The NY Times doesn't even do basic fact checking

[choie]

Link to tweet

[ImNotGod]

1. Didn't their investigative journalist department get sacked years ago like most news organizations taken over by

deep pocket investors.

[Lonestarblue]

46. Descendants of Adolph Ochs have control of the NYT and its media empire, not investors.

A. G. Sulzberger is the grandson of Ochs, who purchased the paper in 1896. While the Times has shareholders, all the voting stock—and thus all the management decisions—are in the hands of family members. As the Publisher of the NYT, Sulzberger makes its publishing decisions, and he seems to have a vendetta against Biden because Trump invited him to the WH twice during his term and Biden has not given the Times a private interview.

I’m sure most readers remember how the Times harped on Hillary Clinton’s emails daily as if she were the only government official to have a private server. Karl Rove used a private server for all messages leading up to the Iraq War and then illegally deleted them to avoid the press finding out their contents. The Times helped paint Hillary as a major lawbreaker but after the election we learned that she had three confidential emails—not top-secret documents like the ones Trump illegally took—and I think at least one of them had been classified after it was sent to her. In other words, the Times made a mountain out of a molehill, and it’s doing the same to Biden now for one bad day.

[paleotn]

60. Hell, Colin Powell told Clinton all about private servers.

Won't hear about that in the NYT.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/08/colin-powell-hillary-clinton-email-state-department

[soldierant]

66. And IIRC, anything he might have missed

was provided by Cond Rice.

[Blue Owl]

2. Fuck this guy

Let him spend a few years living in North Korea or Vlad's Russia then get back to us about the importance of voting

[yorkster]

3. What the hell is going on with the NYT?

Appalling.

[moondust]

5. Working for Wall Street

and the oligarchs?

[yorkster]

12. Since Judith Miller I've been leery of the NYT

especially over the last few years, but this takes the cake.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

36. Me too.

Judith Miller was journalistic malpractice.

[Cassidy]

29. I phoned and cancelled my NYT subscription this morning.

I feel so much better not contributing to their Biden trashing!
When asked why I cancelled, I said because they are clearly trying to reelect Trump.

I plan to send that $20/mo. to Democrats.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

37. Outstanding. And welcome to DU (a tad late)

[DENVERPOPS]

40. Over the past several months

everyone I know has cancelled their NYT on line subscriptions, including me.

It has to be hurting them, which they certainly deserve with all this extreme shit they are publishing.

Now I am being hammered with spam by them, and phone calls to re-subscribe for 99 cents a year.........That leads me to believe that it has hurt them seriously...........

And, unless I have been mis-informed, given their new editor, WaPo better be careful too................

[liberalmuse]

48. The sad thing is

(For the NYT, that is), they will never get very many conservatives to subscribe to them and their liberal readers are dropping them en masse. I saw a right wing coworker sitting near me recoil and gasp because he accidentally clicked on a link to one of their stories before quickly clicking away. This was a grown man. They laughably think the NYT is liberal propaganda. No, just corporate propaganda. The NYT started earning that title decades ago by publishing Judith Miller’s continual shilling for the Iraq invasion.

[DENVERPOPS]

49. The NYT is so f'ing stupid

They don't have a clue that the Right Wing & Trumphumpers don't & won't ever read their paper anyway, so they are shooting themselves in the foot by publishing the RW atrocities......

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

56. Reply with "Every time you spam me, I'm sending Biden $34"

A pox on all their houses

[wryter2000]

4. Good Lord

They're publishing stories about why people shouldn't vote? They've lost their ever-loving minds.

[sop]

30. The author voted, yet claims he didn't. The NYT published a lie. They must publish a retraction immediately.

It's not an inconsequential lie, it is the basis for an entire opinion piece. If the NYT doesn't publish a retraction immediately, they're no better than the National Enquirer.

[ancianita]

43. Yes. They've been known to make retractions.

When it comes to an election year, who knows what the ratfuckers' standards are.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

38. All in the interest of depressing turnout. nt

[valleyrogue]

6. No surprise. You can ask Gene Lyons about that.

He documented the NYT's lack of fact checking some thirty years ago with his book, Fools for Scandal: How the Media Invented Whitewater..

