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a kennedy

(35,999 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 06:52 PM Jun 2024

Watching ABC news.......what the hell is going on with the weather???

Has it ever been this bad, wild fires, heat, floods, now may-be West Nile virus?? I am 73 and I swear I do not remember it being this bad. I’m just sick for all those who lose their homes, towns and everything with this weather. I just don’t remember it ever being this bad.

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Watching ABC news.......what the hell is going on with the weather??? (Original Post) a kennedy Jun 2024 OP
summer comes every year nt msongs Jun 2024 #1
This ain't normal. At all. Evolve Dammit Jun 2024 #28
I've seen that dismissive sentiment expressed elsewhere Orrex Jun 2024 #36
I reject your personal attack. merely stating a fact that is not disputed anywhere I know of. nt msongs Jun 2024 #39
It's not helpful Iwasthere Jun 2024 #57
It's not a personal attack. Merely stating a fact that you've echoed a sentiment that I've seen elsewhere. Orrex Jun 2024 #69
Not really surprising. Brenda Jun 2024 #75
It's bdamomma Jun 2024 #45
Nope, im 66, and i remember wx being downright boring most weeks.. getagrip_already Jun 2024 #52
We had to stop calling it 'global warming' WHY, again??? DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #54
Climate chaos RussBLib Jun 2024 #65
Well, In My Area RobinA Jun 2024 #104
Post removed Post removed Jun 2024 #71
As no one argued otherwise... wow. nt Torchlight Jun 2024 #89
OMG, buy a clue! Charging Triceratops Jun 2024 #94
Is Bill Nye the science guy said, the world is fucking on fire, people Walleye Jun 2024 #2
You suppose people will finally figure out that climate change is a thing? Ocelot II Jun 2024 #3
Yeah, all of the rains have been going northwards towards you guys. Send some our way (STLMO)...we're SWBTATTReg Jun 2024 #11
We now have actual proof evidence yet they still do not believe. Duncanpup Jun 2024 #19
Truly Orrex Jun 2024 #37
I think half of us will. There is little hope for the other half. Evolve Dammit Jun 2024 #35
BBbbut...climate change is a HOAX!!!1! Dulcinea Jun 2024 #85
In a very real sense, it has never been this bad. Otto_Harper Jun 2024 #4
Well, summer starts tomorrow. Kid Berwyn Jun 2024 #5
Actually, today. Very early Solstice. marybourg Jun 2024 #24
Thank you, yes! Kid Berwyn Jun 2024 #30
Just have to get used to our exciting new climate 0rganism Jun 2024 #6
And the oceans stil have 280 more feet to rise! GreenWave Jun 2024 #7
Pretty soon, all remaining humans will have convenient beach access 0rganism Jun 2024 #8
For sure, many folks will enjoy having unexpected beach front properties! GreenWave Jun 2024 #12
Happy Progress Day! 0rganism Jun 2024 #18
Happy hoax day. hadEnuf Jun 2024 #43
Our kids are never going to forgive us. rubbersole Jun 2024 #9
As long as we can buy cheap gas and trinkets, to hell with the survival of human race. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #15
Someone had to go first, but yeah we really let our descendants down 0rganism Jun 2024 #17
The earth is 4.5 billion years old. How many times have humans done this to themselves? Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #20
And humans are dependent on other life on the planet. PufPuf23 Jun 2024 #105
While human focus on building war weapons. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #107
How very sad but true. nt PufPuf23 Jun 2024 #108
The problem is that we keep referring to it as a "problem" . . . . hatrack Jun 2024 #60
The April 14, 1935, "Black Sunday" dust storm begs to differ. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2024 #10
But that wasn't world wide Kaleva Jun 2024 #33
I was reading about the record heat in Saudi Arabia, hundreds have died of the heat. Archae Jun 2024 #50
Some kind of religious festival? dickthegrouch Jun 2024 #64
I confess to being somewhat ignorant of Muslim celebrations... Archae Jun 2024 #70
It's been rainy, mild weather here in the UP Kaleva Jun 2024 #72
Been raining here too. Archae Jun 2024 #87
Baghdad has 200 dust storms a year now Ponietz Jun 2024 #92
Have you been hearing about climate change? Well, this is the beginning of it. marybourg Jun 2024 #13
