MSNBC Analysis Shifting Quickly

[DarthDem]

They started out with the usual DID nonsense, but now the mood is shifting and they're starting to realize that Trump lying and refusing to answer any questions was completely ineffective. Verrrrrry palpable shift in tone and mood.

[Drum]

1. Bookmarking

I just heard them talk about convention ballot numbers, and breaking to Gavin Newsome.

[House of Roberts]

2. What is 'DID nonsense'?

[emulatorloo]

10. 'Democrats in Disarray' nonsense

[House of Roberts]

17. Thanks.

That acronym had escaped me up until now.

[PatSeg]

37. Me too

I had no idea or should I say, IHNI?

[Bucky]

42. There's no way I could've figured out that acronym

TNWICFOTA

Friendly reminder: we're here to communicate with each other 🫂

[DemocraticPatriot]

52. ASMFAWNOKWIM

Another stupid mother-fucking acronym which no one knows what it means!


SPELL IT OUT, LAZY POSTERS!!!!

[Shermann]

70. IKR? nt

[DemocraticPatriot]

72. Now I can't remember what I was saying, lmao

[machoneman]

74. UPETNT, OK?

[calimary]

78. Why do we have to do this "initials thing" all the time?

I know it’s just achingly difficult to WRITE IT OUT so you get actual words instead of codespeak. But it’s just HUGELY ANNOYING!!!

Indeed, WHAT is “DID nonsense”? What is the “DID” part? “Death In Dirtbags”? “Do I Debate”? “Dress In Drag”?

[Mossfern]

80. I thought it meant

Dissociative Identity Disorder...
That's a real acronym.

[GreenWave]

82. Donald is dead?

[rubbersole]

3. Newsom on now.

The media will pester him for days. The narrative will shift back in a week.

[emulatorloo]

7. He's right. Watching now.

[tfj7c]

4. I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened. -- Mark Twain

Didn't watch. I can't stand listening to tRUMP speak.

[AZ8theist]

27. I'm with you....

I CANNOT stand that treasonous pigs voice and the PATHOLOGICAL LYING.

His mouth is a pigs anus with similar shit being squeezed out....

*



* My apologies to anyone who threw up in their mouth a little after seeing this image.

[PatSeg]

38. That mouth!

I have never seen an actual mouth like that.

[SoFlaBro]

67. That stupid fucking Orange Bastard's mouth does look just like a motherfucking hog pizzle.

[ImNotGod]

41. I watched I just muted every time dipshit spoke for the very reason you mentioned. nt

[wendyb-NC]

53. I love that, Mark Twain, quote

Very good, thank you.

[NJCher]

56. OK, I'm going to end my evening of reading posts

on this one, which gave me a big laugh!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

69. Even aside from the nonsensical BS he spews,

his manner of speaking skeeves me out!

[eppur_se_muova]

75. 'Some of your hurts you have cured, and the sharpest you've even survived. But what torments of grief ...'

"'Some of your hurts you have cured, and the sharpest you've even survived. But what torments of grief you've endured from evils which never arrived." Ralph Waldo Emerson

[emulatorloo]

5. Good summary. Btw Gavin Newsome on now MSNBC in spin room, doing an excellent job.

[Cha]

19. TY for that, emulatorloo.. you know

I've been looking for anything Positive!

[agingdem]

6. Someone should remind them

if this was a Trump rally they would have cut him off after the first five minutes

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. Exactly!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. As usual, MSNBC right on the mark... unlike CNN.

[oasis]

11. Gavin Newsom interview. He says any talk

of replacing Biden is “unhelpful”.

[emulatorloo]

13. "Anytime you say 'I did not have sex with a porn star' on a debate stage, you're losing not winning."

[Cha]

20. Oh Good to know, oasis.. I shall pass

that ON!

[oasis]

25. Kamala on now. I'll give you the rundown

after she’s done.

[Cha]

26. TY.. I just saw an OP that she is!

[oasis]

34. She listed President Joe's many accomplishments

which benefited the American people. Kamala was clear and spoke with conviction.
She only lightly touched on President Joe’s debate performance.

[Cha]

35. Great that they got her on

there right after the debate! so grateful..

Thank you so much for this, oasis!

[bamagal62]

57. Yes. Viewers

And voters need to see more of her.

[Cha]

59. so Agree! TY

[wnylib]

55. I've heard and read some reports on viewer reactions.

Trump got high negatives for his lies and personal attacks. So, in spite of Biden not having the strong performance than we hoped for, it looks like Biden exposed Trump for what he is.

