Who do they want if Biden does step down?

[flamingdem]

I want some names from these pundits and "democratic insiders".

Who does James Carville want for instance?

Spineless...

[Turbineguy]

1. Trump

[wnylib]

7. I strongly suspect that you are right.

[DemocraticPatriot]

75. Carville HAS been 'sleeping with the enemy' for many years, after all...

If I was a Democratic campaign manager/strategist, I wouldn't have been married to a Republican consultant who ran the Bush campaign....

Hey, what was that scuttlebutt about Carville possibly passing inside information, or something, to his wife Mary Matalin during the Bush-Kerry election?
Can't remember exactly now--- but this has reminded me that there was something that didn't look quite right, back then

[kelly1mm]

86. Speaking of which .....

:large


Newsom has at least 3 problems
1) the 'great white hope' issue with the D base if VP Harris is shoved aside
2) The Alex Tourk and Ruby Rippey-Tourk issue
3) The 'ewwww' factor as being married to Kimberly Guilfoyle for almost 5 years.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. #1 will NOT sit well... especially with me!! Doesn't matter tho cuz Joe is & will continue to be our nominee.

[struggle4progress]

84. +

[Blue Full Moon]

107. Insidious as it might be

The fascist (nazi) always take over one party and infiltrate the other to make controlled opposition. So I suspect that there are moles. Past practices so just repeated history but not exactly the same.

[ForgedCrank]

125. I believe

you are correct because they all know the consequences of dropping the popular candidate at this late stage of the race.
Remaining with Joe Biden as our candidate is a slim margin (according to polls that I don't necessarily trust), but replacing him is an almost guaranteed loss. I just don't get this. I know most of us didn't like what we saw in the debate performance, but dang man, these people should know better.

[emulatorloo]

2. Generic Democrat

Or a bunch of names who most Americans have never heard of.

[bigtree]

3. and how are they supposed to introduce themselves to the country and campaign in 4 months??

[Irish_Dem]

27. Yes timing is a problem.

[FBaggins]

4. Polling seems to indicate VP Harris

I’m not sure that there’s an alternative that wouldn’t cause more problems than solutions

[bottomofthehill]

44. There is only one, it is VP. Harris.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Joe needs to stay in, but if he doesnt, we MUST go w/ VP Harris. If not her then & only then would I support Bernie...

But Joe is who we democratically voted to be our nominee & it's Joe who will carry us to victory!!

[Sea Wolf]

101. Democrats need to close ranks

and support the only candidate who can defeat Trump. There's no one else, period. With their bullshit, hand wringing etc they are sowing doubt in the mind of indepedent voter's who may go to Biden. If they keep this shit up they are going to hand the W.H. to that bastard Trump on a silver platter.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. 100%!! It's gotta be Joe...period!! The bedwetting media pundits hafta stop!!

[mcar]

104. Bernie who is older than Biden

Why?

[RubyRose]

90. There is no reasonable way to leapfrog over Harris.

[FBaggins]

95. None that I can think of

But that doesn't mean that it would be automatic... or pretty.

[Silent Type]

5. Spineless or realistic if we want Democrats to win?

[Irish_Dem]

30. That is the question.

That is why some people want to talk about it.

[SoFlaBro]

6. Carville seems to fucking like the governors. He said any of them would do for this shit.

[valleyrogue]

9. Carville needs to pack it in.

I couldn't care less what he has to say.

[SoFlaBro]

11. He's been talking shit about Biden for over a fucking year now.

[viva la]

87. How would black voters and women voters respond to bypassing our VP

for...Kimberly Guilfoyle's ex?

[SoFlaBro]

117. I predict very fucking negatively. No serious person has time for this horseshit.

[valleyrogue]

8. Kamala Harris

The PTB think she is way easier for their darling Trump to beat. It has less to do with the fact she is Black than the fact she is a woman. Even now, millions of people will not vote for a woman president because, well, women can't lead due to their "hormones." This despite the fact women have been leading countries and empires for thousands of years with no problems, if you include monarchies in the mix.

[Model35mech]

16. IMO anyone other than Harris would be hugely alienating to black women

Thankfully the DNC isn't saddled with THAT problem, yet.
 
But, consider what many people would think if the DNC/superdelegates went around her. She got denied because she was too much or not enough --of what-? The pundits explaining with the most obvious things- black, and woman- would be a terrible thing.

