Serious Question Isn't Meant to Start None..

[Blue Cape]

But could we have succeeded in WWII with today's press? Like, could we have actually staved off the Axis powers with a media that is willing to sell out America? Because I believe what happened Thursday night was coordinated, pre-planned, and pre-written.

I saw the stupid debate, I thought, "Well, Joe is tired tonight, he might have a sore throat, whatevs." Went to bed. Thought, "A draw, nothing is going to change from a blizzard of lies and a pile of stats."

Woke up to flippin' Debatemageddon, puzzled at the overreaction. Is it just me? Am I underreacting? Joe was great in N.C. and what really worries me is him telling Jill, "don't know what happened Jill, wasn't feeling well." I have questions about the mics, the lighting, the intent. I don't go for conspiracy, I just don't believe what I'm being told.

[FBaggins]

1. Well... you're certainly right about the press...

… but that was no draw.

[Blue Cape]

3. I don't know

about that. What are we giving punches landed scores based on? Smooth Gish Gallop or substance? I think the only solid punch was the morals of an alley cat line. It was delivered authentically and it was timed well.

[John1956PA]

9. And it drew out 45 to reply, unprompted, that he did not have sex with a porn star. n/t

[FBaggins]

11. I wish I still believed in Santa too

There’s no spinning it. It was hands down the worst performance by any candidate in a televised presidential debate in history.

This isn’t a formal debate where a qualified judge evaluates arguments won and points dropped. Where style might influence “speaker points” but not the win/loss of the round.

Rather than achieving the goal of alleviating the candidate’s greatest perceived weakness… it cemented that weakness.

Does that mean that we lose? Maybe not. It might not even hurt too badly in the polls… but there’s no spinning this one as a tie. Does it mean that Trump did well in some objective sense? Nope - not that either. But it’s what it is.

[FBaggins]

13. Santa AND the Easter Bunny too you say?

Look… we’re on the same side here. I’ll take this Biden on his worst day over evil incarnate. Something might happen? Hey… that’s why we have a VP. We can still win.

But “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for” isn’t a winning strategy.

Soft spoken?

[FBaggins]

15. Follow-up with some relevant data

CBS just released a poll. Just under 80% say that they watched the debate live of have seen highlights and media coverage of it. Only 21% say that they haven't seen much about it.

https://www.scribd.com/document/746721106/cbsnews-20240630-SUN#download&from_embed

[FBaggins]

17. Apologies... I picked the wrong post to reply to

Someone else had claimed that viewership had been low and that few others would see what happened.

[pwb]

2. The faces of the moderators

told the story, How about we have no moderators? Have someone ask the questions off camera and fact check on a stream below the shot? CNN should be ashamed, they let America down big time. IMO.

[FakeNoose]

6. Chump's behavior would be no different, with or without the mods

I don't think he answered even one question on Thursday night. Each 2 minute segment he was given (regardless of the questions asked) he launched a fresh tirade of lies and angry accusations at Biden. Did the moderators ever once stop him and say "Will the candidate please answer the question?"

The moderators were useless. It didn't matter that Biden did a good job following the format, because Chump showed us that he never intended to do so.

[leftyladyfrommo]

4. I think it was another Trump con job just

like him saying over and over that he wasn't preparing.

I'm waiting to see if he still has dementia or has it miraculously disappeared?

We got played.

[Patton French]

5. The victory over hitler in WW2 was not due to the media.

That’s an insult to those who gave their blood, sweat, tears, and lives.

[Blue Cape]

7. I think you misunderstand

my point. My grandpa served in WWII, I respect those brave people. My point is if the media had been willing to sell out America, would FDR had been able to stay in power in 1944, and develop a cohesive strategy to finish it? Would we have taken down Germany by 1944 with constant equivocation and undermining if the soldiers had been, underfunded, or undersupplied, like Republicans would gladly do now to Ukraine?

Imagine these headlines:

"Sources: Eisenhower, Roosevelt Bicker Over French Strategy."

Or,

"Unnamed Democrats Question Strategy, Cost of War in Europe."

It took a full united team effort to win that thing, but there were few elements working against it.

[yardwork]

8. I've had those thoughts, too.

[unc70]

10. Much of the media and many politicians opposed FDR policies

Even after Pearl Harbor, there were many who opposed FDR. While sentiment did shift strongly then, it was still far from the version of history most of us grew up being taught.

[republianmushroom]

14. In WWll today's press would of been run out of town, on a rail, tared and feathered.

And told not to come back.