Biden can now officially declare Project 2025 a terrorist document order the arrest all named in it & attached to it.

[ancianita]

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Biden can officially order all paper and online publishing of the document destroyed, all websites attached to it shut down. He's commander-in-chief: he doesn't have to obey the 1st Amendment.

Biden now has no checks on his presidential power. But his conscience. SCOTUS & TRUMP KNOW THIS.

EDIT: Biden, even if he were to lose (which he won't) ALSO has until next Jan 19 to thoroughly clean house through official acts.

We'll find out where Biden might be headed when he addresses the nation tonight on the immunity ruling.

[StarryNite]

1. I really wish he would do that.

[ancianita]

4. trumpmafia -- rethugs, their oligarch funders (the Koch network), and six maga justices --know he won't.

[kacekwl]

43. Republican scum

would do it in a NY minute.

[mitch96]

48. At least make it so no FELON can become president..nt

[ancianita]

64. How could that work? You might have to rewrite the Constitution, right?

[The Unmitigated Gall]

2. The scumbag 6 have calculated that Biden won't.

And they know that Trump will.

[Traurigkeit]

49. Dark Brandon ?

[The Unmitigated Gall]

51. Let's hope.

It's time for ALL of us to fight.

[Quakerfriend]

3. Thank u anci! Excellent first step!!

[Think. Again.]

5. That is the truth.

But after today's rulung, Biden would SAFER if he blatantly committed a crime, such as hiring a hit-man to threaten the lives of everyone he suspects is attached to it if they don't stop immediately and forever.

This ruling can NOT stand.

[ancianita]

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WITH you on Biden testing this out. I hope Biden knows how to use this ruling. He's got from now until next Jan 20 to decide.

Biden's Christian conscience must remember that God has literally said in the Word that He loves just and good governance, and will know Biden's heart.

Bannon says that maga is battle ready. Put in power worshipper christian nationalist terms, they think they'll be fighting for a power god, but they'll really be fighting for antichrist.

I know folks don't want to hear any religious framing, but it's out there in the minds of 51+ percent of Democrats who are Jesus Christians, 60% of Catholics who want pro-choice and who don't listen to human popes. It's also in the minds of christian power warriors who want power, not "as above, so below" -- who might start civil war-like skirmishes designed to create chaos.

[edisdead]

59. The wording says Deemed Official

Nothing Biden does to stop this is going to be deemed official.

I think people are missing that part.

The USSC just took over the country essentially.

[Think. Again.]

60. Yes, the sc left that important part out...

...and I don't condone or suggest this but, under this ruling, the sc6 could be dissapeared by an illegal act ordered by a President, and depending on whatever the rest of the sc decides, that crime could be considered an official act.

This ruling can not stand.

[Kid Berwyn]

6. Yeah. That's the ticket.

Lock up the signatories. And all their friends.

[ancianita]

10. AND follow the money, arrest all the funders and writers and distributors.

[Kid Berwyn]

11. Start with Mrs. John Roberts. She knows who's who and what's what of how much.

“They come to me.” — Jane Roberts, wife of Chief Justice John Roberts.

It isn't just Thomas and Alito. Each of the three other Putin picks have hands in cookie jars that need scrutiny.

[ancianita]

12. Absolutely. Every last maga justice.

[RVN VET71]

41. You're too easy on them.

First of all, forcibly order, by official Executive Order, Alito, and Thomas, and Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh, and little Amy to resign from their positions and either agree to wear ankle bracelets or publicly admit that they 1) support right wing extremism, 2)do not believe at all in stare decisis (and therefore perjured themselves in their confirmation hearings) and 3) lack the integrity and sense of constitutional duty to be on the Supreme Court.

Would such actions be illegal? Who cares? If the President issues an EO to clean out the rifraff in SCOTUS it would be an official act, after all, right. So no crime, right?

(If only our guy could suspend his own sense of decency and honor for just a few months . . . .but then he'd be acting like Donnie Fatso, wouldn't he?)

[Zeitghost]

62. Immunity

Doesn't make illegal acts binding or constitutional. It makes the President giving such orders immune from criminal prosecution for attempting them. The courts would still over ride every one of them and would still have the power to do so.

