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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy do so many "love" Rachel Maddow?
I can only speak for myself.
First, her research, her diligence, and her devotion to provable facts and absolute truth is unquestionable.
Her knowledge of human history, (political and otherwise), is vast and, no matter how complex, she makes it accessible to us all.
She speaks into that camera like she's sitting next to you and speaking to you alone.
Her humor is delightful, precious and perfectly timed, given the ugliness of what she often covers.
And, I think that to some small, or perhaps large way, she's making the world a better place with her show, her podcasts, her writings and her very presence among us.
Attilatheblond
(8,866 posts)and one of the best ever.
Cyrano
(15,388 posts)lindysalsagal
(22,903 posts)Deuxcents
(26,858 posts)Bachelors from Stanford n Doctorate from the university of Oxford so shes Dr. Rachel Maddow and highly respected and loved and Im one of the many who admire her.
soldierant
(9,352 posts)that's a credential in and of itself, IMO
BonnieJW
(3,122 posts)But she educates without being patronizing. Her attitude is, "I think you'll find this interesting..."
roscoeroscoe
(1,825 posts)The Ultra podcast and the lesser-known series she did about history rhyming/repeating itself were both superb. The new season of Ultra has started off well also.
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LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Then goes to commercial before she does.
We are used to it but dont really like it.
She gets really into "world building" before reporting the actual news. Which is fine; I'm sure it helps some people digest news easier. For me personally, though, I prefer when reporters get straight to the point, so I don't really watch her show unless something truly groundbreaking is happening. Different strokes for different folks, tho.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,596 posts)Sometimes it comes across as stretching because the show is running short.
Cyrano
(15,388 posts)Rachel's lead in puts the subject in context and teaches most people something they didn't know.
By skipping over her preamble to what she's covering, you're depriving yourself of a deeper insight of the topic she's covering.
ShazzieB
(22,568 posts)I always learn so much from her intros. Yes, not all of them are equally riveting, but there are always nuggets of information that are worth the listen.
Saying reporters should get right to the point is all well and good, but Rachel is not just a reporter. She's there to help us make sense of the news by explaining things at a deeper level, and she does a great job of that.
Maybe it's a matter of personal taste. If "get right to the point" reporting is what someone really wants, then she's likely not the best source for that. For those of us who enjoy peeling back the layers and taking a deep dive into not just the who, what, and when of a story, but the how and why, she's the best.
I am absolutely crazy about her myself, but I realize others may have different preferences. That's fine. Enjoy whatever it is you enjoy. Different strokes and all that.
forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)She's fascinated by the history and surrounding context of politics, and the format feels like a college lecture by an enthusiastic professor. I can understand why some don't like that.
vanlassie
(6,248 posts)like Walter Cronkite. Want news and weather on the hour? Its right there on your dial!
LisaM
(29,627 posts)She also repeats herself quite a bit. I stopped watching because she never seemed to land the plane.
Raven123
(7,788 posts)In other words, she says the same thing over and over. ☺️
Repetition helps some people, I understand, just not me. I guess it is a style preference.
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)But different strokes.
SarahD
(1,732 posts)Although her content is completely different, her method is the same. It goes back to something journalists used to learn. "Tell them what you're going to tell them. Tell them. Tell them what you just told them." Limbaugh used this method because he had to spend three hours delivering one, single point to his brain dead audience.
markodochartaigh
(5,543 posts)I found this three step approach great. But I added two steps. 1) Tell the student what you are going to teach them. 2) Teach them the material. 3) Have them teach you what they understood. 4) Teach them what you taught them. 5) Have them teach you the material a final time.
Obviously this only works with motivated students, but I found it effective.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)KPN
(17,368 posts)appreciate her talent, skill, knowledge and persona. But as my wife likes to say, she starts at the amoebas and builds painstakingly from there. And at our age, though we appreciate the context, we sometimes forget some of the context by the time she gets to the news.
Collimator
(2,116 posts)Oh, heck, that's waaay up the evolutionary ladder. At least she doesn't begin with amino acids combining to make complex proteins.
I used to work in customer service and I often joked about customers who were more interested in browbeating the reps trying to help them than in getting their problems solved. "Never mind beating a dead horse. That guy took things down to individual horse molecules!"
I tend to agree with those who acknowledge that Maddow isn't really reporting the news per se. She is lecturing on a topical subject. At the same time, she is part of a media industry that has to meet scheduling metrics which includes alotting time for advertising.
At least the content that Maddow creates informs and elevates instead of goading people into knee jerk emotional reactions that shuts off their critical thinking capabilities.
