A Very Tearful Farewell

[NanceGreggs]

Still reeling from Monday's devastating SCOTUS decision, I came back to DU today in hopes of finding the comfort and camaraderie I have always found here, along with a sense of renewed commitment to fight the good fight in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds.

What I found instead was post after post about how "Joe must go".

"But what about his debate performance" is the new "But what about her emails." 

"We'll do just fine with a different candidate."   In other words. let's tell voters that  Democrats will fight for democracy, freedom, and the Constitution - we just won't fight for our own President. 

Joe has had our backs for three and a half years.  It is beyond sad that so many people here no longer have his.

And with that said, I leave DU.  I just want to offer a final thank you to EarlG and Elad for all they've done in the past, and to all of you who have befriended me over the years.  I will miss you more than I can say.

With a corrupt MAGA Supreme Court in place, our democracy is hanging by a thread.   Our best chance to salvage what's left of that democracy is Joe Biden, a proven fighter.

I simply don't want to be around those who can't move fast enough to throw him under the bus.
I

[samplegirl]

1. Please don't leave

Many of us here feel the same. Not all of us wanna throw him under the bus.
We need your voice here!

[PatSeg]

77. Most of what I have read at DU

has been supportive of Joe and very critical of the media. I'm not seeing a whole lot of "Joe should quit" posts or comments.

[Trueblue1968]

92. I have see a number of anti biden posts wnich i think SHOULD NOT

Have been allowed.

I think DU Should have prepared a message to us all .... And DU management, it is about time measure s were taken to stop the bad posts.

Please see ......Stinky the clown s message !!!!!
I will continue to alert all the bad notes.

I hope the OP Nancy stays. It is horrible that whiny negatively is control ing our site. Please don't leave !!!!!

[mahina]

2. Wishing you comfort and heart's ease. Been on a million juries, alerts on those posts.

Thought we’d brought it down from a tsunami to a ripple, receding.

Many (almost all) were from sleeper accounts with few posts. I cant know their motivation but their behavior was uniformly disruptive. They all got the heave-ho.

I’m telling you that to say this- DU stood up for Joe. It’s been a rough few days but the preponderance of DUers get it. The push to replace Joe is a)stupid, b) doomed to fail by design and c) a gift to the orange devil. They will fail. Joe will win. We will prevail.

Be well, take best care of your precious lovely true blue self, love. See you when I see you. Aloha nō Nance.

Ps I remember when I left DU once. It made me cry too. Sending you love and hope for healing (and a blue tsunami.)

[SupportSanity]

166. This is very important information. This should be a message from DU leaders to all DU members

Been on a million juries, alerts on those posts.

Thought we’d brought it down from a tsunami to a ripple, receding.

Many (almost all) were from sleeper accounts with few posts. I cant know their motivation but their behavior was uniformly disruptive. They all got the heave-ho.

It would be important for members to know that this is what's been happening on the board.

It's not a surprise to me that sleeper accounts have been activated to disrupt us.

Remember, one of the goals of an oppressive regime is to have the oppressed fight against each other.

[Mister Ed]

3. Please stay and fight.

Please.

[Voltaire2]

4. The most important objective is beating TCF.

[lostnfound]

5. My 1st reaction was 'Naturally. Everything else is falling apart, so naturally here's one more..."

My 1st reaction was ‘Naturally. Everything else is falling apart, so naturally here’s one more…”
Your presence here is a clear voice that I’ve enjoyed.
My country is falling apart/slipping towards fascism, my kid’s condition is terrifying me, my own health is deteriorating, finances have been hammered lately…
Your announcement fits in with a pattern of loss and deterioration.

[hlthe2b]

6. NanceGreggs, if you leave, you leave the rest of us who feel as you do...

and there are a hell of a lot of us--even despite the loud barrage of constant posts to the contrary.

I'm dipping in, skimming through the pages, and being very selective as to what I read. Hell, I've not been able to even discuss the whole issue since the debate with my sister (who I speak with by phone daily) or others that I already KNOW feel as I do. I'm just holding my breath for a while and taking it day by day.

But. it still helps to know like-minded "friends" are out there, as there are here. And we are going to need them even more when things calm down.

[madamesilverspurs]

7. I share your dismay.

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And after reading one too many "gotta go" posts I posted this:
Joe Biden has already beaten Trump once. Trump hates that, he’s afraid that Biden could do it again. Biden had a cold at the debate and was a bit slow in responding to Trump’s fire hose of lies, distortions, inanities, and outright fabrications. Now there are some Democrats who, instead of offering some moral chicken soup, have decided that giving Trump what he wants, Biden's departure, is the way to win in November. Be advised that there are many Democrats for whom such rolling over and playing dead is never going to happen; I am among them."

Your posts brought me to DU way back when, and your encouragement invited my participation (such as it is). It just will not be the same without you here. I am forever thankful for your kindness and inspiration. Here's hoping we cross paths elsewhere. I won't say goodbye, but I will say "Thank you." Be well.

.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Rec'd because you have been such a great DU'er

And I really hope you will be able to rejoin us with time.

[Cha]

9. Oh No, Nance! I know what you mean by

wanting comfort... That's what I was looking for today, and I found it.. there are huge pockets of Comfort here.. Many are in Fighting Mode and NOT Game Over Mode.

Like Pres Biden said.. "'I'm running and We're Going to WIN!"

And This... So Inspiring!

Link to tweet

Leave if that's what you need to do.. But Come BAck!

[solara]

10. Please don't go, Dear Nance

You are such a strong, articulate voice for reason, for mindfulness and connection. Every time you post here, it is like you have read my mind and are saying with your words exactly what is in my heart and how I feel when I just can't find the words myself and I know I am not alone in this.

Not everyone here is a fool.

I am also dismayed, depressed and feeling nearly hopeless because of the weakness and fear shown by these folks -some of whom should not only know better, but should also know to wait to speak until we all hear from Joe himself- They are fools and tools who call for the best President in my lifetime ( and I am old) to step down after one..ONE debate.

I feel you and I deeply thank you for feeling me. I can only speak for myself or I would have included everyone here who have clearly NOT lost their minds.

Thank you once again for always speaking the truth. But please, please don't leave DU.. You inspire and your voice is needed now more than ever.

