OK says Bible to be taught in public schools. Which parts will they teach? I'll start:

[Cattledog]

Timothy 2:11-12

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

[pwb]

1. Definitely Old Testament mean shit.

Christ tried to make it better. They want no part of what Jesus taught anymore. They need a new name,
Satians maybe.

[Initech]

2. If I was a teacher in Oklahoma, could I take the Ron Swanson approach?

“This is the Bible. It is a book. It talks about the man who claimed to be the son of God. As an American, you can choose to read or not read this.

End of lesson.”

[Xavier Breath]

3. Ezekiel 16:17.

“You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.”

Damn, that's hot

[rurallib]

4. you would make a great teacher

[Xavier Breath]

5. Sure, if I didn't get sucked into all that idol business

[Ocelot II]

8. Or this:

“Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad. Let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits.” (Song of Songs 4:16) and "My beloved put his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." (5:4)

[Xavier Breath]

10. Hmm, Trump supporters might like that part about the bowel movement

since Donny loves doing those anywhere, apparently.

[Hekate]

16. Not "bowel movements." Movement of the interior of the abdomen, such as orgasm.

The main trouble with reading the King James Version is that it is written in the language of Shakespeare, and most people don’t understand Shakespeare either.

[Xavier Breath]

18. Too confusing, that whole thing needs a re-write.

[Hekate]

33. There have been several re-writes, in all languages. The Roman Catholics have their version...

The Catholics could see which way the world was going and decided to retranslate their Latin Bible into the vernacular of various European countries so that people wouldn’t get to relying on that Protestant version. Gutenberg’s first big job on his printing press was a Bible in German for the Protestants.

During the hippie days the fundamentalists and others trying to appeal to everyone from teenagers to street people to adults, anyway whoever, put out at least one version that was not retranslated but simply rewritten from King James’ translation to “modern” American — over-simplified, full of textual errors, and with a lot of stuff left out as irrelevant or uninteresting. Someone gave me a copy back in the day — ugh.

There were some really good re-translations into English in the ‘70s, sound up to date scholarship, easy to read, poetic when poetry was called for, and altogether understandable to the reasonably educated, although given how long ago all the various books were written (and it is a library, not a single-authored book) a study guide is still a good idea.

King James is still very popular for many reasons. Doesn’t cost much to print because it is not copyrighted, so it’s everywhere. But mostly it’s because people think it “sounds” holy, and the preacher can tell you what they think it means.

You don’t have to agree with anything, but if someone’s going to try to read it, it should at least be in a translation that’s accurate. The passages about animal blood sacrifices in the holy of holies are particularly vivid, shall we say. So is that wonderful poem from lover to lover known as the Song of Songs. Wow! No wonder there were so many pages of begats.

I wonder which version the Red State schools will choose to have in every classroom, and force the teachers to read from every day? Hmmm.

[Wednesdays]

24. Shakespeare sometimes didn't understand Shakespeare

At times he wrote words and phrases that even in his time were hard to understand.

[Hekate]

34. Poetry. Took me a long time to understand "He laughs at scars that never felt a wound."

It’s “He, that never was wounded himself — laughs at my scars. He’s an ignorant fool.”

Shakespeare wrote in poetry, and even then some of it may have needed some unpacking — but that makes it richer when you get it.

[Abolishinist]

43. Never thought about the connection between the King James Version and the Bard.

Do you know if the KJV also uses iambic pentameter in many of its verses?

[Hekate]

44. What a great question. As far as I know they don't.

[Irish_Dem]

12. I don't understand this bible lesson.

I never studied the bible in Catholic school. (Grades 1-5)

Looks like I missed out.

So a woman is given fine jewelry made of gold and silver by a man.
Ok I got that.

Then she turns into a prostitute and lures the johns in with
the flashy jewelry given to her by another man?

Or she makes craven images with the gold and silver and then
has sex with these gold and silver statues?

WTH?

The nuns were so right to just give us our little catechisms.

[Xavier Breath]

17. I think the lesson is

that in biblical times a dildo was definitely a dil-don't

[Irish_Dem]

20. Oh for god's sake is this for real?

Bible story about a woman making a masturbation device
with the gold and silver jewelry given to her by a man?

Normally I would say you are pulling my leg.
But there is a reason the Bible was kept away from us kids.

[Xavier Breath]

21. They're going to have a hell of a time teaching all of this to second graders.

The Q&A afterward should be interesting

[Irish_Dem]

23. Oh boy. Christian religion classes are sure interesting.

[CanonRay]

27. Just one question

If Cain and Able were the only children of Adam and Eve, where did their wives come from?
It was good enough to get me kicked out of Catholic cathecism classes.

[Hekate]

35. They came from other tribes. Over there. Each answer leads to another question, doesn't it?

You must have been a fun kid — and is it that kind of thinking that led you to the Unitarians?

[CanonRay]

41. Eventually, yes

But I went about 55 years as "None" lol

[former9thward]

39. The Bible said Adam had many sons and daughters.

He lived over 800 years according to the Bible so I guess he would have time. I find it had to believe that a Catholic class teacher would not know that. Incest did not have the prohibition that it has now.

[CanonRay]

42. Well, Sister Jesczewina didn't know, or wouldn't say

The next day the Priest called and told my parents not to send me back as I was "disruptive".

