There's a logistical issue with Newsom on the top of the 2024 ticket

[Renew Deal]

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And that is Kamala couldn't be on the ticket since they are from the same state.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Bigger problem:

Biden is already at the top of the ticket.

Newsom can wait until 2028.

[niyad]

5. Such a trivial and insignificant detail.

[Karma13612]

16. Yup

And Newsom has been pretty clear on not running this time around. He has been showing deference to Biden, and is being a great surrogate.

And it’s not fair for him to get only 4 months to try to get America to know him adequately.

[albacore]

20. What will the country look like in 2028 if trump wins?

I've been aboard with Joe all this time, but if trump can lie his way into the WH, we are fucked by 2028... and beyond.
Joe had a bad night, but he had the facts and numbers. trump lied every time he opened his mouth, but we know which of those choices - facts or lies - that Murikans favor.

[niyad]

2. And there we have it. .one of the unspoken reasons for the push for Newsom.

[Irish_Dem]

3. There is nothing in the US Constitution which prevents Pres and VP from same state?

Just may not be practical in terms of geographical diversity for voters.

[._.]

9. The 12th Amendment

The Twelfth Amendment made a series of adjustments to the Electoral College system. For the electors, it was now mandated that a distinct vote had to be taken for the president and the vice president. Further, one of the selected candidates must be someone who is not from the same state as the elector.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. 12A didn't stop Bush-Cheney

Democrats mentioned it at the time, but ................ zippo

[Prairie Gates]

29. Cheney changed his state of residence to Wyoming

Where he did have a long-term residence.

[Jose Garcia]

33. That would be pretty simple for Harris to do

[Prairie Gates]

37. Really?

Where's her other residence? Maryland?

[Jose Garcia]

38. Washington, DC

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-grounds/the-vice-presidents-residence-office/

[Prairie Gates]

44. LOL

OK. Take that one to the Supreme Court when the House rejects California's electoral votes. Even the 8th grade social studies teachers will be against you.

[Retrograde]

12. The electors from California

can only vote for one of them, per the 12th amendment. So either the president or vice-president will lose 54 electoral votes, which can tip the election.

[Irish_Dem]

14. I don't see a consensus about this online.

[Renew Deal]

22. Here you go

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96427&page=1

[Irish_Dem]

34. I see different opinions online.

[Renew Deal]

39. Welcome to the internet

[Algernon Moncrieff]

40. Actually it does

It came up actually in the context of the other side. Trump has to figure out whether he wants to be a resident of New York or Florida for purposes of picking a veep. One choice takes Rubio and DeSantis and Donalds off the table. The other takes Elise Stefanik out. It's in the 12th Amendment.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. I suspect that's part of the reason trolls are suggesting it

Because they aren't suggesting that the sitting VP step in.

[niyad]

7. Yes, all the "discussions" seem to conveniently forget VP Harris.

[Think. Again.]

8. I think that's the whole idea...

...not just forget VP Harris, but remove VP Harris.

[Renew Deal]

23. Three issues for Kamala

1. She is on the ticket and there's no clean way to do it without it looking like a hostile takeover.
2. Being part of the administration could impact how the new ticket is perceived.
3. She's not a great with retail politics as demonstrated in the 2020 primary.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

41. I'm not advocating anything but this is how it probably plays out

Hypothetically: if Biden or Trump were to withdraw for health reasons or complications of imprisonment.

- The party convention would have to free the delegates and there would be an old-fashioned contested convention with multiple ballots. Haven't had one in a while. I suspect the electorate won't love it.
- Then, once a nominee was agreed upon, a Veep would be picked in one of three scenarios. 1) It would be left to the delegates 2) The nominee would pick someone and the delegates would say yes or no 2a) During the selection of the nominee, a deal might be struck to name a runner up as Veep. That would be presented to the convention as the choice of the nominee.

So there would be no guarantee that VP Harris would be nominated in such a scenario. But there is nothing saying Newsome would be either.

[Prairie Gates]

30. Because she will lose by double digits

[wryter2000]

6. Also

Newsom isn't interested.

[Irish_Dem]

15. This cannot be true.

He is quite ambitious.

[Karma13612]

18. He has been very respectful of Biden

And doing great surrogate work.

And he should be allowed to have a full chance to run in 2028, not a half-over chance as it stands now.

[Irish_Dem]

19. Yes he is quite interested in running for POTUS.

[wryter2000]

42. Yes, he is

But not this year. He's been very clear on the subject.

[Renew Deal]

24. I agree but...

He also couldn't be a more vocal supporter of Biden.

[Think. Again.]

10. oh, and also...

...Biden is already on the top of the ticket, as he should be.

[Karma13612]

11. They can be,

But one of them would have to move.

Same conundrum for Trump and Marco Rubio if he picks him as VP

[brush]

13. YOu must not have watched Gov. Newsom last night after the debate.

He totally backed Joe and is not gunning to be on the ticket.

IMO, he's aimming for '28 to run for president.

And BTW, there's no "E" on the end of his name.

[Renew Deal]

25. I saw it.

I'm not suggesting it should happen. I'm saying that making the change would have a major effect on the ticket. We wouldn't just lose Biden.

[wryter2000]

43. I always make that mistake with his name

He was extremely supportive of Biden. Yes, he wants to be president, and I hope he will. But not this year.

[Progressive dog]

17. You might be right.

Way before the debate there were way too many complaining of how old Joe Biden was without even acknowledging that Kamala Harris would take over if Joe was unable to finish another term.

[Ocelot II]

27. What's unspoken is the fact that

Harris is female and Black/South Asian. She would become president if Biden couldn’t serve, and unfortunately there are plenty of misogynists and racists who are concerned about Biden’s age for exactly that reason.

[obamanut2012]

21. Actually not true, they absolutely can be on the same ticket

And, I hope in 2028, Newsom runs if Harris doesn't want to, and if Harris doesn't want to, I hope she runs for Gov in my now home state of California.

[Karma13612]

31. Yes they can both be on the same ticket

But one has to move to another state. It’s the reason why Marco Rubio would have to move to another state if he accepted Trump’s offer of the VP slot.

[Jirel]

28. Time to cut this line of thought.

Whatever people’s fears are, replacing Biden is the biggest gift to the GOP possible. It will throw the party and the campaign into chaos. It will ensure a Felon34 win.

Let’s talk frankly. Last night’s optics were TERRIBLE. But anyone who believes that a poor debate performance (when obviously sick and exhausted, and that optic is solidly his team’s fault when so much could’ve been done to prevent it) is a measure of dumping a nominee and starting fresh in a panic, is drinking the kool-aid sold by the media in hyper-promoting the event for ratings.

Right now, we have one course of action that can stop a fascist possibly-dictatorship in the US: get as aggressive, riled, and nasty as the GOP. Get Joe well from whatever bug he had, get him out on the campaign trail, have plenty of press conferences, and have so much media play of the Biden we’ve seen RECENTLY being funny, energetic, and biting, that nobody cares about hoarse-Joe in one debate.

[viva la]

36. I'm old enough to remember LBJ (for much better reasons) withdrawing in 1968

And what was the result of that?

President Nixon.

[Jose Garcia]

32. Hypothetically speaking, the nominee usually chooses their runningmate

Newsom might want a different runningmate. Hypotheticlly speaking.

[viva la]

35. Yeah, he's a white man they want to replace a woman of color with.

Kamala Harris would be a good president.