Most people hate cold weather as they age. I am the opposite. I hate, hate, hate ultra-hot weather... hlthe2b Jun 2024 #14
I am same prefer winter Tree Lady Jun 2024 #25
I loathe 90 degree days Diamond_Dog Jun 2024 #51
In Central Maine, winters are getting easier to deal with. We ha 3 or 4 snow events then the weather moves into Spring. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2024 #55
Weather Channel reported today that the MOMFUDSKI Jun 2024 #16
I had some goldenrod bloom Conjuay Jun 2024 #22
Is that satire, sarcasm, or a weak attempt to pretend we didn't know what we are causing? Think. Again. Jun 2024 #21
No kidding. Brenda Jun 2024 #76
The proverbial chickens are coming home to roost HAB911 Jun 2024 #23
We are happy that we never had kids. JanMichael Jun 2024 #26
How about nieces and nephews ? Kaleva Jun 2024 #34
I didn't think that I made my nephews? Gross. JanMichael Jun 2024 #63
Do you care about them? Kaleva Jun 2024 #73
I cannot possibly agree more birdographer Jun 2024 #41
Life isn't a living hell Calculating Jun 2024 #99
Bahshahaha BannonsLiver Jun 2024 #103
My brother, my friends NJCher Jun 2024 #61
JanMichael? -misanthroptimist Jun 2024 #78
Yes! I miss WoW. JanMichael Jun 2024 #82
Yeah, it's been dead for a long time. -misanthroptimist Jun 2024 #90
I remember both Doohickey and your username. JanMichael Jun 2024 #91
I miss those guys, even Nimbo -misanthroptimist Jun 2024 #96
Both poles are melting.............................. Lovie777 Jun 2024 #27
Turns out the deep ocean has stored a LOT more heat than previously thought. mn9driver Jun 2024 #29
If the population was the same as 1970 LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #31
It's not just the US population OrangeJoe Jun 2024 #47
The population has added 4 BILLION since 1970. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #81
There are more heat records than cold temperature records, and it's not even close, sometimes by a factor of 10 to 1 tornado34jh Jun 2024 #32
The Onion - Report: Every Place On Earth Has Wrong Amount Of Water Quixote1818 Jun 2024 #38
It won't get any better. The powers that be are wealthy, older and selfish. chouchou Jun 2024 #40
10 years ago we lost conductor Paul Salamunovic to West Nile Virus. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2024 #42
As my science teacher taught in his opinion........... Lovie777 Jun 2024 #44
That's what happens when you shit your nest. paleotn Jun 2024 #46
Up here in Nunavik, North West Territories Canada OrangeJoe Jun 2024 #48
Up here in Nunavik, North West Territories Canada OrangeJoe Jun 2024 #49
Enjoy... Richard D Jun 2024 #53
Climate cliff... FirstLight Jun 2024 #56
Welcome to climate change. Hotter is hotter, and longer. Usually less cold, but sometimes colder because more energy Martin68 Jun 2024 #58
Right. Brenda Jun 2024 #77
We get quite a few random rightwing talking points here. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #83
I'm glad to see the pushback, too. Brenda Jun 2024 #86
Personally I think it's to late to fix anything, the ship has sailed. OverBurn Jun 2024 #59
Unfortunately, you're probably right. rubbersole Jun 2024 #62
Notice they don't talk about it anymore Tree Lady Jun 2024 #74
It's already too late, and too little has been done Calculating Jun 2024 #101
It sure has. -misanthroptimist Jun 2024 #100
Its has been over 90 for seveal days here in Ohio. I remember back around 1987 it doc03 Jun 2024 #66
West Nile has been in the US since 1999 LeftInTX Jun 2024 #67
for the second time in my imminent memory, The Wandering Harper Jun 2024 #68
Remember Al Gore? Jrsygrl96 Jun 2024 #79
Al Gore was right and should have been President. JanMichael Jun 2024 #84
But...but...Ralph Nader called Gore a "faux environmentalist." thucythucy Jun 2024 #88
It only gets worse from here. -misanthroptimist Jun 2024 #80
I'm pretty sure climate change will be how our population loses 4-5 billion Calculating Jun 2024 #102
They're evacuating Churchill Falls, Newfoundland because of fires right now. Swede Jun 2024 #93
What would it take to stop the acceleration? Ponietz Jun 2024 #95
Easy explanation: Initech Jun 2024 #97
and onethatcares Jun 2024 #98
Climate change, yes... But magnified by 24x7 infotainment JCMach1 Jun 2024 #106
NBC loves the word "deadly." For one ABC "deadly" NBC has four or five. betsuni Jun 2024 #109

