Once again: Fuck you Jill Stein and protest voters

[Alpeduez21]

FUCK YOU ALL TO HELL!

[Silent Type]

1. The catalyst for this whole mess, especially the protest voters.

[Think. Again.]

2. You do remember that...

...the protest voters were sure Clinton was going to win anyway because of all the "polls", right?

[marble falls]

4. still makes me mad.

[Think. Again.]

6. Me too, which is why I call out the danger of trusting polls whenever I can.

[marble falls]

10. The funny part is I've never met a Democrat who will admit it, though there were plenty enough the week before the Nov.

[Think. Again.]

12. According to post #7, they are very vocally proud of themselves.

[Alpeduez21]

5. fuck them

[Think. Again.]

8. That should win them over.

[SocialDemocrat61]

23. It is impossible to win them over

They hate Biden and democrats more than Trump and republicans.

[Think. Again.]

25. Yeah, rightwingers suck.

[SocialDemocrat61]

28. They are not right wingers

They are on the extreme left and support the Green Party and other fringe left parties.

[Think. Again.]

29. The people you described are rightwingers...

You can call them what you want,
They can call themselves what they want,
joe manchin can call himself what he wants,
They are rightwingers.

[edisdead]

31. Joe Manchin is not in the group that is being discussed.

[Think. Again.]

32. It was obvious I was saying that labels are not always true.

[SocialDemocrat61]

43. I call them what they call themselves.

I don’t deadname people or groups.

[Think. Again.]

46. Yes, I mentioned that you could call them what you want....

...but the people you described are rightwingers.

Also, do you understand what "deadnaming" means?

[SocialDemocrat61]

48. Yes

Calling any person or group by anything other than the name they wish to be identified by is deadnaming.

And as you have been told several times by me and others, they are not right wingers. They are extreme leftists who hate the Democratic Party. Calling them by another name is not going to change that fact.

[Think. Again.]

50. The people you described are rightwingers.

"Deadnaming" refers to the use of a gender-oriented name a person used to use, but no longer identifies with.

[SocialDemocrat61]

53. Please

They are not right wingers, they don’t identify as right wingers. They identify as leftists, in some cases radical leftists. Calling them something else to deny reality is deadnaming.

[Think. Again.]

54. Just as joe manchin indentified as a Democrat, and trump identifies as an innocent man.

[SocialDemocrat61]

55. Joe Manchin is a member

of the Democratic Party. That’s just reality.

[Think. Again.]

57. Not anymore he ain't.

[Pototan]

80. Anyone who caucuses with Dems in Senate is a plus

What do you think you're going to get from West Virginia?

We're lucky to have had Manchin, no matter how many disappointing votes he may have cast. He caucused with us, giving us the majority, especially when it was 50-50 and we had VP. An Elizibeth Warren type candidate can't win in West Virginia. A half a loaf is better than none. We are about to get none in that state.

[SocialDemocrat61]

58. You're right

He switched to independent earlier this year. So he no longer identifies as a Democrat.

[58Sunliner]

74. Anyone can call themselves anything, what does their support actually mean in terms of policy?

[SocialDemocrat61]

79. From what I've seen

they support very liberal and progressive policies, many of which I support as well. But they want them all now. They don’t want to do the work needed to get those policies passed. They are also purists who are unwilling to make any compromise.

[58Sunliner]

88. When your rhetorical support is nothing but rhetorical, it's gaslighting.

"They don’t want to do the work needed to get those policies passed. " Anyone can call themselves anything and there is a known faction who do so to gaslight the rest of us and pollute the political system.

[SocialDemocrat61]

91. I'm sure that's true of a certain percent of them

But many, if not most, think that they need to punish the Democratic Party for not being more extreme, or pure, in enacting liberal and progressive policies.

[mcar]

61. This again?

"Be nice to us or we may not vote to save democracy" is running a little thin these days.

[Think. Again.]

62. Yes, pissing off possible Biden voters is a great idea right now.

[SocialDemocrat61]

81. People who call Biden "genocide Joe"

and not possible voters.

[Think. Again.]

84. Yeah, rightwingers suck.

[SocialDemocrat61]

86. They are not right wingers

They are radical leftists.

[Think. Again.]

97. The people that were described are how rightwingers are described...

...that makes calling them rightwingers correct.

[SocialDemocrat61]

101. Let's deal in reality

not delusion. They are not right wingers. They are radical leftists. Just repeating over and over again that they are right wingers will not make it the truth.

[Think. Again.]