She's clearly been considered good enough to take his place if he dies, but some people seem to want un-named others to have the opportunity run more than her.

That will be a very massive cock-up and imo would tear alliances within the Democratic Party and its voters apart.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

18. I do not believe that the vice spot is a coronation. nt

Kamala is great.

I believe the vice spot should be voted in.
It is too easy to get a less than stellar person in the vice spot because most people only consider the top of the ticket when voting.

I remember Perot's vice pick. Totally terrible, in my opinion, but it did little to change the vote.

[Model35mech]

20. As I understand process to replace a candidate is a committee task

not a coronation, but definitely not up to every convention delegate and not at all something that will come to rank and file Dem voters.

My understanding is that process uses senior party members and superdelegates to pick the replacement.

[DemocraticPatriot]

78. It's only a DNC committee task if it happens AFTER the convention...

If she were nominated at the convention, she would be able to choose her own running mate, as usual-- presuming that the convention delegates would vote for her choice, as usual, in the Vice Presidential nomination balloting.

(Well, actually she could name one before being nominated officially-- there's nothing to prevent that.)

If either the presidential or vice presidential slot became vacant after the convention,
then the members of the Democratic National Committee would choose a replacement.

(The Vice Presidential nominee does not become the presidential nominee, unless the DNC voted as such).

However, if the presidential candidate was elected, and died between the election and the inauguration,
the Vice-President elect would be sworn in as president.

(We had long discussions about all this a few months back, and looked to the party rules about it.)

[bottomofthehill]

48. Perot's pick was admiral James Stockdale

Stockdale was a Navy Academy grad, he earned a Congressional Medal of Honor for his service in Viet Nam, he was the leader of the prisoners held in the Hanoi Hilton, he was held for years in captivity, he came home became an academic after retiring as an Admiral. Unfortunately, he got on stage and had a bad night, remind you of anyone …. Totally terrible, we should be so lucky. total hero.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

82. lol, when I was watching, I said "everything he says is related to the military"

Like if a car mechanic said, he is sharp, he is hitting on all cylinders.
He has a lot of horse power.

Shortly after I said that, Stockdale said, paraphrasing, "I'm out of ammunition, these guys know every nuance about this stuff"

It seemed Perot picked him mostly because he was a war hero, not because he was a great choice.

[bottomofthehill]

98. Perot actually picked him as a place holder

He did not plan on him
Actually being on the ticket but needed someone. Stockdale is an American Hero.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

111. Wow, that is an amazing piece of information! BTW the 'lol' was me remembering the "out of ammunition"

The anecdote is a highlight of my life, so I wanted to share it with you.

[John1956PA]

79. A certain comedian (whose name I will not mention) said . . .

. . . that Perot's V.P. pick (Admiral Stockdale) was a very good man for the job, but that Admiral Stockdale committed "the unpardonable sin of looking bad on television."

It should be pointed out that Perot selected Admiral Stockdale as an "interim" choice in order to meet the requirement (of many states) of having two candidates on a ticket. Perot's plan was that, if he advanced in the campaign, he would adjust his V.P. pick sometime in the summer of 1992. Because of Perot's dropping out and re-entering the race, Admiral Stockdale was on the Perot Independent ticket in November 1992.

I am not judging whether or not Admiral Stockdale was V.P. material, although he did have an impressive military record. Also, he had a hearing impairment which resulted from being tortured by his captors in the Viet Nam War. That hearing impairment, along with his lack of debating experience, worked against him in the 1992 V.P. debate.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

81. lol, when I was watching, I said "everything he says is related to the military"

Like if a car mechanic said, he is sharp, he is hitting on all cylinders.
He has a lot of horse power.

Shortly after I said that, Stockdale said, paraphrasing, "I'm out of ammunition, these guys know every nuance about this stuff"

It seemed Perot picked him mostly because he was a war hero, not because he was a great choice.

[John1956PA]

83. I made a small edit to my post.

I included the angle that the pick was meant to be of an *interim* nature.

Thanks for your reply. You and I were certainly two political junkies of that era.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

116. The lol was me remembering the "out of ammuntion". Amazing info about the interim thing.

I understood the comedy and I understand the hero part.
I didn't know about the interim.