Orrex

(67,116 posts)
36. I've seen that dismissive sentiment expressed elsewhere
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:28 PM
Jun 2024

Almost exclusively on sights that believe in a flat earth, lizard people, and stolen elections.


Kind of surprising to find it here.

msongs

(73,758 posts)
39. I reject your personal attack. merely stating a fact that is not disputed anywhere I know of. nt
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jun 2024

Iwasthere

(3,512 posts)
57. It's not helpful
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jun 2024

Summer does come every year, however virtually every year it has become hotter, with many strange things happening globally. We've reach a critical stage. We are in trouble and burying your head doesn't help. Elect environment leaders. VOTE BLUE!

Orrex

(67,116 posts)
69. It's not a personal attack. Merely stating a fact that you've echoed a sentiment that I've seen elsewhere.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 12:21 AM
Jun 2024

Summer comes every year? What a keen insight! And if it were a flat statement devoid of subtext, then it wouldn't be a big deal. Nor, I suspect, would you have posted it.

The clear implication, whether or not you admit that it was intentional, is that the current, record-shattering heatwaves and weather events worldwide are simply par for the course. Only two types of people make such statements:

1. Climate change deniers
2. Well, actually there's just that one type.

I suppose that you could have meant something like "summer comes every year, and it's only going to get worse," but it really didn't come across that way.

Brenda

(2,054 posts)
75. Not really surprising.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:09 AM
Jun 2024

I've posted for years here about the existential threat all life on Earth faces now and tried to explain why young activists protest in such extreme ways. I've posted links to science articles, climate action websites and books about how bad things are yet:

I've been called a troll and people have tried to get me banned for doing that.

Huge amount of ignorance and obfuscation on this platform.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
52. Nope, im 66, and i remember wx being downright boring most weeks..
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:38 PM
Jun 2024

Sure, there dramatic events of all kinds. But they weren't nightly events, they weren't even weekly.

And they weren't cat 5 hurricanes and level 5 tornadoes.

We didn't get 100 year floods every year.

We didn't have tens of thousands of acres burning in multiple states every year. We didn't have epic droughts, epic floods, epic dust storms, sea level rise, ice field retreats, extinctions, etc.

No, this isn't summer arriving.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
54. We had to stop calling it 'global warming' WHY, again???
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:45 PM
Jun 2024

Because reich-wing radio went on tirades about how cold it still got in the winter??

(On the other hand, we didn't have much of an excuse of a winter in lower Michigan this past year---
only one week that made a pretense of a 'good snow', and then I may as well have put the shovel away.
Snow-removal companies had a very, very, VERY bad season...)

RussBLib

(10,637 posts)
65. Climate chaos
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 11:16 PM
Jun 2024

....seems to be more accurate than "global warming" or "climate.chamge."

It's getting hotter everywhere, for sure. And drier. And wetter.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
104. Well, In My Area
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 03:39 PM
Jun 2024

local news is determined to turn every weather nonevent into the apocalypse. It's really gotten ridiculous. "The last time the temperature reached this level was in 1947!" And it's worse in the winter because where I live it doesn't snow a lot and when it does people panic So on the weather, every possible snowflake can turn your road into a skating rink. This winter they were describing 30 degrees as frigid. I call it weather porn.

Response to msongs (Reply #1)

 
94. OMG, buy a clue!
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 10:47 AM
Jun 2024

It's been 96 degrees F in Pittsburgh for four straight days in JUNE!!
Never happened before.
Well, maybe in the Eocene or Triassic.

Ocelot II

(130,560 posts)
3. You suppose people will finally figure out that climate change is a thing?
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 06:57 PM
Jun 2024

Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods it won't stop raining.

SWBTATTReg

(26,260 posts)
11. Yeah, all of the rains have been going northwards towards you guys. Send some our way (STLMO)...we're
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:14 PM
Jun 2024

short on rain, could use some.

Orrex

(67,116 posts)
37. Truly
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:29 PM
Jun 2024

Confronted with the proof, the fuckheads say "back in my day we had summers like this all the time." Or you get even bigger fuckheads who say "you wouldn't last a second down here in Florida."

Otto_Harper

(822 posts)
4. In a very real sense, it has never been this bad.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 06:59 PM
Jun 2024

When one looks at many of those climatic metrics we monitor, things are now outside of anything anyone has ever seen. And, continuing to go in the wrong direction.

Here is a link to a graph which shows what is happening to sea surface temperature, which is a good indicator of what is happening:


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Kid Berwyn

(24,429 posts)
30. Thank you, yes!
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:16 PM
Jun 2024

As of 4:50 p.m. ET...we are officially in summer. It is early.

Interesting celestial mechanics behind it. And it shouldn't be this early for another 228 years.

https://www.livescience.com/space/the-sun/the-2024-summer-solstice-will-be-the-earliest-for-228-years-heres-why#:~:text=To%20account%20for%20this%20drift,than%20the%20previous%20leap%20year.

Based on the experience of a guy well into his seventh decade, it will feel like summer earlier and earlier if we as a planet don't do anything about it.

0rganism

(25,648 posts)
6. Just have to get used to our exciting new climate
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jun 2024

Since as a species we pretty much opted out of doing what it would take to keep the old one, we get to try something new. Let's see how this works out for us instead, right?

