Gen Z influencers who supported Biden in 2020 turn against him

[pstokely]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gen-z-influencers-supported-biden-133040062.html

“Biden is out of step with young people on a number of key issues,” said the coalition’s founder, Aidan Kohn-Murphy, 20, who called “the frustrations of young progressive leaders a barometer of widespread dissatisfaction among Gen Z voters.”

Across TikTok, Instagram, YouTube and Twitch, anger and resentment toward Biden are boiling among Gen Z content creators who say they feel disaffected and betrayed by Biden’s positions on an array of issues, including the war in Gaza, the climate crisis and the president’s decision to support a potential TikTok ban. The rift has been exacerbated by the White House’s evolving strategy of courting friendly influencers while shutting out others who have been critical of the administration.

When Biden took office in 2021, the White House sought to fortify its relationships with Gen Z content creators, working with them to promote the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine and briefing them on key issues. At one such briefing on the war in Ukraine in 2022, press secretary Jen Psaki and Matt Miller, special adviser for communications at the White House National Security Council, told influencers that Biden viewed them as the “new media” and would strive to keep them informed.

Lately, however, the influencer strategy seems to have shifted, both at the White House and within the Biden campaign, influencers say.

[CurtEastPoint]

1. JFC these children are just.... unmanageable. TWENTY? WTF does he know?

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Gen Z's are the most powerful untapped pool of the electorate, period

Ignoring, or even worse, condescending to them, is a recipe for disaster.

The Biden campaign just hired a 24 year old social media coordinator- I hope she can make a significant shift in the campaign’s current strategy of excluding influencers who are critical of Biden’s policies, particularly on Gaza.

[CousinIT]

59. It's mind boggling to think they are so utterly unaware of the consequences of not supporting Biden right now.

I understand their gripes. It's not like they are not valid.

Do they think Trump (who they will elect by not voting or voting 3rd party or writing in a name) will be better for Gaza, climate change, reproductive rights, or LGBTQ rights? Do they want to ever vote again in their lifetimes and have it count?

They are missing a whole lot of context here and could not only screw up their futures for their lifetimes, but everyone else's too.

Did they learn history? Do they care if we become an authoritarian dictatorship? Do they think that is better than Biden? Have they ever lived under one? What do they think that will be like? What do they know about Fascism?

Do they not understand the choice before them?

How privileged they must be to believe they are to be able to ignore the Democratic Republic they've enjoyed all their lives, non-vote it away forever, and think things will improve.

I was young and idealistic once, too. I get it. But how to explain to them what will happen in Trump's second term, show them Project 2025 and say: "Hey I get it but you have two choices, Biden or Trump. Sitting this out is not an option. It elects the worst of the two of them. And guess what? In American elections, sometimes that's the choice. You vote for the candidate that is closest to what you want. It's not the perfect one on every issue. Because that unicorn doesn't exist. You take the bus that gets you closer, even if not at the exact spot you want to be. That's the choice. If Trump gets another term, they won't have any future opportunities to fight for Gaza or climate change, reproductive rights, or LGBTQ rights. They will have given them all up because they were mad at Biden. If we preserve that imperfect Republic, they can continue fighting for their beliefs. If we lose it, then we lose that right."

[Fiendish Thingy]

73. I think you're buying into media narrative a little too much

Yes, there are a significant number of Gen Z’s who are focused on and unhappy with, the Biden policy on Gaza, but there are also plenty of Gen Z’s active and engaged.

People like David Hogg, Maxwell Frost, and 25 year old Anderson Clayton, head of the NC Democratic Party.

We can’t lump them all together, and we can’t ignore or dismiss them.

[CousinIT]

74. I'm not advocating lumping them or ignoring or dismissing them.

But it seems someone could talk with the unhappy ones to give this race some historical context in their minds and point out the consequences for their lives and futures.

Politicians won't solve all our problems—that's unrealistic. But sometimes, voting for one who doesn't or can't do all you want or who you disagree with on some issues is all you can do -- so you can continue fighting for your ideals in the future and ensure that your rights remain intact.