102. Yes, reality, when a thing is a thing, you call it that thing.

[SocialDemocrat61]

104. Yes

And calling them something they are not because the reality makes you uncomfortable is delusion.

[Think. Again.]

107. It is I that am calling them by what the description of them says they are.

Whether you want to pretend it's not true, the fact is that Left and right are at opposite sides of the linear spectrum.

And yes, it IS linear, because if it were a circular spectrum like some pretend it is, there would also be two other positions to account for.

Picture a compass, it is not just east or west, that would be a linear spectrum, on a circular spectrum, there must also be two other positions that make it circular.

So since we only have two positions at the far ends of the spectrum, far right, which is the most right, and far Left, which is the most left, the spectrum is linear.

You will only begin finding the traits of the right that you have described as you move right toward the center of the linear spectrum.

If you describe people with rightwing traits, you are describing rightwing people.

[SocialDemocrat61]

108. No I'm describing people who don't support democrats

Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein, etc. are not right wingers. It’s delusional to pretend that they are.

Being right wing or left wing is based on policy and ideological beliefs. Someone in the Green Party who is an advocate for very strong climate change legislation is not right wing just because they don’t support the Democratic Party. Someone who is anti-abortion but doesn’t support Trump and republicans is not left wing.

And just because they may use similar tactics doesn’t change that.

[Think. Again.]

110. It isn't up to you decide which of anyone's ideologies supercedes any other...

A rightwinger could be very much concerned about climate change, perhaps they are in the insurance business or they invested in waterfront rentals, they are still rightwing.

Being strongly against the only Left party of our two party system (and that's a completely different discussion) but less strongly against the only right party, like the people who have been described, makes those people more right than Left.

[SocialDemocrat61]

111. It's not up to you to label someone

something they are not because they don't support democrats.

And there are more than two parties. There are also independents who don't identify with any party.

Ideology is not a function of party membership. There are more moderate and even conservative democrats.

Just because someone is not a democrat or support the Democratic Party doesn't automatically make them a right winger. I'm calling people what they call themselves. Why are you refusing to?

[Think. Again.]

116. I am calling people what they are...

The sky is blue, so I will call it blue.

People with rightwing ideologies, as described above, are rightwingers, so I will call them rightwingers.

[SocialDemocrat61]

117. No you're not

You’re calling them what you what because you’re uncomfortable with calling them by what they identify as. They don’t have right wing ideologies at all. They advocate for very liberal and progressive policies and don’t think democrats go far enough. So let’s stop with delusional thinking on the subject.

[Think. Again.]

118. Strongly opposing the only viable Leftwing party, as described above...

...is a rightwing ideology making them rightwingers, I will call them that.

[SocialDemocrat61]

120. Then you are denying reality

Is Susan Sarandon ring wing?
Is Michael Moore right wing?
Is Conel West right wing?

[Think. Again.]

121. I do not know their core beliefs, only the bits a pieces they publicly present...

...but the people described above are described with the core belief that the rightwing better is better than the Leftwing party, hence, they are rightwingers.

[SocialDemocrat61]

123. Again is Susan Sarandon right wing?

Simple yes or no answer.

[Think. Again.]

124. Again, I do not know Susan Sarandon's core beliefs....

...only the bits and pieces publicly presented.

But the people described above as having rightwing core beliefs are rightwingers.

[SocialDemocrat61]

125. So you're pleading ignorance

of Susan Sarandon’s beliefs?

Ok I’ll help you. From Wikipedia:

Sarandon is known for her active support of progressive and left-wing political causes, ranging from donations to organizations such as EMILY's List to participating in a 1983 delegation to Nicaragua sponsored by MADRE, an organization that promotes "social, environmental, and economic justice". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sarandon#Political_views_and_activism

So let me ask once again, is Susan Sarandon right wing?

[Think. Again.]

126. The info you supplied does not mention if she believes...

...that the rightwing party is preferable to the Leftwing party, as the people above were described.

If she does believe the rightwing party is better, as the people above were described as believing, she would be rightwing.

[SocialDemocrat61]

127. You're deflecting

Her ideology is clearly stated. And the people described above were never said to be supporting a right wing party. They just don’t support the Democratic Party because they don’t think it is liberal and progressive enough.

So stop playing games and answer the question, is Susan Sarandon right wing?

[Think. Again.]

128. No, I am not deflecting, I am resisting your efforts to deflect...

...from the description of people that we are discussing.

That description was;

"They hate Dems/liberals more than Republicans.

