Trump's Gish Gallup

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Or, a firehouse of bullshit. It’s a debating technique, but for Trump, it’s just what he does naturally.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/6/29/2249631/-Trump-s-Gish-Gallop-and-Brandolini-s-law

[Raven123]

1. Yep. I noticed it too. Didn't know it had a name

Just calling him out by saying he’s lying and make your own point is probably the best you can do. Have an army of fact checkers do the rest

[Polybius]

2. Ya know, in 50 years I've never heard of the term "Gish Gallup"

But I've seen it at least 8 times on DU in the last 24 hours. Someone please tell me why the term has gone viral. I keep clicking on it, hoping for a Gallup poll.

[surfered]

5. Here's the source..

No guarantees.

The Gish gallop (/ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/) is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality. The term was coined in 1994 by anthropologist Eugenie Scott, who named it after American creationist Duane Gish and argued that Gish used the technique frequently when challenging the scientific fact of evolution.[1]

[Cha]

9. I've heard of it for a long time thanks to DU. It's what

magats do especially when they're on Adderall like TSF.

[Blue Owl]

3. Here's a visual representation of tRump in action

[surfered]

6. This is a better description

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

7. I thought Ramaswamy was a master of the technique

Fast talking, never shut up, topic irrelevant.

[GreatAuntK]

8. Ruth Ben-Ghiat, NYU Professor of History and Italian Re Professional Liars

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, NYU Prof of History on Nicole Wallace yesterday. I don't have a video, but I thought it was important, so I transcribed it to share with my family.

- "I study professional liars who are very charming, they're amazing performers, and they turn political events into spectacles for authoritarian purposes.

If we think about this debate, a real debate in democracy is supposed to provide voters with accurate information so they can make a choice. Trump came there for a totally different purpose, an authoritarian purpose - to spew as much propaganda, as many lies as possible. And he got a lot in, so he could indoctrinate people to his fake reality.

So Biden was placed in a very difficult position because there was no live fact checking. And we know from studying propaganda you’ve gotta have instant refutation. And so number one it’s really kind of sad that because Trump lied with such vigor, with such dynamism, he's hailed as the winner.

The other thing is and you can substitute X for Biden if you have a favorite alternate Democrat. That person would’ve been stuck refuting all of Trump lies the whole time because of the lack of live fact checking from moderators, and thus wouldn’t have been able to make her case to the American public about the agenda. And Trump knows all that And so in a way this debate--I’m not blasting over the terrible performance of Biden and lack of energy, but it’s 90 minutes and it’s a symptom of we are a degraded democracy. And we're acting as though our political rituals around this election are proceeding normally. But this quote debate shows that one party is using these debates for a completely authoritarian purpose."
There were mistakes made in planning this event. And perhaps there's hubris, perhaps my colleagues are getting at, in President Biden insisting that these rules would be okay. So it's a learning moment, but also a moment to wake up and realize what you are dealing with.

Because again, substitute anybody, and they would have been occupied refuting Trump's lies. And that was by design. He was there to indoctrinate people. He was not there to educate the public. So with somebody like that, a debate is a bad idea, and it shouldn't be called a debate. Paradigm has to shift with Trump, and with the GOP which has become an autocratic party."

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10. One strategy is to pick just one or two of the dumbest lies and beat it to death, thus proving the person is a liar.

[bigtree]

11. more

Nicole Minet @mouvement33
People on the left are being introduced to the Gish Gallop, a debate technique that bombards your opponent with half-truths and lies in order to stun them into silence. It is very effective on people who stutter, as it causes an overload of information which brings out the stutter while the opponent is trying to defend themselves.

Ben Shapiro teaches this form of gaslighting all the time. Trump deployed an overwhelming attack on Biden and CNN framed it in a way that enhanced Biden's very normal reaction to the 2 simultaneous attacks in real-time on live tv. And well, we know what that looks like now.

[FakeNoose]

12. I don't think Chump won any new voters over on Thursday night

If anything he pushed a few people away, because they saw through his lies.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

13. Gish Gallop: a debate technique where one person floods the air with an endless string of lies & bullshit

Link to tweet