You don't (if you have common sense) sit home and grumble and by doing so elect the worst one who will irretrievably take your right to fight for your issues in the future away from you, along with your civil and human rights.

I can't believe a disgruntled 20-year-old couldn't understand that. But if they are of the "tear it all down" mindset, then they are MAGA and unreachable anyway.

[B.See]

112. Exactly. File under:

Fuck Around and Find Out.

[edisdead]

103. they are supporting the downfall of democracy

they are supporting the downfall of democracy whether they know it or not… Though I suspect some do know.

Biden has been the most progressive president possibly ever but for sure in recent memory.

If their feelers get hurt by hearing the truth then it seems to me the accusations against them ring true.

There is no reasoning with them. How do win over people that cannot be reasoned with?

[Fiendish Thingy]

106. You speak of "them" as a unified, homogeneous group ala MAGA

Which is what the media narrative in the OP wants you to think, but couldn’t be further from the truth.

“Othering” an entire generation is not a strategy for victory.

Gen Z does not vote as a unified bloc, (although they do support Dems and progressives 2 to 1 over conservatives) and is not “supporting the downfall of democracy”.

Before you can reason with someone, you must first listen to them.

Let’s hope the Biden campaign’s new Gen Z social media coordinator plans to do a lot of listening in the coming weeks.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. lol "unmanageable"

[jimfields33]

28. He's old enough to vote.

[DoBW]

41. "barometer of widespread dissatisfaction among Gen Z voters."?

time for some new equipment, I smell Kirk and his Russian masters

[Walleye]

2. A lot of them really don't wanna vote anyway, they think it's not cool

Sorry just going on past percentages

[walkingman]

18. Talking to my 21 yo niece this weekend. I think you are right...hope they change their mind.

[John1956PA]

29. Moreover, some think it is cool not to vote. n/t

[Rebl2]

32. I think

when I was in my early twenties, more than forty years ago, people my age were not voting. I was voting in most elections then, (not always school board elections), but when it came to local representatives, mayor as well as state and national elections, I voted.

[sop]

3. Maybe Gen Z influencers will be happier with Trump as president.

[bottomofthehill]

6. my thought exactly

[walkingman]

22. I don't think they will vote for Trump - but will they vote at all?

Their rebellion is very irresponsible - they, more than anyone, will have to live with the results for a long time.

[Aristus]

40. Their brains may not be fully developed enough yet to understand that any vote that is not for Joe Biden

is a vote from Trump.

[yardwork]

50. They think they might be. More fodder for the outrage machine.

Influencers sell advertising, and in that respect they are no different from the yellow journalists and tabloids. Outrage sells. They don't think it matters who is president. They just want to sell clicks and views.

[sop]

60. I agree.

[JustAnotherGen]

66. Oooh boy - do I agree with you on this!

Sit next to a young couple in their 20's at a restaurant. They have their faces in their phones. They don't even look at each other.

[TheKentuckian]

91. Influencers may not have been influenced by enough zeros and commas in their checks.

[MOMFUDSKI]

4. They will reap what they

sow. It will be their country. Carry on

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Seems like both the campaign and the influencers are cutting off their noses to spite their faces

The Biden campaign is excluding critical influencers from policy briefings, and the influencers are amplifying narratives that voting for Biden in order to stop Trump is no longer a valid rationale.

Biden’s newly hired Gen Z social media coordinator has got her work cut out for her.

[LiberalFighter]

95. I don't trust anything Taylor Lorenzo has to say.

She would not know how the Biden Harris campaign is operating. Or understand all the pieces involved.

[Aviation Pro]

7. They are acting out like this because their parents didn't have the guts to say, "No."

Instead, they called them, my buddy, my hero and all other forms of coddling to produce these entitled terrorists.

This is on you Gen X.

[Celerity]

19. You are calling Gen Z 'entitled terrorists'? That's a productive track to gaining votes.

[Aviation Pro]

30. What else would you call a group of 'adults' who are holding democracy hostage

In furtherance of a political goal?

I also call them the lost, COVID generation.

[Celerity]

54. broad-brush much?

If I called Boomers 'entitled terrorists' (and Boomers, on balance, vote FAR more for Rethugs than Gen Z and Millennials) I would be flayed alive here.

But since I joined DU 6 years ago, it's been standard operating procedure for far too many here to broadly slate us younger folk relentlessly on a multiplicity of subjects.

It is absolute rubbish.

[Docreed2003]

62. I wish I could recommend this comment more than once

I said in another reply that "Ageism is a two way street".

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

64. You are right about a lot of Boomers voting R

and it infuriates me as I am one of younger members of that generation. All I can say is that Trump and his ilk are the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. If they are not stopped at the ballot box, there will be some unpleasant changes made that might end up becoming permanent. The right already controls the SC; if they get the House, Senate and WH, the takeover will become complete..

And for the young people who think it is cool not to vote, hey, the right wing loves that! It plays right into their hands because they will show up in force on Election Day. And they won’t consider the younger non-participants as cool but as fools for sitting by idly and doing nothing while they take over.

[angrychair]

76. Not all

Fnck their complaints. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard the phrase "I don't care what trump does. I guess we will have to learn our lesson" is literally terrorism. They are willing to burn the country down, potentially put us into a civil war, likely sign the death certificates for the people of Gaza and Ukraine and women and LGBTQ people here in the States.
If these young people are telling me they won't vote for Biden then I have no time for them.

As far as I'm concerned they should be completely iced out and ignored. I have no time for people that willingly and knowingly, create a situation in which a child, as young as twelve , is forced to have their rapist's baby.

I don't give a shit what their complaints are. I'm done with them.

[Celerity]

87. they slagged off the entire generation, they did not parse it out, so my post stands as valid

[NickB79]

109. No generation ever faced the kind of extistential threat we face today

The Greatest Generation faced and defeated US Nazi sympathizers in 1940 (the America First Committee). Then, they went to Europe and killed it at the source. But that pales in comparison to the attempted coup by the far right on Jan 6, because the coup plotters are not only not defeated, but actively trying to repeat it, with broad support from the US populace.

And beyond the threat of fascism within US borders, there's the global threat of climate change. It will literally displace or kill billions by the end of this century, and turn entire swaths of the planet into inhospitable wastelands, which some of these 20-yr olds may live to see. Beyond that, it is kickstarting a mass extinction event that we haven't seen in 65 million years.

None of the liberal-vs-conservative politcal matchups of the 20th century hold a candle to what we're seeing today. And I don't feel any of this is an exaggeration.

A lot more is riding on the shoulders of today's generation than at any other time in history. This truly feels like a make or break point in human history.

[MichMan]

113. 70-80 million killed during WWII including 420,000 Americans

You think that pales compared to Jan. 6th ?

[OldBaldy1701E]

115. History says this always happens.

The older generation berates the younger one for not doing things as they did, especially those who can't understand that things change and some old ways are best left behind (even as some should not be but get left behind anyway).

Being progressive is tough these days.

[kcr]

57. Sure.

Because the youth turnout in previous generations all turned out to vote, and this is a completely new thing.

[Aviation Pro]

65. I did, in 1976 when I was 18

Jimmy Carter, but I was raised by Greatest Generation parents.

I have no idea how Gen X raised this generation.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

84. You're correct

I've been listening to this happy hippie fantasy of how the youth of America is going to lead us out of the wilderness for over 50 years now.

[beaglelover]

85. 100% Truth Here.

Bill Maher just did an excellent segment about this very thing.

[eShirl]

8. cool, see what Trump gets you

dumbasses

[Think. Again.]

9. Everyone realizes that social media "influencers"

...are nothing more than paid spokespeople available to the highest bidder, right?

[Deep State Witch]

10. Kids - You Can't Always Get What You Want

Take a cue from a song from your grandparents' generation - You Can't Always Get What You Want. You're not getting a pony. You're getting your turn at keeping our democracy, and making it a "more perfect Union."

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. That's a song that Trump often plays at his rallies

Ignoring, or worse yet, condescending, to the most powerful untapped pool of the electorate is not a strategy for victory.

Giving them a seat at the table and listening to their concerns, just as Biden has done with the Congressional Progressive Caucus, is the path to developing a broad coalition to achieve victory in November.

