MSNBC gives platform to far right

[angrychair]

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Q: Does Project 2025 believe a woman should be able to have an abortion if her doctor says she needs one?

Project 2025 leader: Abortion is not health care, abortion is murder

Why is MSNBC giving this asshole a national platform to spew his hate and misogyny?
News media wants chaos and misery so bad they can taste it. The only group of people that wants trump in control more than trump is the news media.
Sooooo at my limit. This is 2020 and 2016 all over again. After a certain point that it is on purpose is no longer a question anymore.

Link with video:

Post by @bidenharrishq

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Link to full interview:

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[Silent Type]

1. Don't think he came out a winner. Some people need to see this crud 24/7 until the election.

[angrychair]

3. As the saying goes

"All publicity is good publicity". They get their message out on a large international platform and news media, especially MSNBC and no matter the reporter, never does any follow up or hard questions, most news interviews are little more than an open mic night where they are allowed to say whatever they want unchallenged.

[Silent Type]

6. "That message don't hunt."

[angrychair]

10. With Democrats, no it doesnt

But I expect the news media to do it's damn job and stop being stenographers.

[Silent Type]

12. I agree with poster that said "they exposed that junk." No truly undecided voter will change their mind

based on that.

But, I do get agitated at similar white wing guests on shows. But podcasts and such that never have opposition guests, just don’t interest me.

[angrychair]

47. This is what I'm am asking for

An actual reporter doing their actual job

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219060441

[JohnSJ]

2. They are not giving him a platform, they are exposing him. They did not just sit their at let him spew his bullshit,

they pushed back

Many people are not aware of Project 2025, and this shows just how dangerous they are and why ANYONE who is for women's rights, environmental rights, workers rights, etc. etc. etc. must vote DEMOCRATIC straight down they ticket, and failure to do so is against all the rights, including those who vote third party or don't vote.

NO EXCUSES

[angrychair]

5. There was no pushback there

No follow up. Nothing. It appeared she just moved on like they always do.

[Silent Type]

8. It was a 12 second clip, for all we know she punched him out later and Steele cheered her on.

[angrychair]

18. Here is the link

To the entire interview. The abortion question doesn't come until the very, very end and there is zero follow up or pushback and she thanks him for coming in.
There are three of them and none of them could ask a coherent question and none followed up on his BS with any force or effort. It was milquetoast at best.
I watch international news as well from England, France and Germany and the interview style of the average BBC reporter is better than likely every reporter in the business. American reporters are afraid to ask any difficult or complicated question.
Link to full interview:

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[Silent Type]

42. Thanks. She's all over the MFer and Steele is about to punch him out.

[Iris]

38. Punching him is not her job, Her job is to ask the follow up question

[Celerity]

34. Your Threads link is literally from the official Biden/Harris campaign. They are exposing the RW, not platforming them

in an advantageous manner. Same for MSNBC.

[gab13by13]

4. Aren't you also giving it a platform here?

[angrychair]

7. I'm pointing out

The media is screwing us again. I'm also doing it on a pro Democratic platform who I know already support human rights. I do not have reach nor am I a professional reporter on a large international media platform.

[Deuxcents]

9. I think it's important to expose what these extreme people are doing. They usually

Filibuster the segment but this round table discussion was better than some. Knowledge is power and it’s better to keep them in the light than to get blindsided too late. I admit that it was disturbing to watch and left me pissed and wondering how we’re gonna stop this madness that is running deep in their messaging.

[OAITW r.2.0]

11. Please, learn the difference between "giving a platform" and "exposing the lies".

Important to allow the other side to explain what they think. That makes it easier to broadcast the reality.

[angrychair]

31. Not when it's done poorly

Not one single hard question or follow up.
No one asked him to specify exactly how they plan to disband the Dept of Education and it's statutory authority to enforce certain civil rights laws.

When asked about abortion, he said "all abortion was murder". Exactly how did he determine that? What about a raped child? Are you going to force a raped 12 yr old to have her rapist's baby? What about ectopic pregnancies? What about still birth abortions?

They didn't ask anything like that.

I'm all for shining a light on these fascists but done poorly it only emboldens them.