[applegrove]

11. Don't go for good. Just take some time. It is a

gut wrenching time.

[ClearSky24]

12. I don't like this sort of defeatist attitude.

The goal here is to beat Trump. Whatever it takes.

There are extremely smart, powerful, and ruthless people (but in a positive way this time!) in the democratic leadership who know what needs to be done to achieve this.

So lighten up. Whatever needs to happen, will happen.

[yorkster]

68. Defeatist is strong language. This is a damn

difficult time. So go a bit easier...
Hopefully Nance will come back at some point.

[Hekate]

81. Best you excuse yourself from this discussion then. Nance is an old & much valued friend of 20 years...

I’m going to keep reading.

[niyad]

145. Thank you.

[hlthe2b]

117. No one here is being defeatist. n/t

[mahina]

128. Cold

[niyad]

144. See post 143.

[Easterncedar]

13. Please don't be gone for long

The fight is real and it needs every one of us.

I am distressed and worried, too, but breaking our coalition is the goal of the enemy, and we need to stand together.

Take a step back, yes; rest and recover and do, please, rejoin us when you can.

[we can do it]

14. I feel the same. I don't want to lose our country. Fight with us.

[betsuni]

15. Back when I lurked for years, you were DU. Think it was called Nance Rants?

Don't blame you for leaving.

[themaguffin]

16. No need for straw men. Oof.

[BoRaGard]

17. Don't be bamboozled by the bots

[LeftInTX]

18. The majority of us are complaining about outside sources:

Such as the media, pundits, and elected officials who are calling for Biden to withdraw.

That's what most of the threads consist of.

Someone posts an article and it gets us all mad.

The person posting doesn't necessarily support what the person in the article is proposing.

[DFW]

19. Not to say your post was premature, but please consider the following:

I also was chagrined (to put it mildly) to read all the “Joe must go” posts, but I also noticed that a great many of them were by posters I did not recognize.

So, while having a few hours every week awake due to jet lag, I took the time to check a few profiles. The most ardent advocates of Biden dropping out—not all, but a majority—were either very new members with very few posts, or else long time members with very few posts, i.e. lurkers. Now I know that some long-time lurkers are very much solid DU members who don’t post much, for their own reasons. But others seem to wake up out of their deep cover only when disruption seems most effective. Frankly, I suspect the DNC has similar plants on right wing boards. “Know what the opposition is thinking.” None less than right wing guru and activist (we should still fear him at age 90!) Richard Viguerie told me he firmly believed in doing that.

These plants, both newbies and sleepers, cannot be allowed to control our narrative.

It happens, I have noticed, periodically, and it gets intense every primary season. I even left for several months during the 2016 primary season, when Sanders advocates flooded and dominated DU to the point that they were getting other members’ posts—if they dissented from supporting Sanders—alerted on or even deleted. Some remain (the two or three sincere ones, I suspect), but the most ardent of the one-trick ponies left for greener pastures once the nomination was official. The timing was certainly NOT coincidental.

A friend of mine, a name you might remember (Howard Dean), told me this on the subject at hand: “I think it’s overblown by self important pundits. We will know more by the end of next week given the short attention span of the public and the press.” Howard is the last person to underestimate the power of self-important pundits, especially if they are great in number and united in purpose. But he also had a pretty good record as DNC chairman when he correctly assessed the benefits of waiting out that short attention span.

It is for that reason, along with the curious pattern emerging in most—granted, not all—of the most fervent advocates of Biden’s withdrawal, that I would plead with you to stick with your long-term friends here, and disregard the drive-by shooters. As with the ones who use cars and real guns, they don’t tend to stick around long after doing their damage.

From your own long term friend,

DFW

[LeftInTX]

53. I noticed that too. Low post count, long time member

Now I get it......

It's like they came out of the woodwork

[DFW]

59. Exactly. They're here, but they ain't all us.

Like the "Genocide Joe" crowd, who is now starting to fade, these people will only be active until they or their handlers will feel that their objective has been accomplished, or when no else bothers to engage them. Like Lenin said, a lie, when shouted loud enough and often enough becomes the truth. Göbbels picked up on that, too (he was a good socialist before he became a National Socialist). They can shout all they want here. I didn't buy Trump's "sleepy Joe." I didn't buy the Hamas "Genocide Joe." I don't buy the "feeble Joe" now, either.

[notemason]

103. Geez, here comes the McCarthyism

I'm a long term member, few posts, here to learn not "lurk" and I'm 100% behind Joe.

[Hekate]

105. Perhaps this discussion is not where you need to be just now

[notemason]

107. Wow

[Rob H.]

169. Amazing that on a discussion board, in a subforum called

“General Discussion,” people would want to take part in discussions, isn’t it? Crazy!

[niyad]

146. For you to have used that term as a response to DFW's post suggests to me

that you did not read it carefully. If you had, you would have noticed that he specifically mentions long time/ low post count "lurkers" without saying anything negative about them.

[notemason]

148. Your response suggests to me

that you didn't read what I was responding to.

[niyad]

150. . . . .

[shrike3]

170. I also think you need to read DFW's posts.

He's one of the most respected people here, he's connected (you've got to know who Howard Dean is) and he knows his shit. He's one of the smartest people here. His are posts I always click on, because we all can learn from them.

[elleng]

90. THANK YOU, DFW.

[Trueblue1968]

94. Why were the anti posts allowed to be posted then. Strong measures are needed to keep du strong

Not full if posts like stinky the clown mentions in his post!!!!

[DFW]

102. Deleting someone else's post is a drastic measure

It is not often done, and some posts are left to stand that are probably borderline, but never get designated as such.

It's one reason I never wanted to join a jury. I've gotten posts alerted and even hidden, all of which I thought unjustly so. But it's not my board, and not my place to say what goes and what does not. Some think they know better than I do what should stand and what should not, and maybe they do.

[Trueblue1968]

110. And maybe they dont. Anger is too much to be seen here now, i think.

Negative and not truthful notes, whining but no facts backing up the bashing. .. Maybe there should be a rant till you drop forum where this stuff could be posted ???

I had a post removed the other day. I used the word blather. I don't think my note was any uglier or bad than the one I replied to.
I do not agree with your citing removing notes against the terms of service is drastic. I think it is needed in these days.