[JohnQFunk]

64. I've been saying this ever since the fake Whitewater "scandal"

[Jrsygrl96]

7. Looks like

a young Adolf Hitler!

[True Blue American]

11. My first thought.

Hair do and all. And I remember Adolph.
The times gave a person 7 minutes to respond to a hateful opinion..

I would not wipe my**** on the NYT.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

58. Birdcage liner or hamster litter, that's all it's good for

Seriously, run the NYT thru the shredder and make your hammy happy.

[soldierant]

67. Assuming the little darling can't read.

I have met hamsters smarter than MAGAts.

[BComplex]

61. Yep. He looks like a hitler wannabe.

So he's proud to wear his stupid as a badge of honor.

[Skvngr]

28. Was going to say this exactly, lil Adolf!

🤮

[FuzzyRabbit]

33. My first thought also.

I wonder why he wants his hair to look like Adolph's?

[dchill]

44. I'm sure he'd be glad you noticed!

[chouchou]

8. Excuse the pun..but, Dear God,,,,he looks like a fun date!

[BaronChocula]

22. You could see through him

like incellophane.

[Ocelot II]

9. There's a Backpfeifengesicht if I've ever seen one.

[Hekate]

27. I endorse your message

[Arabela]

10. I cancelled my NYT subscription the day after their debate editorial.

Should've done it a long time ago.

[True Blue American]

14. Thank you.

I am hearing a few say,” But the Times has good articles, that is just the opinion page.” Excuse me the Editors approve it all.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

41. This. THe goddamn opinion page MATTERS. nt

[tenderfoot]

13. It's intentional

eom

[Hermit-The-Prog]

15. The NYT is little more than a campaign organization for the Republican party.

More people voting means more Democrats winning and the Regressive party knows this.

[highplainsdem]

16. Thank you! Here's a link to my thread analyzing his essay, and I'll add a link to your thread there:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219103035

[DFW]

17. The NYT ran an op-ed by a HILLSDALE GRAD???

What's next? A Sunday edition edited by Opus Dei?

The NYT is fast becoming a stealth right wing bastion. What a perversion of the great paper that it used to be.
I wonder why its owners are comfortable with such a putrid deterioration?

[tenderfoot]

31. TBH, when was it ever a "great" paper?

They were non-interventionists regarding slavery before the Civil War

Smooched/pussy footed Hitler in the 1930s

Painted NYC as a crime riddled hellhole with a citizenry that couldn't care less with their Kitty Genovese story.

Homophobic coverage of the AIDS crises back in the 1980s.

Judith FUCKING Miller

But her emails

Joe is too old.

When were they great?

[Yoyoyo77]

50. In the thirties while their man in Berlin was coddling Hitler,

Their man in Moscow was coddling Stalin!

[AverageOldGuy]

18. That photo . . .

Look at his hair and mustache.

Remind you of anyone?

Perhaps he does it on purpose?

Just sayin' . . . .

[Takket]

19. apparently the only qualification to be given a NYT op-ed is to be a supporter of right wing ideology

otherwise how can you explain how and why this extremist nobody was given an op ed in one of the most prestigious papers in the country?

[mn9driver]

20. Charming photo.

And what a remarkably unpatriotic and dishonest op ed for the 4th of July. The Times isn’t even trying to pretend anymore. Their mask is off.

[Tanuki]

21. Thanks for this. I just called and cancelled my digital

subscription. I was poised to do so after the anti-Biden Editorial Board hit job but didn't follow through. This was the last straw. I told the hapless person on the other end of the line in no uncertain terms why I was canceling.

[GiqueCee]

23. You can tell...

... just by looking at him that he desperately wants to flog somebody, the sanctimonious little dung beetle.

[Think. Again.]

24. Once word gets out the author is a hillsdale graduate...

...rightwing voters will read the article and hopefully not vote because of it (I didn't read the article myself because I try to avoid exposing myself to rightwing propaganda like the NYT, breitbart, fox, etc.)

