IMO JD Vance is dangerous to everyone - including TFG

[Raven123]

I remember reading Hillbilly Elegy, and have since scanned some of the interviews he gave after it’s publication. I remember his criticism of TFG way back when too. Funny, those clips are harder to find.

Why he ran for Senate has been a mystery to me, but I think it is becoming clearer. Vance is by his nature a mini-TFG. He will use anyone for his personal profit. Hillbilly Elegy was controversial. Pretty much bashed his family and everyone with addiction problems. Mind you his short-lived not for profit employed a “specialist “ with ties to Purdue Pharma, and had little to show for it’s efforts.

He is telegenic, a quick talker and comes off as well-informed. You have to be well-prepared to argue with him. He is a veteran, served in Public Affairs, graduated Yale Law school, worked with republican politicians, worked with Peter Thiel as a venture capitalist. He is smart and dangerous.

I believe he is using TFG and I don’t think TFG knows it. Vance is running for president, and unlike Mike, he has the brains to work around TFG to run the show. I think he is likely the VP nominee, will carry the cognitive load, since TFG is unable, and unfortunately may juice up the GOP in Ohio. Sherrod Brown has a great record, and leads in the polls so far, but this might be an X factor.

Let’s hope the opposition research is on it.

[Attilatheblond]

1. Your points are spot on

As Trump continues to fall apart, beware the dark horse a desperate GOP could well end up running.

[mahina]

45. I completely agree, but I don't see how TFG pucks Vance

Because Vance said something truthful about him early on, and it was not flattering. I don’t think TFG can look past that.

[Walleye]

2. I am betting he picks Vance. The only one at deplorable as he is

[peppertree]

34. Dump/Dunce

The bumper stickers against Cheeto and Shady Dunce practically write themselves.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Scary. I cannot argue with any of your points.

[intrepidity]

4. Timothy Snyder agrees with you

https://snyder.substack.com/p/trump-seeks-vice

[oldsoftie]

5. Haley & Vance are the 2 I hope Trump DOESNT pick.

I really hope he picks according to his ego not wanting to be upstaged. Either of those 2 are going to get more attention than he would want

[TNNurse]

6. I will always be grateful to those two women who told me

to not read his book. They were both retired literature professors. They are both southerners. They knew it was bad.
Now, I know why, he is awful.

[surfered]

7. I think all VP candidates are using him.

I think they’ve made the calculation that he’ll likely suffer some sort of mental or physical breakdown while in office and they will become president.

[Raven123]

10. I think Vance will run the show even if he is VP

He is that slick. Dick Cheneyish slick

[surfered]

13. Yes, but it will be from behind the curtain. Trump's ego won't allow him to be upstaged.

[Raven123]

15. Absolutely.

But unlike the other sycophants, Vance will exert real power. TFG may be the face, but I think his cognitive decline opens a door that Vance will walk through and TFG might not even recognize it. TFG will read his pile of news clippings while Vance powers through the policy initiatives. Do I think Vance wants the POTUS label? Yes. But he is smart enough to know when to make his move.

[Lonestarblue]

17. Kevin Roberts of the diabolical Heritage Foundation recommended Vance to Trump.

With Vance as VP and their plan to have Trump fire 50,000 federal career workers at the highest levels and fill federal agencies with Trump sycophants, the leaders of the Heritage Foundation will gave unprecedented power. They are far mire dangerous than Trump because they have the brains, the money, and the government know-how to literally decimate the federal government.

[Raven123]

19. Didn't know that. All adds up though.

[lastlib]

33. Heritage needs to be burned to the ground.

They ARE dangerous on an order of magnitude greater than any other RW org besides the Federalist Society. And if they work in concert (which they in all probability are), we could be in for some dark times in a GOPee/fascist regime.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

47. Thank Joseph Coors (of Coors beer) for the Heritage Foundation.

[lastlib]

48. Yes--one reason I would NEVER drink that turtle-piss.

eom

[Hekate]

8. KnR

[Initech]

9. He doesn't work for the American people. He works for Vladimir Putin by way of Fox News.

[prodigitalson]

11. totally agree

he's a psychopath like tfg

[BonnieJW]

12. I think

TSF henchman will come streaming in , quickly putting Project 2025 in place. They will park tsf on golf courses and begin running the country the way they choose. They'll bring in donny when they need him to sign things but they'll keep him out of the office. When his dementia takes over, they'll use the 25th ammendment to put him in a nice quiet facility and the vp will take over

[Raven123]

16. And Vance will be there.

[malaise]

14. He has one serious problem

His eyes blink real fast when he lies😀😂😀

[Raven123]

18. It's only a problem if the opposition recognizes it and pounces.

This guy is slick.

[BoRaGard]

27. Do tell.

Repubes have their shitty shifty tells.

But MAGAts are asleep, and will remain clueless.

They've been suckered into avoiding WAKEFULNESS - you know, woke. It's actually a good thing to go through life awake, and a stupid thing to go through life asleep like the repubes are demanding.

[malaise]

28. Enjoy this blinking ahole

[BoRaGard]

39. Blinky Boy (R) or Mascara Man (R) ?

This will require further contemplation.