[Cha]

58. LOl.. Go Figure! TY!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Chris D. Jackson @ChrisDJackson 5m
BREAKING: 50% of CNN's own focus group of undecided voters in Michigan just said President Biden won the debate.

[Ursus Rex]

12. lol they're playing to their audience

The debate was a terrible spectacle but most likely won’t move the needle in most or even any demographics. Give the man a couple days’ of Zicam and he’ll be fine. It’s done and now we all know where things stand.

[Joe Cool]

14. I said this in earlier posts.

Trump is wind-up doll who can only spout a few things. He has no range. And who brags about taking tests designed for the cognitively impaired?

[yorkster]

15. Glad to hear it. Was not happy with what

most of the panel had to say, Nicolle especially. Lawrence brought things back where they should be - truth vs. lies.
As someone said earlier a lie is a lie no matter how loudly and confidently it is "trumpeted."

[PuraVidaDreamin]

16. His narcissistic lying ways were clearly evident

He doesn't dance around the truth- he bulldozers it.
It is quite an amazing talent- It leaves me agape too.
Then the projection- "I didn't want to run, but how (Joe)
is running the country, I knew I had too" When we know that he
threw his hat in the ring at lightening speed to avoid prosecution for his criminal
Jan 6 actions.

Keeping track of all the lies because there were so many- that
numbered in the thousands is so exhaustingly hard it would
make my head spin in real time -

[emulatorloo]

18. Yeah absolutely true. Appreciated Chris Hayes bring that up.

He noted voters remember that about Trump, and they don’t like it.

[tfj7c]

22. Lies and projection

He stole Biden's 2020 line. Didn't Joe say HE had to run for the presidency because of the way tRump was running the country? The twisting and spewing of garbage is amazing and sad.

[cilla4progress]

51. Yep.

Toxic. Like the demon. Sulfurous.

[ecstatic]

21. We're quickly transitioning through the 5 stages. I'm shifting in real time too

A couple of speakers have calmed me down. Especially Gavin Newsom. I don't think there's anything sinister behind it.

[ananda]

24. me too

This is making me feel much better.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Yes we are. The next couple of days will sort it out.

In which direction, I don't know.

[Buns_of_Fire]

50. Yep. I remember well the words of a future senator named John Blutarsky:

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

[B.See]

23. Of NO surprise was how he again DUCKED the question on accepting the election results

THREE times, before his usual bullshit qualifier-answer in which he again implied that any LOSS by him wouldn't be a "fair" election.

He also dodged questions regarding the INSURRECTION and attempted coup HE inspired, by referring to some "they" in Oregon protests.

Who is this "THEY"? Uhhhh... don't tell me... let me guess.

[flashman13]

28. And utter nonsense.

[Playingmantis]

30. My take

From years in the advertising field I can confidently state that the sizzle is more important than the steak..The Trump steak was rotten but Biden's had NO sizzle..

I said the same thing years ago when Obama debated Romney for the first time. I was panned for saying that but it turned out to be true.. The Obama team realized that and in the second debate Obama did much better..and won

Biden seemed weak and was unable to formulate clear and cutting responses to Trump. He misspoke several times and had to correct himself. He confirmed the RW talking points about his age..

Most notable for me was how he failed to really stick it to Trump over the issue of immigration when to topic came up the first time..

He should have hammered home the idea that there was a bill on the table but Trump killed it..Biden needed to make that point again and again and again..every time Trump mentioned immigration and he should have gone into great detail about exactly what the bill would have done and Trumps role in killing it for political purposes. Not just once but over and over and over again

The same thing can be said about other issues as well.

Biden seemed tired and without energy..Trump lied and distorted but how many will know that?

Over and over polls are saying the race is close.. This election should be a Democratic blow out but its not..

We need to stop denying the reality...

I now agree.. we need a new candidate ..someone filled with energy and youth..Gavin Newsom comes to mind...Youthful, charismatic and without the baggage of Biden..Someone who can excite the voters and stick it to Trump on so many fronts.

i am sure many dont want to hear this but our nation depends on winning this next election and crushing the MAGA movement big time..

[judesedit]

39. Kamala is there for that. I have complete confidence in her

Biden's done wonders with what he was handed. We need him for as long as he's up for it. So he had a slow night. How quickly we turn on each other.

[PortTack]

43. I don't give a rats what your job was!! A man has one bad debate and you're calling for a new candidate??

If you’re so good at your job, you would know then that your post and others saying similar will show up on the far right web sites and they will broadcast it far and wide!! Think that does us any good??

