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jojog

(435 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 01:42 PM Jun 2024

I have to get some things off my chest

I don't think Biden was well served by his debate preppers.
I am a lowly retiree and and not a seasoned pol but these are my thoughts on rebuttal

When he says “They talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the Capitol and in many cases were ushered in by the police.” It was in fact the deadliest assault on the seat of American power in over 200 years with hand-to-hand combat with police.

When he says everybody wanted Roe overturned, ask about 171,000 women that had to leave the state for reproductive care last year. Republicans love the fetus but ignore the child. If they cared they would fund Child Tax credit, provide school meals and expand and supplement day care.

We he says 3-day old babies can be aborted, reply that is unlawful in all 50 states. Not to mention its absurd. When asked about how late an abortion can occur. One can state the fact that 99% of procedures happen in the first 20 weeks. Later term operations are almost always wanted pregnancies. The mothers have already purchased cribs, painted nurseries, had baby reveal parties and then tragic news comes from the physician of serious abnormalities. A so-called small government should not interfere.

When he says he will end Ukraine war, what he would do is give territory to Russia. When he says he will get Wall Street reporter freed, it is a cynical twist manipulation of a US citizen’s rights. It should be pointed out the traitorous conversation with Putin that he claims that he had after the Ukraine war started. He was not president on February 24, 2022. Remember Xi and Putin together at the Winter Olympics – no doubt postponing the invasion until after the event was over.

When he says that he did not have sex with a porn star. Point out that he cheated on wife 1 with wife 2, cheated on wife 2 with wife 3, and cheated on wife 3 with a Playboy playmate and a porn star. He is an adjudicated rapist a owes $93 million in penalties.

When he brags about what a good businessman that he is. He can no longer do business in his hometown and owes half a billion dollars in fines for fraud.

When he says that the DOJ is weaponized against him. It was a state court, state grand jury and 12 NYC peers that found him guilty of 34 felonies.

When he says Biden is a criminal because of millions in Chinese dealings challenge him for proof. If proof were there the House Oversite Committee would have been all over it. A counterpoint is the multiple patents and deals to his daughter, sweetheart loan to Jarod on 666 Fifth Ave. property and $2 billon dollar deal from Saudis.

When he says that immigrants are getting Social Security and Medicare payments it should be easy to prove how ludicrous this is. If anything, they are paying into the Social Security and Medicare system with every paycheck and may never benefit from those payments. They are also paying federal, state and sales taxes. Immigrant issues should be addressed as well as border security but the plain fact is they add trillions to the GDP. If you think housing is expensive, fruits and vegetables, meat processing or health care – what will happen when millions are deported. He routinely says that migrants are causing crime increases. Crime is decreasing in much of the US.

When he says that Biden want to raise taxes by 4X. Biden has always said that no one making less than $400K will get any increase.

When he says that “during my four years, I had the best environmental numbers ever” and that he supports “immaculate” air and water. He rolled back some provisions of the Clean Water Act, eased regulations on coal, oil and gas companies and pulled the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord. He proposed deep cuts to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Stock exchanges are close to record levels. I know that the exchanges are not the real economy but my 401K has looked pretty good lately. The inflation rate over the last 6 months is lower than any of the 8 years of Reagan presidency. Unemployment is the lowest since the 1950s and 4 million more people are working than before the pandemic.

Just my rant

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I have to get some things off my chest (Original Post) jojog Jun 2024 OP
Thank you. I enjoyed reading your post. dmr Jun 2024 #1
Well said. EndlessWire Jun 2024 #2
Thanks for posting. It helps to see it all written out. flying_wahini Jun 2024 #3
If only he had responded snappily to the obvious lies. Silent Type Jun 2024 #4
That's what TSF wanted, Joe having to constantly defend himself. gab13by13 Jun 2024 #6
The problem is that this wasn't a real debate. gab13by13 Jun 2024 #5
This exactly! Hope22 Jun 2024 #18
I take it you are not familiar with the general rules of debates.? Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #22
So your debate strategy is BidenRocks Jun 2024 #30
Excellent post, Jojog. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #7
Excellent rant! PatSeg Jun 2024 #8
Well said! Looks like a letter to the editor to me !!!! Karadeniz Jun 2024 #9
Thank you. I was wondering about that too. ananda Jun 2024 #10
They should be orangecrush Jun 2024 #29
Good. A few more lines: Qutzupalotl Jun 2024 #11
Okay, maybe wait on the docs and J6 attacks Qutzupalotl Jun 2024 #12
Biden answered a question on abortion by talking about migrant murderers Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #13
Sort of jojog Jun 2024 #16
I'm sure he rehearsed a "canned answer", just didn't deliver one. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #17
Sincere question orangecrush Jun 2024 #28
Sincere answer Fiendish Thingy Jun 2024 #31
Thanks. orangecrush Jun 2024 #32
Very good. How can anyone vote for that piece of shit, Trump? debm55 Jun 2024 #14
thanks, jojog Jean Genie Jun 2024 #15
Iran Contra redux: "...he will get Wall Street reporter freed..." nt live love laugh Jun 2024 #19
These are all great points FakeNoose Jun 2024 #20
That is exactly what was needed. Ms. Toad Jun 2024 #21
Thank you, for your rant wendyb-NC Jun 2024 #23
Well done UpInArms Jun 2024 #24
I don't blame his prepper. Shoonra Jun 2024 #25
To be clear jojog Jun 2024 #26
Great post orangecrush Jun 2024 #27

