Methinks Gavin Newsome is auditioning for "Candidate in Case Joe Biden Withdraws from the Race." Just seems odd that

[LaMouffette]

Alex Wagner is spending so much time interviewing him.

[Renew Deal]

1. I think he could win.

[shrike3]

73. If the election were held today, Trump would beat Newsom, according to what I've read.

Though not by much. It could be turned around with more time, I think, but we don't have time.

[ZonkerHarris]

2. He wants to be the candidate in '28

[MorbidButterflyTat]

56. Has he said so?

Or just speculation?

[Bucky]

80. You'd have to be blind to miss it

[LiberalFighter]

3. It was not my take

[brooklynite]

4. Gavin Newson didn't just show up...

He was sent out by the Biden campaign.

[standingtall]

10. Biden needs more surrogates like Newsome

This is what you do after a bad night.

[spooky3]

55. And he's been a great surrogate for months.

Remember when he debated DeSantis?

[BootinUp]

5. Are you just throwing spitballs or do you know something

that no one else knows.

[TheProle]

8. Such speculation has been occurring for a year

[BootinUp]

12. I realize that. I am trying to be polite. lol.

[LaMouffette]

21. Just spitballs. Tired spitballs. This debate night knocked the stuffing out of me. I think I should've thought before I

posted because I do like Gavin Newsome a lot and I do know he supports Joe,

Think I better sign off and get some sleep!

[ecstatic]

6. he's always pitch perfect but Kamala Harris is the VP

So I'm not sure how he'd get to skip the line.

[JoseBalow]

14. By crushing it in the primaries

I got him and Raskin as the 2028 dream team

[Raven123]

7. No. Gavin is a great Dem spokesperson, but I think your speculation baseless

You are falling for the GOP argument that Joe is too old.

[LaMouffette]

24. Yeah, I guess I was having a cynical moment. I actually do like Gavin Newsome a lot and think he would be a great

candidate for future elections, not this one.. I am still firmly Team Biden.

[brush]

27. No "E" on the end of his name.

[Raven123]

50. Just goes to show he doesn't quite have the national name recognition 😌

You make a good point. I like him, but the rust belt is an obstacle.

[Raven123]

26. Understand.

The focus on this election has magnified this debate for those who follow politics.

[LaMouffette]

39. Thanks for understanding! I think I've also still got PTSD from going to bed on Election Night 2016 thinking Hillary had

won and then waking the next day to the horrifying news that, well, you know. Add to that the horrors of the Trump "presidency" and COVID and January 6 and the fact that Trump's pet judges and pet Supreme Court justices are doing everything in their power to see that he gets away with EVERYTHING. So, yeah, you are correct: everything about this election is magnified.

Time for some deep breaths and some squaring of the shoulders!

[Demsrule86]

48. Newsome being from California would have a tough time carrying the rustbelt. And there is no other

path to the presidency.

[Zambero]

59. Some truisms are not necessarily true

The caliber of a candidate carries far more weight than where they hail from. As does who they eventually run against. Many said that a black citizen could never be elected president. And one Barack Obama from Chicago no less proved them wrong, twice.

[3catwoman3]

81. It wasn't a problem for Reagan.

Unfortunately.

[JoseBalow]

9. No, he is 100% supportive and loyal to Joe

But watch out in 2028!

[roamer65]

20. If Dump steals the election again, there won't be an election in 2028.

Hillary is right with the prediction that if he does, it will be the end of the nation.

[Polybius]

11. He'd be up by 10 if he was our candidate

Biden's only chance at winning is against Trump, and Trump's only chance at winning is against Biden.

[W_HAMILTON]

31. Bullshit.

You'd see the same things done to him that they did to Hillary and did to Biden once they became our nominees.

And the same chicken littles on our side that wrung their hands about Hillary and now Biden would do the same once a new nominee was in there.

[Demsrule86]

49. Nope. He won't carry the rustbelt and I doubt that will change in 2028 either.

[anamnua]

67. Whitmer in that case? NT

[shrike3]

72. I'd support Whitmer. Her only drawback is that she's a woman. Sorry to talk that way, but ...

I think it could be overcome if we work hard enough.

[shrike3]

71. Trump would beat Newsom if the election was held today, according to what I've read.

By four points, which isn't by much, but still. Also, as I've said in other posts, Newsom would be a tough sell in the Blue Wall states. Over time that could overcome, but we don't have time.

[Bucky]

78. Nah, but maybe by 2-3 points

He's a capable pol. We'd not be giving easy wins to Trump if he'd been the one behind the mic on Thursday

[NoRethugFriends]

84. where do you get the stuff?

Definitely not based on any facts.

[Tribetime]

13. Excellent go Gavin

[FakeNoose]

15. Well Gov. Newsom was chosen for the post-debate spin group

He's not a professional TV commentator, but he sure sounds like the best of the amateurs.

