Let's be real. Pres Biden will not engage in an immunity related action. There will be no judicial reform, expansion or

[themaguffin]

anything along those lines. I would think that the liberal justices might even break tradition and speak out in a way that we haven't seen, but it won't happen.

I hope that I am proven, but until something happens, I don't believe that it will, based on the timid play by the rules code that Democrats follow and the GOP scorches.

I'm not trying to be a downer, but I'm not going to live in a false hope or fantasy land.

[harumph]

1. If it gets to the R's actively trying to steal the election

after preliminary results indicate Joe is the winner, then it is Joe's OBLIGATION to protect the nation and
we should expect that and demand whatever action needs to be taken. This flogging of the idea that
dems are incapable of being tough is noxious to me and should be to everyone on this board. Sling your hook!

[brooklynite]

2. You've moved the goalposts to November...

What do you imagine can be done in two months?

[themaguffin]

3. I'm referring to now and up to the election. If the GOP takes direct action, then a response may be more plausible

[CincyDem]

4. No...to use your phrase...it is Joe's obligation to protect the nation NOW.

We can not simultaneously believe this ruling gives TFG unchecked dictatorial power without guardrails while believing Joe’s hand are tied.

In anti-fascist language that “pre-compliance”, a necessary element among the population along the path to fascism.

There are no “ifs” about what TFG is planning to do…he’ll, there’s a 900 page derailed plan (2025 Project). I love hearing Joe out describing a future Trump administration’s plans, telling us what we can do and extolling us to vote. I will be there and nothing will change that.

But…

I want to know what he’s going to do as democracy’s Protector in Chief. If the rules chanced for TFG, they changed for Joe…let’s put ‘em to good use.

[delisen]

5. I don't think anyone know what action Biden might take

He stated his intent.but the position the Supreme Court has placed us in is not yet fully fleshed out and understood.

[MOMFUDSKI]

6. Don't be so sure. Joe has 4 months to with

shiny, new powers. He is either a hero or not.

[getagrip_already]

7. expanding the court isn't joes decision until a bill gets to his desk....

So don't be silly about that.

We need the house and a majority in the senate willing to suspend the filibuster. If they pass a bill expanding scotus, joe would sign it. Despite what he has said in the past.

But that won't be possible unless we have a really, really, big win in november.

Likewise, any judicial ethics reform legislation will also take the house and a majority in the senate willing to suspend the filibuster. But joe would sign that as well. Whether scotus would allow is doubtful. They would probably rule it unconstitutional.

But joe will not break laws just to get shit done.

[themaguffin]

8. I'm not referring specifically to Joe. I'm referring to the actions in general.

...Joe specifically though, in terms of the "Biden needs to use this new power"

[getagrip_already]

9. The only new power he has is for evil..... he wont use it

imho anyway. Presidents have always had immunity for acts performed in office. Many have launched attacks which have killed or injured civilians and been immune from prosecution for example.

No person until the orange convict has ever needed a shield from personal corruption or criminality. Even nixon didn't expect or claim it.

Now he could literally eliminate the six little piggies and be done with them. But unlike tsf, he won't.

I'm not sure what new powers people think he has. The only one I see is the ability to break the law with impunity.

[themaguffin]

12. that's what I said, but some here and elsewhere think that something will come of it. It's not.

[delisen]

10. There are situations where ethics takes precedence over law

f I were president who was granted powers I believed were not legal and if using them would save the lives of children being murdered in classrooms, or women dying from being denied medical care, I would probably use those tools even if I believed them illegal.

In any case lawyers may tell us that these new powers may be legal.
Biden said he will only take legal actions

[getagrip_already]

13. thats a slippery slope....

When is one more drink too many? the problem with drinking is that alcohol interferes with your ability to judge when you have had too much to drink.

The same is true with the unethical use of power. It always seems like it's justified. It just becomes easier and easier to justify. Until one day, you stop trying and just don't care. Then you just do what you want.

[delisen]

14. I am not sure what you mean

If I were rushing a severely injured person to a hospital I might deliberates slow down at a busy intersection and then drive through red light red light. It is up to me at that point of decision to make a judgement that delay might kill my passenger and it is best to break the law.

In any case if constitutional lawyers tell Biden that the immunity decision is now the law of the land. he will I think use it as best he can or may need to carry out his oath of office.

[getagrip_already]

18. analogies break down, but lets go with that for a minute

So you are a paramedic or police officer, and you have emergency lights and sirens and can pass through intersections against the lights in emergencies. Ok.

Now you are in your private vehicle and are rushing somewhere you "think" is important, and push through an intersection and this time you don't make it and someone dies. Now was that an official act? You started out doing it for very good reasons, then started using excuses and justifying your actions.

Maybe. This actually happens pretty frequently with cops. Both in their patrol cars and private cars. they get so used to speeding and ignoring traffic lights - because they can - they just do, with and without lights or sirens.

It will happen to a potus as well if his lawyers start presenting him/her with options that include ethically challenged options. They will be the most direct, most effective methods. And they will get more extreme over time.

[delisen]

19. Sorry, I am just not following your line of reasoning at all. nt

[getagrip_already]

20. power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely

not a hard concept to understand if you try.

[delisen]

21. No need to insult me. Probably best if we end conversation. nt

[Attilatheblond]

11. IF we want judicial reform, WE are the ones who have to act. VOTE for a HUGE DEM majority on Capitol Hill

or it doesn't happen. It's not in Joe's hands, it is in OURS and we bloody well need to stop thinking otherwise!

[brooklynite]

15. Reality check - WHAT do you think Biden can do about the Election?

He CANNOT snap his fingers and increase the size of the Supreme Court (that's up to the CURRENT Congress, not one which might be elected in November).

He CANNOT override a decision by the States as to how they allocate Electoral Votes (let me observe however that the critical States are CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS).

So what is it you want him to be prepared to do?

[themaguffin]

16. That's what I'm saying.

[Sky Jewels]

17. We keep doing self-inflicted wounds.

The appointment of Merrick Milquetoast Garland was a major one.