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Privately, members of President Joe Biden’s family are trashing his top advisers over his disastrous performance at Thursday’s debate against Donald Trump.
Earlier this week, Biden struggled to give coherent answers while debating the former president, leading to many Democratic pundits and strategists urging him to step aside in the November race before the convention. Biden was joined by members of his family this weekend at Camp David, where they reportedly discussed the future of his campaign.
Members of Biden’s family privately put the blame on his top campaign advisers, urging the president to fire or demote them. Among the staffers singled out as being at fault were senior adviser Anita Dunn, the president’s attorney Bob Bauer, and former chief of staff Ron Klain, who helped him prepare for the debate, Politico reported. Three anonymous sources told Politico that it’s unlikely Biden will follow through with their advice and oust any of his close advisers
The family members are reportedly saying Biden was not given proper preparation to pivot and attack Trump during the debate, and that the focus was too much on defending his record to date, rather than outlining his goals for a second term. Moreover, family members reportedly claimed Biden was over-worked and not well-rested.
https://www.mediaite.com/biden/biden-family-privately-urges-president-to-fire-top-advisers-over-cnn-debate-disaster-report/
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J_William_Ryan
(3,268 posts)not so privately.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)
BeyondGeography
(40,790 posts)Do they have any other bright ideas?
highplainsdem
(59,549 posts)that he thought the prep team had overworked Biden and made a mistake trying to get him to give policy-wonk type responses. I posted some of Tom's tweets then.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219068704
Buzz cook
(2,829 posts)He was prepped to answer every lie Trump spouted. That's a fools errand because Trump can lie faster than anyone can answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop#:~:text=The%20Gish%20gallop%20(%2F%CB%88%C9%A1,or%20strength%20of%20those%20arguments.
Trying to answer all those lies puts the debater on the defensive and Biden should have been more on the offensive.
Oh and arguing about who's the better golfer? What was he thinking?
agingdem
(8,748 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:30 AM - Edit history (1)
it seems obvious the "Biden should withdraw" crowd didn't want a debate...they wanted Joe to return insult for insult, threat for threat...a barrage of zingers...no substance just "Gotcha!"...yes, Joe was nursing a head cold/a sore throat, however, anything resembling a debate was impossible from the get-go..the so-called moderators, Tapper/Bash (like Kaitlin Collins before them), were unable/unwilling to shut down Trump's bottomless pit of lies (and lies about lies)...referring to Trump as "Mr. President" they never insisted he stay on topic, thereby giving him a platform to spew his rally garbage... and yet, Biden was directed to answer questions or they would (and did) cut his mic...maybe Joe was over-prepared or just maybe he wrongly assumed Tapper/Bash would do their jobs...moderate, instead of pimp for Trump...
Buzz cook
(2,829 posts)No surprise there.
I don't think it had to be zingers and insult comedy.
Instead of Biden fact checking each lie, he could have said, 'that's a lie and tomorrow the facts checkers will explain it'. then he could have gone on to tout his accomplishments and plans for the future.
That's being aggressive, putting your own talking points first.
Another form would be to put Trump on the defensive when he lied, 'I'll cede 10 seconds if Mr. Trump can name the bill he signed to do xy or z'.
And then go back to self promotion.
Again the tactic with a "Gish Gallop" is not to try answer all the bullshit.
Boomerproud
(9,108 posts)nt
Buzz cook
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betsuni
(28,633 posts)
emulatorloo
(46,135 posts)Necessary to read The Politico w a huge boulder of salt.
Haggard Celine
(17,642 posts)going to be bad. When I saw Biden come out and saw how pale he was and how generally awful he looked, I thought it was going to be a bad night. He never should have gone out on that stage in that condition.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)He came out looking pale and waved to the moderators but some say to an empty audience.
He was over loaded with information and not feeling well didn't help. He'll get tRump in September and then again in November
Cosmocat
(15,333 posts)There was a lot of reporting on how they had him "holed up" preparing all week.
Didn't like that, can't get someone too wound up for something like this.
And, totally agree if the reporting was to try to intellectually counter everything Trump lied about was huge mistake.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It wasn't a great performance, but he had to go through with it.
GoCubsGo
(34,624 posts)If they said it, I believe it. 
LymphocyteLover
(9,279 posts)spent valuable time talking about $35 insulin and other relatively small details, nothing on climate change or abortion. and not framing the critical choice in this election between democracy and fascism
Deminpenn
(17,272 posts)Those things are what's on the minds of many Americans right now.
As for firing Dunn and Klain, they've been with Biden his entire career. He's not firing them. They're as much family as Jill, Hunter and the rest.
LymphocyteLover
(9,279 posts)given the stakes of this election
Hekate
(100,131 posts)Whoever had this idea in the first place should be assigned to some other task, like fetching Cofeve.
Trump does not “debate.” He does the Gish Gallop. No one can control him, and so far no moderator ever has.