KPN
(17,368 posts)Rachel is indeed a great educator. I listened to her all the time when she was doing radio. I agree about her informing she is great at that. Thom Hartmanns another. I think they have more impact on those who havent been following things closely the past 40 or 50 years, and/or were relatively happy with status quo for much of that timeframe.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)for so long... like "big-book biographies" which explain every small point and decision involved in the making of sausage...
I'll say this, she may be more investigative reporter than news anchor,
because she does try to tell you EVERYTHING,
every little spec of dirt on the opposition.... and that is good of course.
soldierant
(9,352 posts)with her it doesn't bother me.
With Meidas Touch it does bother me intensely.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)With a headline that hardly ever matches the content.
ie: Marge Green humiliated
soldierant
(9,352 posts)I'm familiar with "Tell them what you're going to tell them, tell them, tell them what you told them," And that's good advice in general. Butit should not be taken to extremes. And a listener who knows this pattern should at any moment be aware which section the speaker is in.
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)Her podcasts are absolutely riveting. You should give them a listen. Ultra is like a horror movie that you cannot tear yourself from watching.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)... she acknowledged that she tells us her point 3 or 4 times. She says you have to when you are giving people new information.
NGeorgian
(134 posts)hlthe2b
(113,897 posts)projecting integrity and respect towards others...
She likewise does not ignore the imminent dangers our country and society face at the hands of Trumpists and extremist Republicans. And, that seems to drive her to report on the historical parallels .
Kaleva
(40,352 posts)Cyrano
(15,388 posts)Perhaps, someday, someone will discover a cure for ignorance and/or a lack of common sense.
Personally, I'll listen to a Rhodes Scholar over a snake oil salesman every time.
Kaleva
(40,352 posts)Cable subscribers are declining as people switch to streaming.
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)It was the only way I'd sign up for a streaming service --if I couldn't get Rachel, I didn't want their service.
Kaleva
(40,352 posts)Just a very small percentage of adults watch her show. It's in the very low single digits.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)1
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worked for many years
the many advantages of an education
hunter
(40,679 posts)Traditional television made Trump, traditional television must die.
Okay, that's a bit of hyperbole... or is it?
I only know Rachel from what I read here on DU. I probably wouldn't recognize her if we were talking face to face. I might tell her that advertising supported television corrupts everything it touches.
Wouldn't be the first faux-pas like that I've committed.
JohnnyRingo
(20,863 posts)...then applies it to a current event.
I like how it winds its way through the intro until we have a grasp on what is happening now.
BidenRocks
(3,245 posts)To steal a line from Paul Harvey,
When Rachel finishes, now you know the rest ..of the story.
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appmanga
(1,489 posts)If you just want someone to tell you something, watch the regular news. If you want depth and context, you watch Rachel. I think her "A" block is one of the best segments in media and it trusts her audience to be engaged and intelligent, and want to know what's behind the curtain. And oftentimes, it turns out what's back there isn't new, the difference is can we be willing and interested in doing something about it. She and Lawrence are the heirs of the kind of TV news Linda Ellerbee, Lloyd Dobbins, and Bill Schecter once did. And not to offend anyone, but news for thinking people ain't instant pudding.
Tree Lady
(13,279 posts)She is very smart, like Pete a few others that can take very complicated matters and break them down to bite size pieces so the rest of us can understand it.
Brainstormy
(2,540 posts)than the average bear.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)B.See
(8,447 posts)A real American hero.
mahina
(20,642 posts)that story in an original and impactful way.
CaptainTruth
(8,198 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,698 posts)She is a plus to have on our side.
I very much enjoy watching her show. The only gripe I have with her would be her interviewing skills. This may be just me, but sometimes I feel like she is too nice to some of the horrible people she is interviewing, but maybe disarming them is her goal.
Rhiannon12866
(255,272 posts)She did a great job with Liz Cheney and, more recently, Dr. Fauci, who it tuns out she admitted to opposing in the distant past.
DeeDeeNY
(3,953 posts)He would have her sub for him on his show occasionally and I think was basically responsible for introducing her to the public. That was about 20 years ago.
Deuxcents
(26,858 posts)Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)DeeDeeNY
(3,953 posts)There were a lot of good people on Air America and I enjoyed listening to them all - even RFK Jr, who cohosted the show Ring of Fire with Mike Papantonio and who made sense back then.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,596 posts)It was owned by Fred Eychaner. Franken was just one of the hosts along with several others like Maddow.