[former9thward]

38. That is not what that section of the Old Testament is about.

Which is what happens when posters pick and choose a sentence here and there. The quoted verse is not about a human woman. It is about the city of Jerusalem which is symbolically married to God. God is angry about the immorality in the city and is using symbols to express his anger.

[msongs]

6. in honor of trump, thou shalt not commit adultery nt

[eppur_se_muova]

7. I believe the law says the Bible must be included in all lessons ...

as a Chemistry teacher, I'd want to spend the whole term demonstrating the process of combustion.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Exactly, accelerant+ignitor+fuel.

Something like that.
I only had one or two chemistry classes.

[Autumn]

9. "If a woman doesn't cry out it is not rape and she will be stoned to death"

There you go

[Phoenix61]

11. I think they should start with Song of Solomon.😂nt

[Hekate]

36. Very popular with adolescents

[BigMin28]

13. It certainly won't include

The Sermon on the Mount, or the Beatitudes.

[Hekate]

14. The Song of Songs. Really beautiful poetry, but R-rated

[TBF]

19. Um, which bible? nt

[LiberalFighter]

22. During which classes will they teach it in?

[Buns_of_Fire]

25. So long as it's the Old Testament. None of this "woke" New Testament stuff.

Lots of fire and brimstone, everybody begatting their brains out -- that's what the little rugrats need to know!

That, and it is forbidden to wear mixed vegetables (something like that).

[sanatanadharma]

26. Acts: the holding all things in common verses ...

... and the two deaths due to not sharing appropriately.
Acts 2:40- or/and Acts 5:-
I am not a Biblical scholar and don't act like one either, but I liked Acts.

[0rganism]

28. My personal favorite -- Job 1:6-12, where Satan hangs with God & they ruin Job's life and murder his family on a bet

One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

Raises all kinds of fun ethical questions for those who enjoy such things
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%201&version=NIV

[keithbvadu2]

29. Selective Bible lessons... The Slave Bible

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=rewritten+bible+for+slaves slave bible slavebible

Heavily Abridged ‘Slave Bible’ Removed Passages That Might Encourage Uprisings

Why Bibles Given to Slaves Omitted Most of the Old Testament

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215158393#post17

Rep. Al Green: "You used god to segregate me in schools. You used god to put me in the back of the..

https://crooksandliars.com/2021/02/green-hammers-gop-using-god-cudgel

[Ishoutandscream2]

30. Ok, settle down, Kindergartners

Our lesson this morning is on adultery…

[4139]

31. Genesis 32-36 " Let's get our father to drink wine and then

…sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”….

[Sibelius Fan]

32. Fav Buybull verse:

There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. - Ezekiel 23:20

[keithbvadu2]

37. Selective Bible lessons 2... Beating your babies

We have Christians in America who teach how to beat babies.

These must be some lovely people.

Beating Babies in the Name of Jesus? The Shady World of Right-Wing 'Discipline' Guides

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2011/11_12/2011_11_08_TheAlternet_BeatingBabies.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20101104141241/http://www.achristianhome.com/to_train_up_a_child.htm

They even recommend what type of plumbing tubing to use.

[Igel]

40. What's pertinent to the topic at hand.

I like original documents, not what somebody outraged at what somebody outraged said based what a political or ideological foe said the Bad Person said. And I like original documents in context

From the original memo:

The Bible is one of the most historically significant books and a cornerstone of Western civilization, along with the Ten Commandments. They will be referenced as an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the like, as well as for their substantial influence on our nation’s founders and the foundational principles of our Constitution. This is not merely an educational directive but a crucial step in ensuring our students grasp the core values and historical context of our country.

Had the link to the pdf, closed the window but failed to copy the link (and can't find it again--pretty much nobody cites original sources, just themselves and 4th parties so I feel like I'm in a hall of mirrors doing searches). Anyway, /rant off/.

I don't see chemistry in there or how dildos influenced the Constitution (but I'm sure if you ignore context and are creative enough, you can find references--and if you can't, well, then we can talk about silence).

But did it influence the role of women and children? Arguably, although that's rather a cross-cultural thing so maybe it's just substratum and largely predates Xianity in Common Law. However, if you read about arguments for slavery in the Ante-bellum South and read about the "mark of Cain," or saying that African-descended folk are punished as descendants of Ham, good luck not referencing the Bible. (Oh, noes, they're preaching religion! But they're not preaching, they're teaching what those making that argument believed, and why. Teachers are free to condemn it, and few current Xians would do more than shake their heads in disbelief; mind you, those who would support the preaching side of it are (1) subject to admin correction and (b) probably already actively racist in the classroom, so it's more of the same--and subject to admin correction.)

It's the same for teaching Locke in history or the Quran when discussing the Islamic conquest and its sequelae, or even Hamas. Don't get the context, you don't understand the whys. Unless you have your own pre-packaged whys that explain everything based on what you believe, and that's easy, feels good, gain followers, but it's unethical teaching (by my lights). I may not agree with those dead, long- or otherwise. But I think they deserve the dignity to be understood on their own terms as their own individuals, not on ours terms with attributed goals and thoughts. I don't condemn Newton because he didn't understand the photoelectric effect or QED--he helped get us there. Good for him.

Now, it's a different argument as to whether he can issue this diktat when the SCO (SC/OK) said districts clearly determine their own educational resources. He can't, so consider his directive "suggestion" and not "directive."