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bigtree

(94,265 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 03:59 PM Jun 2024

Cannon questions Special Counsel funding, independence. Gets schooled.

Katie Phang @KatiePhang 2h
Next up was James Pearce, on behalf of the Special Counsel's Office.

Pearce: Special Counsel is independent counsel that can access Congressionally-enacted permanent, indefinite funding.

Cannon: So it's limitless appropriations?

Pearce: Yes, consistent with the idea of

Cannon: Can you provide some examples of limitless appropriations?

Pearce: Yes, I can think of two. And it means that they are not limited by time or by amount.

Cannon then started to ask Pearce about the Special Counsel's website that showed the latest expenditure report. She even drilled down on specific line items, including the total amount of expenditures for November

Cannon: Is it $5.4 million or really $9 million?

Pearce: I'm not sure, but we can supplement w/the Court.

Cannon: That would be helpful because these are public documents.

Pearce: I understand, but your Honor, there is no case where any court has suggested that the total amount of expenditures is relevant.

Cannon: But when it's limitless, there is a separation of powers concern...

Pearce: In fact the caselaw says only to focus on the source [of funding] and the purpose [of the funding].

Cannon: Don't interrupt me.

Cannon: What about other funding sources? What is your substantiation for your argument that there is alternate funding available to the SCO?

Pearce: I can represent that there is the full commitment of the DOJ to fund the Special Counsel in this prosecution.

Pearce: The DOJ has over a billion dollars that can be used as appropriations to fund the Special Counsel's Office.

Pearce: There is “sufficient independence” and the special counsel “strikes that balance of independence and accountability.”

Pearce furthers that the special counsel can and should be able to operate outside of the DOJ.

Cannon: Are there any examples that you can think of when an Attorney General rescinds or modifies order of appointment of SC?

Pearce: I can't think of any examples where regulations were rescinded midstream, other than perhaps the Saturday Night Massacre.


Cannon: So this idea of

Pearce: So it's not really a question of whether the rescission happened or not, it's how is the power structured.

Cannon: Janet Reno said it's too much political pressure to yank a special prosecutor.

Pearce: There is a presumption of regularity. As far as our SC are concerned, SC have complied with specific framework, complying with DOJ policies, etc.

Pearce: The test of what makes someone a "principal officer" is not whether they are President-nominated and Senate-confirmed.






"Don't interrupt me!"
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Cannon questions Special Counsel funding, independence. Gets schooled. (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2024 OP
Her lack of legal knowledge edhopper Jun 2024 #1
She may not have much history but she is very well coached. erronis Jun 2024 #25
She is DETERMINED to make Jack Smith the defendant rather than bluestarone Jun 2024 #2
What is wrong with her is that she serves neither the law nor the public. Mister Ed Jun 2024 #3
☝️☝️ crickets Jun 2024 #4
That would also apply to the majority of SCOTUS even though japple Jun 2024 #15
"WTF is wrong with this STUPID judge?"... I think (with no proof) she is being coached on what to say and do.nt mitch96 Jun 2024 #13
Could be multiple things johnnyfins Jun 2024 #19
well hell. onethatcares Jun 2024 #5
I swear (I have been thinking this for ages now with Trump and his lawyers).I think they are so uneducated chowder66 Jun 2024 #6
She has clearly taken a deep dive down the Q-conspiracy rabbit hole. A total lunatic. Pepsidog Jun 2024 #7
She is a traitor. triron Jun 2024 #8
I have no respect for Cannon, but respect for the role of judges means she is right. She should not be interrupted. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2024 #9
given her egregious behavior, my response to that is BS NoRethugFriends Jun 2024 #26
Any judge who purposely delays justice needs Emile Jun 2024 #10
She will soon partner with Alina Habbadabbado Aviation Pro Jun 2024 #11
Can Nothing Be Done About Her? WiVoter Jun 2024 #12
She's fishing for a way to throw out the case Diraven Jun 2024 #14
Or to handicap the case by removing key counsel. live love laugh Jun 2024 #28
Bullshitters gotta sling bullshit cuz they aren't very smart. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2024 #16
SHE IS PERFORMING FOR THE CULT Skittles Jun 2024 #17
How is that within her scope to consider? LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #18
Good Gawd! GiqueCee Jun 2024 #20
She's sticking her nose where it doesn't belong. Katcat Jun 2024 #21
Focusing on irrelevant minutiae Retrograde Jun 2024 #22
This is closest to what I think is happening. She's way out of her league ms liberty Jun 2024 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #23
It's like she has an earpiece and someone is feeding her the questions Raven123 Jun 2024 #24

erronis

(23,882 posts)
25. She may not have much history but she is very well coached.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jun 2024

I'd love to be able to ask Cannon who is funding her?

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
2. She is DETERMINED to make Jack Smith the defendant rather than
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 04:24 PM
Jun 2024

TFG. WTF is wrong with this STUPID judge?

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
3. What is wrong with her is that she serves neither the law nor the public.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 04:32 PM
Jun 2024

She is answerable only to those who put her where she is: Donald Trump and the Federalist Society.

japple

(10,459 posts)
15. That would also apply to the majority of SCOTUS even though
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:25 PM
Jun 2024

GWB also had a hand in it.

mitch96

(15,804 posts)
13. "WTF is wrong with this STUPID judge?"... I think (with no proof) she is being coached on what to say and do.nt
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:20 PM
Jun 2024

johnnyfins

(3,768 posts)
19. Could be multiple things
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jun 2024

1) She is overseeing a case against the guy who put her in office

2) OPINION ONLY: She could be getting rewarded and threatened at the same time.

3) She actually has consumed the kool aid and thinks that TSF could never do wrong.

4) She actually thinks that after all of this horseshit, she has a shot at being confirmed to SCOTUS one day.

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
5. well hell.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jun 2024

isn't a certain someone known for line iteming any bill that passed across his desk? sounds like that certain person is acting like it's his money being spent to convict his self

chowder66

(12,245 posts)
6. I swear (I have been thinking this for ages now with Trump and his lawyers).I think they are so uneducated
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 05:35 PM
Jun 2024

in matters of law that they use their lawsuits to learn on the job.

Same goes for Cannon in this case.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
9. I have no respect for Cannon, but respect for the role of judges means she is right. She should not be interrupted. . nt
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jun 2024

Aviation Pro

(15,579 posts)
11. She will soon partner with Alina Habbadabbado
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:11 PM
Jun 2024

And specialize in parking lot law.

If they keep their licenses.

WiVoter

(1,620 posts)
12. Can Nothing Be Done About Her?
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:14 PM
Jun 2024

A leak, 11th circuit, something? It is clear that justice will not be done here.

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
14. She's fishing for a way to throw out the case
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:24 PM
Jun 2024

But not sound like an idiot. Not going great so far.

GiqueCee

(4,259 posts)
20. Good Gawd!
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:51 PM
Jun 2024

This woman is an imbecile! How did she ever get a law degree?

Aileen, sweetie, baby, cookie, honey. When the hole you've dug for yourself starts to look like a grave, it's time to stop digging.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
22. Focusing on irrelevant minutiae
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jun 2024

is often a sign that the person is in way over their heads and doesn't understand the bigger picture. So they focus on things they think they understand, whether it has bearing on the issue or not. Next I expect her to go into detail about the brands of office supplies the Special Prosecutor's office uses.

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