Yaknow why the media isn't asking Trump to drop out?

[EarlG]

Because every time the media has challenged Trump, the response from Republicans has been FUCK YOU, WE DON'T CARE.

Found liable for defaming the woman he raped?
Found guilty of 34 felonies?
Impeached once?
Impeached twice?
January 6?
Stealing top secret documents?
And on and on and on...

Republicans, led by Trump, have responded to each and every one of these political crises by saying FUCK YOU to the media. And it has worked -- at least in the sense that the media has backed off.

The fact is, the press are bullies. They will get in your face and make your life miserable. But if you punch them in the face, they'll back off. Republicans have learned this. Democrats haven't.

What Biden and Harris are trying to do right now is punch back against the media bullies. If they can punch hard enough, the media will back off and move on. Hell, the media might even start treating them with a bit more respect.

That will require all of us -- party leaders and grassroots together -- to have Joe and Kamala's backs. Just like the Republicans do it. Unfortunately many Democrats right now seem to be acting like if we give the media our lunch money, maybe they won't bully us tomorrow. Good luck with that.

The debate was bad. We're down in the polls. So what? Stand up and fight twice as hard and let's see how this race looks after a successful, united convention. The next narrative after "disaster for Biden" should be "Biden comes back." Let's make it happen.

[sheshe2]

1. Biden-Harris 2024

I am with them, both of them.

[DDySiegs]

30. YES TO BOTH OF THEM!!!!

[Think. Again.]

2. Go Joe!!! 🌊 !!!

[Baitball Blogger]

3. Especially when they have advanced info

On Trump’s involvement with epstein’s minors. Shame on them.

[sheshe2]

9. They are all in for saving that fetus...

They don’t give a ra about young girls being raped by predators like tsf. Hell, these so called “Christians” want to elect him king!

[madibella]

4. You're exactly right.

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Some Democrats are weak. They let the media run with this and added fuel to the fire by being so meek.
Republicans have no honor. They’d spit in the face of the press, threaten them and get what they want.
Here’s the proof. It’s happening right now.
People don’t want Biden out because of one bad debate, they want him out because the press is running rampant with the mission and Democrats will of course give in.
Careful though, push Biden out and there will be plenty of pissed off voters who will protest and not vote at all.

[Nimble_Idea]

14. please edit your post to reflect "some" at the least

your generalization is not advisable nor allowed here at DU.

[madibella]

63. Appreciate the advice.

In my mind it goes without saying that I do not mean every single Democrat. I’ll include some.
Thank you.

[Hekate]

15. Weak? Meek? TY so much for stomping on all of us.

[madibella]

64. Should have said some.

Apologies for offending. Was not my goal at all.

[rzemanfl]

19. I've been busy washing socks and here I go again. Sigh,

[Hekate]

51. I hope you used Woolite for the socks you're washing -- smells nice when you're done....

Between the socks and the zombies and the probable bots, it looks like we’re in for a bumpy ride.

[ms liberty]

5. This is the answer. Here's what I did to support Joe today:

I emailed the WH and told Joe to keep fighting and go on the offensive. I called Schumer AND Jeffries offices and told them I support Joe and they needed to get their Democrats in line and start fighting, go on offense and quit being whiners. The Repukes don't back down, don't admit fault, don't apologize. We need to be tougher, more aggressive and on offense. I posted this in a different thread, but I'm repeating it here for emphasis.
AND. Our Democrats need to hear from us that we are with Joe. Call, email. Please. This is the time to make ourselves heard.

If someone would start a trend to donate $20.24 to Joe's campaign I would totally join in. Or maybe it should be $81.00, lol?

I'm so angry about this that I could spit nails.

[EarlG]

7. Thank you for doing this

[ms liberty]

8. Thank you for keeping DU up and running. It's my lifeline.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

43. I donated 50 bucks the day after the debate.

[Butterflylady]

49. That is great.

If Joe was so bad, he still brought millions into the coffers. You would think that no one would give a cent.