[Deep State Witch]

15. Even After the Stones Threatened to Sue Him?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53208593

Rolling Stones warn Trump not to use their songs - or face legal action

The Rolling Stones have warned US President Donald Trump that he could face legal action if he continues using their songs at his campaign rallies.

A statement from the band's legal team said it was working with the performing rights organisation, the BMI, to stop the unauthorised use of their music.

The Trump campaign used the song You Can't Always Get What You Want at last week's rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The same song was used by the Trump campaign during the 2016 US election. "The Rolling Stones do not endorse Donald Trump," the band tweeted in 2016.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. You're missing the point.

Referencing Boomer-era songs (hijacked by the Trump campaign) to condescend to Gen-Z’s, the most powerful untapped pool of voters in the country, is a losing strategy.

Thankfully, the Biden campaign has just hired a Gen-Zer to coordinate social media strategy, and hopefully she will have the power to steer the campaign’s efforts in that area.

[walkingman]

27. Whatever it takes to win - They are an enigma to me. ☮

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. Indeed- whoever deciphers and motivates this enigma, wins.

And likely wins control of the government for a generation.

[DFW]

39. Let the Trumpanzees hijack these:

[Deep State Witch]

45. By the same standard

As the other poster, these are still Boomer and GenX songs. We need to be parodying him with Taylor Swift, Beyonce, or Olivia Rodrigo songs.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. Still missing the point. Nt

[former9thward]

37. Did they sue?

These groups always make these statements for public consumption but where is the actual lawsuit? The answer is that they have sold the rights to their music so they can't sue. The music no longer belongs to them.

[BlueTsunami2018]

12. Not very wise or bright it seems.

Kids aren’t generally celebrated for their wisdom and this is a prime example of why.

[magicarpet]

56. Gen Z,... YOU'LL BE SORRY! 《So will we all》..

Think - before you vote.

[JT45242]

13. sounds like my 17 YO son...who spouts this BS all the time

Perhaps tik tok is not the place for deeply reasoned understanding of complex issues like both Hamas and Netanyahu can be doing evil things.

These "influencers" -- need black/white simplistic views for short click bait videos rather than deeply reasoned and researched opinions.

The anti-intellectualism in America is not limited to the right

[LeftInTX]

70. Will he be old enough to vote in November?

[JT45242]

97. Yes. Turns 18 in August

Already working on getting him to be aware of getting absentee ballot since hys college is out of state

[Bettie]

16. Lots of "GET OFF MY LAWN" energy in this post

but hey, those kids...wait, isn't that what all of your parents said about "these kids today", and your grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.

But, fine, write them off. Tell them they don't matter, that they are stupid, that they are worthless, every time you interact with them. I'm sure that will bring them around to your way of thinking.

[walkingman]

36. As a child of the 60s....

the difference I see in Gen Z is they do not seem to understand that posting on your FB, Instagram, etc. and local protests is the same as VOTING. There is only one why to change government and that is to VOTE.

[Bettie]

42. So, your answer really is

"these kids today, they don't do it like we did in my day"?

They turned out in the last few elections. They have been turning out in higher numbers than older generations did at their age, but it isn't good enough, eh?

https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/gen-z-voted-higher-rate-2022-previous-generations-their-first-midterm-election

[walkingman]

48. No it is fantastic - I want them to do exactly that.....Just VOTE!!!

Bitch, moan, cry, raise hell, just VOTE!!

[Bettie]

63. I think there is a lot of misinformation

and assumptions regarding Gen Z. They are vocal, opinionated, but they also vote and the ones I know are very practical as well.

My sons are angry about a lot of things, but they also know that republicans will move everything backward and that third parties are as my middle one said "a scam".

[Celerity]

55. thank you

[lapfog_1]

44. they are not stupid and they do matter

however a large segment of 18 to 25 year olds have been mind hacked by constant propaganda from both Russia and China.

Reason and logic and history will not reach these people. Frankly I don't know what will. They won't vote for Trump... but it sounds like they won't vote for Biden either.

They are strongly anti-war, but they have no solution for conflicts themselves.