[DJ Synikus Makisimus]

13. MSNBC exists to sell advertising space to businesses.

So do all other "traditional" corporate news platforms. If they feel they can expand the number of eyeballs from the target demographic(s) by broadcasting christofascist GOP propaganda, and it tests well in focus groups, they bloody well will. Christofascist GOP news platforms exist to spread christofascist GOP propaganda. And sell advertising space to businesses, often the same businesses that advertise on "traditional" corporate media. We need to stop pretending that they are there to "serve" us; they're there to "sell" us. Always have been. We need to stop pretending that a bias-free media can, or has ever existed. There's no such thing as objectivity.

If you're longing for Walter Cronkite, or even CNN Headline News, reporting of that sort has lost its place on cable and on the internet. Even the little four-minute blurb of news reports that used to happen at the beginning of an MSNBC hour have vanished. What you get now is wall-to-wall editorial comments. And yes, it sucks.

If you don't like what you see, exercise your right to use the "off" switch for as long as you can, until SCOTUS takes It away from you.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Sunlight is the best disinfectant

Did you think he was going to convert some MSNBC viewers into Trump voters?

[brooklynite]

15. Much better to ignore it?

Don't let the voters know?

[angrychair]

30. Better to say nothing

Than what I saw in that so-called interview.
Not a single person held him to account.
No one asked him under what Constitutional authority they would disband the Dept of Education or how that would hold up to legal challenges and SCOTUS challenges.

Not one asked him to explain the mechanics of how this forced deportation would work or was their plan to push 11 million people into Mexico, our largest trading partner and ally? Even people that aren't Mexican?
Who is going to do those jobs they are doing?

I can literally think of at least a dozen questions they should have asked but didn't and I'm sure people much smarter than me could think of even more.
I'm not against shining a light on what these assholes are doing but done poorly it only emboldens them.

[nolabear]

16. We need to know these things. We need to hear for ourselves.

It’s easy to lie and dodge and claim, but when they’re right there saying it out loud people can see.

[cliffside]

17. You missed the full segment, posted here on Saturday, they Exposed his crazy views ...

always look for the full interview instead of getting upset about several seconds, as many have noted.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219053529

[Hekate]

20. Thank you, cliffside

[cliffside]

21. And thank you :) although I hate to kick this. nt

[angrychair]

23. I watched the whole thing

And despite there being three reporters it was still a train wreck. The abortion question was at the very, very end and there was zero pushback. She basically said "I have a womb and disagree" and then thanked him for coming on and to come again.
He got to say all he wanted with no meaningful challenge to a single thing he said.

I also updated my OP with the while interview

[cliffside]

24. We'll disagree about whether or not there were challenges. People need to hear the crazy shit from him. nt

[angrychair]

28. I disagree

Hearing it without meaningful challenge and asking hard questions like
Question: "You want to forcefully deport 11 million people. How exactly do you do that? Under what legal authority do you force asylum seekers that have a legal right to seek asylum?

Question: You say "deport them back south of the border" that is a inherently racist and xenophobic statement since not all of them are from Mexico or even Central America. Is your plan to just force 11 million people into Mexico, our ally and largest trading partner along with Canada?

Question: you said you would disband the Dept of Education. That department was created by an act of Congress and has literally dozens of statutory requirements it is legally required to regulate and enforce through it's office of civil rights.Do you honestly think it would be upheld by SCOTUS?

Any one of us could write better questions than then babbled out.

[tulipsandroses]

27. I think her response was more condescending. His comment was ridiculous. Killing a baby 3 days after birth

Her response was something to the effect of That's not how any of this works, take it from someone that has a womb. I think it further exposed how ludicrous his statement was. People who don’t have a womb or lack understanding of how woman’s body works, how pregnancy and child birth work, should not be making rules about any of it.

[angrychair]

29. My OP has the link

To the full interview. The full interview is a complete train wreck. They didn't ask a single tough question and followed up on absolutely nothing.
He was, in every regard, allowed to spew his hate without challenge or serious scrutiny.

[Hekate]

19. "Platform"? He got plenty of pushback in the bit that I saw. Would you rather people didn't know he existed?