But the anecdote is a highlight of my life, so I wanted to share it with you.

[John1956PA]

118. Thank you for your reply.

The "out of ammunition" remark is something which I had no knowledge of. When you mentioned it in a previous post, I was surprised that I had no recollection of it.

The *interim* designation may have been somewhat facetious on the part of Perot and Stockdale. I do not think that either of them thought that the campaign would develop legs.

Perot dropped out in June 1992 and re-entered on October 1, 1992, with Stockdale, again, as his running mate. Perot and his explanations were flaky. He had said that he dropped out because he did not want to send the election to the House, then later he said it was because of some type of threat to disrupt his daughter's wedding.

The legacy of Admiral Stockdale remains one of respect by those who have read about his career. Before his service in the Vietnam War, he evolved from a military strategist to a philosopher. After the Gulf of Tonkin lies which our government propogated, he accepted the reality that sometimes governnent and military take a devious course, but there is no way an armed forces service member can change the big picture in that moment. Years later, he sought to liberalize policy when he was president of The Citadel, and he was pushed out for his efforts. I think that he would have made an excellent presidential advisor.

[edisdead]

89. Believe what you like.

But it don’t mean a thing.

[valleyrogue]

41. I agree with this

but we have Hillary Clinton's candidacy to look back on. It was pure sexism at work. It would be a debacle for Dems to nominate somebody over Harris if Biden did the impossible and step aside. That is saying "no confidence."

I can't believe anybody is peddling Gavin Newsom. He is a lightning rod for the MAGAs.

[enid602]

45. VP

And can’t she pick Biden as VP? Sort of as a ‘fuck you’ to detractors. Any reason why she can’t do that? We’d have the same talent mix as we have now.

[budkin]

10. Newsom or Whitmer

Is what I heard.

[valleyrogue]

12. Neither has a chance

Newsom is tainted simply by being from California, just as VP Harris would be as presidential nominee. The Golden State is a lightning rod for red meat to the MAGAs and others.

Whitmer has no national following to be elected nationwide.

[BannonsLiver]

14. Meh

I get that nobody here wants to change horses and I don’t either, but it’s not necessary to take it out on other Dem pols. The California thing is just beyond silly, and no, I don’t live in California.

Magas don’t like California? In other news, water is wet. Also: Who gives a shit if they don’t like it. Imagine caring about that. Imagine selecting future nominees based on what Magas like. No thanks. 🙄

[Ontheboundry]

68. I read that

Gavin's appeal in the Midwest is really low. Biden is from Pennsylvania, and that appeals to the core of Midwestern folks,.specifically the independent/moderates

Gavin however is something else. I saw that poll,.and he was way under in the Midwest compared to Biden

[yorkster]

13. And skip Kamala? Terrible idea.

[Irish_Dem]

32. Skipping Kamala would be a problem I think.

But is the US ready for a female president?

[MistakenLamb]

121. It doesn't matter

I would rather lose with Kamala Harris than replace her with a white man or woman and still lose. You don't get to betray black voters particularly black women voters by stepping over. That happens Trump wins over 300 electoral votes. That level of betrayal will be a death blow to the Democratic Party

[Irish_Dem]

122. We are at war with the PutinGOP.

They will steal our democracy and burn it all down to get what they want.

The GOP will sell out our country to the highest bidder, and those bidders are our enemies.

So it matters a great deal how we handle this situation.
Our lives depend upon it.

It is not a time for delicate sensibilities and hurt feelings.

It is time to be in it to win it.

[MistakenLamb]

124. Skipping Harris for any man specifically a white man or woman would be the death sentence of the party period

I don't give a goddamn about GOPutin or whatever needing a white man on top if not Biden, you saying that is saying you take. black women the most loyal voting base for the Democratic Party. Kamala Harris is the best chance to beat Trump after Biden, period. Run anyone else Trump will win over 300 Electroral votes

[bucolic_frolic]

51. The G Ticket

Gretch and Gavin

[Demsrule86]

53. Newsome can't hold the rustbelt and it is way to late for a new candidacy. I love Whitmar but it is too late and I have

to wonder if a woman can win at this moment. I hope so. Shit a major publication just said that Taylor swift was a bad role model because she was unmarried at 34 and childless. Fuck that.