0rganism

(25,648 posts)
8. Pretty soon, all remaining humans will have convenient beach access
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jun 2024

Progress! Right? Right? Everyone agrees this is fine, right? Happy Progress Day!

GreenWave

(12,643 posts)
12. For sure, many folks will enjoy having unexpected beach front properties!
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:15 PM
Jun 2024

and then cry as the beach front moves more inland.

hadEnuf

(3,618 posts)
43. Happy hoax day.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jun 2024

I'm sure all the deniers are enjoying pretending it not really 107 degrees.

rubbersole

(11,225 posts)
9. Our kids are never going to forgive us.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:10 PM
Jun 2024

We knew. But damn if we were going to be inconvenienced. "The only species that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective."

Irish_Dem

(81,326 posts)
15. As long as we can buy cheap gas and trinkets, to hell with the survival of human race.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:21 PM
Jun 2024

Yep, unbelievable.

0rganism

(25,648 posts)
17. Someone had to go first, but yeah we really let our descendants down
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:24 PM
Jun 2024

It was always inevitable that a species of gifted, curious technologists would mess things up globally in unexpected ways. The evolutionarily-positive approach would be to find ways to coordinate a global-scale fix for whatever we broke. This in turn would help to propel us into a new era of geo-engineering which would make extra-terrestrial colonization possible, catapulting our species to its next growth phase.

However, we've run up against a problem we can't solve technologically: we don't care enough about each other or future generations to enable survival of the biosphere. For the whole thing to work out we needed a greater degree of empathy. Maybe, if life survives, the next technology-capable species will learn from our mistakes and adapt itself to give two shits about its overall well-being. Maybe our offspring can do it too, but they'll be starting from a disadvantage.

Irish_Dem

(81,326 posts)
20. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. How many times have humans done this to themselves?
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:32 PM
Jun 2024

The planet will be fine as usual.

Maybe humans are not hard wired to survive past post industrial and nuclear age.

We just want to kill, control, punish each other for power and wealth.

Individuals only care about their own survival, not the human race.

The two most valuable assets we have are this planet and the people on it.
And most people couldn't care less about either one.

PufPuf23

(9,863 posts)
105. And humans are dependent on other life on the planet.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 03:54 PM
Jun 2024

Earth is going through a major extinction event, most we cannot see and is not that obvious. Think soil.

Most "solutions" to environmental problems dig a bigger hole for humanity.

Irish_Dem

(81,326 posts)
107. While human focus on building war weapons.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 05:50 PM
Jun 2024

Hell bent on killing each other for power and money.

hatrack

(64,907 posts)
60. The problem is that we keep referring to it as a "problem" . . . .
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 10:00 PM
Jun 2024

If you say "problem", what's the instantaneous problem word-association response? "Solution", and we departed that realm long ago. What we have is a dilemma, not a problem. Human beings can produce solutions when confronted by problems. By contrast, dilemmas tend to produce only consequences. In this case, most of them will be bad, and some of them will be flat-out horrible.

The dilemma is that human society as currently constituted (for all 8 billion of us) depends on two physical impossibilities - one is endless growth as demanded by economic, political and religious ideologies, and the other is the carbon-intensive physical processes that make endless growth possible for now - or at least a short-term illusion of endless growth.

The best science we have appears to indicate that the Permian extinction, which took out 75% of land lifeforms and 90% of marine species, took place over a period of 300,000 - 500,000 years. It was driven largely by CO2 from enormous volcanic eruptions. We're now on track to add a roughly comparable amount of CO2 to our planet's atmosphere, but we'll do it in somewhere around 300 to 350 years.

So yes, conserve, teach, plant, grow, simplify, preserve, respect the natural world - because inculcating those kinds of skills and values may help provide a way forward for some. But that last 10% of a pound of carbon emitted today will not be removed from the atmosphere by natural processes for roughly 10,000 - 20,000 years, and atmospheric CO2 is the highest it's been in over a million years - and we know that from direct physical measurement of ice cores.

As Samuel L. Jackson said in Jurassic Park, "Hold onto your butts."

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
50. I was reading about the record heat in Saudi Arabia, hundreds have died of the heat.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:27 PM
Jun 2024

Some kind of religious festival, but 300-400 people have died from the 125 degrees and up temperatures.

Here in Sheboygan, it's in the 60's, will get to the low 70's and then the 60's again next week.

dickthegrouch

(4,532 posts)
64. Some kind of religious festival?
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 11:09 PM
Jun 2024

It’s “only” the Hajj, the biggest Muslim festival on earth. It is the duty of all Muslims to go to Mecca at least once in their lives during the Hajj.

