The pro-Israel lobby is spending millions to defeat one of the most progressive and effective elected leaders Congress

[TomDaisy]

Link to tweet

so much spending against good Democrats.

[The Mouth]

1. We don't need to be supporting people who call self defense "War Crimes"

Once Hamas and their supporters no longer exist I shall begin to care about what Israel does.

Fuck Hamas, and to hell with anyone who doesn't want to see them ended.

[TomDaisy]

2. Israel is committing war crimes. Facts are facts.

[Kaleva]

3. Is Hamas committing war crimes?

[JohnSJ]

8. crickets from the single issue posters, who also seem to never mention the hostages, or the killings and rapes on

October 7. In fact their silence was deafening immediately after October 7, with some even trying to excuse it.

[Kaleva]

11. Yes

[whathehell]

57. That may be because

October 7 was one day, a HORRIFIC day, yes, but, in contrast to the IDF's eight month slaughter of Palestinians, still just one day.

[AloeVera]

79. It should be clear Oct 7th can't be changed, but the slaughter of Palestinians can be ended.

The slaughter and shocking, inhumane immiseration affecting a million kids and a million adults goes on today like it has for 8 months. It's cruel, relentless, unbearable to watch daily let alone experience. It is happening right now, not in the past.

Yet we are asked to continue centering our outrage on Oct 7th as if by doing so somehow the killings and war crimes of the IDF going on for 8 months and RIGHT NOW could be justified. Or as if nothing could ever be worse than Oct 7. It's sad and scary because we've long surpassed the retribution of an eye for an eye and yet there isn't much recognition beyond lip service of the human catastrophe and suffering in Gaza. It's still only about October 7 for many, whereas it should be about ending terrible human suffering, wherever it occurs, period. No exceptions, nor impunity.

[whathehell]

83. Yes.

[yagotme]

87. How many YEARS has Hamas been making attacks and launching missiles? nt

[brush]

34. Also too, but the Netanyahu/Likud admin definetly is. What's the death count in Gaza now...

approaching 40,000 vs the 1200 killed on Oct. 7 in Israel.

What else but "war crimes" are those kind of horrific numbers? And who knows what's buried in the rubble that is now Gaza?

And of course Hamas must be eliminated, but the corrupt warmonger Netanyahu must go also, and be tried for his corruption.

[TheKentuckian]

71. A casualty differential is not a war crime.

I have not a clue where this assumption would even come from.

[brush]

80. Bs. You don't call constantly raining down bombs on civilian housing for 8 months now a war crime?

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You need to get a clue.

The ICC and other nations in the world are calling it a war crime.

I think I'll go with international opinion. The Netanyahu/Likud admin are guilty of war crimes. That disparity of deaths can't be ignored, and in world opinion, it hasn't been.

But carry on in your cloistered info silo and ignore what's right before your eyes.

[TheKentuckian]

85. No, a casualty differential is not a war crime

it is certainly not an existing standard but is a goofy, illogical, and nonsensical one.

If you are taking too much damage then it is your job to know when to fold em.

It worked out for the people and decedents of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan otherwise the hammer must be kept down until the capacity for further agression is taken out.

If this cannot be grasped then check your own "silo", I guess.

[betsuni]

86. +1

[brush]

89. I'm going with the ICC's and international opinion...

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not yours. War crimes are being committed in Gaza in the opinion of the world.

Deal with it.

[Celerity]

45. both sides are, a pox on both the terrorist thugs Hamas and the religio-fascist Netanyahu government

[iemanja]

69. Yes, and they have been indicted for them

as has Israel. This is public knowledge.

[sheshe2]

74. Simple answer, yes.

[ColinC]

82. Yes. The criminal is committing crimes. But why is the police?

[Butterflylady]

22. They don't want to hear that, although it's truth.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. AIPAC is spending millions to support a Democrat who isn't a 9/11 truther and 10/7 denier

Fixed it for you.

[JohnSJ]

7. +++, and someone who is anything but an effective legislator. and Bowman went out of his way to push the LIE that there

was no evidence of beheaded babies, or raped women. That is deplorable and outrageous.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793844

[sheshe2]

59. Thank you.

[whathehell]

70. What Democrat seriously running for office

is either?...Fix THAT for us.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

76. Easily Google-able

[whathehell]

84. Then you need to do that

and include the link with your post -- That's how things work here.