[doc03]

71. Newsom is from California, not a f----g chance. nt

[louis-t]

15. Newsom

The contrast would be really stark. A hobbling, old, orange creature or a young, energetic leader.

[yardwork]

17. The contrast is already stark.

A kind, decent, highly effective president vs a convicted felon who lies.

[kelly1mm]

108. This Governor Gavin Newsom?

:large

[louis-t]

126. Who would YOU suggest?

I'll get an ulcer if Biden stays in. Much as I love the guy, they're beating the hell out of him with "Disaster" reports about the debate..

[Blue Cape]

19. There is only one I could think of with a chance:

Mark Kelly.

[Attilatheblond]

25. Ah, no

Just NO

[whathehell]

52. What's wrong with Mark Kelly?

Just WHAT?

[Attilatheblond]

69. Nothing, he's a great guy,

He is not the best campaigner however. And we need our senators IN THE SENATE right now. I say this as an AZ voter. Leave him in the senate. We worked bloody hard to get him there and DEMs need him there.

[whathehell]

70. Ok, I understand you now. n/t.

[Irish_Dem]

34. He doesn't have the experience?

[Blue Cape]

38. An astronaut who has been Senator since 2021.

In today's world, he's good to run.

[Irish_Dem]

92. I suppose so.

That is the purpose of the primaries.

To determine who has the stomach to run a presidential campaign.

[Azathoth]

21. Harris. Newsom. Beshear. Whitmer. Shapiro. Hell, Mark Kelly

Dozens of other potentials. We're a pretty big freakin party.

This idea that somehow 81-year-old Joe is the only Democrat capable of taking on Trump is beyond insane.

[Irish_Dem]

37. This is why we would have to look at the polling numbers.

The big issue is the time frame. If it was a year ago it would be a different story.

[bottomofthehill]

49. Tim Waltz, Mitch Landreu

There are plenty to put under VP Harris, but knocking her off is tough. Maybe get Justice Sotomayor to step down and put the VP on the Court for life let’s you start with a clean slate.

[Attilatheblond]

22. There is ALWAYS a certain group that want

their fucking pony. Reality is not something some people grasp.

[LeftInTX]

23. A big food fight!!! Because that's what it will be!!!

[NickB79]

24. No new candidate could get enough donations this far behind Trump to counter his spending

Biden can't simply hand over the millions in this campaign coffers.

It's stupid at this point to even discuss it

[Attilatheblond]

26. Thank you!

It IS a stupid point and not worth discussion. Stupid, to the point of nearly suspicious IMHO.

[Blue Cape]

31. You are saying a 39, 602 post

poster is acting suspiciously?

But I thought high post count was the infallible way to show if someone "truly belonged" here?

Note: I don't think the OP is being suspicious. And paranoia is an awful companion.

[Attilatheblond]

33. Not what I said at all

It is the idea which is suspicious, not unlike a lot of that is pushed by main stream media lately.

[flamingdem]

96. I agree

The whole thing stinks not the OP!

[honest.abe]

29. Michelle Obama

[True Dough]

35. IF that ever happened

(and I think Michelle Obama would kick some butt), the right-wing nutjobs would say, "See! See! This was all a set up to get her in power." Some of them have been espousing that conspiracy theory for years.

But if would be worth having them say, "I told you so," if she could become the president.

[Blue Cape]

39. Mrs. Obama has been

unequivocally steadfast in her disinterest in elective politics, and has never wavered on that subject.

[honest.abe]

42. She could change her mind given the situation.

If Trump wins, her husband could be thrown in jail. That’s pretty motivating.. right?

[bottomofthehill]

50. Mrs Obama is bright

Princeton, Harvard Law, really fucking smart…… but qualifications for POTUS are pretty thin.

[honest.abe]

40. Indeed. I know she has said no way she would run..

However we are in a crisis situation and she might change her mind given the situation. She must realize that if Trump wins, her husband could very possibly be jailed.

[edisdead]

93. No! We are NOT in a crisis situation

The media (and some here) are trying ti manufacture a crisis situation.

[LisaL]

46. So you propose to bypass the VP and go with someone

who has no interest in being president. Sounds like a fine idea indeed.

[honest.abe]

67. We are in a crisis situation.

All that matters in winning in November.