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,671 posts)researching the facts, historical or for the day, and delivering it with clear communication and interview skills in many forms of media: television, podcasts, books, documentaries. Her values are clear, and she conveys these in her approach to politics; she's bold, brave, compassionate, empathetic, ethical, and sometime humorous. In addition, she has always protected the privacy of her relationship(s), professional and personal. I can trust what she tells me!
malaise
(295,937 posts)Rec
madamesilverspurs
(16,509 posts)the number of fisherpersons I trust to tell the truth. She is one of them.
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Richluu
(155 posts)From her educated perspective she is teaching us what to do to save our democracy. She's educated, funny, and personal.
Bumbles
(439 posts)Like a fine wine, she's only gotten better. She's a national treasure. Maybe she'll bring back her cocktail "hour." She mixed spirits and history. What fun!
electric_blue68
(26,854 posts)John1956PA
(4,957 posts)Those two ladies were often humorous in their informative discussions of lesser reported items in the news.
senseandsensibility
(24,932 posts)so I see her as a hometown girl. Also, find her "accent" to be very familiar even though it's not really an accent. It just sounds like the people I grew up with.
calimary
(89,967 posts)Since then, gotta admit, Ive been nursing disappointment.
I would have given her a two-hour block on a Saturday or Sunday evening, early enough to run twice in a row. And long enough to cover anything she wanted to do, in depth. Hell, even a three-hour block Saturday evenings, to repeat on Sunday evening. Plus periodic prime time specials airing on a weeknight.
The Monday-only thing doesnt work (at least for me). Really chops up the prime time lineup for the week, and rather awkwardly so.
But thats just me.
Cyrano
(15,388 posts)The research and the depth of coverage it takes for her to do an hour is virtually unimaginable. She stopped doing five days because it was killing her.
I'm more than thankful for that one golden hour on Monday night.
calimary
(89,967 posts)She has whats very likely a large support staff that includes researchers, bookers, writers, producers, and segment producers. Some of the best in the business, Id guess. Not counting the publicists and promoters.
Id guess she has clusters of people, each group working on a different story or angle. And she can demand pretty much anything for her show, considering her stature at that network by now. She left the one-man-band thing long ago, as she certainly deserved to.
Shes paid seven figures by now because shes earned it, and shes certainly worth it. But sheesh - even Johnny Carson didnt work a one-day-per-week schedule - even toward the end of his tenure. I used to work at NBC, back in the day. The cavernous studios in Burbank had to have 40-50-foot ceilings (Im guessing) and the entire wall of his studio was covered by a HUGE black & white likeness of him that extended from floor to ceiling. EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE in that Burbank compound spoke of him in hushed tones. Cuz they all clearly understood that HE was the one pulling in the biggest numbers - of ratings, viewers, salary, and advertising dollars. He was King of Late Night, certainly King of NBC-Burbank, and he had a 30-year run. And the best big-name comedians and celebrities tried to dethrone him, to no avail. Joey Bishop, Dick Cavett, and more tried, and they all failed. He eventually started backing off after maybe 20 years or so, with a regular Monday night Best of Carson show in that late-night timeslot (which consisted of reruns of The Tonight Show). Rachel now gives us ONE night a week, after a ten-year run.
Im sorry. Maybe Im just spoiled. But in my opinion, Rachel Maddow is still young enough to give us at least a few more years of five-day weeks. I still wish she would. She closed down WAY too early. And the news these days is WAY too important to have to do without the brains and perspective of the networks highest-profile marquee news name for four out of the five weeknights.
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)I think she works pretty damn hard. I couldn't do it.
arthritisR_US
(7,810 posts)and any time shes on special coverage, Im there!
Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)She said she was getting burnt out--apparently it was a truly grinding schedule--and she was afraid if she didn't change it up, she wouldn't be able to do it much longer. She said she loves what she's doing now and thinks she'll be able to do it a really long time. She's producing some amazing work and I am so grateful to still have her on the TV airwaves, the podcasts, and her books. I'd love to see her on TV every night too. But she's human, after all. We can't just use her up and expect her to keep delivering political and historical insight at the pace we've been spoiled to.
NGeorgian
(134 posts)!
TexasBushwhacker
(21,199 posts)and she takes her time doing it. I'm okay with that, but I know some people are less patient.
Srkdqltr
(9,745 posts)Makes her show fresher.
chowder66
(12,228 posts)I appreciate what she is doing and how she does it. There have been times I have been distracted and luckily she comes back around and I pick up a part I missed.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)That being said, out of the TV/ radio political opinionators that exist, she is among the most substantial and profound of the lot.
bluboid
(845 posts)PortTack
(35,820 posts)Music Man
(1,664 posts)She's intelligent. She came into her position as an academic and not as a talking head.