[Model35mech]

5. Sides were chosen, some pretty long ago, some sooner, now we see the result

You can split the democratic party on questions around social justice

It depends on loyalty to beliefs, and whose ox (or ass/donkey if you wish) has been gored.

This shouldn't be surprising.

Democrats approach complex questions with open mindedness leading to ambiguity, even while at the granular level (level of individuals) its set in stone around personal history and personal beliefs/loyalties..

[Uncle Joe]

6. Has anyone heard whether Lattimer has disclosed his finances yet?

Latimer Fails to Disclose Finances in Closely-Watched Democratic Primary

(snip)

Under the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, U.S. House candidates are required to file financial disclosures with the Clerk of the House within 30 days of qualifying as a candidate. Latimer, who publicly launched his campaign in the first week of December and registered with the Federal Election Commission on December 4, still has not filed his disclosure.

(snip)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/106828144

https://readsludge.com/2024/06/03/latimer-fails-to-disclose-finances-in-closely-watched-democratic-primary/



Thanks for the thread TomDaisy

[AloeVera]

13. Yes.

Link to tweet

?t=o0JHqNgRkSfDqjAEGitcBA&s=19

[lapucelle]

54. Any updates on why Congressman Bowman missed the May 15 deadline with his disclosure form?

https://disclosures-clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2023/30021380.pdf

[lapucelle]

56. Imagine telling folks who are voting in June, "I'll disclose my finances in August." N/T

[lapucelle]

60. Has anyone heard why Bowman still has not disclosed his finances?

https://disclosures-clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2023/30021380.pdf

[sarisataka]

9. Yet "Abandon Biden" passes

With nary a comment, perhaps a dismissive wave

[tritsofme]

10. Well, he certainly seems to be quite effective at alienating Democratic voters in his district.

Latimer would be a huge upgrade! It would be wonderful to have a real Democrat and strong pro-Biden voice in that district!

[AloeVera]

14. $12 million dollars in attack ads goes a long way toward changing minds.

A "real Democrat"? Is that like a "real American"?

[JohnSJ]

17. If Bowman loses he has no one to blame but himself with his false

comments about Oct 7th, 9/11 conspiracy nonsense, etc

and if he loses he will do what Nina Turner did when she lost, blame it on “Jewish evil money”

[AloeVera]

23. If that is the case, then the attack ads would not have been necessary.

At least it seems to me.

[FBaggins]

68. The attack ads calling Latimer anti-choice and pro Trump?

What does their necessity say?

[Happy Hoosier]

90. They are only "attack ads" if you don't agree with them.

If Bowman can defend his position, he should, and let the people decide. Unless the “attack ads” are lies, I have no sympathy.

[LiberalFighter]

64. I hope she is not a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.

[Elessar Zappa]

18. Let's not go the direction of who's a true Democrat.

I’m not a Bowman fan at all but he’s a Democrat just as Joe Manchin and Sinema were.

[TheKentuckian]

12. Effective in what way?

Trying to elect Chump?

[JohnSJ]

15. Pulling fire alarms, then initially saying he didn't, until he was caught on film

[yardwork]

26. Oh, was that him? Embarrassing.

[TheKentuckian]

42. There is that sterling example of leadership.

[JohnSJ]

44. LOL

[LexVegas]

16. Is he the 9/11 truther? Heh. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

32. He was until people found out about it a few months ago... NT

[sheshe2]

62. Yes.

He also said there was no sexual violence on 10/7. He finally had to walk that one back, however he never apologized.

[EllieBC]

67. There are still 9/11 "truthers" in 2024?

That’s still a thing? I guess being a delusional whackadoodle is always in style.

[Mountainguy]

19. And?

What's the problem with a PAC supporting a Democrat?

[TheRealNorth]

20. I guess if you like big money purchasing our politicians...

[tritsofme]

21. AIPAC has contributed millions over the years to Democrats like Biden, Jeffries, Pelosi. Are they "purchased"?

[betsuni]

24. There's never evidence or example of any Democrat changing policy or position -- if so many were

bought and sold/purchased/bribed, why not name names and give proof?

