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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:30 AM Jul 2024

BREAKING: SC issues Immunity ruling

Case remanded to district Court to distinguish between official and unofficial acts.

ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which THOMAS,
ALITO, GORSUCH, and KAVANAUGH, JJ., joined in full, and in which BAR-
RETT, J., joined except as to Part III–C. THOMAS, J., filed a concurring
opinion. BARRETT, J., filed an opinion concurring in part. SOTOMAYOR,
J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which KAGAN and JACKSON, JJ., joined.
JACKSON, J., filed a dissenting opinion.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

Taking into account these competing considerations, the Court con-
cludes that the separation of powers principles explicated in the
Court’s precedent necessitate at least a presumptive immunity from
criminal prosecution for a President’s acts within the outer perimeter
of his official responsibility. Such an immunity is required to safe-
guard the independence and effective functioning of the Executive
Branch, and to enable the President to carry out his constitutional du-
ties without undue caution. At a minimum, the President must be
immune from prosecution for an official act unless the Government can
show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no
“dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive
Branch.” Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 754. Pp. 12–15.
(3) As for a President’s unofficial acts, there is no immunity. Alt-
hough Presidential immunity is required for official actions to ensure
that the President’s decisionmaking is not distorted by the threat of
future litigation stemming from those actions, that concern does not
support immunity for unofficial conduct. Clinton, 520 U. S., at 694,
and n. 19. The separation of powers does not bar a prosecution predi-
cated on the President’s unofficial acts. P. 15.
(b) The first step in deciding whether a former President is entitled
to immunity from a particular prosecution is to distinguish his official
from unofficial actions. In this case, no court thus far has drawn that
distinction, in general or with respect to the conduct alleged in partic-
ular. It is therefore incumbent upon the Court to be mindful that it is
“a court of final review and not first view.” Zivotofsky v. Clinton, 566
U. S. 189, 201. Critical threshold issues in this case are how to differ-
entiate between a President’s official and unofficial actions, and how
to do so with respect to the indictment’s extensive and detailed allega-
tions covering a broad range of conduct. The Court offers guidance on
those issues. Pp. 16–32.

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BREAKING: SC issues Immunity ruling (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2024 OP
They punted Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #1
Anything short of straight-up murder will be considered an "official act." NYC Liberal Jul 2024 #7
What Bullshit! edhopper Jul 2024 #2
No surprises here, but the devil is in the details Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #3
Direct link to ruling RandomNumbers Jul 2024 #4
No immunity for unoffical acts Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #5
IOW, Delay, delay, delay. nt RandomNumbers Jul 2024 #8
You beat the NY Times Bobstandard Jul 2024 #6
And of course nothing before the election....... a kennedy Jul 2024 #9

Johnny2X2X

(21,417 posts)
1. They punted
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

District court to decide on official v unoffical acts. But official acts they have absolute immunity.

NYC Liberal

(20,330 posts)
7. Anything short of straight-up murder will be considered an "official act."
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:35 AM
Jul 2024

If the president is a Republican, that is.

edhopper

(34,605 posts)
2. What Bullshit!
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

They could have done that the week they took the case.

It is so obvious how corrupt they are.

Johnny2X2X

(21,417 posts)
5. No immunity for unoffical acts
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:33 AM
Jul 2024

They basically punted it to lower courts to decide what is official and unoffical. It will basically end up in front of the SCOTUS again IMO.

Bobstandard

(1,619 posts)
6. You beat the NY Times
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 10:35 AM
Jul 2024

Not kidding

They’re probably spinning how this is another reason Biden should, of, you know …

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