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Trump says if he loses the 2024 election he will try to “stop it a second time,” invoking January 6
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Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Unbelievable we have to worry about this is the US.
A presidential candidate sending his people to overturn an election.
3Hotdogs
(15,368 posts)The building will be protected. The legislators will be protected.
smb
(3,598 posts)Cross the first line and you will be arrested.
Cross the second line and you will be shot.
sheshe2
(97,633 posts)Thank you.
wnylib
(26,017 posts)That failed even when Trump was in office and he's not in charge now. I'd expect to see different tactics this time.
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)Harder to stop because they're all over the country vs in one place, and none of them will have their own security.
wnylib
(26,017 posts)Had not thought of that, but it might work for them.
FarPoint
(14,766 posts)Additionally....I see tRump fleeing the country before that, after he looses bigly in November.....they let him keep his passport for a reason...leaving would be a relief...
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Yes we would love for Trump to flee the jurisdiction.
I doubt he will.
His adoring cult is in the US and he cannot be parted from them.
FarPoint
(14,766 posts)Plus, he is hedging in over limits with his bets and getting big donors with promises if he is President....which will not pan out, drowning in IOU's he could never return as promised.... Yea, I see him leaving ASAP ....he has no other choice as I see it.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)First, he is addicted to the adoration of his cult.
The rallies feed him, give him his narc high.
I don't know if he can leave that behind.
Second, he can manipulate the US justice system.
Most US judges are afraid of him.
He may not be able to manipulate the judges in other countries.
Third, where would he go?
The only place he should go would be a fascist dictatorship country.
But those places could turn on him in a second, he has no security there.
Yes he may be tempted to leave, but I don't know where he could go.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)no matter how obvious it is that it is truly over. He will keep hanging in there until he dies or ends up in prison. He is incapable of admitting defeat.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)However, if he truly is facing prison, he might flee.
But it is doubtful that even if he is sentenced to jail time,
he would actually have to go to jail with years of appeals, etc.
So yes seems unlikely he would flee.
And the other problem is where would he go.
He is superb at manipulating the US public and court system.
Other countries won't be so easy, unless it is a dictatorship.
And he won't fare very well in those countries long term.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)The dictators of the world might support him as a U.S. politician, but even they don't want him in their country. They know what a pain in the ass he is. They would rather Trump be our problem. I really can't see where he'd go.
As for prison, I agree he'd probably drag out the appeals process so long that he'd die before seeing the inside of a cell.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)If he was living in their country.
Dictators across the world love Trump, but only if he lives in the US.
They might take him if he paid them a great deal of money.
But they would soon have to kill or imprison him.
Yes Trump will drag out the appeal process in terms of a jail sentence
and then claim he is too old and sick to go to prison.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)And I don't think Trump has the kind of money he would need to pay off a foreign dictator. His presence in their country would just be a liability and would draw unnecessary public attention.
We know that no one really likes Donald Trump and if he has nothing of value to offer, he would become a man without a country. As with his entire life, it would be very transactional and he has no real worth.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)He could have made $Billions while he was in office.
Some of the classified documents he stole are worth a great deal of money.
We have seen pictures of empty folders. They went somewhere.
Trump does not give away anything for free.
And how many people, corporations, and countries did he shake down?
How much was China, Russia, Saudi, Iran, NK funneling to him?
We know Trump does nothing for free.
We know Kushner got $2B from the Saudis free and clear, right out in the open.
Trump was way more valuable than Kushner.
We can assume our enemies are still spending money on Trump.
He is a good investment.
Any campaign funds Trump gets, he takes a personal cut.
The laws don't deter him in the least.
He also has other classified docs hidden away most likely, Garland never had all of Trump's properties
searched. He can sell them whenever he wants. Or use them for black mail, etc.
Trump probably has money stashed in quite a few places.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)To have a former US president defect to their country would be worth something.
But yes Trump would be a great deal of trouble.
Someone like Kim Jong Un or Putin could handle Trump.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)Though I think Trump would be far more trouble than he is worth. I don't think they'd know what to do with him, though he might become very accident prone if he resided in a dictatorship. We all know how he hates stairs.
Once his propaganda value decreases, he might want to avoid windows, staircases, and tea.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)managing Trump.
Even smart, sophisticated, well read Americans have no idea what autocracies are like.
I spent some time in autocratic communist China before the economic reformation
and it was so chilling an experience, words cannot describe it well.
People like Xi, Putin, Kim Jong Un would have Trump under total control within 48 hours.
They would know exactly what to do and how to do it.
You probably don't want to know the details.
It would be a combination of kick and kiss him into a compliance.
They are superb masters at this game.
But that said, some of the smaller country dictators might not know what to do with Trump.
Yes this kind of dictator would have to kill Trump fairly soon.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)Trump to a reeducation camp! 
Yes, Trump likes the idea of autocracies as long as HE is the autocrat. It might be healthy for him to see upfront what they are really like if you're not on top.
I have no doubt that it was a chilling experience. I have a hard time just watching movies about such societies.
FarPoint
(14,766 posts)He will go to Saudi Arabia
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)This election is Trump’s last chance and theirs to destroy democracy. They will do everything possible to manipulate this election. I hope Democrats have a team working with states to game the possible attacks that may come from Republicans and ways to counter them.
COL Mustard
(8,222 posts)But I’m sure they’ll run somebody equally as bad as 2028…or 2032…or…you get the idea.
bucolic_frolic
(55,143 posts)And President Biden will respond, perhaps with force or riot troops. I doubt very much we will take this lying down again. Trump neutered the federal response on Jan 6 2021. Won't recur.
padah513
(2,710 posts)They know that jail is a real possibility for peons like them. For the masterminds not so much.
NJCher
(43,165 posts)After he lost, to which he admitted to the book author, he was sitting in trump tower, lonely and looking for someone to talk to. The book author found him easy access and trump would talk his ear off. The author said he was afraid sometimes that he wouldn't be able to get away from trump.
He doesn't care about the presidency. He cares about having an audience to whine to.
You'll also find out that trump is way more senile than we thought. He couldn't remember from one meeting to the next. As suggested on another thread, set up a fake Oval Office, plop him in a chair, and have some support staff so he can think he's president.
riversedge
(80,811 posts)NJCher
(43,165 posts)we all know that the only people believing that is his "base," which is guessed at around 28%. There are no recent figures. The latest is CNN, which cites tje 28%, and goes back to late Feb of 23.
Are they dangerous? Yes, but the most dangerous of all are locked up. They are the ones he was able to incite.
Don't get me wrong---Biden winning is no walk in the park. If you want to fear something, fear, the legal strategy Roger Stone blabbed about to Lauren Windsor. We all see how he locked up the SC and if there is any way they can throw the election to him, they will do it.
The most promising strategy with the dangerous SC is to keep the pressure on over Alito and Thomas. If we can do that, it will be very difficult for those two to weigh in on that decision. Alito has not been showing up and Thomas is the new laughing stock of the judiciary with his single holdout vote on the gun decision. Also more corruption from taking billionaire money. If those two can be neutered (I loved choosing that word, smirk), then we are down to this:
maybe trump
Roberts
Gorsuch
Kavanaugh
Barrett
no trump
Sotomayer
Kagan
Jackson
Which while not great, is a helluva lot better than having thomas and alito in there.
We know gorsuch and kavanaugh can pull some unexpected decisions. Gorsuch shocked the right with his opinion on Bostock, for example. Also Edmo, Kincaid, and Grimm.
If you look at the Martin-Quinn scores, kavanaugh is just a wee bit more liberal than barrett and gorsuch. Kavanaugh is kind of the median when alito and thomas are factored in. If they're out, however, who knows?
I would add that one other factor is how crazy he gets. The SC deciders would probably rather go Biden than the madman that is emerging with trump. Alito and Thomas would do it, but sans them, I don't see the rest of them as that crazy.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,897 posts)When he refers to the "American People", he means "HIS PEOPLE".
When he says "OUR COUNTRY", he means "HIS COUNTRY as he seeks to RULE".
We have to think like he does when he says what he says.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)Biden will not hesitate.
Americanme
(497 posts)"A lot of people told me"... who cares, they were wrong. I'm sure many people told Biden he would win too.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound indifferent to the danger. That is very real. I meant, I don't care who told him he would win, that is not proof that he won. So sick of his whining.
Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Welcome to DU!
NJCher
(43,165 posts)first time around. I had to scroll up to re-read the OP, though.
GreenWave
(12,641 posts)
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Nobody would ever give a number you have to get; especially when 1/3 of eligible voters didnt vote. There's no way to estimate the number you need without knowing how many vote
FarPoint
(14,766 posts)Democrats will keep the Senate control as well as easily retake the House....
tRump will flee to Saudi Arabia after the election for some golf crap....never coming back that one....that is how I predict it all will go down.
Hope22
(4,746 posts)It’s a long wait to 1/20/25. The faux soldiers will be itching to kill! I could be wrong and that would be wonderful.
