I think we should be able to talk about our anxiety, dread and fear here.

[edhopper]

This is one group of like minded people who understand the possible firestorm of fascism that some of us see coming is a very real threat.
Some of us see that Trump winning is more likely now. Some of us don't. That is fine. The reality says it's a toss up.
But shouting down, or belittling a post that conveys very real concerns does not help.
Telling us the polls are bullshit, the media is bullshit, the other Democratic politicians are bullshit, and that Biden will will by 10 points is not an answer, it just reeks of toxic positivism.
NO ONE is saying we should give up. NO ONE! So please don't drag out that canard. In fact, if you just want to tell someone to not post anything negative, maybe don't engage that thread at all.

We will Vote, We will Help, We will Donate!

But some of us also need to talk about the dire situation we see in a very probable second Trump term.

[Silent Type]

1. Credit to Admin for recognizing this. It might change any minute, but appears they recognize situation.

[XanaDUer2]

2. I'm moving between worry and hope nt

[Irish_Dem]

13. I see people all over the map. Which is understandable.

We have had a big shock and much is at stake.

[Dave Bowman]

84. It feels like a roller-coaster lately.:

[AllyCat]

3. We should be able to talk about it. You're right.

What I’m tired of hearing and seeing is all the talk that one candidate should drop out because of a bad debate performance. The other candidate literally outed today as a child sex offender. And DUers posting about our guy quitting. Felon45 should drop out. There should be calls for him to drop out here and from the M$M.

I’m uninterested in articles and opinion pieces from DC press asking for Biden to drop out.

In fact, I would say it is against DU rules.

[Irish_Dem]

5. OP wants to talk about feelings. Not told how to think or feel.

OP is saying what they want and need.

If it is tiring to hear feelings/thoughts, then might not be a good idea to read these kind of posts.

[AllyCat]

8. I'm not telling OP what to think or feel.

Guess I got my back up because I’ve been roundly criticized by DUers for supporting our POTUS.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Getting our backs up is part of the problem.

We are at war, trying to preserve our democracy.

We have had some big shocks and are reeling.

The focus has to be on defeating Trump.

It is not personal, it is a neutral decision making process.
It is not about any one person.

I have not seen people getting slammed for supporting POTUS.

I have seen people called vile names for exploring their feelings
and thoughts right now. Wondering what the heck is going on,
what options do we have, brainstorming. All appropriate in a
crisis situation.

Personally I think Biden is our best bet right now.
However, I saw the debate and I can see something is going on
behind the scenes right now.

So there is some doubt about what is going to happen.

I am OK with whatever happens, I just want to preserve our democracy.
I have no agenda about how we do that.

[AllyCat]

24. Well, I have been today.

Good thing there is a jury blocklist.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Tearing each other apart is not a solution.

And counterproductive.

Sorry to hear you and others are being attacked.
I have seen it too.
And been a target as well.

Unless we get our act together we could lose a lot.

[ecstatic]

30. Your positivity and loyalty is very important

I know it's probably extremely draining to see negative posts but if you can maintain your positivity then it will change minds and calm some people down and also help the other optimists to keep their spirits up.

I'm trying to be mindful of not being too negative but some issues I really have to voice here because I don't know a single person IRL who is into politics as much as I am.

[AllyCat]

95. Thank you. It's more than loyalty.

It’s practicality also. How do we get a new candidate when so many states have already voted? We know who is out there, but the average person doesn’t know Newsom, from Whitmer, to Buttigieg. They just don’t. Where do we get the MONEY for a new candidate? Biden has an impressive list of accomplishments. How to we run without that? If we pick someone OTHER THAN Harris, how do we explain to millions of POC “hey, we just didn’t think she could do it”.

I’m for Joe and Kamala.

[orangecrush]

77. I commend you

For supporting Joe.

[senseandsensibility]

22. Right there with ya

Every thread is not for everyone. I know what "triggers" me and I just don't click on it. Problem solved. Just jumping into a thread to criticize or nitpick is a strange hobby that some seem to have.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Very well put.

You are nailing it today SS.

