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highplainsdem

(61,926 posts)
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:17 PM Jul 2024

Adam Schiff on today's SC immunity decision





Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff

Today’s Supreme Court decision on Donald Trump’s immunity claim is far worse than anything I imagined...

Effectively giving a president immunity for any crimes committed while in office as long as that president can plausibly claim the action was taken in some form of official capacity.

It must now be presumed that the president, as king, is immune from accountability.

The rule of law applies to everyone except the most powerful person on Earth.

It would be difficult to overstate how much this opinion shifts the balance of power away from Congress and towards the presidency, and how unshackled a corrupt president will now be. The Court gives the president absolute power, and it will corrupt him, absolutely.

As Justice Sotomayor says so powerfully, this new immunity ‘now lies about like a loaded weapon’ for any President that wishes to place his own interests, his own political survival, or his own financial gain, above the interests of the Nation.’

The Court holds that when a president acts within his ‘core’ authority, he is fully immune.

And when he acts outside his core authority, but in an official capacity, the presumption of immunity is so strong as to be nearly absolute.

Even if he acts in a purely personal capacity, and the Court majority gives no indication of when that would be, his statements while acting officially may not be used as evidence, and his motives may not be questioned.

Having taken up a case they never should have, having waited until the last day to issue the opinion, having known it was the defendant’s strategy to deny justice by delaying it, the Court now remands the case for further proceedings of indeterminate length, ensuring there will be no accountability for Trump’s insurrectionist crimes before the election.

During his abortive coup attempt, Trump told his acting attorney general and other top Justice Department officials to ‘just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.’

Now the Supreme Court says he is immune from ordering his Justice Department to lie, and the evidence of his malice, his very words, may not be used as evidence against him.

Under this ruling, a president can order the assassination or jailing of their political rival, and be immune. They can take a bribe in exchange for an official act, and still be immune. They can organize a military coup to hold onto power, and still be immune. If that sounds mad, that’s because it is.

This is a day that will live in legal infamy.

When justices on the Court that bears Roberts’ name, paid back their appointment by a corrupt president with an opinion that provides immunity to all corrupt presidents, and weakened our democracy and the rule of law for the ages.

Our only remedy is the ballot box, a new congress, and a new Court — that has more reverence for the Constitution than the lust for power.