MiHale
(13,032 posts)This will go on till he’s permanently out of the way.
C_U_L8R
(49,384 posts)We don't need this shit again. Neither do the magats - who will throw their lives away for this idiot and rot for years in prison.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)gab13by13
(32,324 posts)TSF learned from the last attempted coup. This time the coup will be tried way before the certification of the Electoral ballots.
Magat election officials will refuse to certify the vote count in Democratic districts across the country. Magats want the certification to be thrown back to the states and our fascist Supreme Court will be happy to do so.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,605 posts)
Joinfortmill
(21,169 posts)
BSdetect
(9,048 posts)sop
(18,626 posts)Easterncedar
(6,269 posts)Lock him up, for gods sake
Ha bloody ha
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)But try it again, and it is not an official duty. It will just be a violent power grab and will end very poorly for convicted criminal Trump.
Trueblue Texan
(4,466 posts)I think they'll use that as evidence in his Jan 6 trial.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)
BlueKota
(5,350 posts)If he wins or tries staging a coup, it will be too late.
mucifer
(25,667 posts)BlueKota
(5,350 posts)Especially since most Republicans in power are refusing to commit to accepting a Biden win. Even if it's a landslide Biden win I don't trust the current Supreme Court not to invent a reason to overturn it.
I know it sounds paranoid, but I keep going back to the fact that the Magats are blatantly broadcasting Project 25, admitting already they won't accept a Trump loss, etc, if they weren't confident they are going to be able to at least try and pull off something bad. I just am really anxious and uncomfortable about being a sitting duck. I will vote, that's all I can do, but I am really upset that the people who do have the power to do more, aren't putting more effort into protecting us before it's too late.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)Didn't work out as planned but they tried.
Obviously rump isn't Napoleon but letting that smelly ass crack off for January 6th without at least a flogging just enabled him.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)
barbtries
(31,308 posts)we have a different president this time. Unfortunately, there are a number of people in Congress who will be on the outside this time.
I am convinced that there will be violence again. I'm so disheartened by these events.
BlueMTexpat
(15,690 posts)admission that he deliberately inspired January 6, 2021.
Stop with ALL the trial delays. This man is an admitted traitor to the US!
BlueKota
(5,350 posts)There isn't even anything that qualifies as reasonable doubt. He's aleady admitting what he did, and what he will do again, if given the opportunity. He's a covinicted felon already. Just say he's violating the terms of his parole and toss his ass in jail, and leave him until he rots. Why let him free to hurt more people?
onenote
(46,142 posts)BlueKota
(5,350 posts)already abandoned it. They are basically protecting him from going to trial for inciting an insurrection, Cannon is doing the same thing in regards to his having illegally taken national security documents, putting the country's safety at risk.
He's already stated he won't accept a loss in the election, Republican members of Congress won't commit to accepting a Biden win, so even if we vote in droves, there is no guarantee they won't attempt another January 6 and this time be successful. Also no guarantee the SC majority won't invent some phony reason to overturn even a Biden landslide. Are we supposed to just say well the SC ruled that way so we have to accept it? Just how much are we supposed to accept? Are there no lines in the sand to be drawn?
The government agencies have stated they won't intervene to point out fraud because they are afraid of looking too pro-Biden.
Not to mention the Supreme Court has also taken away civil rights from thousands of women, and some of them have even died as a result. People including children have died from mass shootings and they won't even allow common sense gun regulations to pass or even uphold what has already passed.
Who is protecting our rights? What good is the Constitution doing when the courts who swore to protect it, are the ones trashing it to begin with. Are the rest of us just supposed to be like oh well while they trample women's rights, LBGTQIA rights, immigrant rights. How can we claim the moral high ground, if we all just sit here doing nothing to stop that theft? Who protects our human rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
Would you still pay rent to a landlord that wrongfully evicted you. The social contract has already been broken by them, and unless people wake up to that fact, we are pretty much screwed anyway.
BlueKota
(5,350 posts)danger to the U.S. He is already stating he will only accept the results of the election if he wins?
I know some people will argue that he has his rights protected too because we are a democratic republic, but if he isn't willing to accept that concept for others, then to me he should be viewed as forfeiting those rights for himself. He is advocating violence. He is putting others in danger. Why are so many willing to just accept this and not do anything to protect his would be victims? It will be too late when they're dead.
He needs to just be locked permanently. No trial! Nothing just straight to a high security prision.
Emile
(42,289 posts)
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)will burn this country down to stop himself going to jail.