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
70. I confess to being somewhat ignorant of Muslim celebrations...
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 12:41 AM
Jun 2024

The point I was making is so many people dying in the record heat.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
72. It's been rainy, mild weather here in the UP
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 01:29 AM
Jun 2024

It hit 90 one day but the rest have been mild, temperature wise. We had one heck of a thunderstorm a couple of days ago that blew down trees and washed out roads .

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
87. Been raining here too.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 08:31 AM
Jun 2024

In Sheboygan, we're supposed to have rain today, a thunderstorm tomorrow.

hlthe2b

(113,989 posts)
14. Most people hate cold weather as they age. I am the opposite. I hate, hate, hate ultra-hot weather...
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:17 PM
Jun 2024

My sanity comes from spending time outside and to do that, I just can't live in A/C all day. So, I don't. But damn if it isn't hard to sleep with just fans and sometimes a portable evaporative cooler.

Thankfully, Colorado still has generally cool mornings (pre-dawn) so my pup and I can get some good walking/hiking time.

Give me my ice and snow back. Come, on, GOT. Tell me that "winter is coming."

Tree Lady

(13,284 posts)
25. I am same prefer winter
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:03 PM
Jun 2024

of course I sit in my living room by the wood stove but much easier to put on clothes than take them off!

I can't take heat anymore, just got home from going to winery with a friend. She wanted to sit in the shade outside, its in the 90's. I talked her into inside in the air conditioning by huge window looking out over the mountains.

Diamond_Dog

(40,597 posts)
51. I loathe 90 degree days
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jun 2024

Why do so many older people flock to Florida? The older I get the more miserable I am from hot summer weather.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,164 posts)
55. In Central Maine, winters are getting easier to deal with. We ha 3 or 4 snow events then the weather moves into Spring.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:48 PM
Jun 2024

Growing up Nov/Dec/Jan where heavy snow months. Now snow starts Feb/March.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
16. Weather Channel reported today that the
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:23 PM
Jun 2024

water temperature now off the east coast of Florida is what it used to be in August.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
21. Is that satire, sarcasm, or a weak attempt to pretend we didn't know what we are causing?
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:37 PM
Jun 2024

We've known the weather would be drastically affected by CO2 emission-caused climate change since the 1800's.

This 19th century woman was one of the first scientists to understand climate change
Jul 29, 2021


Source: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/scientists-physics-climate-change-eunice-foote/

Long before the current political divide over climate change, and even before the U.S. Civil War (1861-
1865), an American scientist named Eunice Foote documented the underlying cause of today’s climate change crisis.

The year was 1856. Foote’s brief scientific paper was the first to describe the extraordinary power of carbon dioxide gas to absorb heat – the driving force of global warming.

-snip-

Foote conducted a simple experiment. She put a thermometer in each of two glass cylinders, pumped carbon dioxide gas into one and air into the other and set the cylinders in the Sun. The cylinder containing carbon dioxide got much hotter than the one with air, and Foote realized that carbon dioxide would strongly absorb heat in the atmosphere.

-snip-

A few years later, in 1861, the well-known Irish scientist John Tyndall also measured the heat absorption of carbon dioxide and was so surprised that something “so transparent to light” could so strongly absorb heat that he “made several hundred experiments with this single substance.”

Tyndall also recognized the possible effects on the climate, saying “every variation” of water vapor or carbon dioxide “must produce a change of climate.” He also noted the contribution other hydrocarbon gases, such as methane, could make to climate change, writing that “an almost inappreciable addition” of gases like methane would have “great effects on climate.”

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
26. We are happy that we never had kids.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:03 PM
Jun 2024

Not that I was so smart that I knew that they'd be living in a Mad Max world but at least we got lucky.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
41. I cannot possibly agree more
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:41 PM
Jun 2024

And, no nieces or nephews. No family. It would break my heart to have loved ones under 20, under 30, even under 40. Who knows about 50? And I am totally bamboozled by young people who HAVE KIDS NOW. They bring kids into this. They will love them and then see them...well, anyway, bringing a child into this environment is the definition of narcissism. It's a cruel desire to reproduce yourself, no matter if their life is a living hell.

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
99. Life isn't a living hell
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jun 2024

Overdramatic much? Without kids, there's no point to life. Everything is just for one's own pleasure and then when they die they'll leave no legacy and not carry on their family line. It basically represents a Darwin award or evolutionary failure to not reproduce. Life has been way worse in the past and people still managed to keep on keeping on.

BannonsLiver

(20,603 posts)
103. Bahshahaha
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 03:02 PM
Jun 2024

Easily one of the most absurd, dumb comments I’ve ever seen in this forum. Maybe for YOU life would have no meaning without spawn but that doesn’t go for everyone. This is a sort of toxic FOMO trope people with kids attempt to push on those who don’t and it’s so silly.

