Is Trump just a pawn in the Heritage Foundation's evil plan?

[Quixote1818]

Notice how the Supreme Court is now able to keep the President in check to their own liking. I don't think Trump cares about any of this stuff and he never talks about Project 2025. He's just a narcissist playboy pedo who hates women and minorities but he isn't religious. Trump is for sale to the highest bidder who wants to be a dictator and do everything he wants. I don't think they want Trump to have total control, they want to take us back to the wild west where rich white folks do what they want and stop anyone of color from coming into the country, and are just using Trump to do what they want and will keep him in check if he goes too crazy. Regardless we end up going back in time 150 years. It's truly frightening.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Yes. They have other white males ready. Fascism is corporate alignment with totalitarianism. Leaders changeable. . . nt

[True Blue American]

2. Yes!

Nothing like a narcisstic, dementia ridden, convicted felon to push the Nazi like hate along.

[MOMFUDSKI]

3. This time HE is

The Apprentice.

[StarryNite]

28. Wow! You are spot on!

[sop]

4. Trump will strike any bargain with the Masters of the Universe to end his prosecutions and stay out of prison.

Trump knows being re-elected is his only way out, and he'd sell his soul to the devil (if he hasn't already) to make it happen.

[littlemissmartypants]

23. What soul?

[mopinko]

5. and putler's puppet, too.

[Irish_Dem]

6. It is symbiotic parasitic relationship.

They use each other.
And probably have a love-hate relationship.

[Timeflyer]

7. Agree. They create a power/money structure, get it going under tRump, then plug in their chosen leader as needed.

Scientology didn't fold when L. Ron Hubbard died. Once established, the greedy power mongers will fight to the death to maintain their hold on America.

[captain queeg]

8. That's a likely possibility.

There’s too much coordinated effort for a dumb ass like Trump to pull it together. He would be a useful pawn, easy to manipulate. His choice for vice president could provide a clue. I’ve often felt like there is an evil cabal pulling strings. I was starting to make a joke, but it’s not funny.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

52. Just like they did with Reagan...

... eom.

[FalloutShelter]

9. Of course he is.

He has always been the Trojan horse for the extreme right and the Russians.

[2naSalit]

10. More like a Rook.

[MANative]

11. "Useful idiot" comes to mind

Their proclivities align, but he couldn't coordinate his way out of a paper bag.

[tanyev]

12. They think Trump is their pawn and Trump thinks the Heritage Foundation is his pawn.

This is where the chaos starts.

[Quixote1818]

14. Good point. It could get interesting. Nt

[GoCubsGo]

13. Yes, he has just made things easier and quicker for them.

Easier for Putin, too, for that matter.

[zuul]

15. Dump is too stupid to be an evil mastermind.

He is simply a useful idiot. Both Putin and the Heritage Foundation figured out to use him to their advantage. Your description of TSF is perfect.

[hydrolastic]

16. This guy has crossed the line !

I have a question, where does the Heritage foundation fit in our government ? are they part of it somehow ? Are they truly just a lobbing organization ? It seems to me that they are connected and intertwined a lot more in the government than we know. I read a while back that there was a dinner held by the Heritage foundation and members of the Supreme Court attended. How can this guy issue a threat like that ?
I know a lot of questions, I wonder if its legal to threaten a civil war. Isn't it sedition if your planning to overthrow the government ?

[-misanthroptimist]

17. Trump is just the pony they are riding.

I suspect that the real bad guys will dispose of Trump in some way once they believe it safe to do so. The only thing I am unsure of is the manner of that disposal.

He's not a true believer. He's an idiot. He's a loose cannon. All of that makes him a long term liability. They only tolerate him in the short run because he looks like the quickest path to the power they need to destroy the Constitution.

[mucifer]

18. They are made of the same stuff. Greed and Power.

[ancianita]

33. All the stuff that harms, then kills, humanity.

[Fla Dem]

19. He's a useful tool not only for the Heritage Foundation, but for Putin and Xi Jinping.

[jmbar2]

20. Of course. He is so easy to manipulate because he has no internal center

Total reptile brain- (apologies to reptiles).