[angrychair]

25. Then we watched a different interview

Because that interview was a complete train wreck. Not a single one of the three reporters, yes I realize Micheal Steele is not a professional reporter by trade, but not one could string together A coherent retort or follow through.
Never nailed him down on forced deportation or the legal doctrine that makes that legal or how that would work in a material, real life way.
How do you determine a particular person is an undocumented person?
Never completed a coherent thought of his position of firing 10s of thousands of government employees, including disbanding the Dept of Education, nor asked him to show his work on how that would work legally.

I could literally write an entire article about how awful that interview was.

I am not against exposing these people but when it's not done properly it only emboldens them and gives them confidence in their position.

[czarjak]

22. Expose The Dopes

[tulipsandroses]

26. I don't think they were giving him a platform

My guess is that most people, have no idea what Project 2025 is. I think it’s good to expose them. Sometimes people need to be reminded about how horrible these people are. Hearing it directly from the horse’s mouth will have a bigger impact than reporting it.

[Model35mech]

35. It's essential. We must know the threat environment

understand their arguments, and use that to develop more effective counter arguments.

Dems are short on think-tanks. This site has many intelligent, creative people. It also has many people who are linked in to politics. It could be (imo should be) a message generating incubator of counter arguments.

Let's not trade in the kicking donkey for an ostrich with its head buried in the sand.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I.watched this real time

Menendez, Steele and Sanders pulled no punches.

We need this plan to.end Democracy on the tips of everyone's tongues. People need to know.

[elocs]

33. Clearly what is needed here is an officially approved list of DU media sources,

but I doubt even that would stop the continual whingeing on the subject here.

[Lancero]

36. A lot of people here are of the mind that the media is public enemy number 1.

Which is hilarious. Remember the days when we called Trump out when he claimed that the media was an enemy of the people?

[angrychair]

40. Not public enemy

Number 1 but the only group that wants TSF to be president more than him is the news media.
I mean come on, they have been openly and shamelessly attacked Biden on his age and cognitive abilities while, very literally, ignoring TSF that is only three years younger.
I mean the Biden administration has bent over backwards trying to keep the economy going and we have made huge gains but only political nerds know it. The average American has no idea a d it's not from a lack of trying to get the media to talk about it but they seem to all but refuse to do so.
People Europe know more about what Biden is doing here and with foreign relations than
The American news media is reporting here to our people.

[spanone]

37. They destroyed him. Made him look like the idiot he is.

[angrychair]

39. We watched very different

Interviews then. Not a single reporter held him to account.
No one asked him under what Constitutional authority they would disband the Dept of Education or how that would hold up to legal challenges.

Not one asked him to explain the mechanics of how this forced deportation would work or asked was their plan to push 11 million people into Mexico, our largest trading partner and ally? Even people that aren't Mexican.
No one asked who is going to do those jobs they are currently doing. Because we damn well know it's not white Americans.

I can literally think of at least a dozen questions they should have asked but didn't and I'm sure people much smarter than me could think of even more.
I'm not against shining a light on what these assholes are doing but done poorly it only emboldens these fascists.

[mcar]

41. The hosts wiped the floor with him

including refuting him with quotes from his own website. It showed exactly the way we need to handle these people.

[angrychair]

43. Have to disagree

Please see my post #39 above

[LiberalFighter]

44. You don't identify which segment on MSNBC

Rachel Maddow is not the same as Andrea Mitchell. Nicole Wallace is not the same as Katy Tur.

[angrychair]

45. As much as I like

Rachel and Lawrence and Reid and Hayes, even they are mediocre when it comes to asking tough questions and follow ups and holding guest accountable when they are face to face
Now to be fair, especially with that particular group, most Republicans would never go on Rachel's show or the rest for that matter.

I don't think it's too much to expect them to be prepared and actually do worthwhile interviews and hold these fascists accountable for their words and ask follow up questions and expect real answers, not their canned responses.

[LiberalFighter]

46. You still didn't identify which segment.

Lumping one person as MSNBC does not help improve the news or make those involved accountable. The focus should be on the individual.