Watching this seven-minute video will bring back the Trump shock of 2016. We all need to watch it again (and again).

[ificandream]

I don't know about you, but like everyone, I felt like everyone seemed to think that Trump would never win in 2016. I figured he had a snowball's chance in hell. Even Fox didn't think he'd win (it's in the clip). And then come election night and we all get quite a shock from which we still haven't recovered.

Today, I happened to rewatch Michael Moore's "Farenheit 11/9." While the whole movie is pretty good, the opening in which he recalls Election Night 2016 is fantastic and it sure woke up my brain again to what we went through. Nobody thought it would happen. But it did.

If you can, rewatch the whole movie. But if not, at least see these seven minutes. I think we were a little complacent in 2016. We got through in 2020. We don't want 2016 to happen again ... because Trump isn't fooling around this time.

This ought to be replayed for every human being in this country.

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[sprinkleeninow]

1. I've always felt that the last minute stunt comey pulled put the kabosh on Hillary's expected win. nt

[ificandream]

2. Yeah, that had something to do with it, but ...

... there was a complacency that seemed to run throughout. (The clip does mention Comey, by the way.) And that complacency could hurt us again if we let it. I think that's the bigger point this clip makes.

[Think. Again.]

6. I agree, the hubris borne of the "sure win" attitude...

....led to a complacency that that lost the race.

Classic Tortiose and the Hare.

[betsuni]

7. Where was the "hubris"? Third party voters, non-voters who were complacent?

[Think. Again.]

11. The "hubris" was evident in the national expectation of a Clinton win...

....which led to complacency by a very small amount of non-voters and third-party protest-voters in a few very important states.

[ificandream]

16. Agreed.

[Maraya1969]

4. I heard that somewhere also

But I think it was Russia who got him over because they concentrated in certain areas and were able to squeak out a win by collecting electoral votes that no one was paying attention to.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Exactly. Manafort was passing polling data to the Russians.

And US voting demographics.

The Russias were obviously doing something with that data.

It is obvious the Russian interference in that election was more extensive
that we want to face.

[Jeebo]

3. It was a concatenation of strategic states in the electoral college.

It was close wins for the orange con man in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. They were all very close and I have been thinking it was just a coincidence that those strategic states just barely fell in line for him. Now, I don't think it was a coincidence. I think the Russians targeted their election interference very strategically so that he would win those critical states. I am very concerned that they are going to do the same thing again this time, and the mango Mussolini is just barely going to eke it out again by winning two or three very close states because of Russian interference. We need to be figuring out a way to prevent that from happening again. Again, I suspect that it was not a coincidence that he just eked out a win in three very close and very critical states.

-- Ron

[betsuni]

5. "She had no idea who any of these rappers were" -- why wouldn't Hillary know donors and supporters

holding an event for her? How the hell does he know? Always have to get insult to Democrats in there.

MM at the Toronto International Film Festival for the opening of 11/9: "One of the reasons I made this movie is that I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is. Because they're taking half-measures, because they're beholden to the same money and interests."

Let that sink in. Trump is more progressive than Democrats like Obama, Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, etc. (Teh dreaded Establishment).

[Think. Again.]

9. Maybe now isn't the time to try to stir up trivial infighting on the Left....

Who cares what Micheal Moore thinks about "the Establishment", or what you anybody thinks about "Progressives", or what Clinton thinks about Rap Stars.

At this point in time we need to stand together solidly against the rightwing. We can get back to nit-picking each other after Biden wins.

[betsuni]

10. Yes, Michael Moore shouldn't stir up infighting with baseless insults against Democrats.

Those were his words, his documentary.

[Think. Again.]

12. I'm in the present, care to join me?

[betsuni]

13. The OP is about Michael Moore's 2018 documentary and the 2016 election.

[Think. Again.]

14. No, the OP is very specifically about our current situation.

[ificandream]

17. My point was we can't be complacent. That's all.

[malaise]

15. I have my copy

MM nailed it as always