[slightlv]

74. While we may not all by doctors or psychologists on here,

we ARE friends to each other, if only by digital "like minds," for the most part. One of the things that made this forum my only long-time place to read and post is the way we support each other. That includes, to me, those of us who are deeply feeling the pain and worry this election season brings. We've lived through what?... three "must vote" elections, where our democracy could be in danger. That is wearing on anyone, and I tend to worry about the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome in the greater public. But to me, there is no doubt this is the do or die election for our country... and for many of us. There are a majority of us here (I think) who are older, dependent upon Social Security and Medicare to live, as well as young ones who might be dependent on SNAP and other earned (or unearned) benefits. For some of us, winning this election could be the difference between continued life and death, democracy or not. We're all over the map as far as income is concerned. I believe the majority of us here on DU are of the empathetic, sensitive people who are most easily harmed by the cruelty we see in the alternative administration and the people of the U.S. in general.

For better or worse, DU is a place where we feel safe in coming to vent, to worry, as well as to push for better outcomes. It's a time of transition and change is never easy. As one who worries a lot... and in that lower range of incomes... maybe I don't have a righteous opinion to voice. But I would hate to see the overall vibe of DU change from one of help and caring to one of pushing one agenda or opinion only. I think we care too deeply for that here.

[KPN]

83. ++++

[edisdead]

102. You know I overheard a conversation the other day

this pot was telling the kettle.…

[XanaDUer2]

16. Wait

Trump was outed today as a minors' sex offender ?!

[AllyCat]

25. Yes. It's on the Greatest Page right now. Third one down.

[XanaDUer2]

62. Thank you!

[edhopper]

35. And yet

even the huffpost buries the story and has calls for Biden to drop out as the Banner headline.

[58Sunliner]

89. And what does that mean?

[edhopper]

93. That the media

Is burying the story in favor of the Biden drop out one.

[scipan]

100. Click bait.

That is where we have some power. If we posted more about other subjects, like the immunity decision and/or the released Epstein call logs with TCF all over it, it might have some influence on what the news orgs write or make prominent.

A little influence.

[StarryNite]

45. I agree with you.

I get that people want to talk about it but post after post after post about the exact same thing is getting old. This has been going on since last Thursday. Unless something changes President Biden is our candidate and I am proud to support him!

[PortTack]

85. Time to move on, volunteer, donate and GOTV!

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

68. Some can not fully talk about the debate performance

If we want to criticize the performance in an area that Biden has no hope of improving, it would not be constructive.

Doesn't

We should be able to talk about it

and

it is against DU rule

seem at odds?

[Irish_Dem]

4. I agree.

Some people are uncomfortable and threatened by the fear and anxiety being discussed.

[edhopper]

7. Thank you

[delisen]

6. I agree. sharing emotions and facts is key to our success

and we will succeed . It is going to be a tough course.

We have millions of people of good will and we are not going to scatter. We will be coming together with a common purpose, feeling the energy and we will even have some fun..

[somaticexperiencing]

10. agreed. and I agree that reality and principle-based behavior are on our side and definitely also keys to our success.

[dobleremolque]

9. Catharsis. It's a good thing.

"Catharsis is from the Ancient Greek word [NB: Greek letters but they don't display here,] katharsis, meaning "purification" or "cleansing", commonly used to refer to the purification and purgation of thoughts and emotions by way of expressing them. The desired result is an emotional state of renewal and restoration." Wikipedia

There's a balance somewhere between Debbie Downer and Pollyanna. I hope that DU can serve as an arena to help folks find the "renewal and restoration" to carry on.

[edhopper]

11. Unfortunately

some see any post with bad news as "Debbie Downer" .

We must deal with how we see things. Grim or not.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Facing reality is hard and painful at times.

Some people are not ready or able to do it.
Some need more time.
Others need to process it right away.
Some are all over the map.

This is not right or wrong, it is just differences in processing styles.

But calling each other vile names just is not the way to handle things.

So Ed what are your feelings? This is what your OP is about.

[edhopper]

33. I am deely distressed about the election

And See Trump more likely than not as the winner. I do not know how bad it will get or how we will live in a fascist State.
I think most Americans will go along with whatever he does. And I see him wrecking the country. There will be no check to his power.

[Irish_Dem]

39. Yes I have talked with a number of people who have the same thoughts and feelings.

It is a very scary time.

But we have to face reality and not kid ourselves.

Nothing is certain. This could all go south and fast.