Blink or no blink, he has dead, cold eyes.

[malaise]

40. L9l

For mascara man - evil

[Qutzupalotl]

44. (bats eyelashes)

[Wild blueberry]

20. Have you noticed that JayDee wears a lot of eye makeup?

Liner and mascara. Weird.

Two quotes from Timothy Snyder's excellent piece:

"Vance likes to get in front of microphones, puff out his chest, and present impotence as masculinity. There is guile in this performance: the manly pose substitutes for manly action. A tough guy à la Vance returns to the safe space of provoking cultural anxiety by choosing enemies within his own country."

"He clearly knows what he is doing: just before each outburst, you can detect a quick moment of calculating pleasure around his eyes. As he gathers himself, he looks, just for a split second, like someone who is about to tell a joke that he very much enjoys."

All in all, YUCK.

[Raven123]

22. He is an excellent debater.

Anticipates questions and is prepared. His tone can make the most absurd assertion seem logical. It’s what struck me about the interviews regarding his book. There are many still accessible. If you don’t stop to think he is shoveling bull you miss a chance to challenge him. People get sucked in, much like George Santos. He’s just smarter.

[Polybius]

35. I doubt he wears makeup

Louis Rossmann, a famous YouTuber looks like he has two black eyes. He was born that way.



Some guys look like they are wearing guyliner, but it's built-in.

[ECL213]

21. I don't think Vance in milquetoast enough for TSF.

He's rattles off total bullshit and comes off as smart, smooth, competent, and he's on TV a lot. None of these are qualities il Douche wants in a running mate. He want's someone who will silently do his job for him while he "Makes America Great". He doesn't want someone who will actually take credit, or who might upstage him. I think he'll pick a toady. Someone he was thoroughly belittled in public who now bends over backward to kiss his ass.

[Raven123]

23. I do hope you are correct. This guy is a serious threat.

Maybe I should warn TFG about him - not!

[ECL213]

26. I agree, he skeeves me out.

He's exactly the kind of asshole I worry about when TSF is out of the picture.

[C OH Dem]

24. Just my opinion but

whenever I see JDV's spouse, I see a woman that is afraid of her husband. I don't believe he is a very honorable man.

[LisaM]

25. "Hillbilly Elegy" is a terrible book with a beautiful title.

On top of that, it is not about what it says it is.

I met a guy from Ohio the other day and he said the book he wants to read is "Hillbilly Eulogy". I was in a buffet line at a wedding and I burst out into hearty appreciative laughter.

[wolfie001]

29. Peter Thiel helped fund this lunatic clown's campaign

That's evidence enough that he's evil.

[Bluethroughu]

30. I think Paul Ryan and a JD Vance ticket is what the

Benefactors are going to give trump as a going away parting gift at the GOP convention.

They will be the full fascist ticket.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. I wonder if AI does opposition research these days. It sure can do a data dump. /nt

[paulkienitz]

32. that is a fairly chilling prospect

I'd been wondering how the GOP could negotiate a post-Trumpsky path, and maybe he's the answer to that conundrum we'd all hoped would not be solved.

[TSExile]

36. As a lifelong Ohioan...

...the nicest thing I can say about him is that I voted for his opponent. I still can't believe Tim Ryan lost to him. Still, I would not be surprised if he was named running mate..

[Skittles]

37. no way will Trump have a military veteran as VP

he'd be way too jealous

[Raven123]

43. Or he'd claim veterans love him because his running mate is a veteran

You may be correct. However, This isn’t the Trump of 2016. He is sooooo pi$$ed that he is not POTUS, that I wonder if he would just brush it aside. Winning back the presidency so important because of his legal problems and his cognitive abilities are declining. He might just slip up and make a decision that runs counter to his previous tendencies. Vance knows it too. Will take advantage. I think he can play TFG. Just my opinion

[dalton99a]

38. Kick

[Maeve]

41. I think the term is "vulture capitalist"--he thinks short term profit

He is interested in profit now, not the long-term health of the company/organization he wants to run. He will destroy and move on to a new target. We have too many of that sort of business critter in this country.

[617Blue]

42. Dump is looking for a cipher, not a threat to his power. nt

[TBF]

46. Sounds a lot like Desantis -

these guys are just waiting for Donald to pass the baton. They're both awful.

[58Sunliner]

49. Trump hates a turncoat. And when they get that close to each other, Trump's paranoia will not be appeased.

Everything Trump touches dies, but first gets thrown under the bus.

[Raven123]

51. Too late. Vance is on the ticket.

[applegrove]

50. Yes he is very smooth but he also trips up and gives things away

like when he tried to chastise the CBS journalists for fact checking one of his lies on Springfield immigrants being illegal. That will make a great ad. He lies. Then is surprised he got fact checked and said something like "I thought it was agreed you wouldn't be fact checking the debate".

I hope ads of all of Vance lying go out ASAP because Vance was smooth and his likeability went way up. But it was all false.

[Jrose]

52. Jaydee is a smooth-talking, experienced liar, who better translates Djt's jibberish