NJCher

(43,176 posts)
61. My brother, my friends
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 10:07 PM
Jun 2024

and I say that several times a day.
I never did want children. I have so many interests that I knew taking care of a kid would limit the time spent on my interests, but a second factor was the environment. I thought of the stress even a single person puts on the environment, considering the way we live in the U.S.

Taking both factors into consideration, it was an easy decision.

-misanthroptimist

(1,616 posts)
78. JanMichael?
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:24 AM
Jun 2024

Is this the JanMichael from Wasteland of Wonders? If so, it is you who introduced me to this site back in 2002 or 3.

Anyway, on topic: We did have kids. I'm old now and trying as best I can to prepare them a safe-ish place to survive. Things are going to get very, very dicey from here on out. It is a near certainty that civilization as we know it is coming to an end.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
82. Yes! I miss WoW.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:59 AM
Jun 2024

That was a fun site with fairly well articulated positions.

Tried looking it up a while back but it is dead now.

-misanthroptimist

(1,616 posts)
90. Yeah, it's been dead for a long time.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 09:28 AM
Jun 2024

I ran into OmniRevDoohickeyJones a year or two ago, over on reddit. I guess we're still around.

Oh, btw, I was known as birthmark back in those days. It was a simpler time. I remember when evidence actually counted for something.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
91. I remember both Doohickey and your username.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 09:57 AM
Jun 2024

You are right though it was a much simpler time and it was only 20 years ago.

Evidence or lack thereof did mostly matter...now it doesn't seem to hold much weight.

-misanthroptimist

(1,616 posts)
96. I miss those guys, even Nimbo
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 10:52 AM
Jun 2024

It was Hume that got me to look into AGW after I said something stupid. I spent the next two years reading actual science papers, using Google Scholar (which still exists, thankfully). It was a lot to learn.

Lovie777

(23,002 posts)
27. Both poles are melting..............................
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:07 PM
Jun 2024

because of climate change while mankind is fucking up the earth.

mn9driver

(4,848 posts)
29. Turns out the deep ocean has stored a LOT more heat than previously thought.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:16 PM
Jun 2024

Things are going to accelerate. That 1.5 degree Celsius target? Forget about it, it’s already gone.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
31. If the population was the same as 1970
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:17 PM
Jun 2024

130 million fewer than now.

Fewer people would be impacted.

OrangeJoe

(559 posts)
47. It's not just the US population
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:15 PM
Jun 2024

A much better number on population growth is the world population which was 3.6 Billion in 1970. It has since ballooned to over 8 Billion.

tornado34jh

(1,527 posts)
32. There are more heat records than cold temperature records, and it's not even close, sometimes by a factor of 10 to 1
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:21 PM
Jun 2024

Several people have been killed in heat in Greece, much of the Middle East is surpassing 120 F temperatures (not counting heat index), China, India, even parts of the far southern parts of South America has seen temperatures above normal.

Quixote1818

(31,156 posts)
38. The Onion - Report: Every Place On Earth Has Wrong Amount Of Water
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:31 PM
Jun 2024


Report: Every Place On Earth Has Wrong Amount Of Water

RESTON, VA—A new global report released Monday by the U.S. Geological Survey revealed that every place on earth currently has the wrong amount of water. “New satellite data confirms that every corner of the earth has the incorrect quantity of water,” the report read in part, noting that even though the total amount of water on the planet seemed to be about right, give or take a few hundred milliliters, the distribution of that water across the globe was “way off.” “In every case, there is either too much or too little water, with zero exceptions. Even when we try to move it around ourselves to make it even, someone keeps moving it back. It’s very frustrating.” The USGS did, however, note that the amount of fire on earth had been properly disbursed.

https://www.theonion.com/report-every-place-on-earth-has-wrong-amount-of-water-1851544516?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2IoQZNYXX0y9zQZ95-gV9XkzycpwF5mtzP-dSh0nKInoDZUIOmggM3cns_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

chouchou

(3,147 posts)
40. It won't get any better. The powers that be are wealthy, older and selfish.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:39 PM
Jun 2024

Ok. Most of them. Their thoughts are "Why should I care...I'll be long time dead. Think of Rush, Jones, Fox news.
They-don't-care.
The anti-climate crowd is powered by the industrial rich. We might be screwed. I hope not.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
42. 10 years ago we lost conductor Paul Salamunovic to West Nile Virus.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jun 2024

Was gardening In his Los Angeles area home when he was bit. He was 86. I suspect like Covid it's more lethal in the elderly

Lovie777

(23,002 posts)
44. As my science teacher taught in his opinion...........
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 08:52 PM
Jun 2024

1. The number will keep humans contained........
2. Technology will keep humans confused..............
3. Water will be worth more than riches...............

paleotn

(22,224 posts)
46. That's what happens when you shit your nest.
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:06 PM
Jun 2024

Life on earth has always been dicey with change inevitable, but usually over extreme stretches of time by human scale. Think hundreds to thousands of human generations. Now we've sped up those processes drastically. It's like we've grabbed the planet's controls and are pushing buttons and turning dials willy nilly. All for short term profit. What could possibly go wrong?