I also appreciate the research and writing she's done outside her show, such as her book "Prequel" about anti-Fascist efforts in America during the '30s and '40s.
Joinfortmill
(21,120 posts)CTyankee
(68,179 posts)BComplex
(9,910 posts)She pretty much blows me away every time. I love her.
louis-t
(24,614 posts)She is brilliant.
moniss
(9,045 posts)critique glaring failures by her or her staff during one story in particular. The Flint Water Disaster. Through all the many shows covering the problem and the politicians involved there was no mention or attempt to name and hold accountable the engineering professionals who signed off on the water source plans. They were licensed Professional Engineers who are required in matters like this to conduct various evaluations and testing and by their signatures to certify the results as being safe and consistent with public health in order to proceed with the plans. Absent those signatures from those licensed engineers the project, by law, does not move forward.
While it was vital to try and hold the leaders accountable not doing the same for these engineers is inexcusable. The leaders could not have proceeded without them. But this does happen sometimes unfortunately when media shows deal with stories that have science and engineering personnel failing in their profession. The show producers should have contacted a senior engineer with a background in public water systems and had that person walk them through the project process for such a change. That would include a basic description of the testing/evaluation/approval process. There was more than ample time over the years to do so.
Maddow is better than most in dealing with most stories and I can issue knowledgeable critique so the producers, Rachel and the show can do better on matters like this.
MichMan
(17,131 posts)moniss
(9,045 posts)that for decades we've known about the lead problem, the immense damage it causes etc. and we knew how much it cost to fix it but our governments have only ever, until recently, provided more than a fraction of the funding needed. Always tons of money for Elon Musk, military contractors, oil company subsidies etc. but just a cry of "too costly/no money available" when it comes to this, hunger, homelessness, healthcare, education etc.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,598 posts)several times at the graduate school where my wife works, so I had the chance to meet her. She is of course just as charming and authentic in person as she appears on MSNBC.
We are all so lucky to have someone that insightful and passionate dissecting the news of the week for us. With us.
So, sure, I can say I love our national treasure Dr Maddow.
I hope she keeps on making sense of our nutty politics
for a long time.
Torchlight
(6,792 posts)But she presented enough context and relevant background about the subject that I didn't think I was floundering and looking for inferences to latch onto.
With the amount of over-the-air viewers she brings in, I can only imagine the trickle-down from that; Youtube clips, podcasts, etc. Heck, there are so many people I know who don't give a flip about politics at all, yet knows exactly who she is. I have to presume she has a much greater influence than a mere cable news-program, and giggle at the aggresive attempts to minimize it.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I just dont feel the need to watch opinion shows which offer someones perspective on news stories I-already know about.
I watch one hour of cable news each morning to catch up on the headlines. Thats it
Evolve Dammit
(21,766 posts)DooverBeliever
(23 posts)Besides being a brainiac, she is such a fantastic story teller. She can tell a history story like no other! Yup, I'd marry her, if I wasn't straight!
Arne
(3,609 posts)Hillary Clinton could have done as president.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)I've been to funeral services that were more uplifting than some of her recent discussions. And yes, I know we're fucked in any number of ways, by any number of evil forces---but how about more of an emphasis on pulling ourselves out of this swamp? As intelligent and well-spoken as Rachel is, that's not too much to ask.
Commence firing...
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,648 posts)Faux pas
(16,346 posts)my very own personal history professor and I LOVE 💘 her.
DFW
(60,166 posts)We dont get American TV here, but I met her and her parents one time at the Provincetown Airport. My family and I had been talking to her parents, who had not given a hint wjo they were. Outside the entrance to the terminal, I saw a very tall woman with dark short hair and big black glasses approaching. I thought to myself, she must think shes Rachel Maddow.
Well, she had good reason to think that, since it WAS Rachel Maddow, coming to see her parents off. She just joined us, stuck out her hand and said, hi, Im Rachel.
iluvtennis
(21,496 posts)Martin68
(27,702 posts)Jack-o-Lantern
(1,020 posts)The flyover states are a vast wasteland of political ignorance thanks to a thousand or more rural right-wing talk hate radio blaring at them 24/7.
If only broadcasters the likes of Rachal had been available to that segment of society over the years I think the country wouldnt be on the brink of destruction the way it is now.
