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Nate Silver gives Trump a 65% chance of winning.,.. (Original Post) DemocratInPa Jun 2024 OP
I presume because the polls are all over the place OnDoutside Jun 2024 #1
Looking at the polls... WarGamer Jun 2024 #13
lol. Nt BootinUp Jun 2024 #19
Should we give up? Kingofalldems Jun 2024 #22
I won't... WarGamer Jun 2024 #25
Should we ignore this? edhopper Jun 2024 #49
We should work harder. Mariana Jun 2024 #53
Nate goes down the false equivalency path now... FarPoint Jun 2024 #57
Poor Nate. He's a great guy and good at averaging polls. BUT bullimiami Jun 2024 #2
Counterpoint: he's a garbage guy Prairie Gates Jun 2024 #21
Right, and used to be better, as I recall. elleng Jun 2024 #54
2916 When I see the name Nate Silver I'm not impressed anymore. Cha Jun 2024 #3
Yet he lost by 7 million popular vote and barely lost in a few key states Tribetime Jun 2024 #42
538 has it tied Abnredleg Jun 2024 #4
Yes Biden had a nice lead after State of the Union Tribetime Jun 2024 #44
Thanks elleng Jun 2024 #55
You trying to cheer us up with this? pwb Jun 2024 #5
Vlad, is that you? This is pure propaganda. onecaliberal Jun 2024 #6
"Anybody else not fretting over polls?" Torchlight Jun 2024 #7
He basically assumes Kennedy only draws from Trump Johonny Jun 2024 #8
Who gives a shit what Nate silver says JT45242 Jun 2024 #9
Patience, grasshopper. Nt BootinUp Jun 2024 #10
we are divided and his side is united and ready ecstatic Jun 2024 #11
Nates an idiot - 538 even fired him getagrip_already Jun 2024 #12
Yes. He includes ALL polls in his averages. GoCubsGo Jun 2024 #15
But this isn't a polling average-- more like his personal betting odds. DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #18
That's what got him fired from 538 Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #26
This isn't any polling average, but a "percentage chance of winning" prediction--- DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #17
Does this include fly by night GOP operative propaganda polls? Michigan high schooler polls? themaguffin Jun 2024 #14
That's not as big of a chance as he gave Hillary, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #16
And more----Bad Things About Democrats! Kingofalldems Jun 2024 #20
He is soooo wrong DEM1955 Jun 2024 #23
Welcome to DU, DEM1955! calimary Jun 2024 #28
Has Been says what? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #24
The numbers show Biden getting fucked the way Hillary did. calimary Jun 2024 #27
Here's Nate's prediction for Election Day 2016: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #29
He was one of the few who gave Trump any chance at all in 2016 TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #35
The Los Angeles Times nailed it. Celerity Jun 2024 #37
Good call TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #40
Yes he did. Mariana Jun 2024 #50
I don't put any stock in his forecast LiberalFighter Jun 2024 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Idaho Jun 2024 #31
The Economist "Predictive" model had trump favored 2 out of 3 odds several weeks ago. Now, it's 3 out of 4. Silent Type Jun 2024 #32
I hope the debate has a good impact in Biden's direction. Doodley Jun 2024 #33
I'd say closer to 50/50 but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump won TexasDem69 Jun 2024 #34
It. Is. June. tavernier Jun 2024 #36
Early voting starts in some States in 85 days. Celerity Jun 2024 #38
And we desperately care about them wanting to care like we do tavernier Jun 2024 #43
I am not desperate in regards to any facet of my life, politics included. Celerity Jun 2024 #45
That's way too early Polybius Jun 2024 #58
An EC win for Dump and popular vote win for Biden would be the end of the republic. roamer65 Jun 2024 #39
Nate has an agenda...and the polls have been up for Biden lately. I predict Joe Biden wins easily in November. Demsrule86 Jun 2024 #41
No Sibelius Fan Jun 2024 #46
Fuck Nate. He's not all that accurate. marble falls Jun 2024 #47
Donate Aepps22 Jun 2024 #48
And Nate flames out with this phantasmical projection. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2024 #51
Who wins, Silver or Lichtman??? elleng Jun 2024 #52
We'll find out in August Polybius Jun 2024 #59
The "shit committee" which I"m a member of doesn't give a "SHIT' about "Nate Silver." Stuart G Jun 2024 #56
There is no way Kennedy will get 8% Diraven Jun 2024 #60

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
1. I presume because the polls are all over the place
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jun 2024

he's aggregating them, and coming up with this number. I think it best to ignore it until September.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
25. I won't...
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
Jun 2024

I'll keep contributing and voting.

If you're considering "giving up", I'd say don't... just vote. It's all we CAN do.

FarPoint

(14,765 posts)
57. Nate goes down the false equivalency path now...
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 11:29 PM
Jun 2024

I'm so sick of the media and pundit manipulation....

Vote Blue because your life depends on it!.

Cha

(319,077 posts)
3. 2916 When I see the name Nate Silver I'm not impressed anymore.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:15 PM
Jun 2024


I hope he's Wrong again this year

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
7. "Anybody else not fretting over polls?"
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:24 PM
Jun 2024

"Polls is not getting watches. I can't stand that ...at all. Nothing about it and will not listen to the BS and lies. I will grab the highlights on here and X after. Anyone else with me?"

Context and priorities. Context and priorities can appear weak when faced with the vagaries of less than one week of poiltics.