[RainCaster]

21. Which Russian oligarchs control the Heritage Foundation?

That's the question we need to be asking. This group is clearly against everything this country stands for. I suspect that the source of their money is rubles.

[ancianita]

27. Putin has input. Koch kept running his businesses in Russia after most other major American companies left in 2022.

Koch Industries’ decision to stay in Russian is consistent with the positions others in Charles Koch’s network have taken. Earlier this week, Stand Together, Koch’s nonprofit, warned against completely severing the West’s business ties with Russia and called for “targeted sanctions against Russia.”

Koch's not alone, though.

Koch is running afoul of the P.R. stance taken by brands like Apple, McDonald’s, Adidas, and Disney, which have said they will halt operations or sales in Russia. Likewise, Shell, BP, and ExxonMobil have said they will pull out of the oil-rich nation.
That said, several major Western corporations are seemingly ignoring the public pressure campaign to cut Russia off from the rest of the world. According to a list compiled by Yale professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, Halliburton, LG Electronics, and Authentic Brands Group’s Reebok have not disclosed publicly any plans.

non paywall https://archive.ph/2HXXr#selection-909.0-951.105

[orthoclad]

55. Oligarchs have no country

Countries are just military hiring halls for their intramural squabbles. And tax machines for spending money.
Of course the global oligarchy is working on Project 2025.

[ancianita]

58. Word.

Yes, they work to kill democracies, especially ours.

And the Koch oligarch network has been the tip of their spear since 2016.

[orthoclad]

59. Our democracy?

Our Federal executive is about as democratic as China. They have the Party conventions, we have the Electoral College. Over and over, popular vote losers win power.

[ancianita]

61. YES. How you think democracy doesn't work here by the popular vote is not born out by the facts,

since even in 2016, when Joe and felon evenly split states, it depended on the popular votes of key battlegrounds.

... most of the time, the winner also wins the national popular vote. There have been four exceptions: 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016 produced an Electoral College winner who lost the popular vote due to the outsized effects of close and narrow pluralities in numerous swing states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election#:~:text=In%20addition%2C%20most%20of%20the,pluralities%20in%20numerous%20swing%20states.

So it's really not "over and over" across 46 presidents.

[orthoclad]

63. The 2016 "key battlegrounds" were won by Facebook

illegally collaborating with Cambridge Analytica to micro-target political advertising. They were charged with violating user's privacy, and paid some fines, but they got Trump. In 2016, I think Clinton had about 3 million more popular votes than Trump. In 2020, the margin was too large to game with the EC.

How many popular vote losers became president in the last few decades? I include 2000 in that category. There have been 5 popular vote losers who took the EC in the last two hundred years. Two of them were since 2000, Bush and Trump. That looks like a trend. As 2016 showed us, the EC is eminently gameable.

[ancianita]

64. Irrelevant. You said "over and over," which doesn't square with the facts that you simply state in other words below.

So you disagree and insist that 2 exceptions out of 5 presidential election cycles is a trend.
Isn't our job to not make the last two exceptions "a trend"??
Haven't we been doing that 60% of the time? And the 40% you call "trend" is across 16 years.

Why would you insist on casting doubt on elections and Democratic voters when they've been kicking ass since 2018?

My theory is that you just can't shake the corporate ratfuckery hype.

[orthoclad]

65. Whatever.

[GiqueCee]

22. The common thread that binds them...

... is their insatiable craving for total dominion over the lives of others. The shorthand for it is "POWER".

[Evolve Dammit]

24. Useful idiot. (Putin). Dotard (Kim Jong Un). Our kind of fascist (Heritage Foundation)

[Beck23]

25. Heritage/Putin

Yes, in collusion with Putin and a few other authoritarian leaders.