[brush]

16. He backed Biden all the way. What do you mean?

[padah513]

17. I swear certain people on here tonight...

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. He's auditioning for 2028, Biden is the nominee for 2024. Nt

[AltairIV]

54. Agreed.

Agreed. I expect a slug fest between him and Harris for the 2028 nomination.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

60. A slug fest?

Gov. Newsom is 100% behind Biden/Harris, but if he says so, he's auditioning, and angling to replace Biden, and already prognosticators are prognosticating he can't win!....

The only slugfest will be the one created by MAGAts that for some reason, some people insist upon glomming on to with iron fists of doom. I don't get it.

How about a Harris/Newsom ticket in 2028?

[RedSpartan]

32. If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028

[Sibelius Fan]

22. Newsom has been a vocal and visible supporter of Joe's 2024 run. He's a great surrogate.

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I totally disagree with your premise.

[BannonsLiver]

23. Despite what some people around here think of him he's a pretty good pol

We could do a lot worse when it comes to surrogates.

[Retrograde]

25. And ditch Harris as VP?

Remember that electors from California wouldn't be able to vote for both Newsom and Harris if they were on the same ballot - and that's a lot of votes.

I mostly like Newsom, even though he sticks his foot in his mouth too often. But he's not the person to run for either president or vice-president this time around.

[OAITW r.2.0]

28. I posted my thread just above you before reading yours.

No, I think he is with Joe all the way. But after the win, who knows? Maybe Joe says, "I finished my job and that was beating Trump. Now I choose to hand the reigns over to Kamala Harris." Maybe she moves to get Newsome to join as VP. Would be a powerful upgrade.

[Azathoth]

29. Where have you been? He's been doing that for 4 years

You think he's been publicly debating and picking fights with red state governors/presumptive GOP primary candidates like DeSantis all this time out of sheer policy conviction?

[kelly1mm]

30. You mean the guy in this picture:

[LudwigPastorius]

33. Jesus

[Hekate]

37. 20 years is a very long timr

[MorbidButterflyTat]

64. SERIOUSLY?!

It's a staged photo probably orchestrated by the photographer, for a piece in Harper's Bazaar 20 flipping years ago!

And this is bad bad bad for Dems, right?

It's not the photo on their Christmas cards, holding machine guns with their toddlers, or yukking it up with Jeffrey Epstein while oogling NFL cheerleaders, or groping the money from the US Treasury like it's freakin theirs, or marching with Nazis.... JFC.

[FalloutShelter]

86. and this is why I don not trust his judgement.

[3catwoman3]

88. She is unrecognizable in her current distorted looks.

Much like then-and-now Melania.

[marble falls]

34. That's more Alex Wagner than Gavin Newsome. TFG needs to worry about Mitt Romney taking his place.

[stopdiggin]

35. That certainly isn't the Gavin Newsom that everyone else saw tonight

(and spelling the name right helps - when people do a search)

[SKKY]

36. Everyone is clamoring for Gavin Newsom, and completely pushing aside the VP...

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...as if she's not even in the conversation. Meanwhile, Gretchen Whitmer and/or Josh Shapiro would be a stronger candidate than either. Odd.

[Nimble_Idea]

43. My take...

So I think all of them are great and could do the job.

I like Whitmer, and I like the VP.

But certainly feel more energy from Shapiro and Newsom.

My top two would be #1 Gavin, then Shapiro.

Sorry if you think it odd. But Gavin will wipe the floor with the maga world.

[SKKY]

44. Odd was a poor choice of words on my part, and I blame it on Elijah Craig...

....I guess the point I was trying to make is that everyone is anointing Newsom, but we have a very, very deep bench and there are candidates worth looking at. Of course, if Biden does drop we don't have a lot of time, but still, there is a conversation that needs to happen before deciding on a candidate because we only get one shot to get this right.

I like a Whitmer/Shapiro (Or vice versa) because MI and PA are battleground states and both are polling very well currently. I also believe either would mop the floor with TFG in a debate. But, we would have to look at the latent effects of that because if Dems go around Kamala that is going to piss off a lot of people.

[Hekate]

38. My gov is a strong surrogate for Biden, not a usurper. Look to vote for him in 2028.

[PatSeg]

40. I've been following Gavin Newsom

since he was mayor of San Francisco. My daughter and I always saw him as a future president and I think he has been playing the long game with the ultimate goal as the White House.

That said, I also believe he is a strong surrogate for Biden and will not try to undermine him in any way. He is not one to jump ahead in line which is evident by how deferential he was to Jerry Brown. He knows how to wait his turn and as I said, play the long game. I am a huge fan. He may be my 2nd favorite politician after Joe Biden.

[PatSeg]

41. I've been following Gavin Newsom

since he was mayor of San Francisco. My daughter and I always saw him as a future president and I think he has been playing the long game with the ultimate goal as the White House.

That said, I also believe he is a strong surrogate for Biden and will not try to undermine him in any way. He is not one to jump ahead in line which is evident by how deferential he was to Jerry Brown. He knows how to wait his turn and as I said, play the long game. I am a huge fan. He may be my 2nd favorite politician after Joe Biden.