They are very anti climate change but they do not practice anything other than token lifestyle changes.

Many are ageist and some are becoming antisemitic and even intolerant to the point of near fascism ( the woke extreme ).

Most understand that they are being trained in job skills that will not be needed in the near future and this is weighing heavily ( if subconsciously ) on their outlook for the future and their ability to lead any sort of lifestyle similar to that of their parents grandparents and especially their great grand parents ( the greatest generation which was the last generation that looked forward to upward mobility, stable jobs, home ownership, vacations, and raising children ).

[LeftinOH]

20. The coalition's founder is 20 years old - meaning he was 16 in 2020, and just

12 years old in 2016 when it was Clinton v. Trump. He wasn't even eligible to vote until the 2022 midterms. The "frustrations of young progressive leaders" is awfully misplaced, considering what we're up against and what current administration *has* been able to accomplish.

[LeftInTX]

68. Yeah, wish they would have contacted someone who was old enough to vote in 2020.

I don't doubt there are plenty out there who are changing their mind. But if someone was simply "anti-Trump" and not old enough to vote in 2020, it's harder to take the story more seriously.


I don't doubt the sentiments. However, feedback from Biden supporters who were old enough to vote in 2020 would provide more insight. OTOH, we have been hearing this for months. Just not the most prudent decision to interview someone who was too young to vote in 2020.

Statistically, he "can't change his mind", because he didn't pull the lever in 2020. Obviously on an emotional level he's changing his mind. But it's kinda like the people under 18 who supported George McGovern in 1972. They supported him, but couldn't vote for him. My sister volunteered for McGovern. Others put bumper stickers on their lockers. Many participated in anti-war protests at school, but they couldn't vote for McGovern.

[BComplex]

23. They think the COVID shutdown can't happen again under another trump presidency?

Now that they think they're invincible to pandemics, they're going to be ready to go through that again? And if they complained about trump online the next time, they'll get doxxed and threatened and possibly shot.

No sex because no abortions? No birth control? They're not of the age that that's going to go over too well for their future, either!

I don't mind if they voice their opposition to some of Biden's policies, as long as they vote for him anyway.

[TwilightZone]

24. I would happily live in a world where "influencer" never became a thing.

It's not universally applicable, but my first thought about the term is usually to wonder who's paying for the content.

Famous for being famous, and propped up by commercial or political interests.

[JI7]

25. What is wrong with banning tiktok. The Chinese Govt has control over it

and look at what they are doing to the Uighurs . Don't they care about Uighur lives ?

[Ursus Rex]

78. Not until one of the bigger influencers tell them about the Uighurs.

It's not a great system to buy into and/or try and build a key part of your electorate around. It's a bunch of kids trying to earn clicks and get paid. They are NOT trained journalists or historians.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. this thread is terrific

[Docreed2003]

33. As a Gen X'er I always find these types of threads interesting and amusing

The responses are almost predictable

[walkingman]

53. The Gen Z vote is very important in the 2024 election - I do find it interesting not amusing.

[Celerity]

58. IF this poll is remotely accurate & IF its results are remotely mirrored in the election, we are potentially in trouble

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4987296/young-voters-biden-gaza-inflation-abortion-trump-genforward-poll

Five months out from the presidential election, the state of the youth vote, in some ways, remains a question mark. It’s a regularly covered topic as President Biden continues to receive low marks from Gen Z and millennial voters, even as the same age group decidedly voted for him four years ago.

But among younger Black, Latino and Asian American voters, who overwhelmingly sided with Biden in 2020, and at higher rates than young white voters did, support has considerably faltered, according to the University of Chicago’s latest GenForward survey. The survey, exclusively obtained by NPR, which was conducted from May 10-22, polled the political attitudes of 2,089 Americans under 40, with largely equal samples of white, Black, Latino and Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) individuals.

It found that just one-third of all young Americans said they would back Biden if the election was held at the time the survey was conducted. The poll also reflects a virtual tie in the race. Biden leads former President Donald Trump by just two points, and 34% of respondents are currently backing a third-party candidate or said they would support “someone else.”

