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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf President Biden won the coin toss then why didn't he choose to get the last word?
Trump gets the final word at CNN debate after coin flipBidens campaign chose to select the right podium position, which means the Democratic president will be on the right side of television viewers screens and his Republican rival will be on viewers left.
Trumps campaign then chose for the former president to deliver the last closing statement, which means Biden will go first at the conclusion of the debate.
It seems to me that podium position is trivial, especially when compared to getting a final word after Trump inevitably closes with a Gish gallop that would make the ghost of Gish himself blush with envy.
Edit: The Daily Beast offers an explanation based upon "the theory of stagecraft".
we can do it
(13,024 posts)hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)thereby seek to "trigger" Trump in wild refutation in his last "time at bat."
I hope it is something this strategic.
Submariner
(13,365 posts)EYESORE 9001
(29,727 posts)National security and all. Personally, Id be worried if I got on the bad side of the CIA or any other intelligence agency.
Ninga
(9,012 posts)right away and by the time the end arrives, it matters not who speaks last.
What do you think?
hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)I would prefer your scenario which would present lots of clips that even the most oblivious MAGA Fox viewer might ultimately see and have to "take in."
All that I know is that I'm apprehensive and beyond anxious to see Biden smack him down.
2naSalit
(102,780 posts)Both. Biden will have him ranting from the opening statements to closing. The last thing to be seen will be a tirade like nobody ever seen, emitting from the orange face of anger.
That will leave a mark.
oasis
(53,692 posts)image on the minds of viewers.
Aristus
(72,179 posts)His demented cult followers will gobble up whatever incomprehensible word salad he spews out. But anyone not inclining toward President Biden quite yet, and planning to stay home on Election Day, may change their minds and vote against Trump based on that.
lindysalsagal
(22,905 posts)odins folly
(596 posts)To make compelling arguments and statements to then be followed by the rambling and confusing word salad of the lunatic
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Americans identifying word salad is akin to a fish searching for water.
JI7
(93,615 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)My guess is that is tiny's preferred dominant position. Maybe he hears or sees better on that side, but someone has probably noticed it is his go to position when on stage with other podiums.
Letting him go last will just let the contrast set in.
First, a worldly, family first message to the heart of our democracy. Then an unhinged rant about batteries, sharks, snakes, and poisoned blood.
What are the chances stoopid will be able to stay on message, after 45 minutes, with no teleprompter?
I think they know what they are doing.
Emile
(42,284 posts)benefit President Biden.
Ocelot II
(130,524 posts)That means that if the image on viewers' TVs shows Trump on the left side of the screen and Biden on the right, their eyes will tend to track away from Trump and settle on Biden. It's a subtle but important visual design concept and it means that for the full 90 minutes viewers will tend to be looking more at Biden, all other elements being equal.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Veery little has both participants.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)For some reason, I want Biden on the right. I can't even identify why that is, but when I imagine him on the left, it feels wrong. Maybe it has to do with what you say, I visually settle on the right. Strange. I feel certain that Biden's people have excellent reasons for choosing that over going first or last.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,075 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(7,645 posts)Let Trump have the last word and let him go off the rails with some incoherent rant.
agingdem
(8,847 posts)Trump's last words (I wish!) will be a disjointed series of babble...self-praise, lies, conspiracies, insults, Hunter Biden...he will accuse Biden of orchestrating his multiple convictions, insist he won the 2020 election, and attack Joe on immigration blah blah blah..a Trump mini rally for an audience of none..great!
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Indykatie
(3,868 posts)Biden let Trump go last for a reason. It may be that Biden wants the last memory from the debate to be Trump going on one of his ridiculous batsh*t crazy rants. I saw on DU where even Fox cut away from his last rant. For many viewers it will be the first time being exposed to the unfiltered declining Trump. Trust me, they won't soon forget. I'm still not convinced that Trump will show up though and all our hand wringing will have been for naught.
Ocelot II
(130,524 posts)about the thing in question than the people who are actually doing the thing.
mercuryblues
(16,409 posts)Will use his closing ststement for thank yous and a positive appeal to voters. Then say something that will get under trump's thin skin.
Trump will then go off on an unhinged tangent. That is what will stick in voters mind.
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)People are going to shut off Trump.
GoCubsGo
(34,911 posts)And, they expect the final impression to be Trump being a blithering, ranting, raving incoherent lunatic. Which should turn off lots of people to him.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)So that position helps him hear better.
Kid Berwyn
(24,392 posts)...and drop an ear-worm into dip's cauliflower like head-holes. For instance...
"You are not running to be President of the United States, you are running to stay out of prison."
And then:
"I am running to continue building the nation -- helping young people get a start in life, not bankruptcy in the pursuit of a college degree; helping working people get ahead by creating manufacturing jobs and encouraging union membership; helping our seniors feel secure their Social Security and Medicare will always be here to help them..."
By the time the tee vee comes back to Trump, the only thing in his mind will be sharks, golf, strippers and e-boat batteries.
ratchiweenie
(8,215 posts)He got to choose podium position OR final word. I assume that there is lots of research on podium position and how it affects peoples perception of the speaker. Standing on the right and walking to the left as you speak seems more natural.
Torchlight
(6,822 posts)(and very likely, also options we haven't even imaged), and decided on a best course strategy, providing for any number of oddities from the trump campaign.
My guess is Biden's campaign staff is on the ball, aware of the triggers, trip-wires, and land-mines that we don't as amateurs perceive, while weighing and gaming out every possible scenario depending on which Mr. trump shows up that night.
unblock
(56,198 posts)Yes it may be the last words of the debate, but the entire campaign is what matters, and there's plenty of time to respond to any crap Donnie spews in his conclusion of the debate.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...tv companies track viewing times, and if they can tell when a substantial portion of the viewing audience switches off the program?
If so, it would be fun if the headlines the next morning screamed about how most of the audience shut off their tv's just after Biden finished his closing statement.
Liberal In Texas
(16,270 posts)for starting by being able to talk to the audience about the reasonable and good things four more years of the Biden administration will do for them.
Ping Tung
(4,370 posts)outdo himself in exhibiting what a childish asshole he is. I expect Joe to be grinning and rolling his eyes during the diatribe.
Biden's a smart politician in using Trump as THE Issue in this election. 90 minutes of seeing Joe as the wise, patient, presidential man explaining his positions vs the slogan repeating blowhard will pay off.
I wouldn't be surprised to politely ask Don to please clarify his position(s) on abortion rights and medicinal bleach in his summation.
Renew Deal
(85,148 posts)WestMichRad
(3,252 posts)is that there is another scheduled debate, in which things like positioning and who gets the last word are likely to be reversed in the interest of fairness. Biden will get the closing words then.
Blue Owl
(59,095 posts)NotASurfer
(2,369 posts)Somebody will throw a tantrum the next day if the discussion is about his balding head blinding the cameras instead of all the loony toon comments intended to suck the oxygen out of the room. If the takeaway is that President Biden has more hair, I think there will be a meltdown. Vanity is a brutal mistress.