OrangeJoe

(559 posts)
48. Up here in Nunavik, North West Territories Canada
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:22 PM
Jun 2024

I’m sitting outside at 7 pm in Nunavut where it’s a balmy 75 degrees. Now that in itself is not really that unusual for a summer time temp up here. What is unprecedented is the low level of the MacKenzie River. The drought in Alberta means that many areas of the river where the indigenous people have harvested fish and game for 10,000 years are failing to produce. Congratulations world on fucking up a huge ecosystem!

OrangeJoe

(559 posts)
49. Up here in Nunavik, North West Territories Canada
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:23 PM
Jun 2024

I’m sitting outside at 7 pm in Nunavut where it’s a balmy 75 degrees. Now that in itself is not really that unusual for a summer time temp up here. What is unprecedented is the low level of the MacKenzie River. The drought in Alberta means that many areas of the river where the indigenous people have harvested fish and game for 10,000 years are failing to produce. Congratulations world on fucking up a huge ecosystem!

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
56. Climate cliff...
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jun 2024

This is what the model said would happen isn't it? Everything would be fine, get a little worse,
and then all of a sudden off a cliff..

The models were all supposed to be by 2050 or 2100...
I personally thought things were happening faster a few times over the years. There would be a big event or story about things "surprising scientists" and that would send up a little red flag in my mind.

Feels like the tide turned right before the pandemic ironically. Maybe 2018 or 19...but by 2022 we were heading over the edge IMO

Martin68

(27,751 posts)
58. Welcome to climate change. Hotter is hotter, and longer. Usually less cold, but sometimes colder because more energy
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 09:53 PM
Jun 2024

in the system means greater extremes. More rain, less rain. Everything is in flux and very unpredictable. What is predictable is that the average temperature will go up, sea levels will rise, and many weather events will be more extreme. More flooding, more wildfires, more landslides, more droughts, more tornadoes, more hurricanes - and many will set records.

Brenda

(2,054 posts)
77. Right.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:18 AM
Jun 2024

Last edited Fri Jun 21, 2024, 08:03 AM - Edit history (1)

But isn't it strange that people on a liberal board would go to such lengths to say things like "it's summer," "it's always been hot in Phoenix," "but millions of Americans live on the coast" - meaning what? Nothing is going to happen? They're going to move voluntarily or move involuntarily or well, die there.

I saw a weather report say people in Galveston didn't want to evacuate the other day from approaching Alberto (tropical storm, not hurricane) because they laughed that they could get a foot or two of storm surge.

Amazingly enough, someone in Texas made that evacuation order and they got four feet of storm surge, area looked like it was in the middle of the ocean. All those cars that would have been ruined.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
83. We get quite a few random rightwing talking points here.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 08:01 AM
Jun 2024

....but I'm happy to see so much firm pushback!

Brenda

(2,054 posts)
86. I'm glad to see the pushback, too.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 08:05 AM
Jun 2024

But I don't believe it's random, seems a bit more organized to me.

Always good to see you TA!

Tree Lady

(13,284 posts)
74. Notice they don't talk about it anymore
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 01:47 AM
Jun 2024

probably don't want to scare the kids. We tried, hard to believe all of the people stopping us from fixing the problem don't care about their families.

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
101. It's already too late, and too little has been done
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 02:38 PM
Jun 2024

We'll just need to adapt to our new climate as well as we can.

-misanthroptimist

(1,616 posts)
100. It sure has.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jun 2024

Even if we magically stopped all CO2 emissions tomorrow, we'd still see the temperature continue to rise for another 20 years or so. We aren't going to stop. We will smash through the 1.5C goal and almost certainly plow through 2C before 2100. We will be the most hated civilization of all time...if there's anyone left to hate us in a thousand years.

doc03

(39,087 posts)
66. Its has been over 90 for seveal days here in Ohio. I remember back around 1987 it
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 11:37 PM
Jun 2024

was over 100 for a few days. I was working in a steel mill at the time, that is HOT. It is summer.