Me, plus a lot boomers still want Biden. Heck we are getting older, but he*l, we're not dead. We still can outwork a lot of you.

[dobleremolque]

76. We donated $34. One dollar for each of

TSF's felony convictions.

[bigtree]

6. stellar advice

"...if you punch them in the face, they'll back off. Republicans have learned this. Democrats haven't."

[niyad]

25. When they go low, we go lower. . like for the crotch. That gets their attention.

I am thinking of a line from "Great American Bitch" in "SUFFS". One of the suffragists sings that, "when my boss tried to fondle me under my skirt, I kicked him and kicked him in the crotch, where it hurt."

[livetohike]

10. Thank you EarlG. I'm ready to fight. Not putting

up with this.

[PatSeg]

11. Thank you

[Nimble_Idea]

12. FINALLY. Someone making sense

"we give the media our lunch money, maybe they won't bully us tomorrow. Good luck with that."

or "Big Donors"

You will hear the argument about alt-realities and echo chambers, but that is besides the eff'ing point.
TEAM JOE, don't fucking budge, FOR ANYONE.

[rubbersole]

13. The "drop out" drumbeat is unrelenting right now.

After it's apparent Joe isn't quitting the media will go back to "old". tsf is the most flawed person to be on the national scene in modern history. Covering that up is impossible. They're trying, but Americans can see it. Let's hope they care.

[Bluethroughu]

16. BIDEN NEVER LEFT!

Biden is a winner!
Trump is a loser.
Facts matter.

[Hekate]

17. With gratitude, EarlG

[ffr]

18. 100% this!!!

I was going to post earlier that we should copy a page from the GOP/QOP playbook, double-down and actually like Biden more for being human.

[jmbar2]

20. K&R!

[DinahMoeHum]

21. Amen. "Fuck You We Don't Care'

should be OUR RESPONSE as well.

And that goes DOUBLE for EVERY Democratic Party member.

[niyad]

22. THANK YOU, EarlG! BIDEN/HARRIS 2024!!!

[mcar]

23. "Republicans have learned this. Democrats haven't"

That's it in a nutshell. Shame on squishy Democrats for abandoning the best president in my lifetime (I'm 65).

[Wild blueberry]

24. Yes! A billion times YES!

Thank you for writing this, EarlG.
I sent my email to Joe, donated money the night of the debate, and will be fighting with all my might between now and November 5, and then some more because the Death Cult will ratfuck some more, but I will be there fighting.
Like another poster said, I'm so furious I could spit nails.

[yellowdogintexas]

31. I donated after the debate and made it monthly through the election.

I had not sent any money to him because I was concentrating on a couple of in state races and do not have a lot of donation money to spare. I just wanted to be part of the wave of support, better now than later.

[BoRaGard]

26. k and r

[cynical_idealist]

27. I agree

Don't let the "dark forces" shape our reality

[Deek1935]

28. Yup! Spot on!

[Uncle Joe]

29. The corporate media have a natural kinship with the Republicans because they are authoritarian by nature

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just as corporations are.

Both institutions have short term vision looking max at the next quarterly report which also carries over to climate change recognition.

The larger the corporate media conglomerate becomes the less connected it is to the reality and plight of actual people, but they have mastered marketing and human psychology for selling and influencing purposes.

Republicans are all in on authoritarianism and subservience to oligarchy as is the overwhelming majority of the corporate media's ownership.

That's what made the GOP so vulnerable to becoming an actual cult.

*rump is just saying out loud what the most disconnected corporate media owners believe in.

Thanks for the thread EarlG.

[questionseverything]

65. The media is easy on repubs because it's owned by repubs

We shouldn’t forget that

[LeftInTX]

69. They're vultures.

[live love laugh]

32. Republican billionaire-owned media wants tax breaks. Period.

[Ms. Toad]

33. Punching back should not include throwing trans folks under the bus,

by endorsing a ban on gender-affirming surgery for minors. Just like abortion, that decision belongs in the hands of trans individuals (and their families as long as they are unemancipated minors) and their doctors.