Johonny

(26,178 posts)
8. He basically assumes Kennedy only draws from Trump
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:25 PM
Jun 2024

Which would appear odd based on who is voting for him.



JT45242

(4,043 posts)
9. Who gives a shit what Nate silver says
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:40 PM
Jun 2024

A couple more crazy rulings by the SCOTUS and even more people will realize that the entire rethugs party has to go.

The video I saw of the grandma saying if you aren't a straight white male they are coming for you us so true. There aren't enough of those for the convicted felon to win .

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
11. we are divided and his side is united and ready
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:42 PM
Jun 2024

to break the law on trump's behalf. They are radicalized and ready to cheat, lie, and steal.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
12. Nates an idiot - 538 even fired him
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 07:59 PM
Jun 2024

All he can do is average other people's bad work.

Averaging garbage doesn't give you an accurate prediction.

Might as well ask Alina haba.

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
15. Yes. He includes ALL polls in his averages.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:06 PM
Jun 2024

Including all of the myriad of garbage polls the Republicans put out, which skew it big-time.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
18. But this isn't a polling average-- more like his personal betting odds.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:14 PM
Jun 2024

More prophecy than science.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
26. That's what got him fired from 538
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jun 2024

His unwillingness to exclude bad polls that were clearly conducted for the purpose of manipulating the averages.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
17. This isn't any polling average, but a "percentage chance of winning" prediction---
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:13 PM
Jun 2024

in other words, something he pulled out of his ass....

calimary

(90,021 posts)
28. Welcome to DU, DEM1955!
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:51 PM
Jun 2024

I hope you're right.

But we have to keep working to make it so. We have to keep working as though our COUNTRY depended on it. Because it does.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
27. The numbers show Biden getting fucked the way Hillary did.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 08:49 PM
Jun 2024

Biden's expected to win the popular vote (like she did in 2016) but lose the damned Electoral College. At least according to this forecast.

How soon can we finally DO AWAY WITH the damned Electoral College???????????

Celerity

(54,409 posts)
37. The Los Angeles Times nailed it.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:24 PM
Jun 2024
The USC/L.A. Times poll saw what other surveys missed: A wave of Trump support

Here’s how the USC/Los Angeles Times Daybreak tracking poll is different from the others.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-latimes-poll-20161108-story.html

Reporting from Washington —

For most of the last four months, the USC/L.A. Times Daybreak tracking poll has been the great outlier of the 2016 campaign -- consistently showing a better result for Donald Trump than other surveys did. In light of Tuesday’s election returns, the poll now looks like the only major survey to see the wave coming.

Most of the summer and fall, the poll’s results have been about 6 percentage points more favorable to the Republican than the polling averages. As of Tuesday morning, the poll’s final forecast for the election showed Trump leading by a little over 3 points, 46.8% to 43.6%.

The poll’s findings caused dismay — even outrage — among some readers, especially Democrats, who have denounced it and often criticized The Times for running it.

But just as four years ago the poll was one of the few that did not underestimate President Obama’s support, it seems as though it may have been on its own in not underestimating Trump’s.

snip
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
40. Good call
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:29 PM
Jun 2024

Anyone seen any polling from the Times on the current status of the Biden//Trump race?

Mariana

(15,626 posts)
50. Yes he did.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 11:08 PM
Jun 2024

I don't know why so many people go on as if they think 71.4% actually means 100%.

Response to DemocratInPa (Original post)

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
32. The Economist "Predictive" model had trump favored 2 out of 3 odds several weeks ago. Now, it's 3 out of 4.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:07 PM
Jun 2024

https://www.economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/prediction-model/president

This is for Electoral College, not popular vote. Hope tomorrow helps.
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
34. I'd say closer to 50/50 but it wouldn't surprise me if Trump won
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:10 PM
Jun 2024

Of the swing states Trump lost in 2020 he’s going to win at least Georgia and probably Arizona. That puts Trump at 262 electoral college votes. I’m feeling pretty good about PA, MI and WI for Biden and if he wins those plus the one vote in Nebraska then Biden is reelected. But anyone who thinks Trump doesn’t have a real chance hasn’t been paying attention for the past 8 years.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
43. And we desperately care about them wanting to care like we do
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:44 PM
Jun 2024

Right Now!!! But they don’t and they won’t until they finish their summer vacations, school shop for the kids, and settle in for fall adult time. Trust Joe with the message, trust Trump to screw up everything he touches, be patient. Think and speak good thoughts.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
39. An EC win for Dump and popular vote win for Biden would be the end of the republic.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:27 PM
Jun 2024

Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2024, 11:10 PM - Edit history (1)

We cannot endure another one.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
41. Nate has an agenda...and the polls have been up for Biden lately. I predict Joe Biden wins easily in November.
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 09:39 PM
Jun 2024

Nate Silver idea of Biden leaving ticket is 'ridiculous'

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It's time for the White House to put up or shut up

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If Biden can't run a normal campaign, he should step aside
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New York Post
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Jun 10, 2024 — Pollster Nate Silver warned Monday that President Biden's approval ratings are so low that it may be time for him to reconsider seeking ...

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If he truly and honestly cared about the USA he definitely would. Just like Ruth bader ...

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Aepps22

(383 posts)
48. Donate
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 10:46 PM
Jun 2024

These models are just that, models. We have to donate and GOTV. Anything less won't work

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
60. There is no way Kennedy will get 8%
Thu Jun 27, 2024, 01:13 AM
Jun 2024

Third parties typically do much worse during actual elections than what the polling predicts.

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