I'm being 100% serious. They'd rather live under a right wing fascist presidency than a center-left pragmatic presidency. They openly say that Republicans are preferable because "at least they're truthful about their intentions." Dumbest people imaginable."

My response that started this subthread was to this post:

"

People who call Biden "genocide Joe"

and not possible voters."

I stand by my post that rightwingers suck.

[SocialDemocrat61]

129. Yes you're deflecting

The question Is Susan Sarandon right wing is a simple question. It’s a simple yes or no answer with no need to obfuscate.

Myself and several others have told you the people being discussed are not right wing but on the left.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19087649
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19088529
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19087796

We are not all wrong. They are on the left, not the right. Ideology and party affiliation are two different things. Just because someone is on the left doesn’t automatically mean they support the Democratic Party. Many on the left don’t. That is just reality.

[Think. Again.]

131. I am not deflecting,I honestly don't know if Sarandon is a rightwinger or not...

And no, if you are anti-Democratic party, which is on the Left, then you are anti-Left, which means you are a rightwinger.

If you are anti-republican party which is on the right, you are anti-right which means you are a Lefty.

If you are a centrist, it's time to stop trying to cover your ass and pick a side because Left and right are extremely different.

[SocialDemocrat61]

132. Not true at all

[Think. Again.]

133. Okay, Left is not opposite of right...

...people on either side are not on opposite sides of the other side, up is not up it is down, and the sun shines at night but not in the day unless it's during the daytime in the middle of the night.

Got it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

134. Nice try at deflection again

But not the issue at all.

[TheKentuckian]

112. You will find them fluffing or giving aid and comfort to every regressive on the globe

Putin, Chump, Khomeini, Sinwar, Jinping, you name em.

Then you will find them knee capping or worse anyone that would do anything remotely in the direction they would claim to espouse.

Anti West isn't radical left, it is exalting and empowering the ultra right.

This gaggle of fuckwits are hard core authoritarians.

[SocialDemocrat61]

114. I agree

Many have authoritarian tendencies. But there are authoritarian on the right and the left.

[Think. Again.]

130. Yes, rightwingers suck.

[onecaliberal]

49. They're doing the same shit now with the debate.

[marble falls]

3. Exactly.

[orange jar]

7. They hate Dems/liberals more than Republicans.

I'm being 100% serious. They'd rather live under a right wing fascist presidency than a center-left pragmatic presidency. They openly say that Republicans are preferable because "at least they're truthful about their intentions." Dumbest people imaginable.

[Think. Again.]

9. Then you are speaking of rightwingers.

[orange jar]

14. They aren't.

They're right wing in the sense that they facilitate right wing fascism by sitting out and whining about "both sides," but every person who follows the mindset I described are on the far left. They think Dems are just as right wing as Republicans.

[Think. Again.]

15. The people you described are rightwingers.

[Cha]

65. NO They are NOT. Orange Jar Knows What he's Talking About and

so Do I and Most DU Dems.

[OneGrassRoot]

18. It's futile...

Think. Again. refuses to believe such people do indeed identify as being on the left. It may be semantics. idk

But they haven’t yet accused you of being divisive and jeopardizing votes for Biden as they have done to me whenever I speak of this group here on DU. 🙄

[orange jar]

20. I think (no pun intended) some people

don't want to come across as disparaging "allies" — and a lot of people assume that everyone on the left is automatically a Democrat or otherwise supportive of Democratic policies, when that just isn't always the case.

[OneGrassRoot]

22. Agree. n/t

[Cha]

63. The Freaking Problem Is RF Lars like Stein & Sarandon

will Never be "allies.. and most DU Dems know this.

[Pototan]

67. Agreed

Nice to hear from you, Cha

[Cha]

72. Heh Aloha, Pototan

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. Very true

Just as Nader and Stein voters have blinders on, some have blinders on about those voters.

[haele]

40. They're Radicals. They believe in tearing down and attacking, rather than building.

Coalitions are for traitors and Quislings.
Radicals also tend to believe the whole world will just be better if everyone was the same, working for the same goals - in effect, just like them and their friends.
Sorry for those who believe in the revolution, because while I do believe complacency builds as much lazy contempt as familiarity, in my experience, very few self-proclaimed Radicals and "seekers of Justice" I've met are really willing to sacrifice their own comfort despite all their poutrage, screaming, and threats. They protest to the extent of their egos.

Haele

[SocialDemocrat61]

44. Exactly right.

They don’t really believe in democracy either.