In endorsing such a ban, Biden handed his lunch money to the same bullies who have been attacking the LGBTQ community for decades.

It is harder to give unqualified support to someone who views the support of the LGBTQ community an appropriate sacrifice in the search for votes. I knocked on doors for Kerry in 2004 - something that is not in my nature, because the stakes were so high. While doing so I hid my opposition to Issue 1 (Ohio's marriage discrimination amendment) because I knew that some Kerry supporters opposed my marriage. I campaigned separately, creating a website and media tools to oppose Issue 1 - since everyone knew it was a losing cause no one even bothered to mount an opposition. Then I showed up here the day after the election and got blasted for being too vocal about wanting my special pony, when the reality was that the issue was placed on the ballot to drive conservatives to the polls, who would vote for Bush while they were there.

I tolerated Obama's wishy-washy legal recognition but not marriage stance, but was sick enough at his invitation to a raging anti-gay pastor to give the prayer at his inauguration that I could not even bear to watch it.

The same kind of campaign is going on now, directed primarily at trans individuals, and Biden just gave comfort to the enemy.

I know Biden will ultimately get my lunch money - but right now I'm just not feeling like cheerleading being used as political fodder, once again.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. You may want to check Latest Breaking News; look for Mississippi judge ruling.

[Ms. Toad]

37. I know about the ruling - and anticipated it since the Supreme Court decision overruling Chevron.

I also anticipate that regulatory actions related to benefit associated with same gender marriage will be declared outside of the relevant agency's purview, and reversed.

But that does not mean Biden has to endorse it - any more than he endorsed the decision on immunity. Did you see his press conference endorsing limited immunity for Trump? Neither did I, in fact the exact opposite. He disagreed with the court decision - and gave a news conference to that effect. Just because there was a negative lower court ruling does not mean he had to issue a statement endorsing any part of it. In fact, I expected him to do the exact opposite - or, at a bare minimum, remain silent.

Speaking out in favor of even a part of the ruling is spitting in the face of long-time allies. I'm tired of wiping the spittle off my face.

[KPN]

58. Your opinion and feelings are legitimate. Good and admirable

of you to share them. It’s important to always pry open minds.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

34. I want to shake a few "party leaders" who have fallen for and fed this shit.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Do a Muhammad Ali and knock 'em out!

[ForgedCrank]

38. Absolutely none

of that stuff matters until we start promoting Biden administration successes and stop focusing on the jackass running against him. We need moderate voters, and they are mostly uninterested in and weary of the soap opera approach. We may not see it that way, but they do. Those people want to know about fiscal and immigration policy, not how many times Trump call Epstein or how many times the house voted to impeach him. None of this has worked out for us so far, and it's not going to change in the next 4 months either.

[DoBW]

39. Ridin with Biden

all set w diaper demento

[quakerboy]

40. Russia has invaded Ukraine and shows no shame at the atrocities they commit.

They dont care that their leader is a despot sending troops to commit war crimes.

Should Ukraine then go and kidnap Russian children and blow up Russian civilian hospitals to show equal strength.


Republicans support criminals and crime and corruption, Incompetence, hate, and sociopathy as long as they think it harms those they hate.

I am no republican. I do not blindly support anyone.

I support the Biden presidency. Its been one of the better ones. I was looking forward to voting for him and watching him trounce Trump. I also acknowledge that the debate was a horrific experience to watch, and left me with a lot of questions. I didnt watch the punditry before or after, I watched the debate. Trump was lying and unsuited for any office. Bidens presidency speaks for itself, but Biden on the stage spoke a very different story. If Biden were to decide his remaining years would be better spent focusing on his family, and that a younger candidate with more energy might be a better choice to stuff trump into the footnotes of history books, I would 100% support that.

[EarlG]

53. Fine, but that's not what he's doing

He's announced he's going to stay in the race and fight. So now what? Are you in or out?

