she THEN said it was genocide? Or am I misreading their quote?

ETA - Another snippet from the article I linked to:

Mia Shem speaks with Israel's Channel 13 News. (Source: Screenshot via JNS)
(JNS) In her first television interview since being released from Hamas captivity in the Gaza Strip four weeks ago, Israeli Mia Shem opens up about the abuse she suffered at the hands of Palestinian residents of the coastal enclave.

“It’s important to me to reveal the truth about the people who live in Gaza, about who they really are,” Shem says in a preview of an interview with Israel’s Channel 13 News, set to air on Thursday evening.

“I went through a Shoah,” Shem told the broadcaster, adding: “Everyone there [in Gaza] is a terrorist.

It's the statement regarding genocide in the OP - that is misleading - correct?

[question everything]

45. The OP just threw a comment never explained the source - if any - or the circumstances

Others suggested Mia Shem and they never agreed nor denied.

The reality is that there is a reason that Hamas is considered a terrorist organization and the other side is that many, including in DU consider Israel as colonialist.

Honestly, I think that posting the OP as is, never elaborating is like shou Fire in a crowded theater.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Agreed

We are 100% aligned!

Honestly, I think that posting the OP as is, never elaborating is like shou Fire in a crowded theater.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

60. This is a meta post about another accusing Netanyahu of saying that all Palestinians were terrorists

They selectively cropped a headline and were called out.
Apparently that hasn’t stopped some from running with the misinformation.

[betsuni]

39. What does that mean?

[Kaleva]

40. Allies targeted and killed 100's of thousand of German and Japanese civilians

We call our vets that served "Heroes".

[Mountainguy]

43. Imagine how obtuse it is

To be sitting safely in Los Angeles on a fancy college campus and telling somebody that spent 6 months being held hostage in Gaza about what it's like there.

[TomDaisy]

46. .

[tritsofme]

47. You think a freed hostage is committing war crimes? How disgusting.

She is the only one to make such a declaration.

[Cha]

49. What's your Source for your OP, Tom Daisy? Is it a Freed Hostage

you're Accusing of War Crimes?

[ecstatic]

54. I like the way you formulated your OP because

I think we all can agree with it. It shouldn't matter which side said it because it's true for all sides.

[Cha]

64. It Does MATTER A Freed hostage said something like that from

her Experience and the OP misquoted her. She's Not committing 'a GD "WAr Crime.

Mia Shem opens up about Gaza captivity: ‘Everyone there is a terrorist’

In a separate interview with Channel 12 News scheduled to air on Friday evening, Shem recalls how Hamas terrorists abducted her to the Strip during the Islamist group’s Oct. 7 massacre at the Supernova music festival in Israel’s northwestern Negev.

“The floor was splattered with blood and I yelled in pain, ‘I lost my arm!’” she told the network’s primetime “Ulpan Shishi” program, according to a clip posted to X (formerly Twitter).

“He [a Hamas terrorist] started touching the upper part of my body. Suddenly, someone grabbed my hair, pulled me in a car and drove to Gaza. I felt like an animal in a zoo.”

‘I was choking on my own tears …

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/mia-shem-opens-up-about-gaza-captivity-everyone-there-is-a-terrorist/

The OP conveniently doesn't post his Source so it's ends up being Flame bait for those who don't know all the information.

I asked what his source his and I got Crickets.