Plus, despite speculation over how U.S. support for Israel may negatively affect Biden’s youth coalition, the poll found that the war in Gaza is not the top voting issue for most young Americans. Instead, economic concerns, particularly over inflation, remain front and center. That said, the economy is one of several policy areas, along with immigration and the war in Gaza, where respondents were less likely to pick Biden as the best candidate to handle the issue, illustrating a potentially deeper problem for his campaign with younger Americans.

In 2020, 89% of Black voters aged 18-29 voted for Biden, as well as 78% of those aged 30-44. In the latest GenForward survey, just 33% said they would support him if the election were held today and 23% chose Trump. Trump is beating Biden among young Latino voters by a four-point margin. It’s a significant drop in support for Biden compared to four years ago, when he won 69% of Latino voters under 30, and 62% of those 30-44.

The poll:

http://api.genforwardsurvey.com/download/422/?f=true

[Docreed2003]

61. Well patronizing them and talking down to them with comments like:

"You can't always get what you want" is going to do very little to inspire them.
I don't disagree that they are important, I wholeheartedly agree. But folks here need to understand something: this is an entire generation who has been brought up to believe and told time and again "your voice matters" "you are important" "you can make a difference", it's literally a mantra in damn near every type of media they've been exposed to since they were old enough to appreciate television and mass media. Now that they are old enough and adept with social media to actually use their voices, some would rather they shut up and fall in line. If you don't like what they're saying, fine, but at least give them the decency of listening to what they're saying and give them a seat at the bargaining table!

My sarcastic amusement is more towards the "get off my lawn" "shut it kids what do you know" "young people don't even vote" responses from types who love to shit on these kids in these threads. It's pathetic and could very well be our undoing in this election if we aren't careful.

Ageism is a two way street.

[Aepps22]

86. Blind Spots

I think many DUers have huge blind spots when it comes to the supposed political activities of people they don’t interact with every day. Whether it’s African Americans, young people, etc, we will get random articles saying that this group or that group are abandoning Joe then predictably we get a series of responses talking down to that group which is interesting. I have faith in these young people and everyone else in our coalition.

[TheKentuckian]

105. Give then a seat at the table how?

I'm over 50 and don't have much of such either much less an ability to give one out.

Hell, I'm not sure that even the boomers really dominate the levers of power, considerable influence? Sure but the actual power seems to largely still be in the hands of the Silents.

Sorry that it is tough to become a billionaire in your early 20's and otherwise if you are not aligned with the status quo then you are not going to have a great amount of sway other than one person and one vote, if one can even get that.

Their best opportunity for influence would be bothering to show up and support actual candidates in primaries so they need to get serious about investing a few minutes in the spring if they want positive influence over politics rather than throwing a tantrum about who the folks that showed up not doing what they would wish.

[Takket]

34. " shutting out others who have been critical of the administration."

Clearly you are not familiar with how reality works if you think people will embrace you at the same time you are criticizing them.

[JI7]

35. Who and what did they support in the midterms ?

who are they supporting for local and state elections ?

[Irish_Dem]

38. If Trump wins, these kids will have a very steep learning curve.

They will face very real and serious issues on a daily basis.
TikTok will be the least of their problems.

[Initech]

43. I don't give a shit how "out of step" he is. Don't vote MAGA!

A vote for MAGA is a vote for Putin's brand of totalitarianism to take over the US. We cannot let that happen!

[sakabatou]

47. And if the worse should happen, and TSF is back in office

I wonder if they'll say, "I'm really glad I didn't vote for Biden!"

[LeftInTX]

71. They'll have really have something to gripe about if Trump wins.

I remember right after Trump was elected: "Not my president" protests all over the place.

I hope those protesters voted for Hillary and were not just complaining. Some of those protesters (who hit people) were literally anarchists who don't vote.

On well, their Tic Toks accounts will be making money if Trump wins.

[TheKentuckian]

99. The Hillary test may not be very applicable to this group

That election was eight years ago so most of them didn't have the option.

[Johonny]

49. He has plenty of "influencer" support

Sadly pumping money into the propaganda machine of TicToc is nesseesary these days

[Blue Owl]

51. Yeah it would be preferable to go back to the Nazi era

Get your heads outta your asses you punks!