[jaxexpat]

26. The PTB within the Heritage Foundation want a societal regression beyond 150 years.

Their perfect world was 2000 years ago and their heroes are the Caesars of the world empire, ancient Rome. These folks place no value on civilization as unearthed in the ages of reason and enlightenment. It is absolute warlord-like power over a society of slaves which satisfies their pubescent egos as no other fantasy can. Trump is INTENTIONALLY their candidate of choice.

[cachukis]

29. Onward Christian soldiers!

[rzemanfl]

31. TSF insists on being referred to as "King"

in any chess analogies. But fuck him and all these traitors,

[AverageOldGuy]

32. Exactly what I have said all along

Trump is not capable of having arranged the Jan 6 coup attempt. (And, by the way, let's STOP calling Jan 6 an "insurrection". It was an attempted coup, aimed at overturning a duly elected government.)

Think about it - the Jan 6 coup attempt required:

-- Organization at state and local level to challenge election results at the precincts and at the state. This required local lawyers and activists.
-- Organization at the state and federal level -- "alternate electors" did not just wake up one morning and think "Damn!! I think I'll be an alternate elector." Once again, required lawyers and volunteer activists, all with some standing throughout their states.
-- Organization at the federal level -- members of Congress to support the coup; pressure on Mike Pence to "do the right thing".
-- Organization at the thug level. Using contacts within the armed, dumbass community to stir up the people necessary to serve as foot soldiers for the coup, willing to storm the barricades.

Trump, Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka -- not one of them has the brain power or the contacts to set it up. But Heritage and other shadowy rightwing organizations and billionaires that we have never heard of are capable of organizing Jan 6 -- and organizing the Coup of 2024.

[orthoclad]

57. And Ginni Thomas organized buses

to bring their rabble into DC.

Shall we call it the Oligarchic Underground?

[Jim__]

34. Trump may be their pawn. But, when they make him king, he will BE THE king.

The German aristocracy thought they could control Hitler. Turned out they couldn't.

[EverHopeful]

35. And I thought they'd dump him because

they got lots less "Useful" and far more "Idiot" than they'd bargained for but guess his insatiable need for adoration and his ability to grow his cult was just too useful.

[Martin68]

36. I would not be at all surprised if Trump was "Chance the Gardener" to The Heritage Foundation's plot

to put a president in office they can manipulate to achieve their policy ends. If Trump is elected, they will persuade him, through flattery and bribes, to install an administration that will do their bidding and let the demented Trump think he is in charge. I'm usually very doubtful about wild conspiracy theories, but the Heritage Foundation has the resources and the connections - and the patience - to formulate and implement a long-term effort to fundamentally change the government to mold the government into their own image.

[ecstatic]

37. I think so. They just need a way to get into the White House

They need someone who can win or who they can install under the false pretense of a win.

If the worst were to happen and they successfully installed trump, they'd use him to issue executive orders that would normally be illegal and unconstitutional. Anyone resisting him would be on the chopping block. Right or left.

I think the rightwingers who are complicit in this plot are thinking that they could easily replace trump and, from there, use their newly created system to install someone else after they get everything they need. But it does not work that way. Their installed dictator would kill them first before they could do that.

I think a lot of people think that trump is the way he is because he has studied dictators. No, I think trump, hitler, etc share a mental disorder that has predictable behavior associated with it. People with that condition, when granted power, instinctively know how to keep their power.

[eppur_se_muova]

38. He's a contract hit man, in it for his cut. He'll sign up with anyone who will sign his paychecks. nt

[TBF]

39. Agree - when you watch clips of his rallies he sounds like a bad actor

Ronald Reagan was much better at nailing it. And I'm sure they've got their favorites waiting in the wings if Trump falters or has a health issue. But his fan club is very loyal (and quite stupid) so this is unfortunately working well for them.

[oldsoftie]

41. Trump is a LOT of people's pawn. And useful idiot. nt

[onecaliberal]

42. Yes, they are conspiring with Putin as well.

[BobTheSubgenius]

43. I find it hard to believe.

How could a genius with an IQ in the stratosphere allow himself to be boxed in? Especially such a calm, measured and, above all, stable one at that.