[Nimble_Idea]

42. Gavin is my spirit animal, next to Joe

because they both know what is at stake and fighting for the real America.

don't over think it. Gavin, from what I have seen, is a fighter and true blue.

I'm not a california ("type"?) but really like what I see from him.

Gavin is for Joe.

[BlueTsunami2018]

47. We have a good bench.

Newsome, Whitmer, Shapiro, Buttigieg etc…

But if we don’t win this one it’s not going to matter.

[yorkster]

63. VP Harris is also on that bench.

[BlueTsunami2018]

69. I like her well enough.

But I don’t think she could ever win a Presidential election.

[yorkster]

75. Well, I'd at least like to see that play out

through a primary process.

[BlueTsunami2018]

79. Sure, she certainly deserves that consideration.

Being the Veep and all.

[FarPoint]

51. Joe is in this to the end...

There will be no withdraw....Now, lets fight forward for democracy.

[gab13by13]

52. Unfuckingbelievable nonsense,

No one in the history of our country got more votes than Joe Biden. No fucking-body.

One of our greatest presidents ever, WTF would we even consider anyone else?

[emulatorloo]

53. He's 100% behind Joe Biden. He is a Biden surrogate and a very effective one.

He may run in 2028, he is explicitly not running now.

[Voltaire2]

57. It certainly would change the dynamics.

It was widely reported long before the debate disaster that voters were generally unenthusiastic about the rematch. I think we could exploit that lack of enthusiasm.

[Zambero]

58. An all-California ticket does not seem plausible

A "balanced" ticket that would not be. As others have noted, I sense that Newsome has his sights set on the 2028 race, and would not be overly enthused about jumping into a chaotic free-for-all if Joe were to step down, also very unlikely.

[Baitball Blogger]

61. I don't think that's the case.

I think the fact that he supports Biden raises everyone's confidence level, because he is likely to run in the future.

[Jose Garcia]

62. The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club

[SleeplessinSoCal]

65. ok. here comes a thought to ponder.. ..

What if Newsome was on the ticket?

I doubt Biden would drop Harris, but it's certainly a DU consideration given the stakes and dwindling number of days to lock in a ticket.

[valleyrogue]

66. Not happening--ever

Besides, he and VP Harris are from the same state.

[ananda]

68. I don't care. He is supporting Biden 100%.

...

[Alliepoo]

70. Steve Schmidt thinks Biden will step aside. Robert Reich

Thinks it’s a possibility, too and we should know in 10 days or so. Gavin Newsom, Sherrod Brown and a few others are mentioned as replacements. It doesn’t seem like Kamala is seen as a strong candidate to replace Biden but asking her to step aside could tick off a fairly big group of folks. Both pieces of writing address the huge difficulty of replacing Biden at this late date but it would appear that both think it should or will happen. Interesting reading…

[Vogon_Glory]

74. Methinks Gavin Newsome is hoping to be the Democratic Party's Presidential candidate in 2028.

That’s what I think

[Bucky]

76. He's been doing that for over a year. It's smart politics. I respect that.

He's not my top candidate of choice. But I never get the candidate I want.

[wryter2000]

77. He's auditioning to be president someday, maybe soon

Not this year.

[NoRethugFriends]

82. you're methinks is based on a lack of knowledge

He has been invited by Biden to do all the talking that he's doing. And he knows his time is 2028. And he is smart enough to know that if he tried to do this now he likely would be throwing away the rest of his career.

[Gore1FL]

83. We have that candidate already. Her name is Kamala Harris.

I don't know if Newsome has presidential aspirations or not. If he does, I expect him to be at the top of the pack in 2028.

[NoRethugFriends]

85. this is not directed at the original poster, who is probably sincere

But this thread cuz maybe a 50/50 mix of bots and non-bots

[LaMouffette]

92. I was sincere (and sleepy-tired!) when I posted my original post after that emotionally draining debate.

After a good night's rest and some reflection, I am very grateful to Newsom and Vice President Harris and every other Biden-backer who rallied around Joe. For the record, I have no doubt whatsoever that Biden can do the job for another four years. I'm just worried about the low-information voters who are completely ignorant of Joe's accomplishments, which are remarkable, and who will not vote for him based solely on his age.

Solution? I'm going to do my best before November in the crimson-red county I live in to inform them of Biden's accomplishments.

Get out the vote, y'all!

[brooklynite]

87. How about...the Biden campaign sent him out as a surrogate?

[LiberalFighter]

89. Alex probably couldn't get anyone else

[MFM008]

90. Well we do need

A back up plan if something happens to either of the top 2 on the ticket natural or otherwise.

[Oneironaut]

91. Anyone who thinks Biden isn't the best candidate is delusional.

He’s locked in. It’s 4 months from the election. I can’t believe any talk of Biden being replaced is being taken seriously.