[Bluesaph]

52. My son is Gen Z

We had a good talk yesterday about this and he said, “Of course I’m voting for Biden and so is everyone else I know. And when he wins we will hold his feet to the fire!”

The alternative is Trump and he won’t give two shits about any of their favorite issues!!!

[Mountainguy]

67. Young people are idiots

Their brains haven't even developed fully.

It's a two-choice option.

Trump isn't going to save TikTok, Gaza, or the climate.....he's going to be worse for each of those things.

But, in the end it'll be like always. Youth will be the lowest turnout rate and most that turnout will vote for Democrats. There is noting inherently special or different about Gen Z.

[MagickMuffin]

72. That's really rude and condescending with that broad brush

They are the future and we need them just as they need us.

[PeaceWave]

69. Meh. Half of Gen Z is living at home, waiting for their parents to drop dead.

Back in the 60s, ennui was something you earned. You had your job, house, car, and kids before you started wondering about what it all means. Gen Z has that mindset before they've accomplished anything at all. Personally, it scares the bejeezus out of me to think what their generation will do with the world once the car keys are handed to them.

[Celerity]

81. bollocks, that is staggering revisionism and lack of taking massive cost of living increases into account

You had your job, house, car, and kids before you started wondering about what it all means.

As if having all those is remotely possible for the majority of Gen Z now.

We are talking 11 year olds to 26, 27 year olds (Gen Z)

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/mortgages/real-estate/median-home-prices-by-state/

A 4 year bachelor degree's total cost (on a national average) at an in-state public uni is well over $100,000, went over 100K usd 4 or 5 years ago.

https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college

[Torchlight]

75. I'll remain optimistic. Guarded, but optimistic.

A Harvard Youth Poll from April (top 3 gen z concerns remain static between then and now) show numbers about what I'd expect, and as I believe the 'position' of Influencer is simply the e-hipster trend of renaming spokespeople, I'll remain optimistic. Guarded, but optimistic.

President Biden's lead among young men is six points; among young women his lead is 33 points;
President Biden's lead among 18-24 year-olds is 14 points, and among 25-29 year-olds it is 26 points;
President Biden's lead among white voters is 3 points; among non-white voters his lead is 43 points;
President Biden's lead among college students is 23 points; he leads by 47 points among college graduates. The race is even among those not in college and without a four-year degree.

[jimfields33]

89. Right.

[TheKentuckian]

100. I'm not super concerned about the ones that will show up

It is those that wilfully refuse to that are the problem.

[underpants]

77. This is not good.

They had a big impact in 2020

[boston bean]

79. Well they ain't seen nothing until they help elect Trump. What a bunch of ignorant losers.

[bucolic_frolic]

80. They're as self-centered as Trump. It's all about them and what they want.

Politics is a community game. Not a single issue expression of one's ego.

[betsuni]

82. Welcome to another episode of the "Blame Democrats!" show.

This week, like every week, our guests complain about bad things they think Democrats are doing or not doing whether it's true or not and it's usually not, accuse them of not doing what they have no power to do, whine about not getting enough attention, and threaten not to vote for vague reasons.

[rockbluff botanist]

83. The Draft

That should get their attention. They could not survive the restrictions military life imposes.

[Iris]

88. FAFO

That is all

[Buns_of_Fire]

90. "Influencer": Anyone with 3 or more "likes" on TikTok. nt

[Elessar Zappa]

92. I'm more worried about the older generations.

They’re the ones who primarily put Trump in office in 2016.

[EllieBC]

93. Have they tried being honest?

Like just say they dgaf about women or LGBTQ and they don’t give a shit about voting rights. Just honestly say they think it might suck for 4 years of Trump Part 2 but somehow it’ll all magically go away.

They should just admit they don’t understand the damage Trump was able to do in 2016 will be much worse.

And then they should admit they don’t care so people can stop wasting time thinking about them.

[LiberalFighter]

94. Taylor Lorenzo probably thinks she is better than everyone else.

She thinks she knows the subject matter when she has never worked in the field.