[betsuni]

100. Yes.

[betsuni]

17. Yes, they consider liberals/Democrats the greater roadblock to progress because they're convinced

Democrats have the same economic policies as Republicans (neoliberal, deregulation, tax cuts for rich and corporations, no environmental protection) and fool people into voting for them by pretending to support social progress, and at least Republicans are truthful. Democrats are never given the benefit of the doubt because evil intentions are assumed.

Been a thing since the '60s I think. Idiots.

[OneGrassRoot]

27. I've always had an analogy in mind...

I was raised in a KKK environment so I know the mind of white supremacists intimately, unfortunately.

As much as they loathe POC, they loathe white people who don’t share supremacist views even more. They see people like me as traitors, betraying their “side.”

I see this subgroup on the left similarly. We’re all on the left (by self-identification) and thus should agree on everything the way right-wingers do. When we disagree with them in any way, even if only the approach to achieving common goals, they hate us because they feel we’ve betrayed them somehow. They definitely hate us. I’ve encountered it personally since 2016 all too often.

[OneGrassRoot]

38. I feel compelled to add...

that, at least in my experience, the hatred started with them. To me we should be able to disagree about strategy (incremental v burn it all down) without hating one another.

For many, their protest votes were borne of hatred and spite.

I don’t know that I hate them as individuals, but I sure hate what they have done and continue to do.

[betsuni]

47. Same goals but different strategy to reach those goals.

Convinced they and only they are correct and moral and on the side of The People and everybody knows it, any disagreement means evil immoral corrupt intentions. Getting stuck in a simplistic damaging purity trap.

ACA with a public option and lower Medicare age instead of a Medicare for All plan, trying for a $12.50 national minimum wage instead of $15 makes one a hideously corrupt corporate monster more dangerous than Trump so remain pure and don't vote for Democrats!

Same policy goals so go after character to demonize Democrats and Democratic voters. Always the personal insult, always.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. I have heard exactly that from a close friend who is not dumb. I was in shock when he said it.

I dont think it matters in the end, red states will not honor elections they lose.

I predicted that last time and for the most part I was wrong, and surprised. I dont think they will make that mistake again by pointing to the Constitution that does not require they pay attention to elections.

[mzmolly]

11. But ... the duopoly.

[ecstatic]

13. I know right?

Thanks for posting.

It doesn't really help but it's necessary on days like today. SMH

[oasis]

16. "Don't blackmail me with talk of SCOTUS picks"

Protest voters insisted.

blockheads

[edisdead]

34. This. I remember it exactly like this.

[Cha]

77. And, "Don't try to Guilt me with

Sane Talk of Scotus.

Okay I added that last part.

[thucythucy]

87. I was told, re: abortion,

"I'm tired of the progressive agenda being held hostage by the feminists."

Like reproductive rights were either a) imbedded in stone and could never ever be threatened or b) weren't as important as... fill in the blank.

[betsuni]

92. Was mocked as silly "identity politics" getting in the way of the economic class only revolution.

[thucythucy]

93. Exactly.

"The issue isn't gender, it's class."

Except, in my experience at least, the person pushing this POV was always a man.

[OneGrassRoot]

19. I'll raise you one...

and vehemently express my disgust with ALL protest voters. No, it doesn’t change the past nor hearts and minds but many of us feel this anger and frustration that needs to vent sometimes.

[UCmeNdc]

21. Vote Blue No Matter who!!!!

Vote for every single Democratic candidate up for election, up and down the ticket. 2024

[spike jones]

30. And all the people that cried, "I just can't vote for Hillary." n/t

[edisdead]

37. I remember a lady on a plane

I remember a lady on a plane sitting behind me on a long flight going on and on and on a out how she couldn’t vote for hillary. This was about a week after the election. She was in her early to mid-twenties. Oh boy was she self righteous and proud that she stood her ground. I was furious and dumbfounded about her lack of information or the ability to process information and how completely stupid she sounded. I could not get off that plane fast enough.

[Quakerfriend]

33. Jill Stein a straight up Putin prop.

[dlk]

35. Putin's progeny

n/t

[BWdem4life]

36. Yay for another counter-productive screeching rant.

Or 2 minutes hate, whichever you prefer.

[edisdead]

39. Screeching?

WTF?


I’d prefer if you just deleted.

[BWdem4life]

42. I'll just refer you to my journal entry instead.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219055750

Yes, screeching.

[edisdead]

56. I ain't reading your journal entry

I already can see you feel personally called out by the op.