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
6. That's what TSF wanted, Joe having to constantly defend himself.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jun 2024

I agree with where you are going though. The campaign advisors/preppers gave Joe too much information to digest.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
5. The problem is that this wasn't a real debate.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:02 PM
Jun 2024

It is next to impossible to debate a liar. When the moderators are not fact checking TSF and it is up to Joe to constantly refute the lies, he is losing. The campaign advisors, the preppers were the problem, IMO. They gave Joe too much data, too many statistics, too much analytical information.

I was leery to begin with having the debate at CNN. CNN now has 2 reich wing people in charge of operations.

Think about the format:

TSF spends his allotted time lying about Joe, Joe spends his allotted time defending himself against the lies. What other outcome could there be? The moderators should have been the people correcting TSF's lies then Joe would have had more time to push his agenda.

Hope22

(4,744 posts)
18. This exactly!
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:33 PM
Jun 2024

To make matters worse, they let the liar talk over Biden and steal extra time. It’s amazing that the president was able to answer any questions but those answers came at the cost of not defending himself against the lies. It was a lose lose situation.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
22. I take it you are not familiar with the general rules of debates.?
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:58 PM
Jun 2024

In any debate setting I have been part of (from high school on), it is up to the debaters - not the moderators - to call their opponents on lies.

BidenRocks

(3,263 posts)
30. So your debate strategy is
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 05:01 PM
Jun 2024

To play defense. Rope a dope if you will.
You present nothing except ducking incoming bullshit.
I would love to debate you.

ananda

(35,140 posts)
10. Thank you. I was wondering about that too.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:50 PM
Jun 2024

The minute I saw how this was gonna go,
I wondered if somebody was about to be fired.

Qutzupalotl

(15,821 posts)
11. Good. A few more lines:
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:55 PM
Jun 2024

“I didn't cause your legal troubles, Donald. I didn't force you to have sex with a porn star. I didn't make you falsify your business records to cover it up. I didn't make you assault E. Jean Carroll and then defame her repeatedly. I didn't make you steal our nation's most valuable nuclear secrets and keep them in your crummy golf motel. I didn't make you refuse to give them back and hide them from investigators. And I damned sure didn't make you invite a bunch of yahoos to the Capitol THAT YOU KNEW WERE ARMED AND DANGEROUS who wanted to overturn the election and hang your vice president. YOU did that, Donald, all by yourself, and now you have to answer for it!”

Qutzupalotl

(15,821 posts)
12. Okay, maybe wait on the docs and J6 attacks
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 02:58 PM
Jun 2024

until those are adjudicated, but you get the idea.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,219 posts)
13. Biden answered a question on abortion by talking about migrant murderers
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:02 PM
Jun 2024

That’s not the fault of his debate preppers.

jojog

(435 posts)
16. Sort of
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:18 PM
Jun 2024

He should of had a canned answer. When a question that you know is going to be ask, you have to knock it out of the park

Jean Genie

(544 posts)
15. thanks, jojog
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:18 PM
Jun 2024

It's as if those who don't want to hear (the truth) are putting their fingers in their ears while shouting ":Ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne!" Grade school (or maybe nursery school) stuff, to be sure.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
21. That is exactly what was needed.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jun 2024

Trump's lies are never new. Because of this, Biden should have been prepared to respond with the kind of details you are providing. Just calling it malarky, or calling Trump a liar, without more is not effective.

wendyb-NC

(4,690 posts)
23. Thank you, for your rant
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:21 PM
Jun 2024

It is well stated, true reality based, (as opposed to the right wings take, say, on what happened on January 6, 2021) in a concise format. Thank, you again, well done.

Shoonra

(602 posts)
25. I don't blame his prepper.
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jun 2024

Two people close to Biden say he had a cold on the day of the debate; this is an easy fib but I believe it. Biden certainly was not at his best.
We can hope for a better performance at the second debate (Please God).

Talk about Biden dropping out and the Democrats proposing a new candidate at this very late stage is suicidal.

I like to think that Biden's poor performance did not cause anyone to switch from him and side with the psychopathic rapist felon.

jojog

(435 posts)
26. To be clear
Sat Jun 29, 2024, 04:38 PM
Jun 2024

I am not in favor of Biden dropping out. I would like to see short, easy to remember lines.

For example, when he tried to explain Roe in terms of trimester 1, 2 and 3 I was yelling at my TV. Too complicated and no heart.

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