And the idea that PACs running negative ads mesmerize voters as if they're mindless idiots is ridiculous. The Lincoln Project had the best, most devastating anti-Trump ads. Trump got more votes in 2020. No evidence all those negative ads affected anything.

[JohnSJ]

46. They need a scape goat in case they lose

[betsuni]

48. The rigged card. They're out to get me because they're terrified, I'm the victim, WITCH HUNT!

The actual voters who simply wanted someone else? Inconceivable.

[TomDaisy]

25. big REPUBLICAN money deciding Democratic races....

[betsuni]

37. How does a PAC decide Democratic races?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

58. It's amazing the contempt some hold Democratic voters

Thinking they’re completely unable to think for themselves and only vote for whoever they see in ads….

[betsuni]

65. I've seen the nutty explanation that voters are hoodwinked by Democrats whose diabolical plan is

to pretend to be socially progressive while having the same corporatist neoliberal economic policies and despising the working/middle classes as Republicans. And once voters watch an ad they are brainwashed. Literally everything is about money. The whole ideology is based on the supernatural power of money.

Why the constant chant of disappointed, lied to, betrayed, taken for granted directed at Democratic voters to try to convince them not vote and let the nice Republicans win. .

[Cha]

61. NO you're Wrong. Democratic Voters

Will Be Deciding This Election

[Mountainguy]

81. Same Republican money that was given to Biden??

Jeffries and other democrats?

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/summary?id=D000046963

They have given more to Ds than Rs Lately.

[yardwork]

27. Do you live in that district?

If not, why to you care? It's a safe D district and we need it to stay safe. Let the people in the district choose their candidate.

[betsuni]

28. How is he one of the most effective leaders in Congress?

Could somebody familiar with him please give examples of this?

[Cha]

38. lol

sorry for lol.. But.. all I hear are crickets.

If you'd like to see how other leaders who endorse George Latimer feel about him.. May I suggest .. Posts.. 29 thru 35?

TY!

[betsuni]

40. If I was a constituent of anyone who voted against Biden's infrastructure bill...

[Cha]

49. Exactly And NOT Funding the

Capitol Police!

TY!

[Cha]

50. Exactly And NOT Funding the

Capitol Police!

TY!

[Cha]

29. . NY-16: Jamaal Bowman finds himself in the crosshairs of a Black voter group

A national group arguing Rep. Jamaal Bowman is too radical to represent mainstream Black voters has joined the crush of critics spending big to keep the progressive from a third term, POLITICO has learned.

The National Black Empowerment Action Fund, founded by AIPAC veteran Darius Jones, plans to sink an initial half million dollars into a NY-16 offensive that includes directly interacting with Black voters and mobilizing local officials. More spending is anticipated as they raise more money.

“We could have stayed out of it, but the need was too great, the sense of urgency was too high,” Jones said in an interview.

Jones formerly served as the national African American constituency director for AIPAC, or the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The National Black Empowerment Action Fund’s other senior adviser, Richard St. Paul, is also an AIPAC alum.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/jamaal-bowman-black-voter-group-00160630

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218992284

[Cha]

30. "Mondaire Jones hugs Westchester County Executive George Latimer after endorsing him"

Link to tweet

[Cha]

31. NY-16: Stonewall Democrats endorse George Latimer for Congress

Congressional candidate George Latimer has received an endorsement from the Stonewall Democrats.

In five weeks, Latimer will face off against incumbent Jamaal Bowman in the Democratic primary to represent Congressional District 16, which includes White Plains, Rye, Yonkers, and other cities in Westchester County, as well as a portion of the Bronx.

The president the Stonewall Democrats, Gabriel Lewenstein, had this to say of Latimer: “George Latimer has been a staunch ally of the LGBTQ community throughout his distinguished career. From his early support of marriage equality, to his work banning conversion therapy in Westchester, to his support of trans rights and protections, George has proven his unwavering commitment to the dignity, respect, and equality of LGBTQ people.”

Founded in 1986, the Stonewall Democrats have championed LGBTQIA+ rights in New York for more than three decades, and their endorsement speaks to the candidate’s commitment to LGBTQ rights.