Cheezoholic
(3,719 posts)There will be many that will go down with him and good riddance. Unfortunately many will unnecessarily perish mostly for him and maybe a few defending our Constitution which if that happens, should undoubtedly put the final nail into this fucks coffin. As prepared to try and steal the election as they think are this time around, the States and Federal governments and more importantly, the American people are even more prepared for his Mussolini comedy coup. Fuck these polls, they're worthless and WRONG! I truly think the majority of this country is fed up with this fucker and his traveling troupe of fuckwad idiots. It'll be the last gasp of an extremely desperate despot because if he loses he will most definitely die not just in jail but probably in solitary.
One good thing has come of this. Between his first term and his last ditch desperation to beg borrow and steal to get money he has laid open the darkness within Republican party that LBJ shed our party of in '65. Hopefully it will begin a healing and we can all go back to bitching about fiscal responsibility or whatever "normal" stupid shit a conservative believes in. 
Joinfortmill
(21,169 posts)ramapo
(4,777 posts)Why is this just about the POTUS election?
Why should any vote be accepted be it for Senate, House, Mayor, or Town Council.
Makes no sense....if the system is fixed then wouldn't the fix be in at every level.
All losing candidates should feel free to not only use the courts but to riot and cause mayhem to avenge their loss.
BlueKota
(5,350 posts)if the candidates declare they won't accept the results as legitimate before the votes, are even cast? Any candidate who advocates that should automatically be disqualified from running.
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)Will any of them start a coup junior? Or will they just direct their followers to join traitor's magat invasion. If I were a Dem Senator or Representative, I'd stay on my side of the aisle, and avoid any of the crazies on the other side.
spanone
(141,621 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)And bump stocks will be popular---Clarence Thomas will avoid any danger, by being on some billionaire's yacht, far away. That's present-day America, for you.
harumph
(3,279 posts)I'm not joking. It may be the only way to clear at the massive rats nest.
There are key players in this and I'm sure the intelligence services know who these fuckers are.
A nice stint of 10 - 15 years in prison will do wonders for their complexions.
BlueKota
(5,350 posts)It feels to me like we are the people who are in the path of a devastating hurricane, who have been pre-warned to prepare or get out of it's path, yet just sit here hoping it won't happen, or by some miracle we will defy the odds and survive, if it hits.
Something needs to be done, before it hits.
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)He is openly urging American citizens to overthrow their own government. How can a possible presidential candidate be allowed to go arround fomenting war against the country in which he is running for office? With the things he's saying, how can his campaign even be legitimate? He's not running to be the American president. He's running to demolish the country. How can this be? The United States should not be putting up with this obvious crime against its sovereignty.
GOTV!
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,169 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)BlueKota
(5,350 posts)It wouldn't surprise me, if they invent a reason to overturn a landslide Biden win.
I trust them about as much as I would trust Hitler or Stalin if they were still alive. They won't even uphold their own code of "ethics."
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)BlueKota
(5,350 posts)but in light of recent revelations and events, I remain skeptical. Their unwillingness to uphold even minimal ethical standards, they supposedly established for themselves, and refusing to answer legitimate questions from the judicial oversight committee, I think justifies my lack of trust in them. If they quit stalling on the immunity question, don't grant him enough immunity to have the January 6 case thrown out before it can even go to trial, then I might trust them again. Until then my jury is still out on them.
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)moondust
(21,286 posts)Using propaganda repetition to "rig" a contest in people's minds before the contest takes place. He did it in 2016 and 2020 so of course he's doing it again. All he has to offer is bullshit.
BComplex
(9,914 posts)crap.
Blue Owl
(59,107 posts)
kacekwl
(9,147 posts)admitting he's responsible for the 1st insurrection. So trial is not needed. Have him sign the confession and lock him up.
Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)He will watch from the sidelines in comfort.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)Let's see what shenanigans the Con & his numbnuts will pull & get themselves arrested.
pecosbob
(8,387 posts)This time we will right things ourselves.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)Trump: "Now I need all of you to march right on down to the Capitol and Make America Great Again!"
...twenty minutes later...
"Hello, Mr. Trump. We have a little problem here. There are four Apache helicopters circling the Capitol, there are dozens of people on the roof with machine guns, there's a Bradley parked in front of the main entrance with its turret pointing at us, there's a sign on the door that says a battery of 155mm howitzers is sitting on Fort Myer zeroed in on the courtyard in front of the building, and every door is guarded by Green Berets who don't look happy to see us. NOW what the hell do we do?"