It's funny. I've been watching people for years on this board asking why we can't be more like Republicans. Republicans will do anything to win -- why can't we? My answer has always been the same as what you're driving at with the Ukraine analogy. If we do the same things that Republicans do -- if we lie, and cheat, and steal our way into power -- then we're no better than they are. And if we're the same as them, what's the point of any of this?

It means we have to spend half the time fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. But that's the price we pay for choosing the side of truth, decency, and the rule of law. We have to stand up for ideals by demonstrating them ourselves, otherwise we're just hypocrites.

None of that is what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about standing up for ourselves and not letting the media kick us around or bully us into submission. I'm talking about fighting for our values, by fighting for our nominee, who represents what we stand for -- truth, decency, and the rule of law. I'm talking about fighting against their nominee, who represents lying, cheating, and stealing.

We know the difference between right and wrong, and we will not become them just because we choose to fight.

[quakerboy]

57. Words are words.

And What we have so far is words. Probably reflecting the reality, but in my opinion what I saw at that debate was enough to justify very high level behind the scenes conversations and negotiations, and things sometimes change very quickly in life.

I would not support a hostile fight to remove Biden from being our nominee.

I am voting for the democratic nominee.

Biden has had one of the best presidencies of my lifetime. Assuming he is the nominee, I will vote for him again, because whatever the situation behind the scenes, it is working well.

But what i saw at the debate was profoundly disturbing. Enough so i would be very open to him stepping back for the good of the nation. And voting for a different person as nominee. That was not the case before I watched the debate.

[EarlG]

59. Are you in or out?

I hear you saying that Biden has done a great job as president -- one of the best in your lifetime in fact -- and that you will vote for him. That's all I need to hear.

Biden has announced that he's staying in and he's going to fight. There's no "assuming" he will be the nominee. He IS the nominee. So either fight for him, or get out of the way. It's time to project strength, not weakness.

[Hekate]

71. "We will not become them just because we choose to fight" -- Pow!

[LeftInTX]

72. The media are vultures

I don't see how Democrats don't get this.

Even left wing media are vultures, that's what they do. They're out for a "story" and if there isn't one, they will kinda pressure you into one.

How it is:

"Are you supporting Biden?"

"Yeah, yeah"

"What did you think of his debate performance?"

"Well it wasn't very good"

"Do you support him withdrawing?"

"Well no"

"What would you do to help him"

"Well, were gonna have a meeting"

"OK"

Story:
Dems will have a meeting to discuss Biden's withdrawal.

How it should be:

"Are you supporting Biden?"

"Of course I am. Why do you ask?"

"What did you thinking of his debate performance?"

"I want to know what you thought of Trump's awful, horrific, lying, most bigoted debate performance in the history of debates. Now good bye"

[solara]

84. Hear! Hear! EarlG

Thank you for posting..

[Silver Gaia]

41. THANK YOU for this post, EarlG!

We are 100% onboard with Biden at my house, and have never wavered. Gov. Newsom, our governor, called it "nonsensical" to even consider replacing Biden, and we stand firmly with that sentinent. Enough already! Let's get busy and fight this nonsense with everything we've got!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

42. True

Just read a Facebook post about the numerous times Trump used Jeffery Epstein's services.

The MAGA response was who cares? You're just drinking the Kool-Aid.

[llmart]

56. We're not trying to reach the MAGA crowd.

They are a lost cause. I don't think anyone here thinks we have the power to change anyone who is a cult member. Even the most experienced psychologists can't deprogram cult members.

We are trying to reach those that are on the fence between not voting at all or voting for Biden. That's our target audience.

[dlk]

44. Democrats should take a page from the Republican playbook

Joe is our nominee. We are up against a monster who will end America, as we know it, if he’s elected. It will take all of our time and effort to beat him. Let’s keep our eye in the ball.