[BWdem4life]

64. Whatever you say.

I simply want Democrats to win. This means not alienating our natural allies with blaming and shaming behaviors that not only don't work, but have the opposite effect.

[SocialDemocrat61]

73. The people you're referring to

are accusing democrats of committing genocide. They have even labeled the President “genocide Joe”. They are the ones alienating their natural allies, not the other way around.

[BWdem4life]

94. The people you are referring to

are individuals. The idea that all independent-minded voters who did not vote for either of the main party candidates last time around are not swayable and are all involved in things like calling Biden “Genocide Joe” is both laughable and defeatist. We are the big tent party. We are the ones who should be attempting to win their votes, not scolding and condemning them which, once again, is counterproductive. I would love to know if Republicans are blaming and shaming Libertarians for their close losses. I certainly hope so, because just like us, they would be alienating those voters.

[SocialDemocrat61]

96. Yes they are individuals

who voted for Jill Stein because Clinton was “the lesser of two evils” or Ralph Nader because Gore was as bad as Bush don’t want a big tent party in which many points of views are considered and compromise is required. They want ideological purity with no compromise allowed. Trying to win their votes is a fools errand.

[BWdem4life]

99. It's not a big sacrifice

to avoid broad-brush attacks shaming and blaming a group of people you have written off but others have not.

[SocialDemocrat61]

103. If you want to try to persuade people

who are calling Bernie Sanders and AOC traitors who support genocide, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. But I will call out anyone who demonizes President Biden and democrats regardless if they are from right or the left and will not be censored.

[OneGrassRoot]

106. The incessant chastising...

of those of us who face reality that the people in question are NOT allies - quite the contrary — and point this out with myriad examples is starting to feel like gaslighting.

ANY voter is a potential Dem voter, even Melania, so some of you seem to suggest no one can be criticized. The “genocide Joe” crowd is as likely to vote for President Biden as Maga. And many of us are angry with them as we are with Maga. Quit gaslighting us about the danger of leftist protest votes. Our venting isn’t changing their mind away from voting Dem, no more than begging and bending over backwards to empathize with them would.

[58Sunliner]

85. You have one gross omission,

"they could instead positively engage possible third-party voters and woo their votes instead of demanding or pleading for their allegiance based solely on having a common dislike for the other main political party."-
Third party voters are often, in social media, screeching about dems. Not republicans, dems. Their focus is not about the existing policies of republicans, but of what they perceive as the failure of dems.

[kwolf68]

41. I surely didn't vote for Stein

I voted for Clinton happily, but it was her job to win their vote. She didn't. People vote how they want to vote, if you don't like how they vote do something to change who they want to vote for. If you need a few thousand "protest" votes to beat Donald Trump maybe you are not a good candidate or you are not running a good campaign. I think it was a little bit of both, I don't believe HRC ran a good campaign. I did like some of her closing statements, but it wasn't enough and Trump actually resembled a somewhat normal human a lot of time, even running on shit like anti-war, insourcing jobs and even opposing a pipeline. He actually talked policy, in the abstract at least. He no longer does that as we now see what an absolute shitstain he is, but in 2016, people were not quite sure. Yea, I guess egg is on their face if they are not happy with a fascist Supreme Court that he has brought to us. And yea the "see I told you" often mentioned her is actually legitimate I will agree.

[orange jar]

45. I think the horrors of Donald Trump should've been enough.

YMMV.

[regnaD kciN]

90. Also, anyone remember Gary Johnson...?

He was the Libertarian candidate in 2016, positioned himself as a “never-Trump” conservative alternative candidate, and got almost twice as many votes as Stein.

If neither Johnson nor Stein had run, and their voters had been forced to choose either D or R, it’s almost certain Trump would have won by a bigger margin.

OTOH, if Johnson had been more-dedicated to never-Trumpism than conservatism, and endorsed Clinton in the last weeks of the campaign, HRC would have won, no matter what Stein’s voters did.

[BWdem4life]

98. not necessarily

His supporters would have felt betrayed by him. but that wouldn’t necessarily have translated into Hillary votes, they might have just left the top of the ticket blank. Endorsements are nice, but many people ignore them.

[RandySF]

51. kicked

[RandySF]

52. And fuck everyone

who wants to run and hides because Biden had a bad night.

[murielm99]

59. I watched Biden's speech on NBC.

The stupid commentators kept harping about Biden stepping aside instead of addressing the substance of Biden's speech and the mess this SC has created. Dumb shits!!!!

[SocialDemocrat61]

75. Who were the commentators?

If you know their names.