[DFW]

112. It a post is deliberately and aggressively against the terms of service

I don't consider its deletion drastic to begin with. It's the eagerness of some to do it when there is no clear guideline that makes me reluctant to be the one passing judgement.

[Hekate]

96. Thank you for your voice. In the moment you are not only wise and experienced, but gentle...

Haven’t got anything else to add.

[shrike3]

111. Yep. I just interacted with one of them. Who proceeded to spew right-wing talking points.

Once again, you've put it out there much better than I could've.

[DFW]

114. The reveal their true colors soon enough, don't they? n/t

[shrike3]

115. They sure do. All while proclaiming their innocence.

[DFW]

116. They always proclaim their innocence

Trump's example is their guiding light--reason enough to treat them accordingly.

[niyad]

151. Thank you so much!

[AllyCat]

175. Thank you DFW.

I have noticed some long time posters doing this “drop out” stuff too. They are subtle, however. Oddly, there is a theme with their accounts. All have been on my jury block list for a year or more.

Still, I thought I needed a break from DU…until I saw a pattern, recognized who was making me feel badly about DU’s “lean away from Biden” and decided to keep up as ever and largely ignore them.

[woodsprite]

20. I had emptied out my ignore list. It's building back up again now.

I’ve had to build a new one every election cycle. This time it did start later than previous times.

I don’t think there is a limit to how long it can be, but it is definitely your friend in times like these.

Please don’t leave! We need people who believe and support Joe to stay. We need your voice and insight!

[SilverDawg]

22. My ignore list

took on many posters this past week. Hardly ever use it; but it surely has been a friend this week!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. I assumed (wrongly, maybe) that the debate would change nobody's mind.

Before the debate, I was all for Joe. After the debate, same.

I look forward to great DU battles in '28, when Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, are among the many seeking the nomination. It should be raucous times.

[spanone]

23. ...

[Elessar Zappa]

24. Please stay.

The ignore feature is your friend. It’s kept me from flying off the handle and getting banned. And you’ll notice that many of those casting doubt on Biden are relatively new posters who may not be who they say they are (I recognize there’s good, long-term DUers who have concerns but they’re a minority, imo).

[Lonestarblue]

25. I have always enjoyed your posts and your thoughtful analysis of issues.

DU is experiencing some division now, but please think about a short respite from here and come back later. Many of us feel the same way—that Biden has been an excellent president and is being shoved out of the race by the media. I have made comments on articles in both the NYT and the Post pointing out their hypocrisy. Biden had one bad night. Trump makes no sense at most of his rallies and talks in gibberish often enough to be noticeable. Add to that his convictions for sexual assault, corporate fraud, and felony convictions for election interference but the media has not once called for Republicans to dump him.

I think Biden can demonstrate over the next couple of weeks that the debate was an aberration. Everyone needs to give him that chance. So hang in there, Nance.

[Renew Deal]

26. How is your message different than the ones you're denouncing?

You’ve been around a while but you’re leaving at DU’s time of need for more viewpoints on the topic. Where is your loyalty to this community?

[Hekate]

104. Loyalty goes both ways, & we're all doing the best we can with what we've got. Especially when depleted...

… what we really need is support from people who know us best.

[niyad]

149. Exavtly!

[Patton French]

27. Yes, it is very frustrating. NT

[babsbunny]

28. I came back here looking for truth and some stability

I could not stay on twitter. But I found click bait, trashy videos, posts that should not be here. But since they are here on DU, does that mean all of it is true? If not, why is it allowed on DU?

[bigtree]

29. I wish I had better expectations

...but I haven't for a while now.

I feel there have been people deliberately working to depress our participation here and elsewhere. We all saw the deliberate divisions, stoked by whoever, surrounding the Gaza mess. I think those forces are still lurking in Democratic circles and they're no friends of Joe Biden.

Just my opinion about why there's so much resistance from people who are ostensibly regarded as Democrats.

To tell the truth, most of my advocacy from the time I was a teen has seemed like it was against a world of resistance. My advocacy began with the Vietnam War, then the environment, ERA, and then civil rights where I've seen the most virulent resistance, to indifference.

I still feel that resistance from people who identify as Democrats on ALL of those issues and I've taken more than one virtual beating over defending those, even here. It's been good here, and very bad here, and then okay again.

Now, in this Trump disturbed era, a lot of the wanton attacks he demonstrated have inspired some on our side to react with the same disregard for truth or even the longtime interests of our party, I believe.

Then there's the abandoning of the party and supporters that happens these days with people who are supposed to represent what we're fighting for as Democrats, all for some political nonsense ginned up by the media. People digging their feet into the ground to stand against Democrats on something or the other as if they need to tear the party down just to make it happen for themselves.

I was so hoping we could have you along for this fight, but I do understand not wanting to endure watching people run down the party's prospective, incumbent, nominee.

I do think it should shake out soon. But, right now so many people identifying as Democrats are trying to undo our votes, second-guessing our votes FOR US.

They need to be told. I'm so very sorry that you can't hang with us for that, but I understand. Don't be too sad. You're a good person, and you deserve to feel secure and supported in what you believe.


...jesus, now I'm fucking crying.

[shrike3]

69. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

People sticking around to depress the vote.

[Hekate]

108. 🪷🪷🪷

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Barbarians at the gate

I empathize with the OP, and am on the same path. I sign out for 2-3 days at a time to see how it feels. The site is suffering from newbies who have little to say but post anyway, and is overrun with maga troll posts that complement Democrats while destroying them - a toxic tactic of narcissists that Trump uses to build MAGA. We are being abused to destroy our logic and resolve so as to reduce us to emotionally wounded souls afraid to take any action. Whatever discipline existed to police the park is sipping jasmine tea in the volunteers lounge.

It's for the best. Our energy is needed in our local county Democratic offices,and our local school board defense teams. Go local, young man. If you don't there won't be any.

[sinkingfeeling]

31. I feel the same. Have stoped posting and trying to stay in

non political forums.