We are still reeling from last week, debate night, very much rattled many of us.
Then the SC rulings, so the hits keep happening.

Yes it is fairly predictable what Trump will do if he is installed back into the WH.
He is a ruthless and dangerous sociopath.
And backed by Putin who is even more dangerous and ruthless.

Yes some of it is unknown, we don't know how bad it will get.
Who will be targeted, how it will unfold.

My thoughts:

The iconic human condition is the fight between good and evil.
We know that from history.

And we are not immune from that fight.
We ride the tide of history like those before us.

I do think humans are hard wired for freedom and will alway fight to be free.

People are also experiential learners and have to learn things the hard way.
So we may be seeing a steep learning curve.

It may have to get worse before it gets better.
But history also tells us humans make progress each century.
Slowly but surely, even with major setbacks.
I think eventually freedom will always prevail.

[edhopper]

43. I think about GWB

it was worse than most thought it would be. A terrorist attack, an immoral and illegal war, a financial meltdown, a city drowned. All because he was President, while we went backwards on Climate Change, Civil Rights...
And Trump will be so much worse.

[Irish_Dem]

53. Yes it was so shocking, all the Bush horrors.

He did so much damage to this country, it is hard to quantify it.
And people just let it happen. No consequences.

And here we are again.

This is what I mean, the fight between good and evil is the iconic human condition.
We got a break after WWII, the greatest generation came home from the war and just
wanted peace in the valley which we had.

It was break from the fight and we thought it would last forever.

But the fight for power and wealth is really ongoing and never stops.
Not at all.

Every generation has to fight in some way.
The younger generation will learn some hard lessons.
We cannot stop that.

[edhopper]

55. As a soon to be 70 year old retiree

I have to say "I am getting too old for this shit."

[Irish_Dem]

59. Yes I know.

That is why the younger generation is going to have to fight the good fight.
This is a tough planet, nothing is ever handed to us.

The GOP has knocked the stuffing out of us during our lifetimes and we
are exhausted. All the rights we fought so hard for are being taken away.

I have a knack for pattern analysis and connecting dots.
So I have seen this coming for some time.

So I worked through my grieving process to a large extent.

So I have a degree of detachment as I view events.
Though I admit it is tough, the shocking debate, Trump, the SC ruling.
Tough material to deal with.

[edhopper]

61. Part of me wants to turn it all off

and lice peacefully through my retirement.
But I know Trump will screw all that up.
My Savings, my SoSec could be gone.

[Irish_Dem]

64. Some of this we will not be able to control.

We will have to go with the flow.
Roof over our head, food on the table might be the goal.

But hopefully it will take some time for the GOP to dismantle all of it.
We might be OK, we are at the end of our lives.

Right maybe we will need to take breaks from politics.
Watch Netflix and play pickleball like normal people.

[Irish_Dem]

12. Some people don't understand that talking through a problem

is the best way to resolve it.

To share the thoughts and feelings about a crisis or difficult situation is the
best way to move forward.

We are facing a very dire possible future and we have to talk about it.

We are also in a major political crisis right now and we should be
dealing with it constructively. That means brainstorming and being adaptable.
Getting many thoughts and opinions. Not shutting it all down.

[Kaleva]

15. What is your answer to Trump winning the election?

[Irish_Dem]

21. Preserving our democracy is the #1 goal.

I have no agenda how we do it.

[Kaleva]

67. People will most likely do what they do in normal times

Vote, volunteer and donate.

Much like when Romney and McCain were the R nominees.

[Kaleva]

14. Talk accomplishes little. Actual preparation is needed

If one isn't actually making preparations, then maybe the perceived threat isn't that bad.

The greater the threat, the greater and more vigorous is the response.

An approaching forest fire generates a greater response then a hot, humid day does.

[Irish_Dem]

20. How do you think preparation is accomplished?

It does not happen by magic.

People have to identify the problem, identify options, then come up with an action plan.
This involves talking.

Without thought and planning people are just spinning their wheels.

And we are handcuffed right now.

We know something is happening behind the scenes, we are not sure what.

[Kaleva]

70. A basic knowledge of history gives one the knowledge

If one thinks that Trump and the Magahats are Nazis, then read how people successfully or unsuccessfully resisted them. Learn from their triumphs and mistakes.