[edisdead]

94. What crisis is that?

The one that UOU and the media are pretending we are in?

[honest.abe]

97. I don't want to argue or insult fellow Dems but this is indeed a crisis.

You are in serious denial if you don’t see it.

[True Dough]

85. I'm not proposing anything

If you read carefully, you'd notice that the poster before me brought up the idea and I expanded upon the speculation with "IF that ever happened..."

Have a good evening!

[Goodheart]

43. The one person who would be a guaranteed win: Michelle Obama

but my favorite politician is Pete Butegieg.... who I believe is the most intelligent and sharpest guy around.

[LisaL]

47. In what Universe is she going to have a guaranteed win?

[Funtatlaguy]

54. Oprah?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

72. Surgeon General Dr Phil?

Yeah, uh, no.

[roamer65]

55. I would support whomever the party convention selects.

Period.

[LisaL]

58. And here I thought we were voting for a candidate in primaries.

[roamer65]

60. We vote for pledged delegates to the convention.

If their pledged candidate is no longer available, they are then free to support whatever candidate they choose. The convention then goes into rounds of voting until a majority candidate emerges. It would make for some great TV.

That’s representative democracy.

[LisaL]

61. Well the pledged candidate is alive and well last I checked.

And yea, such a scenario would make for an entertaining TV viewing, but I fail to see how it would result in united party.

[roamer65]

65. Yes he is.

More than likely will be the nominee for the general election.

But the party could nominate cream cheese for the November general and I would vote for it over that scumsucking dengerate Dump.

[Metaphorical]

56. What I think few people consider

If Biden gets elected, Harris WILL be the VP and by extension if, in the absolute worst case scenario, Biden dies in office. This is a scenario that all too many in the pundit circle (and I"m noticing most of them fall into the "paid professional voice" category) want to avoid at all costs. This has been at the foundation of the "Biden is too old" argument from the beginning - not his age or his capabilities, but the possibility that we could have a President Kamala Harris.

Biden's fine. Harris is competent, not necessarily the absolute best choice, but a great choice nonetheless. Those calling for Biden's ouster at this point mainly have other axes to grind, and should be viewed accordingly.

[LisaL]

59. Yep, it makes zero sense to replace Biden with Harris before the election.

Harris is already a VP.

[Metaphorical]

62. Biden may choose to retire

if age DOES become an issue (and I trust him to know when that is). At that point, Harris will be President.

I've long had a feeling that Biden may actually do JUST that - get elected, spend the next couple of years securing things, then hand the reins off to Harris and retire in 2026. It would be just the kick in the seat of the pants that the Magats need, as they would be facing Madame President in 2028, not VP Harris. This carries a LOT more weight, Biden leaves on a high note, and the GOP, with a seriously decomposing Trump at that point, are forced to deal with an incumbent president.

Bwa-ha-ha!

[roamer65]

66. Very possible.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

74. That would be a cute trick, but I hope he serves all four years of the second term.

Then the Dem primary season will be a raucous hoot, with Newsom, Whitmer, Harris, and who knows who else? It will be a time of much spirited discussion on DU.

[Metaphorical]

91. I expect this will happen

However, I can see the above scenario play out if there was an actual crisis with Biden.

Keep in mind, I doubt that the age aspect would be that critical if Trump was in fact in full compos mentos. Both Democrats and Republicans have had Presidents who were disabled for part of their term - Woodrow Wilson suffered a stroke in 1919 that left him paralyzed and hospitalized, with Edith Wilson effectively stepping in as de facto president. Franklin Delano Rooseveldt, had health problems all his life, and ultimately died of a stroke at the fairly young age of 63, Reagan had Alzheimers throughout much of his second term. Biden is, by all indications, remarkably fit for someone in his 80s, and I suspect that while he's probably on the same kind of regimen of heart medications that I am, he has a good chance of living to 100.

Let's also talk about Trump. The man has lost a lot of weight, likely through Ozembic, which likely has placed significant stress on his heart, he likely has one or more STDs, has high arterial build-up from a poor diet, has had a fairly extreme case of Covid, and is under a huge amount of stress right now. Take away the spray tan and hair coloring (and extensions), he looks like an old man in his 90s. Moreover, he has a family history of demantia and Alzheimers, and is presenting more and more signs that this is accelerating. The GOP is not going to replace Donald Trump - not now that he has his claws in the organization.