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12:33 PM · Jul 1, 2024



The emphasis there was added by Schiff.
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Adam Schiff on today's SC immunity decision (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2024 OP
The last line has a real gut punch effect on me. Whoosh. flying_wahini Jul 2024 #1
Same here. highplainsdem Jul 2024 #38
Six Supreme Court Justices have betrayed our nation The Unmitigated Gall Jul 2024 #2
Truly the only solution now is to add four sane justices to the court. Lonestarblue Jul 2024 #7
I still think Biden should find a way... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #3
He just has to fire 6 of them EndlessWire Jul 2024 #8
Would the court operate with 3? Think. Again. Jul 2024 #12
Any number we want EndlessWire Jul 2024 #13
So Biden simply ordering the kidnapping the 6.... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #14
With this ruling, he could legally remove anyone from the court. Probatim Jul 2024 #28
Oh no need to worry about that ... Persondem Jul 2024 #36
I remember hearing that markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #31
I've now seen a congressman say it's a big deal, and a congressman Buns_of_Fire Jul 2024 #4
Adam, after you are elected to the US Senate, we are counting on you republianmushroom Jul 2024 #5
This ruling will spell the end of America as a democracy if Trump is allowed back in office. captain queeg Jul 2024 #6
This ruling is part and parcel of a right wing coup Botany Jul 2024 #9
Right wing coup is exactly what it is. StarryNite Jul 2024 #29
When in 2000 when the Supreme Court under Sandy Day O'Conner ruled that the counting of Botany Jul 2024 #37
I would give my life at this point The Unmitigated Gall Jul 2024 #10
Not a lawyer SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #11
Seems to me this is a culmination of the plan the Republicans have had for decades. Boomerproud Jul 2024 #15
and george washington did not want to be king . AllaN01Bear Jul 2024 #16
Unless somehow reversed this ruling will stand should Trumpy lose until another ShitGibbon Republican is elected and NoMoreRepugs Jul 2024 #17
So has Trump responded on this? Diraven Jul 2024 #18
"The SCOTUS ruling on IMMUNITY is clear as Day they have put Project 2025 in motion.💯" Cha Jul 2024 #19
100% oasis Jul 2024 #45
Kick dalton99a Jul 2024 #20
Believe it's time we start advertising that Biden will need KS Toronado Jul 2024 #21
Legal infamy ananda Jul 2024 #22
This is a very different tone from what Swalwell wrote... Don't Panic! liberalla Jul 2024 #23
That's how bad it is orangecrush Jul 2024 #24
Spot on as usual. Infamy is right. Drumpf was giddy with this"decision." Evolve Dammit Jul 2024 #25
Just imagine what drumpf will do with this blank check JoseBalow Jul 2024 #26
We probably don't need to get too creative RunnoDeMille Jul 2024 #42
+1... myohmy2 Jul 2024 #27
There are other remedies to this madness. Captain Zero Jul 2024 #30
Don't even THINK it!.. RunnoDeMille Jul 2024 #39
This Court Just Ensured Its Legacy... GB_RN Jul 2024 #32
They are counting the days and hours until their lord & master is re-elected. japple Jul 2024 #33
Thanks, Naderoids; Thanks, SwiftBoaters; Thanks "Alternative to Hillary-ite's" NBachers Jul 2024 #34
Don't forget the [LET SOMEONE ELSE] KEEP ABORTION LEGAL! [BUSH KEPT US SAFE, TRUMP MADE US ENERGY INDEPENDENT] Crowd! RunnoDeMille Jul 2024 #40
Old Shoe DEMS deserve our share of blame.. Young Righties, Russians & Tech Savvy N. Koreans Have Run Circles 'Round Us RunnoDeMille Jul 2024 #43
Oh, he'll claim he thought the country was in grave danger from an illegal election Warpy Jul 2024 #35
SIX Rogue Justices Can Devise a Lot of Invalid Pretexts! RunnoDeMille Jul 2024 #41
Schiff says it best! Martin Eden Jul 2024 #44

Lonestarblue

(13,460 posts)
7. Truly the only solution now is to add four sane justices to the court.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jul 2024

It’s devastating that Biden is unwilling and Democrats do not hold enough votes to get it done. This court has done more to destroy democratic principles and norms than any court in my lifetime and perhaps in history. It rules for the wealth elites, those who are denying voting rights to minorities, those who want unfettered capitalism with no regulations to protect people’s health or safety, and the religious right that wants to deny all women the right to decide when and if they will become parents and the right to have life-saving medical care when a pregnancy has severe complications.

We are now stuck with this court for decades, and they are hell bent on preserving power for the rich and white

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
3. I still think Biden should find a way...
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:29 PM
Jul 2024

...to use this judgement in order to have it reversed.

Illegally removing and replacing the 6 justices and then having the question reconsidered is an idea that comes to mind.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
8. He just has to fire 6 of them
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jul 2024

the ones that are biased in favor of authoritarian monarchs. We just need 3 Justices for now.

Maybe we need Congress to expand the Court, but maybe Joe could just add a term limit to the court, and kick them off now.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
12. Would the court operate with 3?
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 03:12 PM
Jul 2024

If so, then yes, remove the 6, charge with insurrection for this decision, detain them somewhere until a trial can be started, and in the meantime re-hear the immunity case.

Edit to add; Don't worry about the legality of any of it, it's official business.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
14. So Biden simply ordering the kidnapping the 6....
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 03:30 PM
Jul 2024

....and holding them against their will in an undisclosed location for however long he wants to would be best then.