[Biophilic]

32. Yea, it's been a tough time.

I used Ignore for the first time in 5 years. I got pretty viciously attacked for simply questioning motives. It hasn’t been pretty. But it’s important for all of us to stand strong together. Your posts have always been a must read for me. I’ve learned from them and I’ve been inspired by them. They were important to me. I’ll miss you if you leave. DU will miss you if you leave. That being said I wish you well whatever you decide. Please know that you have touched me.

[GoneOffShore]

33. DU needs your voice!

Take a break.
If you don't take a break, break out the 'Ignore' function.

You are always a voice of sanity.
From a Facebook friend:

Those of us who have been following something besides the New York Times, those chickenshit “journalists” who have been talking agist trash for years now, are watching the polls and Lo and behold, an old criminal is not so wonderful. Most of us could see that President Biden was sick, and did not want to cancel. So cool your jets, you nattering nabobs of negativism, and fling more 💩at the crook. I can’t believe the ego of the New York Times.

[Vinca]

34. I don't think you should leave because people are disagreeing. That's the way Democrats are.

If we all marched in lock step like MAGA lemmings off a cliff, that would be a reason to leave, but we don't. What will happen will happen and, ultimately, none of us will make much of a difference in the decision. I do know we'll all be voting for the Democratic ticket this November. So don't go.

[Bluethroughu]

35. Please don't leave!

Trolls are out, and the Right is running scared!

Biden will kick the Sh*t out of that orange bastard but not alone! We have his back!

He's been the best President thus far! He might be old, but he is wise, and not afraid to act if necessary.

We need you here! All in NanceGreggs.

[2naSalit]

36. I wish you would stay...

Take a break, we all need to do that in these heated times.

We need your sane and eloquent voice here, your insight is like healing balm and sometimes like the cure to cancer around here. Your worth is far more than you might imagine.

With that said, I too, have been weaning myself from my time at DU though I am loathe to "miss" breaking info since I have limited news access otherwise. It's damaging to our psyches, individually and collectively... some of us handle it better than others.

This next four months will be the test of our resolve to remain a democracy, it will take everything we have in us to keep it and avoid having nothing less than tatters left come next year. I'm not looking forward to this next several months either.

Please consider taking a vacation, come back after the election or at least after this dark cloud moves out to sea. I would even consider begging but....

We are being flooded by trolls, bots, sleeper trolls and everything imaginable to disrupt and upset us such that we fight amongst ourselves, the debate was a strategic blow that landed pretty squarely on the mark. Once we get beyond this, and it will take at least until after the convention, to be marching in one direction as a force of we the people energy but I see it happening. It just won't be pretty getting there as we can see. I hope we all can remember this as we go on.

We love you, Nance, and your wisdom that you share with us even in this post. I understand your reasoning and need to step back, it's kind of dangerous here right now, but I hope you will return when things calm down and we can act more civilly toward each other again. The negativity is pretty dense right now.

I just hope you'll change your mind in time.

[Hekate]

120. This is beautiful, Tuna. I hope Nance reads what her friends are saying...

[edisdead]

37. I know exactly how you feel.

I feel the same way but please recinsider. Don’t give up ground to these folls.

[slingsam]

38. If you leave, who will speak for me?

At least as you have all these years. I have not posted much....but each of your posts have been reflective of my thoughts. If you leave, the void will be heartfelt.

If you stay....you might be able to help us continue to fight the fight.....more articulately then I know how.

Good Tidings to you.

[Hekate]

121. 🪷🪷🪷

[BootinUp]

39. I know its painful to watch/see that stuff. Believe me.

I have to take constant breaks in normal times. I definitely got a boost of energy with the latest crisis. I assume you have seen some good posts. Do you rec the ones you like? We love seeing you around and reading your thoughts. Take care.

[Timeflyer]

40. Don't leave, please. Plenty of us support Joe and Kamala, and won't quit, ever.

We just don't/can't respond to every panicking "Joe should quit" post. Your voice here is needed now more than ever.

[True Blue American]

41. Nance ,

I can relate to how you feel. I just left another board this morning because post after post was full of hate Biden, he must go!

Now, I know there are many new trolls on that board, but when the moderates I have long been able to discuss facts with and Democrats joined the hate, Joe must go I told them what I thought of them and left. I have been on that board for years. Hoped DU would be an oasis.

[True Blue American]

42. I agree

[dlk]

43. In these treacherous times, we need your voice of reason now, more than ever

It can be incredibly discouraging to see how easily it is for seemingly intelligent people to be manipulated and played. I’m with you on that. Have we learned nothing from the assaults on Hillary?

Our enemies are smart and they know us well. They know our weaknesses and how best to take America’s deep vein of ageism and use it against us (just as they used our deep vein of misogyny against us in 2016).We paid a dear price then, and make no mistake, the price will be much higher this time around.

Our enemies want us to give up but we can’t. America is worth fighting for, in whatever ways we can. We need your voice of reason, along with every other voice of reason to speak up and speak out to counter the propaganda.

I’m here for you as you have been here for so many of us. If you need a break, I can understand, but please don’t give up. It is going to take all of us together to overcome this pervasive monster.

[Hekate]

130. 🪷🪷🪷

[brer cat]

44. It is very sad to see you go, Nance.

I have always enjoyed your humorous take down of the opposition. I hope you will come back after a break. We will miss you greatly.

[Judi Lynn]

45. They don't belong here. They should all go. You would be missed more than you could imagine.

Think how DU would be with only these imposters left to dance upon the wreckage of a cherished meeting place for actual Democrats, progressives, people of conscience and good will.

Your spirit, your presence, your comments are priceless. You have touched so many who would not want to recover if you left. There will never be any replacement for you.

[Hekate]

132. 🪷🪷🪷

[MineralMan]

46. I know where you're coming from on this.

I've cut way, way back on the number of posts I make. Same reason.

[Hekate]

133. 🪷🪷🪷

[MarineCombatEngineer]

47. NanceGreggs, plz don't go, you are a valued member here on DU,

I share you frustration and have been speaking out about all the doom and gloom threads/posts here on DU about how Pres. Biden, one of the best Presidents of our lifetime, should withdraw and let someone else be our nominee.

Please, please reconsider and re-engage with your wit and intellect.

[hunter]

48. I put the worst of 'em on ignore.

Actually I put the entire issue on ignore.

Just another reason I say television news and opinion is a toxic wasteland. I quit that shit long ago in the run-up to the Iraq war. It was disgusting.

Fox News is shit, CNN is shit, MSNBC is shit.

While we're at it, the New York Times is shit too.

Joe Biden is a great President. Kamala Harris would be a great President. The Democratic Party has a very deep bench. We're voting for the Democratic team.

Anyone who plays into the hands of the fascist Republican Party is a fucking moron.

Trump can go to hell and take all of these third party freaks with him.

By the time the election rolls around I hope to see Trump utterly humiliated and the Republican Party in disarray. I want to see Republicans so shamed they don't vote. I will work to make that so.

[Takket]

49. oh geez, don't go.....

I know we've never talked but I do read your threads and you have both a keen perspective and a fantastic sense of humor. Usually when these "I'm leaving DU threads" pop up I just kind of roll my eyes at the drama, but i know the sentiment is sincere in your case because the usual sparkle in your posts has gone dark here, and that makes me sad.

I hope you will change your mind and stay, but leaving, taking a break, just lurking... those are all your right as well. Just think it over... use the trash and ignore buttons liberally if you stay, and know DU is a better place with you than without.

~Takket

[LuckyCharms]

50. Nance...we need good thinkers and good writers here.

Like yourself.

I hope you do what is best for you, and that you are able to make your way back here soon.

I am wishing you all the best.

[mcar]

51. It's been a difficult stretch here on DU

I've been a member since 2002(!) and, primaries notwithstanding, I don't recall a more disappointing week.

I hope you will take another break and come back in a while. I would miss your words here.

[gab13by13]

52. Nance, you are one of the few who "get it."

I respect your decision but I wish you would stay and fight. Do not lose hope, I will miss you.

[rzemanfl]

54. No!!!

Please at least stick around for PMs.

This is a psyop and we are the target. This board is infested with trolls, bots, and sockpuppets.

Bob

[niyad]

55. PLEASE do not leave, Nance. You are truly one of our most valued members,

and so very many of us would miss your observations and insight and wisdom. Believe me, I understand your feeling, because I have been shocked and sickened by some of what I have seen here since Thursday (reminded me of the attacks on Hillary). But, being the stubborn old Crone that I am, I refuse to cede my spiritual home to anyone!!!

You must, of course, do whatever is best for you, but please know that I, as one of many, welcome sharing space with you. We would be the poorer without you.

[pwb]

56. Right behind you.

One hour of news day and less D U seems to make PWB a happier person. News isn't 24 hours a day and politics is not an all year thing. I will vote Democrat without both. Outside we go. Good to know you Nance. Peace to you.

[StarryNite]

57. Please reconsider

You are not alone in your feelings after reading one post after another calling for President Biden to be replaced. It was expected that there would be new members who were trolling to behave in that manner, it comes with the territory and in the past they would have be out on their asses in no time. But for some reason things were different this time and they and their nasty posts not only were not taken down but they kept growing in number. Add to that some of the long time members with high post counts chiming in and agreeing with those calling for President Biden to step aside. It was beyond disgusting and those people should really think about the harm they are causing not only to our party but to our democracy. People who are on the fence about who to vote for see that kind of garbage and it can influence how they vote and not in a way that we want.

Bottom line is we need more of you NanceGreggs, not less. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Please stay and help us fight the demons among us. Your posts are always so insightful and inspiring. Without even looking to see who wrote the post I can recognize your wisdom and style. You are greatly wanted and needed here. Please reconsider.

[Peacetrain]

58. Nance don't leave .. we need you.. we have been around this corner before..

Look what they tried to do to President Obama.. they did it to Hillary, remember all the health crap they were throwing around about her.. there are some who are about chaos not governance.. and they always will be..

The sad thing is the whole "Owning the Libs" scenario.. and it works unfortunately.. but we can come back together.. They are sitting on the sidelines laughing right now..

The right wing first took over radio.. and made AM radio talk radio with mostly crazed conservatives like Rush Limbaugh who almost single handedly destroyed any chance of trying to forestall climate change..There are times I want to go dig up his grave and jump on his rotting bones.. what he has left our children with his influence is a nightmare.

Now they have taken over local tv stations like Sinclair media.. and people are not being fed this stuff through Fox anymore.. they are getting all the misinformation through local tv.. the thing they trust the most.. and that includes Democrats and independents and liberal. The right has this down to an artform

Somewhere along this line.. we tell people.. screw you and the horse you rode in on.. and you have such a good voice and unlike me..you can write a great article for people to contemplate..

Please take a 4th of July break and a few days.. and come back rested..I think I could use a break too, maybe I will take a 4th of July break.. Nance you would be so missed..

[Dave says]

60. Please don't go!

We need your voice in this fight against fascism. That includes fighting the (surely) right-wing injected memes against Joe that have taken root.

Me? I’m riding with Joe Biden.

Changing horses at this point will surely result in our loss. Given the ammunition placed on the table by Joe’s debate performance, we may still lose, but it gives us our best shot at victory. A switch places 2,000 pound bunker busters on the table above.

What would be really great and improve our chances is if ALL Democrats rally around Joe and face our very real enemies with grace, strength, and dignity.

[Beastly Boy]

61. I've been struggling with the same impulse to leave for a couple of days now. But

I will be damned if I don't resist the "Biden must go" narrative and thus contribute to normalizing it.

Keep speaking up every opportunity you have at your disposal, no matter how futile it might seem. Leaving the conversation is not much better than agreeing with the "Biden mus go" bullshit.

[essaynnc]

62. Nance......

Ditto all of the above.

You are one of the best writers in the place! I am awed with your command of the English language, your understanding of what's going on, and your persuasiveness.

Unfortunately, it's the loudmouth and vocal contingent that's beating the "replace Joe" drum; the overwhelming majority know that he's our man. Don't let them get you down!!!

This is the place for us on the left ! We all have to inspire each one to reach one, and be sure that everyone gets out to to vote and crush those that wish to end our democracy!

[Disaffected]

63. I'm sorry to hear that but,

IMO, your reasons for going are actually reasons to stay.

[shrike3]

64. You are among the few DUers whose handle I instantly recognize.

You'll be missed. I've toyed with leaving myself. Unlike you, lol, I wouldn't be missed. Take care of yourself.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

65. I am also disgusted by the people who want to get President Biden off the ticket

The persons pushing this stupid idea are the same people who attacked Hillary Clinton for her emails. Attacking President Biden only helps TFG.

[blogslug]

66. Do what gives you peace of mind.

I can't remember if it was a poll or a fundraiser or what but one time this board was tasked with picking our favorite 2008 primary candidate. The majority picked Dennis Kucinich.

He's RFK's campaign manager now.

I don't post as much as I used to. I try to correct misinformation and provide clarifying links and information. I ignore some posters and certain keywords. I trash a lot of threads.

I understand how you feel.

I'm staying right here.

[LLC]

67. Respectfully,

I hope you reconsider.

In my opinion, it was what I thought when coming here to read the various reactions. At first, the overwhelming negativity just hit me right in the heart.

I didn’t want to be around anyone who didn’t support President Biden. I wanted to bolt!

But, I realized that my resolve to look past the media bullshit, and past the crap being written here was strengthened by the fact that President Biden isn’t weak, or old, or demented or whatever shit people are throwing out there about him.

He is my choice for the job of running this country. He’s a Statesman, a man of integrity, and one fine human being. He has decades of experience to handle the affairs of the country.

If you go, I wish you well.

But, your voice, your thoughts, and your support would be terribly missed. Terribly missed

Thank you for all of your posts. I’ve always read what you had to say and I hope you will reconsider leaving.

Sincerely,
LLC

[Qutzupalotl]

70. What everyone else said, but also please consider

that DU has been under coordinated attack for a long time. We are just seeing it flare up again. The intent is to divide us and weaken an effective and free think tank and vibrant discussion board. They would only succeed if they drive out effective posters, the ones who understand that words and ideas can be formidable weapons. The more effective the poster driven away, the greater the benefit to the fascist authoritarian movement.

So take all the time you need, but please consider returning. Your voice is needed now more than ever. And I think the dust is gradually settling, and we are beginning to see the situation as it is, a precipice between freedom and autocracy.

[Emile]

71. I prefer you stay and they go!

[Jersey Devil]

72. Please stay! It's always darkest before the dawn

We need you in the fight.

[NowsTheTime]

73. Those who are questioning Biden are seccumbing to fear & playing into what maga wants. I'm Supporting Joe!

........only been here a short time, but for me it's not time to panic.

I respect your history here.

[c-rational]

74. NanceGreggs, thank you for this post. It actually makes me feel better because I believe you are

correctly pointing out what should be obvious to the solid blue DUers we know and love. With that said, please lurk and stay on the sidelines to keep an eye on those of us still here. Come back when your battery recharges.
best
c-

[greatauntoftriplets]

75. This makes me so sad.

[FarPoint]

76. I am with you on this....

Our DU Community has collapsed.

[58Sunliner]

78. There are many people on this board, the majority, who support Biden.

I've enjoyed your posts, but this is when we need you the most, supporting those that support Joe. You should not be surprised that there is an element who is trying to create conflict and chaos. It happened last time as well and damaged us with Hillary. Now is the time to dig a trench and fight them.

[Niagara]

79. I wish that you would reconsider leaving DU

I haven't read any "Joe must go" OP's but that doesn't that it's not happening. It must be happening since you're not the only one that has mentioned this dilemma. Quite a few responses in this thread have mentioned that the posters have long time accounts with low post counts.


I use the tools that DU provides such as full ignore, words and phrases in the trash can and I trash threads. I must have everything aligned just so that I can't see it.


Politics can be stressful, especially when we're facing threats to our Democracy. If you need to, take some time off DU and come back when you're ready. I know that you recently took some time off awhile ago. Sometimes we need take breaks for our own inner peace. Sometimes I utilized the tools provides for my own inner peace. I have the image stored on my PC and I look at it frequently. It also applies to DU.



I don't comment much in the GD, although I want to let you know that you're appreciated here. Do what you need to do, please come back when you're ready.

[llmart]

80. I believe I have read almost all, if not all of your posts over the years.

You don't have to post or read DU if you are struggling. We all know that you will support and vote for Democrats in whatever way you think is helpful. What you must do is what is best for you, and only you can know that. There have been times when I just had to stay away from reading DU for quite some time because it was affecting my mental and emotional health. My go-to when finding myself in a dark place like that is nature, books and music. I do a complete news avoidance. I always come back to DU when things settle down and I'm sure I can keep my sanity once again.

The last thing we need is for you to disappear altogether. So, take as much time as you need. We're not going to say goodbye to you.

[hermetic]

82. I can relate

Considered doing the same. Just could not believe what some here were saying. So I just stayed away for a few days. I do hope you'll do the same. You are a highly regarded member here and it would be a great loss for us. So, take care; take a break; stop by later to see how it's going.

[mucholderthandirt]

83. I'm still Ridin' With Biden.

I'm as disappointed as anyone with the debate, but I understand the circumstances.

And nothing changed about how Trump gets away with all his crap, so nothing different from me there.

Leave if you feel that's best, but I spent a lot of years reading your posts, and I would hate to see you leave.

[republianmushroom]

97. Yep

[BannonsLiver]

84. "All your bags are packed, you're ready to go..."

[Hekate]

156. You think this is funny, BannonsLiver?

[BannonsLiver]

162. You've never heard John Denver's "Leaving on a Jet Plane"?

It’s a fairly melancholic song. Definitely not funny.

[H2O Man]

85. Wait!

Although we have not always agreed on various issues, I am sincerely asking you to stay. If necessary, I'll beg, though that wouldn't be as pleasant as this song.

[Hekate]

154. 🪷🪷🪷

[SKKY]

86. Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out....

....This is how Democracy works. It's messy, and we are a party of varying opinions. If you want more unity of message, consider becoming a Republican. They're very much in lock-step. But since we are not a cult of personality, we are still allowed, and in most instances encouraged, to voice our opinions.

[BannonsLiver]

89. +1000

[BootinUp]

100. We will not CHANGE the result of the primaries. nt

[Hekate]

155. We are also a community who cares about each other, SKKY.

Perhaps this is not the discussion you need it to be.

[hlthe2b]

160. How about we save the vitriol for our actual opponents?

I know you can make your counterpoint without it.

[elleng]

87. Sorry you feel the need to depart, Nance.

Fortunately I missed the posts about which you complain.

I stand with President Biden, Vice President Harris, Governors Wes Moore (MD,) Hochul (NY), Whitmer (Mich,) and others.

I'll be with 1776, then Music Man and Yankee Doodle Dandy, @ TCM.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

88. Hello Nance

You and I don't know each other, but I want to offer you my perspective on what's been happening on DU lately.

There are very few profiles promoting these ugly attacks against our Democratic president. But they are VERY vocal. They post negativity repeatedly and seem compelled to relentlessly carry on railing against every comment made to them, without good faith that they have even considered someone else's opinion, and/or just spew ugly snark.

They don't respond to the reality that President Biden IS our Democratic leader, our nominee who was VOTED FOR. Apparently some profiles are totally comfortable disenfranchising American citizens who have already voted for President Biden in the primaries. They won't acknowledge that FACT.

Personally I think these profiles are grandstanding and probably yukking it up at how they can elicit reactions from others. One in particular turns around and plays victim and threatens reporting when it seems like it's not fun anymore.

My suggestion to you, don't go. Don't let them drive you away. BLOCK THEM. TRASH THREADS. Getting into people's heads and fucking around inside is the sick twisted goal.

Please stay. There are more of us than there are of them, of that I am sure.

[underpants]

91. Please don't.

It was a traumatic event. I myself can’t watch the news and have sought out stupid History “documentaries” on the food industry.

DU has been rough but it’s been like that before. My spirits have been buoyed back closer to normal.

[moondust]

93. Like primary season...

this, too, shall pass.

[vercetti2021]

95. Don't blame you

I got one foot in and one out the door myself. Please take great care

[redwitch]

98. Please don't go for long.

I understand what you’re saying and I am devastated too.

[Nevilledog]

99. Well, that sucks. The circle jerk of doom is exhausting and I find trashing threads helpful.

I really hope you'll come back to us after some time away and please know how loved you are here and your absence will be deeply felt.

[burrowowl]

101. Have and will miss your rants, they were almost always spot on.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

106. Nance - c'mon. You should stay.

Look - I'm on the other side of this issue from you, but you 've been around here since we were opposing George W. Bush, back when i was OmahaBlueDog. We're like a family; families argue:

DU argued over Barack or Hillary
DU argued over Bernie or Hillary

Trust me -- I'll be gone before you. I have two strikes against me. Earl is going to throw my ass out. Earl would want you to stick around.

Whatever happens, be well!

[Different Drummer]

109. i understand how you feel, Nance.

However, I have enjoyed your posts and would like for you to stay. The decision, however, is of course, yours.

[Trueblue1968]

113. Please no !! Think about your action. Contact DU management and tell them how you feel. U r too important

To our community and to democrats.

[Kingofalldems]

118. There is a difference in the honest questioning of .....

Biden's debate performance and the daily troll posts subtly attacking Democrats or highlighting any bad poll, and of course the same people jumped in to attack Joe Biden after the debate. I understand your frustration.

[highplainsdem]

119. Please don't leave. Just take a break if necessary. I have at times, and a lot of other DUers have as well.

[pandr32]

122. Please stay.

We need all hands to fight the good fight.

[nolabear]

123. Dialogue is so important, Nance. Even disturbing ones.

You’ve been wonderful to read. I agree with your POV. But if we withdraw we leave everything for those we disagree with to define “truth.”

We have to find out what we believe in and what challenges those beliefs. It’s scary but it’s America. It’s what we fight the mindless followers with.

Just my two. Stay and add to the debate.

[Music Man]

125. Sorry these discussions bother you so much.

[kimbutgar]

126. Please don't give up!

We have to remain optimistic and hope for the best.

You will be missed please just take a mental health break from here for a month then return!

[rubbersole]

127. This is a temporary situation.

You aren't. Being one of the most astute posters on DU, maybe the best, the doubters will benefit from your wisdom/kindness/intelligence. I do.
Thank you for all you've done and hopefully will continue to do.

[Goodheart]

129. Well, I guess I'm one of those who caused you to leave....

if in fact you DO leave.

I don't say that with any pride, and I certainly don't want anybody to leave over my opinion, but I don't say it with one ounce of guilt, either.

I am quite accustomed to being outnumbered. I have tried to be respectful in my dissenting minority, just as I have been since the day I realized I was an atheist, over 65 years ago.

I have also explained WHY I want Joe Biden to step aside. It has NOTHING, whatsoever, to do with disrespect. I respect the man immensely, I admire him immensely. But after the debate performance, where his biggest task was to convince the American public that his age won't prevent him from doing a stellar job, I just don't think he can win this election. He failed. Do I think he would give us another great four years? I certainly do. Do I think he will win the election? Sadly, no, although I hope I'm wrong.

I haven't seen a single thread on this site that trashes Joe Biden, despite what others might say. I don't trash him either.

If wanting a different candidate means I'm "throwing him under the bus", well, I guess I'm throwing him under the bus.

I don't agree that we owe Joe Biden any vote out of loyalty. We don't owe Joe Biden a thing. As a politician he OWES US. That's just the nature of the beast, and while it's true that his administration has been one of the most successful in my lifetime, this vote is about what's ahead, not about what's behind us. And if I believe he won't win, as I do, then I'd just be wasting my vote so I want a different choice. The cause is bigger than any one man, no matter how great we all think he is.

I must say, it's pretty interesting to see what has saddened you lately about this site. The most saddening aspect for me lately is how some have tried to bully and curse others, often with foul language, and often to applause.

[dweller]

131. You've been gone before

And you came back again … I don’t blame you for leaving now
Because I believe you will return in time
Remember to always choose the path with heart

✌🏻


Oh and with regards to the current mess here?

[Tarheel_Dem]

134. Nance, you're not the one who needs to go. I've wondered why DU has allowed this s**t to take hold, and why...

those of us who still support our POTUS and presidential nominee suddenly feel like we're the ones in a foreign land. Logging into DU these days feels like we've been taken over by some nefarious forces whose only reason for being here is to spread panic and disunity. I keep hoping they'll be shown the door, but it hasn't happened yet.