[mcar]

60. Cannot be said enough. nt

[Lucky Luciano]

66. Got a stein voting friend.

He thinks trump is incompetent, stupid, corrupt, and terrible.

He thinks Democrats are also terrible. They talk about helping the workers and do nothing but ensure that the military industrial complex is enriched…sure they’ll throw a few bones here and there, but at the end of the day, the war machine gets the grease. His number one priority, by far, is removing the US from all wars. Period. Ukraine, Israel…forget it. He’s never talking about Russia…but he sure does mention what a good day it was for Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin when Ukraine or Israel gets our weapons.

Not impressed with Newsome going to a dinner party at the French Laundry after ordering everyone to stay home during COVID’s peak. He views Democrats through the lense of such elites lecturing the masses about what they should do while not doing those things themselves….see Al Gore’s carbon footprint…or rich people flying their private planes to some high end resort town to discuss climate change. This breeds his cynicism.

He is most definitely pro choice, but the loss of that right was met with more of an “oh well” than a call to arms… in other words, not a top priority, but a nice to have.

He is definitely pro worker, pro universal health care….was a full on Bernie guy until he had to be a Stein guy.

They’re still out there.

No apologies for the Supreme Court either. It’s all kabuki theater to him anyway. He does take some of George Carlin’s political views quite literally about trusting nothing and nobody in the government.

Big Assange fan…big Greenwald fan…big Taibbi fan, big Snowden fan. He will note how many here were fans when they were going after the right, but got mad when they criticized our side.

He criticizes the left more than the right. I like to think it’s because the right is so far gone, it’s not worth it. He’s very opposed to rigid orthodoxy, whether left or right (Carlin discussed this). So purity pledges about DEI at universities, for example, which is sort of a thing, are very bad…he’s not wrong about such political purity pledges. There have been some professors losing their jobs or being ostracized for not publicly committing to key mantras.

[thebigidea]

105. "There have been some professors losing their jobs or being ostracized for not publicly committing to key mantras."

Shame on you.

[Lucky Luciano]

115. Me?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/dei-lawsuit-penn-state/677268/

Apparently, this prof had to sit in on some wishy washy bs session where one is supposed to hold their breath until they can feel the pain of people of color. I’m all for understanding the idea of being in other people’s shoes, but this is some real dipshit stuff.

[JCMach1]

68. Fuck all that bothsider bull shite

[Javaman]

69. If trump gets in, she'll be one of the first to go.

They all think they are all slick as shit until we become a fascist state

Hitler purged many of his original followers. Including the head of the brown shirts and many of the brownshirts

[nycbos]

70. And the people who voted from Ralph Nader

[Oopsie Daisy]

71. And Sarandon.

[PghTiny]

76. These 'protest voters' tend to be white and at least upper middle class

They have the money (or at least access to money) to shield themselves from the actions of the GQP. Witness multimillionaires 'Dr.' Jill Stein and Ralph Nader. Not like the rest of us working stiffs who bear the brunt of GQP cruelty.

[Baltimike]

78. You're ridin' with Biden or you're rootin' for Putin

Including people who don’t vote

[kansasobama]

82. And all the current swing state voters

Voting for Kennedy and all Rashida voters protesting Gaza, and voting against Biden, thereby letting Trump to raze Gaza for good.

[UCmeNdc]

83. Vote Blue No Matter Who!! Vote straight Democratic Ticket 2024

Screw the corrupt Donald J. Trump and his Republican minions.

[Sane1]

89. What Would Susan Sarandon Say??

Couldn’t vote for Hillary, Jill Stein Jill Stein Jill Stein, thanks a lot for all conservative Supreme Court Trump picks douchebags!

[PghTiny]

95. Sarandon's got $55 million to her name

She'll be _very_ comfortable no matter who's calling the shots

[betsuni]

122. Not about money, it's about being really really stupid.

These idiots accuse Democrats of being corrupted by money and the same as Republicans. Morons.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

109. I hope that Susan Sarandon is happy with the results of efforts

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

119. She thought Hillary was going to start WWIII because of the same Iraq War vote as her hero John Edwards.

That didn't count, he's a guy.

[edisdead]

113. Holy Fuck!

There are still people here defending Stein voters? Are you absolutely kidding me or what? For what reason would anyone defend a stein voter? I guess you could excuse them for being some of the most gullible dumbfucks on the planet but…. Why? Sometimes stupid people need to be told “You are a fucking idiot”.

You cannot reason with them because they are god damned morons.

Quit defending these people. Quit coddling their dumbasses choices.