It would be legal and it would be clean.

Or Biden just personally revokes their citizenship and orders them deported.

The remaining 3 can go about their court business and anyone can bring a case that would result in overturning this completely unconstitutional decision.

But since Biden does the kidnapping or deporting before it's overturned, it's all still legal (and fun).

Edit to add;

The point would be to do something horrendous that absolutely shows how wrong this decision is.

Probatim

(3,279 posts)
28. With this ruling, he could legally remove anyone from the court.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:51 PM
Jul 2024

The downside (and one that is highly possible should another R be elected president) is that the next R president will remove those who aren't in line with his plans.

Persondem

(2,101 posts)
36. Oh no need to worry about that ...
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 05:30 PM
Jul 2024

The VP is a democrat and the VP is the person who officiates the counting of the electoral votes. As Stalin (sort of) said ".... it's the person counting the votes who has the power."

Hence, no more R presidents :>

markodochartaigh

(5,524 posts)
31. I remember hearing that
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jul 2024

it would be possible to have the supreme court justices rotate through the circuit courts. Apparently this would be entirely legal.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,147 posts)
4. I've now seen a congressman say it's a big deal, and a congressman
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jul 2024

(Swalwell - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219085610 ) say it's not really a big deal.

What the Supremes have delivered is, in basketball terms, a jump ball. And another welcome delay for the horse's ass from Florida.

republianmushroom

(22,297 posts)
5. Adam, after you are elected to the US Senate, we are counting on you
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jul 2024

to do what you can to correct this total fuck up by Roberts supreme court.

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
6. This ruling will spell the end of America as a democracy if Trump is allowed back in office.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:33 PM
Jul 2024

The right wing in their zeal to make abortions illegal and force their religious views onto the rest of us have destroyed the very foundation of democracy, that no one is above the law and we have no king. Thanks to the Roberts Supreme Court for destroying 248 years of the longest running democracy in modern times and quite possibly extinguishing that light forever.

Botany

(77,261 posts)
9. This ruling is part and parcel of a right wing coup
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 02:47 PM
Jul 2024

So a totally corrupt man who installed by
a hostile foreign power (Russia) in what was
nothing short of an act of war is being given
cover for his criminal behavior by The Supreme Court? Republicans know they are doomed by
the population demographics and their unpopular policies are using the SCOTUS to
cling to power. We are still paying for bush v Gore and the damage caused by a multi billion dollar misinformation networks.

"They" are going for the kill shot.

StarryNite

(12,104 posts)
29. Right wing coup is exactly what it is.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:58 PM
Jul 2024

Right now Biden is in power, let's hope he uses that power and uses it wisely. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Botany

(77,261 posts)
37. When in 2000 when the Supreme Court under Sandy Day O'Conner ruled that the counting of
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 07:58 PM
Jul 2024

… the vote of legal American voters was illegal the right’s coup was underway
and in 2016 when McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Steve Scalise knowingly let Russia
install Trump as POTUS the coup was there and on 1/6/21 players like Chuck
Grassley and all those phony electoral voters were into the coup big time. Today’s
ruling by the SCOTUS is more of the same.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
10. I would give my life at this point
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 03:07 PM
Jul 2024

To see these six scumbags naked and horsewhipped on the Capitol Mall.

SamuelTheThird

(1,096 posts)
11. Not a lawyer
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 03:10 PM
Jul 2024

This sounds bad though-

(3) Presidents cannot be indicted based on conduct for which they are immune from prosecution. On remand, the District Court must carefully analyze the indictment’s remaining allegations to determine whether they too involve conduct for which a President must be immune from prosecution. And the parties and the District Court must ensure that sufficient allegations support the indictment’s charges without such conduct. Testimony or private records of the President or his advisers probing such conduct may not be admitted as evidence at trial. Pp. 30–32

Boomerproud

(9,280 posts)
15. Seems to me this is a culmination of the plan the Republicans have had for decades.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

Build from the local level, appoint conservative /activist judges from top to bottom and have a monopoly on the media. Their goal has always been complete power that will last for decades- all financed by the ultra-rich. They have succeeded.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,049 posts)
17. Unless somehow reversed this ruling will stand should Trumpy lose until another ShitGibbon Republican is elected and
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:06 PM
Jul 2024

exercises its ambiguity - or am I mistaken?