[Behind the Aegis]

96. Federal judge blocks Title IX rule for LGBTQ students in Kentucky, 5 other states

Source: Lexington Herald-Leader

Updated June 17, 2024 11:29 AM


A federal judge has blocked the implementation of a new Title IX rule that prohibits discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.

Danny Reeves, chief judge in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky, handed down an opinion Monday that enjoined enforcement of that portion federal civil rights law, which was recently implemented by the administration of Democratic President Joe Biden.

Scheduled to take hold in August, the rule would have expanded Title IX civil rights protections explicitly to LGBTQ+ students for the first time since the enactment of the 1972 law.

The new rule would clarify that Title IX law applies to discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. Reeves in his 93-page decision Monday said, “There are two sexes: male and female.”

Read more: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article289283380.html
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143257683

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[bpj62]

98. As the father of three Gen Z children

I have had multiple talks with my children about the importance of voting for Biden this fall. I have addressed the war in Gaza with them and our governments continued support of Israel. I pointed our to them that if Trump is elected Gaza will be turned into a parking lot and then Trump will unleash the religious fascists on my children's non binary friend's.

This 20 year old influencer couldn't vote in 2020 yet somehow he thinks he knows more about the world then anybody else because he has alot of followers. Does he not understand that Trump and his followers will clamp down on people like him because there can only be one leader and one message.
If Trump is somehow reelected he is never leaving the Whitehouse and democracy as we know it will be done. He will have the courts in his back pocket and the Constitution will be shredded to pieces. He will imprison or execute his political opponents to make a point and put fear into anyone who even thinks of challenging him. Gen Z should be listening to Trump and to his acolytes because they are telling you what they are going to do if they get the Whitehouse and it will be bad for anyone who isn't a white republican male.

[SarahD]

101. How about student debt?

Go right ahead. Elect Trump and see about student loan forgiveness.

[Botany]

102. Oh please this is 100% codswallop

Jews and Palestinians haven’t gotten along for almost 80 years but now it is
Joe Biden’s fault? I smell Russia and China all over this misinformation campaign.

[brush]

104. Sounds kinda bullshitty to me. What, the mentally declining trump is in step with young voters?

Do they even listen to trump? Biden makes clear, coherent sense when he talks. He and Blinken haven't been able to get Netanyahu and Hanas to agree on a ceasefire in Gaza yet but they keep trying.

trump is vowing retribution, bloodshed and round up of people for deportation, for God's sake.

Somebody needs to get a clue.

[NickB79]

107. Good luck living another 50-60 yr under a RW fascist America

At least I can blend in with the MAGA crowd, being 44-yr old, white, bearded guy who drives a truck, works in a factory and goes hunting and fishing. My Hispanic wife and child at least have me as a shield as well to give them some cover from the MAGA horde if they're targeted. My wife knows how to play the "good" Hispanic if push comes to shove, because she's lived in rural areas long enough as well. Same with her mom, who's lesbian but very discreet about letting anyone know it.

But these pseudo-adults, assuming they're white, talking about not voting for Biden, are literally condemning their trans, gay, Muslim, Black and undocumented friends to harassment and discrimination at best, death at worst, if Trump is elected. Seriously, have none of them actually talked to people who are most impacted by far-right hate? Another Trump administration will cause people to die. A lot of people. This isn't hyperbole.

And if they're women? They're condemning themselves to a steady erosion of rights, to the possibility of an unwanted child in an abusive relationship, or even death from a botched home abortion.

[budkin]

108. Just wait until we're all living in a fascist regime

What will they think of Biden then?

[Oneironaut]

110. You realize none of these people vote anyways, right?

They weren’t going to vote anyways. It’s just a convenient excuse not to do so.

[DFW]

111. My two daughters were born in Germany, and consider their native language to be German

However, I got them American citizenship when they were born, and they take their responsibility as citizens to vote in American elections very seriously. They haven't missed a presidential election since they were eligible to vote.

[lees1975]

114. So back away, stupid idiots, and help Trump win

and then absolutely NOTHING you care about will get any consideration at all and YOU LOSE BIG.