[RVN VET71]

72. "John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it." A. Jackson

He who has the guns makes the rules.

Make no mistake, no Democratic President would choose autocratic rule. And I'm not saying that President Biden would or should take advantage of the SCOTUS ruling on immunity.

But the fGOP, the fascists, certainly would. Even if, with Trump as President, his sycophantic Supreme Court tried to block him (and it really wouldn't, but if it did) he'd just ignore their decisions and move full speed ahead with whatever plan to kill, incarcerate, or "resettle" his political adversaries and their followers.

[Zeitghost]

73. None of that has anything to do with the immunity decision

And the decision doesn't make any of that more likely or legal.

[RVN VET71]

75. My mistake

Here I thought that SCOTUS decision gave the Executive the power to commit what would otherwise be considered crimes as long as they were what the Executive claimed to be official acts of the President. Now, granted the decision also did not prohibit investigations and court trials, etc. But all such trials that didn't vindicate the President would wind up in front of SCOTUS, and SCOTUS has made its position on the matter very clear.

My point was that, even should SCOTUS not find in favor of POTUS, POTUS could invoke Andy Jackson and just ignore them.

Of course the matter is not all settled as yet. The primary purpose of SCOTUS actions was simply to delay the cases pending against Trump until after the election. So SCOTUS gave Trump a get out of jail card -- actually a get out of trial card, to clear the way for him to move forward towards the election without distractions from things like his crimes and treason.

Chief Justice Roberts specifically did NOT give the president absolute immunity, but any action he might take as President would be judged on its merits -- and what I'm saying is that, once the decision is made to litigate those merits, Trump has won.

Weak kneed and spineless Chief Justice Roberts:

"We conclude that under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power requires that a former President have some immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts during his tenure in office. At least with respect to the President’s exercise of his core constitutional powers, this immunity must be absolute. As for his remaining official actions, he is also entitled to immunity. At the current stage of proceedings in this case, however, we need not and do not decide whether that immunity must be absolute, or instead whether a presumptive immunity is sufficient."

It could have been written by Old Hickory, himself.

[Bilbo Baggins]

7. Arrest and Jail Trump Now

The current POTUS now has the authority to arrest and jail citizens that are an extreme danger to our Democracy. Donald Trump should immediately face a Presidential Tribunal led by the current POTUS Delegate to determine Trump’s sentence for his actions against the U.S. Constitution. This is the new world we live in. We should not wait for a possible Trump presidency to test it.

Thank you.

[red dog 1]

42. (Posted on X today): Look at the latitude Biden now has to work on "official acts," Can't one of them be to jail Trump?

Welcome to DU!

[marble falls]

69. Chill. A past President has ordered an American citizens killed in a foreign nation ...

... a native born American who converted to Islam. The citizen's father sued that President to stop that killing and lost. Guess who that President was.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/the-secret-memo-that-explains-why-obama-can-kill-americans/246004/

[malaise]

9. Yep

Rec

[JoseBalow]

13. Dark Brandon Unleashed

[Bluethroughu]

14. Yes!

Domestic terrorists!

[ancianita]

18. Exactly. Domestic terrorist planning document created by the writers, funders and distributors.

[paleotn]

15. They don't think Dems will ever go there.

They're going to be very surprised where Dems will go with this. The gloves come off tonight.

[ancianita]

19. How could they not, right? Dems and their president know how to use this law to stop a criminal mafia.

Joe has got to give at least a hint of how he will apply this SCOTUS ruling. His speech tonight will hint at the official acts he'll execute, specially when he gets a second term.

[paleotn]

29. I don't know exactly how. Biden and his admin may not yet know exactly how...

But I get the distinct feeling SCOTUS and Trump "fucked with the wrong Marine."

[ancianita]

31. The day Biden wept when he left his Delaware home,

I could tell that knew he would be an FDR, and like FDR, I felt that when it comes to preserving democracy, he knew he would die trying.

[MichMan]

77. He could take the precedent of FDR's internment camps of Japanese -Americans, and apply it to the GOP.

Arrest every single Republican elected official and seize their property.