Diraven

(1,891 posts)
18. So has Trump responded on this?
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:08 PM
Jul 2024

I'm expecting some sort of rambling announcement about his being "totally exonerated", and then a list of (now totally legal) "official" revenge actions he'll take on all his political enemies as soon as he's elected.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
21. Believe it's time we start advertising that Biden will need
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 04:14 PM
Jul 2024

both Houses of Congress in Democratic hands if voters want to see real reform with SCOTUS in 2025.
And right now the time is ripe to start that journey.

RunnoDeMille

(21 posts)
42. We probably don't need to get too creative
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 09:52 PM
Jul 2024

WORSE will be the global shaming that Americans enlightened enough to register it will never overcome. Worse than that will be the elevation of Gaetz, Carlson, Vance, Posobiec, Gorka, Fitton, Ramaswamy, Shapiro, Fuentes, Kirk to real political power & position.

RunnoDeMille

(21 posts)
39. Don't even THINK it!..
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 09:26 PM
Jul 2024

.... I'm TIRED of hearing my better angel droning "Another 1000 phone banking calls would make you feel better and be MUCH more constructive!" after I see another day's bad news.

GB_RN

(3,554 posts)
32. This Court Just Ensured Its Legacy...
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 05:17 PM
Jul 2024

Is as notoriously bad, or worse, than Chief Justice Roger Taney’s. And Taney was responsible for Dred Scott v. Sanford, the decision that said “that enslaved people were not citizens of the United States and, therefore, could not expect any protection from the federal government or the courts. The opinion also stated that Congress had no authority to ban slavery from a Federal territory.” And Dred Scott is widely regarded as one of the absolute worst rulings in SCOTUS history.

Fuck you, Roberts. And a huge fuck you to Clarence (Uncle Slappy*) Thomas, Scammy Alito, Justice Beerbong, Goresuck and the Handmaiden.

*The late, great Bartcop (Bartcop.com) came up with this one. Meant to depict Thomas as a clown - and indeed, Bart had a photoshopped picture of Thomas in clown makeup.

japple

(10,459 posts)
33. They are counting the days and hours until their lord & master is re-elected.
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

They are lining it up for him the bastards.

RunnoDeMille

(21 posts)
40. Don't forget the [LET SOMEONE ELSE] KEEP ABORTION LEGAL! [BUSH KEPT US SAFE, TRUMP MADE US ENERGY INDEPENDENT] Crowd!
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 09:31 PM
Jul 2024

RunnoDeMille

(21 posts)
43. Old Shoe DEMS deserve our share of blame.. Young Righties, Russians & Tech Savvy N. Koreans Have Run Circles 'Round Us
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 09:57 PM
Jul 2024

Warpy

(114,585 posts)
35. Oh, he'll claim he thought the country was in grave danger from an illegal election
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 05:25 PM
Jul 2024

but I can't see anyone in the legal system particularly impressed by an erroneous belief, no matter how deeply held and how many anonymous bloggers backed that belief. Delusion has never impressed a judge or jury.

So even when His Corpulence will argue what a great patriot he is in doing everything to protect the country from an election that was clearly not in his favor, they will not be particularly impressed.

Trying to cling to office after an electoral defeat is not part of the job.

RunnoDeMille

(21 posts)
41. SIX Rogue Justices Can Devise a Lot of Invalid Pretexts!
Mon Jul 1, 2024, 09:35 PM
Jul 2024

They'll find a way. A fight at Popeyes will be cited as justification to enact the Project 25 EMERGENCY POLICE POWERS riot act!

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