There's a lot of projection going on in the media right now, deliberately NOT looking at how ill Trump is by turning this into a debate about Biden's age, and one bad outing (it happens, especially if you are dealing with a demanding schedule) should not be sufficient reason to have him step aside. Frankly, I think the media's going to try to fan the flames as much as they can, but Biden's continued strong showing AFTER the debate is making that much harder to do convincingly.

[flamingdem]

109. Creepy thing is that "the media" includes a lot of msnbc people and

the usual dem suspects who should be supporting Biden. At least they
don't have to help tRump by attacking Biden's performance.

What a gift to the GOP.

It's crazy because they should know there's no way Biden can step aside.

[Torchlight]

57. Matters little, Pres. Biden is the Democratic nominee for the 2024 election.

People can moan, whine, complain. jerk knees, and yell about falling skies, but it changes absolutely nothing (other than theor own blood pressure perhaps).

Pres Biden is our candidate to run for reelection in Nov. 2024; everything else is at best a distraction, and at worst, more Russian disinformation finding a wearm home in the lowest common denominaotrs of the political game.

[roamer65]

63. Probably true.

But there are no guarantees in life. Many thought that John Kennedy would be a two term president, sadly.

God rest his soul.

[Buckeyeblue]

64. It would have to be Harris. But it's a bad idea at this point

But if Biden decided to drop out, then it would have to be Harris. Then backfill the VP with a governor from a Great Lakes state.

[DemocraticPatriot]

73. How about, the fantasy island presidential candidate?? TUTU !!!

Except now he's anglo-saxon and 6 foot 5 inches tall!

Also, he's a multi-billionaire who can spend more of his own money on his campaign than Biden and Trump put together...

[Metaphorical]

99. Elon Musk?

nt

[DemocraticPatriot]

100. No, "Tutu" was the character's name....

in the now-forgotten TV series from about the late 1970s through the early 1980s--
"Fantasy Island" (ABC)

And my reference to that old TV series will serve as my assertion
that those who are proposing a 'replacement candidate' for President Biden
must be residents of 'Fantasy Island'....

"Tutu" was played by what we used to call a "midget" or a "dwarf"--
(I am not sure what the politically sensitive term would be nowadays, "small person" ?)

And in every episode when new guests were arriving to fulfill their fantasies,
he would run towards the airstrip screaming in his non-English accent,
"de plane, boss!! de plane!!!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_Island

[flamingdem]

110. Lol! I watched that.

Way to much in fact.

[DemocraticPatriot]

115. Yeah.... we didn't have so many channels to choose from,

way back when.... but "da plane!" seemed to be the most attention-grabbing part of the whole show, lol

[Polybius]

76. Hillary

Say what you want, but I love her.

[ColinC]

80. I have a wish list for 2028. But I'll tell you one thing:

If any of those people begin to call for Biden to step down, they will move from my wish list to my shit list immediately.

[Deep State Witch]

88. Gavin Newsome

They all seem to want Gavin Newsome. That's great, but Gavin has already said many times that he's not going to challenge Biden, and has a big enough job as Governor of CA.

[DonCoquixote]

103. harris must stay

let's not tell Black voters "fuck you" when Trump is trotting out right wing blacks. However, Whitmer might be a good choice for VP as it could get her her "national level" wings.

Of course, the people whop want Biden out are the same idiots who were hoping Bernie was in ..yeah cenk ugyur, I am looking at YOU.

[flamingdem]

112. Ugh. Memories of the last round

Cenk used to have his own show on MSNBC if memory serves.

The supposed progressive voice. Remember Ed whats his name oh Schulz. Went on to work for RTV.

[Deek1935]

106. He's not stepping down and the very thought of it is beyond crazy.

[flamingdem]

113. Why are otherwise sane pundits and msnbc hosts

pumping the idea?

It's curious. Usually they know the nuts and bolts of presidential elections.

It cannot be done and they (should) know this.

[Deek1935]

123. It is BULLSHIT political punditry theater trying to pump for ratings and headlines. It's CRAP. Ignore it.

[Groundhawg]

114. joe is my pick.

[LiberalFighter]

119. Someone who didn't want to bother with the primaries

[Jose Garcia]

120. Open convention?