[OneGrassRoot]

20. Gawd, I hope so. n/t

[paleotn]

34. In my mind, why not?

SCOTUS have given the Biden admin carte blanche in the realm of "official acts." This President may very well take them up on it. I sure as shit would. SCOTUS would rue the day they made this ruling. Repukes would look back on it as Al Nakba. Literally, the catastrophe.

[OneGrassRoot]

35. I'm with you...

I wouldn’t want to, nor have President Biden, actually break laws, but I would be petty AF. Do stuff to counteract the tsunami of fascism; effective, righteous pettiness. But I wouldn’t even try to act like I’m not furious.

[UTUSN]

16. K&R

[Richard D]

17. While I would never suggest such a thing . . .

. . . he could . . . OK, I won't say it. But he could!

[ancianita]

21. It's perfectly legal for you to suggest such a thing! We have to win in November. This ruling can be used to that end

Keep the faith. Joe's got this.

[Diraven]

22. Nope

Only if a court agrees it's an official act and the the Supreme Court agrees with that court when it's appealed. The ruling today lets the current SCOTUS ultimately decide that only Trump is immune for official criminal acts, not Biden.

[ancianita]

26. I hear you.

But the SCOTUS ruling is FOR ALL TIME. Let them try to overrule Biden as an "exception."

[Captain Zero]

52. Right arrest them if they try

To contravene their own decision.

[ancianita]

55. Exactly. An official act is ordering arrests. Or invoking the Insurrection Act,

so that Biden's powers as CiC are expanded in the interests of the national security of the People of the United States.

Evidence -- communications, documents -- that come from the "public record" belong to the PUBLIC, and so to their Special Counsel representative in the federal court. Not the president. Unless, today, the SCOTUS has stripped the People of the United States of their ownership of government communications.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. It does potentially strengthen the Executive's power to defend the State

Question is how to use it, how not to enrage the public, how to defeat adversaries of the State. Selling the State to Russia was a clear violation.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

65. Magas are terminally pissed off

At some point you gotta say fuck what the entire right wing thinks, fuck their widdle maga feelings.

[FakeNoose]

24. Yes! also important would be to de-certify the Heritage Foundation which authored it

The Heritage Foundation has to go, and Joe Biden has the power (presidential immunity) to run them out of business. They are anti-American and anti-democratic, as well as a security threat to our country.

[ancianita]

27. Exactly, and all the pipeline that produced this domestic terrorism document.

[Cha]

28. TY.. I like your Positivity.. Looking on the Bright Side!

[ancianita]

30. YW ...We Democrats must persevere.

[Cha]

32. A Heavy Challenge But We're UP For IT!!

Unite!

[ancianita]

33. WE HAVE TO BE! FOR OUR DESCENDANTS, RIGHT?

[Cha]

36. YES The KIDS and Their Kids Ad Infimum

The Ultimate Responsibility!

[kelly1mm]

37. He could, and within hours that action would be put on hold by a Federal judge issuing an

injunction. Said injunction would almost certainly be upheld as the action is clearly unconstitutional. Further, if he was so stupid to do such a thing I would hope that a quick and speedy impeachment and Senate conviction would follow. The USA has to repudiate dictatorial actions no matter who takes those actions.

Today's ruling DOES NOT effect judicial review at all.

[ancianita]

39. Let the judge enforce it. Let SCOTUS make Biden an exception.

[Bilbo Baggins]

50. We are not winning right now...

Yeah, this is a steep uphill battle all the way.
Dems need help from…there’s no GOP left, who then? God? Oh my…are there enuf Dems?

[ancianita]

63. Are you serious? On what facts do you base this claim?

[William769]

68. Your concern is noted.

[Old Enough 2]

38. Rethugs Will Block Biden If Elected

Time to use Supreme Court decision for Trump, PROJECt 2025, and the destruction of DEMOCRACY as basis to arrest, incarcerate and if necessary terminate these scumbags before November election. Trump, win or lose will use MTG CONGRESS to jump through hoops to nullify any Biden win. Time for a Biden preemptive legal strike under new rules.