In 2000, while serving as chair of the Westchester County Board, Latimer authorized the Human Rights Law to codify sexual orientation as a protected class alongside race, religion, gender, and other demographics. For the past twenty-four years, he has continued to fight for LGTBQ individuals, most recently in his support of trans athletes.

https://politicsny.com/2024/05/14/stonewall-democrats-endorse-george-latimer-for-congress-2/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218948157

[Cha]

33. Mondaire Jones Statement on effect of his endorsement of George Latimer

Link to tweet

[Cha]

35. Mondaire Jones condemns Bowman's Israel rhetoric, endorses George Latimer

By Marc Rod June 3, 2024

Former Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-NY), running to reclaim his former Hudson Valley seat in Congress, disavowed Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) on Monday over Bowman’s rhetoric about Israel since Oct. 7, and endorsed George Latimer, the Westchester County executive seeking to oust Bowman.

Jones told Jewish Insider the endorsement, first announced in The New York Times, was driven by Bowman’s rhetoric on Israel and the impact Jones said it has had on the Jewish community in Jones’ own district. Bowman’s and Jones’ districts border one another.

“This is about me standing up for the Jewish community,” Jones said. “I want to be very clear about that.”

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/06/mondaire-jones-condemns-bowmans-israel-rhetoric-endorses-george-latimer/

[orange jar]

36. More "evil Jewish boogeyman" conspiracies.

Come up with something new.

[Cha]

39. Rec TY!

[betsuni]

52. +1

[brooklynite]

41. Please explain how he is one of the "most effective"

[JohnSJ]

47. The person in the OP who tweeted that happens to be a disbarred lawyer for contempt

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/27/politics/donzinger-chevron-supreme-court/index.html

[mountain grammy]

43. May the best Democrat win! Like them both for different reasons.

If I lived in that district, I'd vote my choice in the primary and for the winner in November. Go Dems!!

[RandySF]

53. How has Bowman been effective?

[sheshe2]

66. Crickets

[Cha]

72. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. Want to see who is "EFFECTIVE"..

GEORGE LATIMER

grew up in Mount Vernon, attended Mount Vernon public schools and then earned his B.A. from Fordham University and a Master’s in Public Administration from New York University. Through his three decades of public service, George’s work has been defined by his deep commitment to local community needs, his ability to deliver real results for his constituents, and his willingness to stand up to right wing extremism from the NRA to MAGA Republicans.

From his time on the Rye City Council to the County Legislature to the State Legislature and his current position of Westchester County Executive, Latimer has emerged as a progressive champion who fights for the rights of all people while passing smart, effective policies that make a real difference in people’s lives.

https://latimerforny.com/bio

[sheshe2]

73. He sounds like a good who will work tirelessly for his constituents.

his deep commitment to local community needs, his ability to deliver real results for his constituents, and his willingness to stand up to right wing extremism from the NRA to MAGA Republicans.

Bravo to George Latimer.

TY Cha.

[Cha]

75. Yes, No Wonder HILLARY ENDORSED George Latimer!

He stands up To the NRA & Magas and Stands UP For Pres Biden..

Not like Bowman Against Pres Biden's Infrastructure Bill and a No Vote on Sanctions for Russia, , Iran, and China... And Cracking Down on Fentanyl Trafficking. Didn't Vote to Fund the Capitol Police, either.

Not sure how "effective" he is?

Welcome!

[FBaggins]

88. He helped show how truly tiny the pro-Hamas wing of the party is

When a resolution has the most cosponsors in history and passes 412-10...

... being one of the ten "effectively" tells a story.

Not a story that he deserves reelection... but still an effective one.

He also effectively brought people from both sides of the aisle together in an entirely fractured Congress. They joined forces to oppose his immoral position... but still. Can't say he wasn't effective.

[DinahMoeHum]

55. A liberal constituency and a leftist constituency

are NOT the same thing.

Methinks Bowman, the "Justice Democrats" and the "Democratic Socialists of America' are going to learn this the hard way.

[Cha]

63. Ohh TY!

[ecstatic]

77. It's really sad and depressing to read threads like this

Unless a miracle happens, we are way too divided right now and we will lose in 2024.

Congratulations everyone.

[Sky Jewels]

78. Disgusting!