LeftInTX

(34,315 posts)
67. West Nile has been in the US since 1999
Thu Jun 20, 2024, 11:39 PM
Jun 2024
US Case of West Nile Virus


During the years between 1999 and 2010, an estimate of 3 million people have been infected in the United States. Highest incidence rates are observed in states of the central great plains, with South Dakota, Wyoming and North Dakota leading in incidence.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_virus_in_the_United_States





West Nile is sneaky because only 20% incidents are symptomatic. However, of those cases most are not even diagnosed. Only 1% develop encephalitis or meningitis. Horses are apparently vaccinated, but there isn't a vaccine for humans. Birds are a reservoir for the virus, which likely explains how it has spread all over the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nile_fever
68. for the second time in my imminent memory,
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 12:20 AM
Jun 2024

I had the opportunity to wonder how dry my overalls got before it rained.
Everything looks sunny and clear
then as if summoned by magic
the darkest raging thunderstorm is right on top of you.

Jrsygrl96

(270 posts)
79. Remember Al Gore?
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:26 AM
Jun 2024

I almost fell off my chair when my right wing handyman said, “Maybe Al Gore was right!”
He warned us way back in the ‘90’s!

I live in the “swamps of Jersey.” Bruce Springsteen line. From 1959 - 1984 we had one flood in my town. From 2009 until now, we get flooded on a regular basis. We had TS Irene then Superstorm Sandy in 2 consecutive years. Irene caused devastating damage to half of my town.

In the winter of 1995-1996 the northeast was blanketed in feet is snow. My skiing dream. Last year we got one significant snowstorm.

Right now it is hotter here than in south Florida. This isn’t summer on earth - it’s hell on earth!

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
84. Al Gore was right and should have been President.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 08:01 AM
Jun 2024

That was a huge loss politically and environmentaly.

thucythucy

(9,103 posts)
88. But...but...Ralph Nader called Gore a "faux environmentalist."
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 09:19 AM
Jun 2024

And I ran into SO many self-identified progressives back then who told me there was no difference between Gore and Dubya.

Then too, many of these same folks kept telling me that abortion was a "non-issue" and that Roe would never be overturned. So voting for Hillary was a moral outrage, a sell-out of my principles, an exercise in voting for the "lesser of two evils.'

One of them even said he was "tired of the progressive agenda being held hostage by 'women's issues.'"

Surely all those folks couldn't have been wrong?



Sorry for the rant, but I had to get that off my chest.

Dated I know. It's not like any "progressives" these days are threatening to withhold support for President Biden because.... because...

-misanthroptimist

(1,616 posts)
80. It only gets worse from here.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 07:46 AM
Jun 2024

By the mid-to-late 2030s, industrial scale farming will become...challenging to put it mildly. Famines will be frequent and widespread. For richer nations, food prices will skyrocket. I shudder to think what will happen to poorer nations. This will put great pressure on governments around the world. Many will fall fairly quickly, resulting in anarchy.

In addition to starvation, there will be severe droughts and severe floods around the world. The melting of the Himalayan glaciers is highly likely to produce war among China, India, and Pakistan -all of whom have depended upon those glaciers for fresh water, and all of whom are armed with nuclear weapons.

We will see more severe weather, with some being unprecedented. Think of the 2010 Northern Hemisphere heatwave. Now imagine that happening every year somewhere in the world...or even several times every year.

The Atlantic hurricane season this year will be interesting and may provide clues as to what will happen with hurricanes in the future. Will the warming sea surface temperatures (which are at an all time high by a large margin) produce dozens of storms or will it produce storms of unprecedented strength or both? We may have a better handle on those questions after the next couple of years.

Summing up: Prepare yourselves. The crash is coming. It is unavoidable.

Good luck to all the young people who will have to pay for the excesses and irresponsibility of older people. I'm sorry.

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
102. I'm pretty sure climate change will be how our population loses 4-5 billion
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jun 2024

Mostly from poorer nations.

Swede

(39,515 posts)
93. They're evacuating Churchill Falls, Newfoundland because of fires right now.
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 10:45 AM
Jun 2024

The list of towns in Canada destroyed by fires over the last few years grows every summer. This is all new. Look at this list. It starts in 1825, so you say, it's always happened. But look how the numbers jump around 2014. It's scary.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires_in_Canada

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
98. and
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 10:59 AM
Jun 2024

Mother Nature bats last.

although my take is: you cannot turn forests into parking lots and expect there to be no fallout or rise in temperatures.

JCMach1

(29,202 posts)
106. Climate change, yes... But magnified by 24x7 infotainment
Fri Jun 21, 2024, 04:16 PM
Jun 2024

Providers...

Even worse, I think it does a disservice to break the weather/climate down into narrative parts. Storm here, flood there. It makes it hard to see the bigger picture which if you follow the science is way scarier than whatever Gore told you 20 years ago.

The media doesn't/or won't tell that story.

betsuni

(29,080 posts)
109. NBC loves the word "deadly." For one ABC "deadly" NBC has four or five.
Sat Jun 22, 2024, 07:22 AM
Jun 2024

Deadly floods, deadly forest fires, deadly tornados, deadly storms, deadly heat. The news is the deadly weather.

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