[ancianita]

40. Yes. Biden must make a preemptive strike. I like the way you think.

[kelly1mm]

47. This decision only provides immunity for the President. He cannot do any of those things

without other people actually 'doing the deed'. Those people are still liable for their actions. So unless you want President Biden personally to be 'busting caps' (and it better be of federal land) then your Team Blue Benevolent Dictator fantasy, alas will not be forthcoming. Even if it somehow did I would hope and expect a quick impeachment and conviction in the congress. The USA needs to repudiate dictatorial actions, period.

Further, any such move by the President would be challenged immediately in the Federal Courts and within hours (at most) an injunction would be issued halting such actions. This ruling does not effect judicial review of Presidential actions at all.

[ancianita]

53. Biden can pardon all those who "do the deed." Pardoning has been ruled absolute today.

[kelly1mm]

54. Only for federal crimes. Murder is generally a state crime. The pardon power has always been absolute. nt

[ancianita]

58. That gives Biden's operations people a lot of latitude. There are 7 instances where "taking out" someone is federal.

1. the assassination is of a federal judge or a federal law enforcement official (for example, an agent of the FBI, TSA, or ATF),
2. the killing is of an immediate family member of a federal law enforcement official,
3. the murder is of an elected or appointed federal official (for example, the President, a Supreme Court Justice, a member of Congress, or the murder of a federal judge),
4. the killing is committed during a bank robbery,
5. the killing takes place aboard a ship at sea (for example, on a vessel that is engaged in interstate commerce per the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution),
6. the murder was designed to influence a court case, and
7. the killing takes place on federal property (for example, on national parks or a Native American reservation).

[kelly1mm]

67. His operations people don't have Presidential immunity. I suppose if

you think President Biden himself is going to start popping caps you would be correct that he could not be held liable criminally. However a speedy impeachment and conviction should, and I hope would follow in congress.

[ancianita]

71. His pardon power is absolute. The SCOTUS just ruled that.

[Zeitghost]

74. Pardon power was already absolute

n/t

[red dog 1]

44. K&R

He can, but will he?



Whether he does or not, one thing remains clear:

This November, TFG MUST BE DEFEATED!

[dalton99a]

45. Kick

[Sarkinen]

46. yes

[CaptainTruth]

56. Sure, if he wants to join the MAGAts in burning our Constitution.

Did you miss ?

[TheKentuckian]

66. That piece of paper will burn quicker than we will.

[Ferrets are Cool]

57. But he won't

[ancianita]

61. He would if national security is at stake (FL case). He would to preserve democracy (DC case).

Besides morals, character and courage, Biden's got discernment. Remember the optics of the debate? Regardless, he's gotten $33,000,000 in donations since the debate.

All Biden has to be is his honest, empathic self, and you can bet that what he decides, voters will trust, no matter the optics. Because even abandoners of Trump right now know that Biden on his worst 90 minutes is still light years better than Trump on his best day.

We're going to see how Chutkan's hearings kick the "official acts" assignment by lazy SCOTUS. Then the public will get to see all the evidence that's left on the table.

[0rganism]

70. Biden's far too much of an institutionalist to save our institutions by force

And so, predictably, only the agents of chaos will use the power of the state to reshape the state, uprooting and corrupting all our precious remaining institutions in the name of ... someone.

This process will advance quickly next year. Shockingly fast. We'll barely have time to see one domino fall before the next one topples.

[CrispyQ]

76. SCOTUS just gave Biden the approval to do what he needs to do to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution

of the United States" so he absolutely should do something bold & unexpected like declare project 2025 an anti-democratic, terrorist manifesto & arrest everyone involved. Unfortunately I think he's too much of a boy scout to do anything but play by last century's rules. I hope I'm wrong & he comes to his senses but a ton of people are hooked on the idea that if we break any of the rules then we're as bad as them but I say there are levels or degrees of dirty fighting & if we stick to "when they go low we go high," we're going to end with their boot on our neck.

Project 2025 is a clear & present danger to our democracy. It's time for bold & unexpected action, not just talk. We need to throw them off their game.

[ancianita]

78. Well said! Thank you.