Jews that survived Hitler had fled when there was still time to do so. Those who stayed died by the millions

The life of the resistance fighter was extremely tough. Death on the battlefield. Capture was often followed by torture and execution. Families of Resistance fighters were sometimes arrested. Whole villages were killed in retaliation.

Waiting until 4 months before the election to begin talking about what to do is probably not enough time.

[Irish_Dem]

91. This is why talking about it is helpful.

The historical context.

I agree the timing is terrible.
But this is real life and like a war.

Timing is often not optimal.
It is what it is.

On the battle field you have to be flexible, think outside the box and adapt.

We may have to work with what we have, not what we want.

[edisdead]

104. That isn't what is happening here.

I know trolls when I see them. And I know many have been here for a while. And I also know some of them have people completely snowed.

And no I am not accusing you of being one.

[Irish_Dem]

106. Yes of course I see the same thing.

The trolls are obvious because they are so poorly trained and doing a terrible job.
I saw one the other day insist that Eugene Robinson (a Pulitzer Prize winning author) was
a total unknown and using a fake name! And that New Hampshire is a red state.

Yes it is disappointing to see some buy it hook, line and sinker.

Calling me a troll would be laughable. There is no amount of money on the planet
that would make me sell out my party or country. Freedom is the most valuable
thing on our planet. We are hard wired for freedom and will aways fight for it.

That said, I do think there are people here who are legitimately afraid, worried
shocked. And trying to express it and get support. I hate seeing them be called
vile names. It is ridiculous and counterproductive.

[edhopper]

36. Oh Please

Now you are blame shaming us for Biden maybe losing.
Sorry, I could donate every cent I have and volunteer 7 days a week for the campaign and he can still lose.
And it won't be my fault.
Did Hillary lose because I didn't try hard enough?

[Kaleva]

71. It will be your fault if you aren't prepared for a fascist takeover

Assuming you believe Trump and his minions are fascists.

If you don't believe they are fascists, then there's no reason to prepare. You can continue to go about your daily life as you normally do.

[edhopper]

87. Did you even read

My OP?

[Kaleva]

96. Did you?

Your comment:

"This is one group of like minded people who understand the possible firestorm of fascism that some of us see coming is a very real threat."

Those who think the threat is actually real are already prepared for it. Those who don't think that have done nothing.

With just 4 months till the election, there isn't enough time to prepare if one hasn't already done so. Thus there isn't much to talk about. All one can do then is to sit back and hope for the best.

[Irish_Dem]

42. We don't yet know what is going on in DC.

Biden is said to be in talks making decisions.

We are in the dark.

We don't know what to prepare for.

[Kaleva]

73. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst

[Irish_Dem]

92. This has always been my motto.

And I always have a plan b and c.

[Kaleva]

97. Yes

Enjoy what life has to offer but have a plan for when things may go south and be flexible as the situation can change

[Irish_Dem]

98. This is exactly the mindset we need right now.

This is what I am advocating for.

Russia, China, Trump and the GOP are at war with America, and conditions can change rapidly
and be quite fluid. We need to adapt, and quickly.

[MOMFUDSKI]

17. Agree. DU got us through other ugly times.

This is our safe place to unload. Less sliding across the dinner table to punch the other guy. Chill. Thank you.

[moonscape]

19. I today had to tell a couple of close

friends, liberal democrats, that I had to go dark for a while. Why?

My emotional state is not good. I am experiencing intense grief over the death of our country as I knew it and believed it to be. If not dead, it’s in hospice. This isn’t a point for argument, it’s how I =feel= and I’m inconsolable.

I’ll figure it out, how to survive. But right now my grief is intense.

Will be calling a younger close Lebanese friend who has talked to me about survival in the midst of intense corruption (“they would sell the air if they could”) but that’s all he knew. We Americans have a different frame of reference.

Still, he was very politically well-informed, still is, but he did leave and become a Canadian citizen last year. In Lebanon he managed to remain plugged in yet shield himself emotionally from things over which he had no control. I’m natively a more emotional person so that has me at a disadvantage, but am calling him shortly for yet another lecture on how best to survive..

Feeling bereft but not wanting to bring down friends who are in a more walled-off space or more effective at dealing with what yesterday meant. But, it’s important not to isolate and let it all stew without outlet.