Get on the democratic wagon ..or get off!!

[quakerboy]

47. How often does a bad job interview lead to an offer of employment?

[W_HAMILTON]

61. It does when the only alternative is...

... hiring a convicted felon found liable for sexual assault who you had previously fired for their worst-ever performance on the job.

Glad to answer your question!

[PortTack]

68. Look at past debates, your analogy is flawed

[SocialDemocrat61]

73. I can think of 6 cases

They’re all on the Supreme Court.

[DemocracyWorks]

44. Probably one the worst takes I have seen online

But whatever floats your boat.

[wnylib]

60. Bullshit about needing a new candidate.

Biden did not perform at his best tonight, for sure. But he has proven himself capable as president. He can bounce back from this.

[radius777]

62. Agree. Polls show that age is one of the biggest

concerns that voters have of both candidates.

If we were to put up a younger candidate voters would become more enthusiastic and we probably would win easily.

[stollen]

64. Then vote for fascism

A president's age or fascism are the two choices.

[Hope22]

31. My guess is someone tuned into Olbermann

And they were shown the light.

[pfitz59]

32. They better fact check the shit out of him.

And call out his evasiveness and shiftiness. They should also hammer Tapper and Bash for being shitty moderators.

[judesedit]

36. Even not feeling 100%, Biden did a good job. Way better than that liar.

imho

[PortTack]

40. Thx for sharing! I figured it would go this way! If nothing else, I'm sure it helped president Biden's donations!

That will be a good indicator…maybe the best!

So..donate if you can!!

[PatrickforB]

49. I did. Gave Biden campaign $20. n/t

[Ford_Prefect]

45. It seemed to me they had decided Joe was the loser before the broadcast ended, saw an energetic Donald win, rather than

the felonious liar he really was. Image over substance once again. They failed to note he spoke in the usual sound bite word salad, and refused to answer several questions, especially about Jan. 6th.

I'm disappointed by their shallow judgment though I am not particularly surprised by it. For a relatively informed bunch of hair-do's they can appear to be as blind as the phone zombies.

[DENVERPOPS]

46. I love that

everyone that watches Rachel Maddow and limited others on MSNBC, seems to think that MSNBC is to be believed on everything they broadcast 24/7.......They know that and capitalize on that with their normal broadcasts, the are right wing, or leaning right wing......

[stollen]

65. MSNBC was terrible tonight

It was my first time to turn them off.

[PatrickforB]

48. Gaving Newsom was really good as well. He is a powerful surrogate. n/t

[Dem4life1234]

54. Dems pundits should stay on code

Dems need to learn to stay on code. Could you imagine a Rethug pundit attacking Chump?

[stollen]

63. I shut off MSNBC immediately

I happened upon another site, similar to this, that was spot on in observations. Those folks should have been in the MSNBC chairs. The comments blasted the Trump lies "that would take a week to sort through." Ruth Ben-Ghiat was also shocked that Trump's lies were able to be displayed with equal merit alongside the truth...standard fascism.

[Shermann]

71. Biden seemed to catch most of his own errors

As far as gaffes go, those are nothingburgers. But there were a number of those, and the nothingburgers can sort of add up.

[eppur_se_muova]

76. I think Lawrence had the best response last night ... calm down, people. It's only a debate.

Viewership was low, and consisted mostly of political junkies, who already know how they're voting. Independent and undecided (SRSLY? WTF?) voters won't hear about any of it for months to come, when both sides will have spun it into their own narratives and counter-narratives.

[bucolic_frolic]

79. Which candidate appears more humble and Christian this morning?

The man with policies that help the people or the consummate liar?

Joe has Trump right where they want him. In October this great Democratic Party will put on a sprint that would leave Lucky Strike in the dust.

[JohnSJ]

81. My view is that Lawrence O'Donnell might have been the motivating force behind that, with his experience

and insight.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1321&pid=23622

It is quite embarrassing to see this mob mentality without any idea how it would happen and who would be the "replacement", which they couldn't even agree on based on some of the comments expressed here and elsewhere.

Brings back echos of what happened to Al Franken.

[valleyrogue]

83. Perhaps more than a few saw Keith Olbermann's podcast

where he dissected Trump's lies and CNN's outrageous lack of fact checking and follow-up point by point.

Olbermann's take was devastating.

[niyad]

84. I saw it. KO was righteously pissed at cnn, at TRAITOR**, he was,

as usual, on fire!