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)I didn't care for her when she did her Air America radio show back in the day. And she spent the better part of her last show trashing Bill Clinton. But she grew on me on MSNBC. She'll always be the smartest person in the room.
Liberal In Texas
(16,262 posts)She was on with Liz Winstead. I like Liz and all that, but Rachel has an almost eerie natural talent for making herself interesting. She overshadowed Liz back then. I couldn't say I knew she was going to be great, but I'll just say I really like listening to her above almost all the other Air America talent.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,458 posts)Aside being impressed that she read it, I was thinking earlier that she reminds me much of Dan Rather, not just a reporter but a natural story teller. I never watched her much on TV, (I don't watch TV news,) but I really appreciate her work on this wonderful book.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,108 posts)greblach
(294 posts)My only quibble is her melodic tone and tempo tend to put me to sleep while watching, to the annoyance of my wife...The content of course is fantastic...and her podcasts majestic...
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...clicked it ready to FIGHT!
Jimvanhise
(592 posts)She had a falling out with Keith Olbermann she won't talk about but 2 years ago when he was in talks with MSNBC to do a new show, Rachel went to the head of NBC and demanded that they not hire him. Keith has openly talked about that. He also mentioned that few years before when he was fired by MSNBC over political donations it happened the night Rachel was on Bill Mahrer live and when Bill asked her point blank what had happened she denied any knowledge of it but Keith said she was lying. Interestingly I don't think she has been on Bill's show since because he would confront her about that. So she is not all that she seems to be.
electric_blue68
(26,854 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,215 posts)Your Subject line left me predisposed for a rebuttal, but....you got me.
Crunchy Frog
(28,275 posts)I remember watching her the 1st time she guest hosted Keith Olbermann's show.
She's amazing.
John1956PA
(4,957 posts)Trueblue Texan
(4,456 posts)Her depth of knowledge, her ability to present her research to all of us in an accessible way, and to connect it to present day events is deeply educational, allowing us to integrate the information into our own experience and knowledge to become more effective communicators and protectors of democracy ourselves. I went to see her on the 13th and she packed the house in Houston, TX of all places. I wanted to upload pictures but I didn't know how.
riversedge
(80,767 posts)gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)that paints with words.
Botany
(77,293 posts)End of story.
Prairie_Seagull
(4,681 posts)builds a story with the ingredients first, mixing to a thick batter and baking to the eventual cake.
Rather you like the batter or the end product. There is something for everyone.
IMO
Ilsa
(64,354 posts)in her ego. She's confident. I respect her so much for all of the reasons listed in this thread.
Cherokee100
(454 posts)I started listening to her on Air America, some 20 years ago, while I lived in Texas. She was a breath of truth, in that red soaked environment.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)Cyrano
(15,388 posts)makes clear how Nazis were a large, well financed movement in America until WWII started.
I've currently been listening to her podcast, "Ultra, Season 2," which is informing us that, even post WWII, the Nazi movement is still alive in America. They may go by many different names, but they are a disease that never goes away.
If you miss Rachel's five-night-a-week TV show, try the other mediums through which she reaches and educates us.
If you are not computer or smart phone savvy, ask a friend, neighbor, or people at your smart phone store how to receive podcasts. Or, you can download the Spotify app to your computer (it's free) and then just follow the prompts.
I'm sure that the powers that be in the Republican world hate Rachel with a passion. Through TV, books, podcasts, and public appearances, she tells Americans the truths that the American "Fascists in Waiting" don't want you to know.
Yes. She is truly a national treasure.
And one more thing. She has her own website which is always worth visiting: maddowblog.com
spanone
(141,557 posts)pwb
(12,645 posts)She is better than the rest but I hardly love a stranger on a t v screen. Respect and admire yes, but love I am more choosy with that.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,290 posts)During her opening block she takes us on a journey from how some event in the past has resulted in current circumstances. Her emphasis on context is laudable in an age of "crisis of the day" news.
I feel like I am being talked to as an adult who is being included in the conversation and not being treated as a student by a dismissive professor who jealously guards his information and doles it out in a way to impress and control his class.
She loves to go trout fishing on her days off.
I learn almost as much from her conversations with Lawrence O'Donnell as I do from the rest of her show.
She always exudes a child-like wonder, 'I can't believe they're paying me to do this." (Note: They pay her a lot!)
She is a human being. At the very end of one show she was handed a story about T***p separating children from their parents at the border. News of the event overwhelmed her emotionally, and she asked Lawrence to report the story on his show as she hurriedly closed her own.
That's why I like Rachel Maddow.