[shrike3]

44. They think he is. But they're playing with fire.

History is littered with the corpses of people who thought they could control the authoritarian.

[purr-rat beauty]

45. Yes men work both ways

they will cup your balls
they will crush your balls

[The Magistrate]

46. Pretty Much

Think of some Dungeons and Dragons tale, where an evil wizard has all the necessities for a ghastly spell that will ruin the world, except for one: a great diamond through which the spell must be focused to take effect. That's Trump. The concentrating point of the enterprise, and at the same time merely its figurehead.

[harumph]

47. Of course that's the plan. But the problem is that

his handlers think they can control the variables - control the outcomes. They can't. Anytime sycophancy takes the place of expertise an enterprise fails. Admins hand picked for their loyalty (not smarts) reduce everything to an HR problem. They wrongly think people are like widgets - interchangeable. Of course this is bullshit outside of a Dollar General. Even if they kinda know how their poor practices are degrading the enterprise, they're only looking at the short term and getting the fuck out of Dodge after payday. At the grunt end, quiet quitting takes place - maybe even mild sabotage. A critical mass of billionaires here don't love this country - and have shown this by their advertised support of Trump. It (like Trump) is merely a vehicle to get them what they desire. Less taxes. Move to VAT tax solely. Eliminate estate taxes. That's it. The sum of their philosophy is "more more more for me." Stupidly, and perhaps fatally for all of us trapped under their rule, they also believe that having $$$ implies certain predispositions that they share with all the super-monied of the world. Hence, Art of the Deal type thinking. See, everything is a deal - get it?? Wrong. Not everything is for sale.

The worst fear I have is that when Trump replaces higher ups in the military, our readiness will be degraded significantly. You might ask about degradation of our "rights." Our rights won't matter when we are subject to several targeted nuclear strikes - because some dumb as fuck loyalists are out of their depth and have compromised us in certain ways I need not elaborate here.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, with the world getting hotter, less crops every year, the billionaire class is worried that even American dimwits will get a clue at some point. So, they're trying to put into place sufficient paper laws so that any future actual threats to their control will be put down quickly, quietly and within the bounds of the law. In effect, they want America to be a company store. Remember the old company stores from the mining days? Most young people have no clue what's coming down the track.

[oldmanlynn]

48. Yes. They needed a person who is morally corrupt

They needed a stooge like trump that would be willing to break the rules and who had a cult following. They have everything in place to a take over of the country.

We cant let them no matter who our nominee is. Fight. This is our civil war

[paleotn]

49. Careful. Many a disaster has been perpetrated by " we can control him. "

[harumph]

50. Yep, see my post #47

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

51. Project 2025's plan is so odious that they have to hide behind TSF...

... now let that sink in. Because that is what they are doing. Just like with Reagan; Meese, Regan, Poppy Bush and the left over Nazi sympathizers from the OSS/CIA put him in the ceremonial office and handed him a script to act out. While they began the mechanizations of putting in the current crop of GOP/RNC/MAGA/Deplorables, with plenty of help from Newt Gingerich and his Contract On America. Come to think of it, the Contract On America was the mini Project 2025 to torque up that, "Damn'd Yankee Governement".

Their "contracts and projects", are so odious that they have to hide it behind a buffoon(s) that they rally behind.

[tavernier]

53. I've suspected this all along

and shared in posts, but heaven forbid we look too much like we are thinking conspiracy. It’s all just coincidence, right?

[andym]

54. Trump and The Heritage Foundation USE each other for their own purposes. NT.

[liberalla]

60. That sounds about right and the most likely explanation.

[republianmushroom]

56. Yup

[moondust]

62. Co-conspirators?

Similar despotic ideology whether or not coordinated.

FWIW, the Nazi Party was under construction for a few years before Hitler became its Führer.

[GoodRaisin]

66. Of course he is. He's too stupid to make any kind of plan of his own

other than his simple plans to steal. He has the knowledge of about 6th grade level.