Long way of saying: I appreciate this post.

[Irish_Dem]

50. Many of us have been going through a grieving process.

The loss of our country as we knew it.
The loss of our democracy and freedom.

The possibility of having a ruthless sociopath in charge.

But that said, I think we are hard wired for freedom and will fight for it at some point.
But first there may be a huge learning curve, things may have to get worse before they get better.

And have faith the human race will continue to make tiny steps forward.

[LeftLife]

26. Hear

Hear!!
The future is bleak if TFG wins.

[DEM1955]

27. I don't think trump is going to win this election

things may look rough right now but it will turn around. No sane person will vote for that "thing". November will prove we outnumber them! The right wingers will be dumbfounded when he loses, saying " I thought trump had this" " The polls said he was ahead".

[Irish_Dem]

56. We don't know what will happen.

Yes in an honest election Biden would win.

But Trump/GOP/Putin are desperate and will stop at nothing to get what they want.

So Trump could be installed again by any means possible.

[Think. Again.]

34. Thank You!

I appreciate your support for those of us who feel the need to express our fears that "...the polls are bullshit, the media is bullshit..."

It does help to able to speak freely knowing that we won't be chastised for our opinions.

Oh, wait...

[edhopper]

37. No one is telling you not to express that

so please don't belittle us who think the polls and what the media is doing is significant.

[Model35mech]

41. I'm not going to call any DUer out, but I read a post in the last 48hrs

which made it clear that DUers should keep their fears to themselves.

[Irish_Dem]

94. Amazing.

This is not the way to resolve upset and anxiety.

Yes you cannot keep beating a dead horse, at some point you have to move on.
But you cannot do that overnight. It takes a bit of time.

[Think. Again.]

44. The OP specifically does tell the people who express...

...that they think the polls and media are bullshit to not express that.

(Calling out hypocrisy is a fetish of mine.)

[edhopper]

49. I said please don't respond

to someone who post a serious concern about the polls that it is all bullshit and they are being stupid to listen to any polls.

Do you think saying "All polls are meaningless" is in any way constructive?

[Think. Again.]

52. Just to clarify...

Which one is it?

Responding to someone who posts a serious concern about the polls that it is all bullshit and they are being stupid to listen to any polls.

Or

Saying "All polls are meaningless" is not in any way constructive.

Because those are two very different scenarios.

[edhopper]

54. My OP was about response to peoples serious cocerns and fears.

The second was just a question to you.

[Think. Again.]

66. Oh, okay...

Warning others that polls are used primarily to increase viewership of for-profit media companies, and are therefore tools to be manipulated to that end, or, in worst-case scenarios, used to influence public perception through false or misleading statistics (otherwise known as misinformation) can help to reduce poor decision-making by those who fall victim to them.

[Dorian Gray]

38. Fully agree

[New Breed Leader]

40. People are so scared. I know I am

the thought of Trump being back in the WH and Project 2025 terrifies me beyond rational thought. I need to talk about it

I bring it up with my therapist but she's all hippy-dippy about it and only says stuff like "we'll be ok no matter what happens"

um...NO WE WON'T. STOP IT.

the fear in addition to the frustration that those outside our circle don't see the urgency is so stressful

I just don't know what I'm going to do.

[edhopper]

47. The germans under Hitler thought that.

The Russians under Stalin too.
No we won't be all right.

[marble falls]

46. I think excessive navel contemplation over a dog and pony show is what makes TFg even more dangerous. I ...

... think he has no trouble digesting his dinner after he reads some of expressions of self flagellation out there. You notice he isn't encouraging Joe to stay in, right? We're doing his dirty work for him: beating up our own candidate, our own President.

[58Sunliner]

86. ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝

[usonian]

48. Don't let the bastards wear you down.

Things are never as bad as we imagine them. It's human nature.

Do not speculate unless you are making firm plans. There is a psychological war going on. Resist it.

I went through boot camp. A physics grad. Hated every minute and feared for weeks. NCO's screaming at me constantly. I Imanaged

See the first half of "Full Metal Jacket"

I replace intrusive thoughts with chanting, and fight for Joe and Kamala and all Dems here.

For once, it's not you. They really are after you. If you watched "The Prisoner" series, you'll understand undefeatable human courage in the face of 24 by 7 psychological war.

We normally flee fires, but firefighters put fear aside in order to save lives and march into hell.

Old timers here have seen it all. We'll fight like Diane Feinstein did, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg did with their last breaths.

I grew up with the Red Sox and liked Jimmy Piersall. He struggled to play, and a movie called "Fear Strikes Out" was made with his story.

Keep your eyes on the prize. When they break your will to take action, they have won. Fascist playbook.

Do take action.

Follow user Wednesday's posts (latest one here)
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19084444

or just drop by democrats.org to find powerful ways to take action.
https://democrats.org
Specific actions:
https://democrats.org/take-action/

Democrats.org has tons of ways to help, and even online courses in how to make an impact.

---

I am not putting down your feelings. I know PTSD.
And I know how to recover, even when people close to me didn't even see it.

There are friends here.

Joe is fighting for me, and I'm fighting for Joe.

To flaming hell with the trolls.

[edhopper]

51. Thanks for

the positive understanding.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

57. Never has it been more appropriate to vote Democratic.

I signed on to Liz Cheney's: Our Great Task.

https://greattask.com/

[llmart]

58. I agree with you.

When I woke up this morning, I felt exactly how I did the day after the 2016 election. Numb, depressed, worried about what he would do to the country. It was very much warranted back then. We can't even remember all the crap that he did there was so much of it. The incessant lies, the awful inauguration, the immediate unravelling of everything we've felt sacred. The pardons of his criminal buddies. The gutting of the National Park system.....I could go on and on and of course the killing of people because he did nothing about Covid.

We have every right to be worried and afraid. If people think our country's mental health is abysmal now, just wait if he gets in again.

[Scrivener7]

60. Thank you for saying this. I'm pretty tired of the Pollyannas

who greet every unprecedented disaster by blowing sunshine up our butts.

This is not ok. No miracles are being engineered behind the scenes. It would be idiotic not to be worried and many of us see nothing wrong with expressing that.

[Solly Mack]

63. K&R

[rzemanfl]

65. Can I talk about how fucking pissed off I am?

This is ridiculous, how can that miserable, lying, children and women molesting, thieving, ignorant, racist, misogynist, disgusting fascist piece of shit even be in the running? I hate TSF and Republicans with every fiber of my being.

I am depressed too, but anger is my primary emotion. That Corrupt Motherfucker has been screwing up my life since 2017.

[SpankMe]

69. We all know Joe and his team are fit to serve

But there are times to be loyal to the man, and times to consider the party and the agenda. These can be in conflict sometimes.

It should be fair to at least DISCUSS long term strategy (getting younger Dems in the pipeline). But anyone who dares discuss this gets their posts flagged as bashing Democratic figures.

Make no mistake, DU members and posters aren't exactly models of free speech. I've supported Democrats and the Democratic platform and agenda over certain individual Democrats and have had posts hidden by jury. Some of us on DU can be quite prickly.

But, I agree with the OP. The events of late are extraordinary and we are in an existential crisis. We must be allowed to express our fears and propose solutions that are a bit outside the box - without being censored.

We are Americans, progressives and Democrats. No one here waivers on the progressive agenda, even if we express a preference for one Democrat over another or suggest that one Democrat defer to another.

[Xipe Totec]

72. I feel anxiety dread and fear are contagious so I try not to share those feelings.

Call me a Pollyanna.

[Pototan]

75. Biden's performance did not cost him one vote from his base

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Most of us like President Biden, but we fear and hate Donald Trump more. I printed Biden President bumper stickers before he even declared. I felt then that the only Democrat who could beat Trump was Biden. My wife and I donated nearly $1,000 to his campaign during both the Primary and the Genral Election. I've met President Biden and have a cherished photograph of us together. I have sent that photograph to some of the posters here.

Having said that, the Debate performance makes it very, very difficult to win over any wavering or uncommitted voters. It's just what I've encountered.

I'm very worried.

[roamer65]

76. Now we know what Americans felt like before the election of 1860.

It was pretty obvious where things were heading.

[orangecrush]

78. You aren't alone.

This is terrifying.

[Stinky The Clown]

79. I agree completely

Speaking for myself, I want Joe to stay in the race and step down and give Harris incumbency and call for Whitmer to get Newsom into the race while Biden uses his new immunity.

And that was all in the past 3 seconds.

[58Sunliner]

80. Maybe it should be in a mental health forum.

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Most people have some concerns right now. Nothing is concrete. I just don't think it advances our cause or supports the site to post my personal fears when what we are here for is to support our party. I assume we all have some measure of anxiety right now. The last thing I want is to discourage others with my anxiety. No offense and nothing personal. I don't see you owning your feelings and fears, you state them as facts. As for your framing of "toxic positivism" I have to disagree and question your framing. The media is bullshit, the polls don't vote, and not every self-identified dem is supporting the dem party. You saying a second term of Trump is very probable is IMO, toxic pessimism. This isn't the forum for that. By the rules you should delete your post. You are discouraging dems.

[Ohioboy]

81. Post your concerns. It helps me to know I'm not the only one

I'm glad there are people concerned. We all should be. I'm surprised at the people who aren't.

With Trump, we've been there before. We've seen what he can do. We remember how he was helped in 2016 by disinformation, and a last minute investigation of Hillary Clinton. We remember his connections to Russia through crooks like Paul Manafort, the Flynn phone call, the Trump tower meeting, all the stuff contained in the Mueller report that got misrepresented.

We watched him get a pass on two impeachments!
Most recently, we see how the Supreme Court enabling him to delay any consequences for trying to overturn an election.

And now the election is our only hope.

[surfered]

82. I agree we should be able to discuss this without rancor, name calling or bashing those that disagree.

I believe Biden should keep doing short press briefings, like he did after the Supreme Court decision on immunity. He appeared sure of himself and the subject matter.

I also believe there are more landmines without him than with him. The election is 4 months away, let’s give him a chance.

[vapor2]

88. I am angry about each and every delay

and angry about how Aileen Cannon has not been removed even after over 1000 complaints. I have lost much hope after the SCOTUS ruling but we can't let fascism prevail. I also fail to understand why republicans hated to be told to wear masks during covid but yet not afraid of a dictator who will tell us all what to do and when to do it. Wish there was more reassurance here.

[Texasgal]

90. I think there is a difference

between talking about the issue as opposed to advocating for it.

Bottom line is, Biden will be the one that decides whether or not he drops. In my mind, he understands the absolute brevity of this election and is hanging on, as he should!

We need to back our nominee. We need to work to GOTV. We still have a lot of work to do.

Can we have fear? Sure! I see no problem with that. Let's just not mixed up in advocating for something that will not happen right now. We need to rally!

[mucifer]

99. I agree. I always thought of DU as a discussion board where dems are allowed to discuss

But, now I feel like I have to be careful about what I post because I am not at all optimistic anymore. I really appreciate this thread.

Also, I saw with my own eyes President Biden at the debate. I can't discuss my thoughts and opinions about the reality of what is going on.

But, I love DU and will continue to edit myself here. I just wish I didn't have to.

[appmanga]

101. The situation may seem "dire"...

...but you beat anxiety, fear, and dread with action. WE ARE THE CALVARY. Kamala Harris isn't the savior, neither is Gavin Newsome or Gretchen Whitmer. There's no guarantee any of them will win anymore than there is Biden will, but the only piece of courage we need is to stand by our presumptive nominee and explain to people why they should as well. If saving democracy isn't enough for them, they can look forward to the bread and circuses Trump will bring.

I've said before I'm not going to tell anyone not to be afraid, but I know acting now in the way we must will be easier than doing it under an authoritarian. In my mind, there's a real possibility I will be one of those who will die in the street fighting against what Trump will bring. My best chance for continuing to live is to do all I can to stop him from becoming president again. And I believe we can do that if we can stop with the "what-ifs" and get to work.

[Stuckinthebush]

103. Refreshing post

I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more push back. I just don't want to discuss on DU anymore because of the attacks if you say anything that doesn't toe the line that there is nothing wrong here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

105. 1000%. I don't like being controlled and being told how to act.

That is what Republicans do. As long as people are not beating up any Dems. I’m not going to blindly cheer on any candidate until I know who has the best chance of winning. If that’s Biden, then go Biden. I will vote for anyone that runs against Trump in the end.