I Guess I Missed The DU Rapist Genesis... But...

[WillyT]

My sister, one of three, was kicked out of her boyfriend's Corvette because she was trying to break her relationship off.

He circled her twice saying, "I love you, baby."

And then ran his Corvette into the stadium wall at Sac City College... killing himself, right in front of her.

Two years later... same sister... was asked by a guy if she wanted to dance...

She politely said no, and thanked the guy.

30 minutes later... as she was walking to her VW, thinking her friends were right behind her...

This same guy tells her to open the car door and get in there with him.

She refuses (going against the advice of law enforcement) and he slices her arm with a swith-blade to show how serious he is. When he does that, she screams bloody murder. And then he stabs her three time in the back... puncturing her lung.

She survives still... and is one AWESOME and forgiving person.

The reason I tell these rather personal tales...

Is twofold.

1) Try to distinguish between the various forms of rape... in order to keep RAPE un-muddled as a crime.

And...

2) Remember... (not letting anybody off the hook here) but... many of us here at DU actually lived through the sexual revolution. And many did it with differing consequences.

But, as I remember, the challenge was, once you turned 18, you own your own body, and your own decisions.

I never took advantage of a sleeping woman because my philosophy is...

"I don't want to attend a party I ain't invited to."

And twice in my young sexual revolutionary life... I was in mid... well ... you know...

and as soon as I knew the rules had changed, I backed away,and put it all away, and hugged them, and exited as friends.

The Sexual Revolution WAS a lot about stuff like that. It was about learning new realities and social mores.

Don't know if this makes any sense, but... my 2 cents.

[graham4anything]

2. Yes, It makes sense to me.

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( rape is rape, I don't differentiate between any types)

And NOT saying YES means NO
no and,or, ifs, no parsing

and it never hurts to wait til morning, or the next night especially if drinking is involved

(not to be moralistic or anything.)

(even watching older entertainment, a good example would be the Rat Pack-one cringes now with most of what they did, all IS not be socially acceptable anymore, is it?)

[seabeyond]

4. geezus, this is ridiculous. i have two teen age boys. respect is not hard. that simple. neither

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are having any issues. i gotta wonder if they were taught to be respectful of people, if they are so fathomless on something so very fuckin simple.

done done done.

you men are having a really really hard time letting this dominant/entitlement thing go, arent you?

[graham4anything]

8. Isn't that what I said? NO means no. And why is this man/woman? It is all people

Did I not say if one doesn't say yes it means NO

did I not say people should wait til the morning and if they drink, let the booze leave the system?

did I not say no means no

no if, ands or parsing?

Why would you hay different?

I do think it is sad that there is so much bullying

And why equate this with man and woman?
It could be the woman that is the agressor
It can be 2 men
It can be 2 women

Why stereotype that it is only man and woman?

Personally, was not even thinking man/woman but anyone.

There is no difference in who the two people are you know

That would be very insulting to same sex partners wouldn't it?
And its sexist to think it only happens one way.

Just as easily can be the other way, as note by all the female teachers that rape their male students who are much younger. Rape is RAPE in all cases

same in business

Any boss flirting with a worker and carrying it further is chancing abuse or worse
becausse there is power there.And bullying

Same that Thomas Jefferson did to his slaves.

And respect is not enough. One has to make sure they don't hear what they want to hear
(and disregard the fact that not saying yes is indeed NO.)

so why are you screaming at me?

[Suich]

3. Good post, WillyT, but I have a question;

What did you mean by:

"She refuses (going against the advice of law enforcement)"?

Was someone in law enforcement suggesting she actually get in the car with him?

TIA

[RKP5637]

6. Thanks for asking that, I was wondering too ... n/t

[WillyT]

7. At That Time... The Theory Was Don't Fight Back... Don't Piss Them Off Further...

[Suich]

9. There's a new theory now:

DO NOT go to a second location! Fight like your life depends on it because it probably does.

Your sister sounds like a very special woman!

[WillyT]

10. She Is...

And that was 1977.

[seabeyond]

5. thanks for the post willy, discussing your sisters strength

that is horrible what she went thru.

it is a no win. actually we are told to never never relocate. get in the car. your sister did the right thing. though, it was an horrible experience.

[WillyT]

11. :hug:

[WillyT]

12. :shrug: