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fishwax

(29,346 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2024, 11:46 AM Jul 2024

Thoughts on The Bad News Bears on this Fourth of July

On Monday I watched the original version of The Bad News Bears, from 1976, with my eleven-year-old son. He liked the movie, because it’s about baseball and there are some good laughs and you have fun cheering for the underdog and you wind up feeling good even though (as with the original Rocky, which came out a few months later) the underdog doesn’t actually win in the end.

But while he liked the movie, he was not impressed with the 1970s: he commented on the cavalier attitude towards things like smoking in the dugout and drunk driving; the way that everybody just sort of shrugs it off when the hyper-competitive, poor-sport opposing coach just smacks his son in the face and knocks him down right on the pitcher’s mound in the final inning, and the various forms of casual bigotry displayed not only by the film’s villains but by kids on the team we’re rooting for.

“It was a good movie,” he said at the end. “But what was up with the ‘70s?”

I just said: “I mean, it was the 1970s. There were a lot of things that we didn’t know and a lot of things we were still figuring out. We were trying to learn and improve, and sometimes that process looks messy from the other side. But it’s worth it.”

And I don’t know how satisfied he was with the answer, but I’ve been thinking about the conversation over the last couple of days, because the subtext of the movie is that the reason all these kids are on the same team is that in previous years the league wouldn’t even let them join, and one of the dads (a city councilman, who like every other adult in the film, is deeply flawed as well) had to sue the league to guarantee that every kid had the right to play, and then all those rejects wound up on the Bad News Bears (sponsored by Chico’s Bail Bonds, lol). Because, yes, the process of self-reflection and improvement is messy, but worth it—individually and culturally. (It’s the best path to making America great.)

So Happy Birthday, America!

And please don’t give up on the process.

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Thoughts on The Bad News Bears on this Fourth of July (Original Post) fishwax Jul 2024 OP
It gets even worse the further back that you go Polybius Jul 2024 #1
I tell my kids that Bettie Jul 2024 #2
I think a lot of the bad behavior in the movie was intended to be shocking. Dpd174 Jul 2024 #3
It's an excellent work of art. The "we've come so far" stuff is true, but an art buzzkill. gulliver Jul 2024 #4

Polybius

(21,383 posts)
1. It gets even worse the further back that you go
Thu Jul 4, 2024, 01:16 PM
Jul 2024

If he were to watch a movie from the 40's or 50's, he would be stunned. My best advice is to tell him to take each movie as the product of their times.

Bettie

(19,219 posts)
2. I tell my kids that
Thu Jul 4, 2024, 01:20 PM
Jul 2024

movies from previous decades remind us how far we have come as a society.

Each generation has been a little better than the last, overall in terms of respecting each other.

 

Dpd174

(18 posts)
3. I think a lot of the bad behavior in the movie was intended to be shocking.
Thu Jul 4, 2024, 02:32 PM
Jul 2024

Even for the era.

The humor was more of the "shock" genre than mainstream comedy. We're a lot more used to it now, but at the time, hearing kids talk that way, a baseball coach that was a chainsmoking drunk, and other things we take offense to now were somewhat new at that time, especially in a mainstream movie with (at the time) an A-list actor.

I think it's more like "Bad Santa" was more recently...the shock of seeing characters talk and act in a way we'd never seen before on screen is what made it popular.

That said, I'm commenting from memory, and haven't seen that movie since...probably the '70s. I remember my mom forbid us to watch it (which, of course, meant that was the number one priority to my circle of friends, lol).

gulliver

(13,697 posts)
4. It's an excellent work of art. The "we've come so far" stuff is true, but an art buzzkill.
Thu Jul 4, 2024, 03:00 PM
Jul 2024

Seeing Tatum O'Neill smoking in Paper Moon (or the great Jackie Earle Haley as Kelly in Bad News Bears) just represents a truth in a very artful and important way. As I'm sure you know, not everything should actuate every moral impulse. That way lies superficiality.

I just rewatched "Serial," the movie that starred Martin Mull (who died last week). A lot of very funny, very smart, very topical stuff, but a lot of "tut-tut" stuff too.

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