[Evolve Dammit]

45. Agreed.

[TBF]

46. Donated to Joe on 6/30 -

I thought he needed a show of strength after the debate.

No one is guaranteed anything in this world - a candidate could be 40 years old and killed in a car accident at any time. Biden beat Trump once already so he's a great candidate (as we already decided in the primary). If something happened and VP Harris is suddenly the candidate, then I've got her as well.

I truly cannot think of anything worse than another 4 years of Trump. He literally told people to drink bleach the last time he was allowed in the White House. IDK why anyone considers him a serious candidate.

[pansypoo53219]

47. he is theor ratings golden calf. they can't help themselves. ratings comes before ANYTHING.

DEBATE MOTORCADE VIDDEO? fuck SEE an N.

[louslobbs]

48. YES! Thank you for this......

👍🏼

[marble falls]

50. Biden/Harris all the way. If Biden falters, Harris will pick up the baton, and if we give Joe Biden the ...

... the Congress he deserves: we'll have a Democrat to be there to back her.

[BootinUp]

52. TY.

[The Wizard]

54. It's no longer there to inform the electorate.

It's infotainment for ratings as ratings translate into profit.

[Scrivener7]

55. Exactly!!!

(Though at first I thought you were repeating a question asked by someone named Yaknow. )

[liberalla]

60. Thank you for saying this! And for ALL you do!

[jmowreader]

61. The media is terrified of Trump

His "fake news!" crap has killed a lot of media outlets through boycotts from the hard right. It's best for your survival to treat Trump with kid gloves.

[et tu]

62. worked to hard

for my lunch money-
not giving it up
unite and vote blue in roevember!

[RainCaster]

66. The GOP has no one better to offer

Think about it- who in the Republican party is any better than the Orange Ass Clown? They have spent so much time kissing TSF's ass, that they have not put any thought into who might replace him, if he ends up in prison.

[Baggies]

67. If Obama and Party leaders decide he's out, then he's out.

What is desired at this site holds no bearing.

[58Sunliner]

68. Right on!

[Progressive dog]

70. It would be so nice if the media talking heads gave a damn about our democracy.

They obviously don't. With Hillary we had the e-mails and secret servers. When the MAGA crowd accused the Democratic party of running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop they helped publicize it. After all they did to Hillary in the name of important news, I don't want to hear their opinions on who should run for president as a Democrat. The MAGA could say that they would install a convicted felon dictator as President and the media would focus on Biden's age. OMG They did.
Can you imagine what GOP lies they'll amplify against a Democrat who replaces Biden. I don't believe we will give them what they want, but we need to remember that the GOP has no conscience to stop them from making things up or even for admitting they lied when caught red handed. The media will report their lies as truth until the lies are so conclusively dis-proven that even they have to look for a sparkly new toy to keep their audience watching. A different candidate won't fix the problem.
If our democracy is going to be destroyed. I want to at least to be able to say that I didn't fall for the BS that equates being old with being a self admitted opponent of democracy, rule of law, and common human decency.

[LeftInTX]

73. Thanks for this!!! So true!!!

[bluboid]

74. well put, EarlG...

especially this part: '...Unfortunately many Democrats right now seem to be acting like if we give the media our lunch money, maybe they won't bully us tomorrow. Good luck with that.'

time to see things thru a broader lens & realize that there are options left that don't involve selling out American democracy.

[czarjak]

75. Pussy-Grabber passes have to expire sometime.

[proud patriot]

77. Biden has my back

I have his

[KS Toronado]

78. Wish Biden would find a reason to get on TV every day

to make some announcement to the voting public. Hell start out with why isn't MSM reminding you I was
under the weather the night of the debate, they sure are good at ignoring tsf's constant lies, why can't
they ignore a simple cold which has gone away by the way?

[shrike3]

79. You're right.

I worked in media and was never that impressed with many of my colleagues. Your proposal is a good one.

[NJCher]

80. July 3 Chris Hayes

Makes a similar argument.