Please don't go. Or maybe just take a break, and come back to us refreshed, and reinvigorated?

[Hekate]

135. 💔🪷🪷Nance, I am just about out of words, & others are saying it so much better than I can right now...

I’ve been Reccing their posts and leaving hugs for them and you — but I feel so out of words. 💔

I cried for 3 days when Dobbs came down — this time when SCOTUS gave to Trump what Nixon always wanted I look back on my physical reaction that day and wonder if a stroke was trying to have me.

Do what you need to heal yourself, and come back when the atmosphere is better here. You are family. You really are. Okay, now I am crying. Just be well.

[snowybirdie]

136. I'm with you Nance

You're not alone

[ForgedCrank]

137. Maybe I'm

wrong, but isn't this a debate forum where we discuss Democratic policy and strategy?
I don't see any posts bashing on President Biden (well, I saw a few but those were trolls or something that didn't last very long), I've only seen those who are concerned about our strategy and path to victory in November. They are rightfully concerned about the landscape right now and the unfortunate opportunity this has given the jackass. None of us want him in charge, and others are scared enough to consider this Biden replacement talk, even as flawed as the idea may be. We are supposed to be here to talk some sense into those folks, not call them names or quit altogether. We attract bees with honey, not manure.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's helpful at all to be singing the mass media song about replacing Joe Biden, but I'm here to talk about things and share thoughts. Many posts here insult Christianity multiple times per day and I'm not quitting because of it, I speak out. I'm here to debate and defend my position on such matters, and supporting Joe Biden is one of the positions I am here to defend right now. We do that by starting to talk about Biden/Harris POLICY, and get the word out to as many people as we can get to read it. And even though this forum is a collection of people who are already going to vote for Democrats, there is a lot to be said for the google scrapers and spiders right now. Many people get linked here who are not and never will be members, but they are searching for information. Our job is to be here posting that information for all to see so they will consider it.

[GenThePerservering]

138. I can't believe this thread

crying because there isn't a 'safe space'?

We need to be stronger than that.

[LuckyCharms]

139. There is no weakness involved in

needing to step away.

Just the opposite.

[GenThePerservering]

140. Then just step away - nothing wrong with that nt

[LuckyCharms]

141. She did the right thing by posting.

She's a popular, long-time poster.

People would be asking where she went.

[niyad]

143. And I cannot believe how callous some people are, especially in these fraught,

sometimes frightening, often depressing, frequently angry-making times. And sometimes, no matter how strong we are, we reach a limit. And when that happens, we hope, and should be able to expect to find in our beloved community, compassion, understanding, and empathy. Not judgment or derision. Some of us have been fighting these damned battles for decades, on the front lines since the 60's in many cases, and we are damned tired.

So, although this request should not even be necessary, a liitle kindness might be in order.

[Deep State Witch]

142. Please Don't Leave, Nance!

Us old-timers will miss you!

[bdamomma]

147. It's 2016 again

Like going after Hillary, now people are not in favour for Joe.
I rather have Joe than a convicted lying felon, plus I rather have a Democracy than a DICTATORSHIP.

NanceGreggs very hurtful things we are being witnessed too. We all have to vote to keep our freedoms, or we will never get them back. I really don't want to hear the rest of the world saying WTF!!!!!

Do what you believe in. Going to miss you. Come back if you want too.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

152. Oh my dear Nance . . .

I hear you, darlin'.

You've stood by me so many times when I was lost in grief. I need your voice now, to help me deal with the terrible forces that point the way to destruction.

Take the needed break.

And then return to all of us who need your clear direction and intelligent thoughts.

I am one, only one, of them.

Holding you in my heart, dear Nance.

[Hekate]

163. 🪷🪷🪷

[jmbar2]

153. I want to add to all the support you are receiving here

I had to ignore all the Palestinian/Israeli stuff because it was so ugly. And I've seen some of the anti-Biden posts as well, often subtle, shitstirring posts from unfamiliar names.

Take whatever measures you need. But know that most of the regulars here really enjoy your posts and will miss you if you go.

[Hekate]

164. 🪷🪷🪷

[Autumn]

157. Politics isn't for the faint hearted.

We will still be here, Ridin with Biden

[Chipper Chat]

158. You always say what I want to and can't.

You are a gift to DU and all of us.

I hope you change your mind.

[pnwmom]

159. I hope you reconsider, Nance! We need your voice here! nt

[Liberty Belle]

161. Please stay. Moderators removed many of those post. You're one of my favorite posters!

I agree we must focus on saving our democracy, not throwing Biden under the bus.

I posted this earlier: "As we celebrate Indepence Day, our democracy is at rik" https://democraticunderground.com/10143266480

That risk is even worse if rational, compelling voices like yours go away because of a few trolls or misguided people.

[Eko]

165. Stay!!!!!!

[lotusblossom]

167. Please stay!!!!

As a long-time lurker, your posts were some of my favorites. Now that I have introduced myself, I would hate to see you go!

[chouchou]

168. Give yourself a little time and remember why you came here in the first place.

You are a fighter! Please come back!

[TBF]

171. I came back recently after a break -

well I was pretty much on break throughout the pandemic ... home-schooling and so on.

But going way back, when I joined during the Obama primaries (I volunteered a lot locally for him), I remember reading you and always enjoying your point of view. I hope you won't stay away long - you are needed. You are one of the best writers on this board.

Take care, NanceGreggs.

[Joinfortmill]

172. I hear you. But I wish you would stay.

[malaise]

173. This is heartbreaking

[Skittles]

174. Nance you know there is the IGNORE function

you should use that instead of throwing, well, all of DU under the bus

[Doodley]

176. We all share the same Democratic values of fairness for all, to preserve our democracy and planet, and to dump Trump.

That is enough to unite us.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

177. I've decided to become as ruthless as a farmer culling a herd when on jury duty.

Joe Biden has endured too much while doing great work for us for me to let the assholes grind me down.

Get cold mad and let your recognized writing talents loose.

[Initech]

178. The wrong candidate is getting thrown under the bus.

Trump was given immunity and has a plan to bring a literal dictatorship to the United States. Those who say "It can't happen here", well, it can happen here, and it is happening here right now.

The Heritage Foundation really stepped in it, and they are going to get theirs in due time.