[JohnSJ]

81. Absolutely

[flamingdem]

83. Lawrence O'Donnell had clips from the press conference today with bully examples

Nasty reporters badgering and the comment that Biden would be sleeping instead of working.

They are gross bullies themselves. Biden and Harris need to take no prisoners. From now on!

[gademocrat7]

85. K&R

Thank you, EarlG.

[ucrdem]

86. "Biden comes back," I like it!

Thanks Earl for a welcome word of wisdom! So glad to see DU hanging tight. Wasn't sure what to find but everywhere I look I find great threads like this one I wish I could rec a thousand times!
I think Joe is gonna pull out of this and get reelected. I know it. Every time I hear a clip of Trump from that bizarrely mis-reported debate I think what the heck were the pundits and weak-knees watching, anyway?
I watched the whole thing and Joe did what he had to do. Maybe he fumbled one or two numbers but for 90 minutes without notes --- that's right, no notes were allowed -- I thought he did a pretty damn good job, 80 years old or not. Especially in contrast to a bizarre talking kewpi doll that belongs in a traveling circus from hell. Anyway thanks and rec!

[Paladin]

87. The media want trump back in because they're LAZY.

With somebody as sick, twisted, grandiose and crime-driven as trump, the stories just write themselves, with minimal need of any journalistic skills. Don't believe me? Catch the latest output from Maureen Dowd and the rest of the NYT crew.

[BlueSky3]

88. "What Biden and Harris are trying to do right now is punch back..."

…against the media bullies.”

Thank goodness, And I hope Democrats find an organized way to help them do this. It’s up to all of us.

[Kid Berwyn]

89. The media are in the pockets of fascists.

Gee. They didn't bother to follow up when Bush Jr was asked about war with Iran at a presser on February 14, 2007: "Money trumps peace."

[calimary]

90. And they just can't resist the damn horse race.

Just GOTTA have a fucking horse race. The DAMN STUPID FUCKING horse race.

[usonian]

91. You decide. Debate transcript from CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript

[jayschool2013]

92. Philadelphia Inquirer, June 29, 2024: To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-presidential-debate-joe-biden-donald-trump-withdraw-20240629.html

It's a small step, but it's a step in the right direction.

For the record, the New York Times has called Trump "unfit for office" dozens of times, including in their May 30 opinion piece called "Trump, Felon," but their obsession with Biden's debate performance is maddening.

[ColinC]

93. Of course Biden will come back. He always does 😎

[spanone]

94. Thanks EarlG

[spanone]

95. Thanks EarlG

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

96. Yep, of course the M$M won't say

the pussy-grabbing, lie-a-minute, wanna-be-dictator, insurrectionist felon should drop out of the race--they are corporate whores who love tax-slashing RWers in office.

However, I can't see how Democrats don't dismiss suggestions that Biden should drop out by pointing out the above.

But then, I'm obviously missing something. For instance, I also can't understand why anti-Trump comedians still find it necessary to constantly make jokes about Biden's age. Very seldom are they even funny above a very childish level.

Yes, it's true Biden's old (though, so is shit-for-brains Dolt 45), but he's still a billion times better than Trump. Switch out those Biden-is-old jokes for slams on any of Trump's million character flaws, word salad speeches, moronic beliefs, etc.

Trump is an existential threat to our democracy and our lives, in many cases. It's war. Avoid friendly fire!

[Deep State Witch]

97. He Brings In The Clicks

He brings in the customers with subscriptions and clicks.

[canetoad]

98. Because

He is The Human Headline.

[Cha]

99. THANK YOU EARLG!! BOOKARKED!!

[Cha]

100. Kick TY

[LetMyPeopleVote]

101. I was also wondering why TFG is not being asked to drop out

[Silent Type]

102. The media was all over trump during his rape, fraud, borking a pornstar trials. It was 24/7 and deserved.

Unfortunately, we weren't able to keep that ball rolling in the debate and aftermath.

[Bayard]

103. K&R

Thanks, EarlG