[not a texan]

25. He looks like Hitler's brother

Just sayin' is he trying for that look?

[Hekate]

26. Had to do a double-take for the haircut, mustache, and expression to register. Sieg Heil, baby.

[Ms. Toad]

32. Did they provide any evidence for the allegation that he voted in 2020 and 2022?

He is registered to vote at his current address (which might be the same as his prior address - the information I'm finding is mixed as to whether he moved in 2017 or 2022), but I haven't been able to find his voting record online. Voting record is also public, but generally it requires a trip to the BOE, and since this is a 7/4 op ed, and the BOE is closed on 7/4, I'm just wondering how capitolhunter was able to fact check so quickly.

There's an awful lot of confirmation bias posting going on recently (which then gets reposted as fact and spread far and wide, regardless of whether it is true).

[blogslug]

42. Journalist Timothy Burke posted this on Bluesky

https://voteref.com/voters/MI/view/1747f70b-2e98-4f23-9dcd-df5816dff0ea


Mr. Burke is the journalist who leaked clips of Kanye West spewing anti-semitic shit, leaked from un-aired footage of the Tucker Carlson show:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Burke_(journalist)#Tucker_Carlson_case

[Ms. Toad]

62. Perfect - thanks.

In my initial search I did find a link to a bluesky article about the op ed, but the article had apparently been retracted (no explanation given).

[W_HAMILTON]

70. So you were the one in the wrong? Not the OP.

And I'm sure you are well aware that each state has its own rules and that, no, a trip to the BOE is not required in every state to see a voter's history. Mine is another state where there is an easily accessed website where one can do that at any time.

[Ms. Toad]

71. The information in the OP was correct - but - nothing in my post is "in the wrong"

I asked a question, which was answered with the information I needed, and "generally" is not an assertion that all states work the same way.

After verifying each of the other assertions in the Xitter post (as I generally do when a post linked to contains unsupported assertions that play into confirmation bias), I asked the OP if the author of the Xitter post provided evidence for the only piece of information I couldn't independently verify.

They apparently didn't, since the verification that was provided came from a completely different person, using a source other than the Michigan BOE.

The verification came from an independent national organization, and was gathered on April 1, 2023. Before asking if the source provided any verification, I had already found Walther's voter registration on the Michigan website by tracking down his address and birthdate, so I could confirm his registration. But his voting record was not available on the Michigan website. (So your state is not necessarily "another" state - for all I know, it's the only one.)

Had I claimed that Walther did not vote in the election, I would made the assertion flat out, and would have backed it up with fact-checking. That isn't what I did, I simply asked if the source had provided evidence. It's a bit rude of you to jump into a conversation you haven't been involved in simply to insert a "gotcha" comment - especially when reading with comprehension would have told you that there's no "gotcha."

[W_HAMILTON]

74. I'm all for verifying/fact-checking information...

...but this isn't the first time you've been skeptical and immediately jumped to a contrarian viewpoint on information that was correct.

If your guiding light is the truth, I would suggest stop jumping to opposing conclusions and instead let the actual facts dictate your opinion; otherwise, you run the risk of being the one spreading misinformation -- as you did here -- rather than being the one to expose it.

[Ms. Toad]

75. Please quote the statement I made asserting (1) the OP was wrong or (2) that he didn't vote.

You won't be able to, because I never said it.

You are the one spreading misinformation here, not me. Fortunately, the entire communication is available so if anyone wants to confirm what I did or did not say, it is in plain sight.

[Sessuch]

35. Many Germans did not vote

And Hitler took over.

[CanonRay]

39. He's making quite an effort to look like Herr Hitler

[Permanut]

45. Pat Sajak will be so proud!

[dchill]

47. Jay wall, mine furrier!

[joanbarnes]

51. ...and he looks like Hitler

[Colgate 64]

52. He even looks the part

with that cute little Hitlerian moustache.

[uponit7771]

53. Are all the editors at NYT extremely comfortable rich people? They have no qualms about a TFG reign

[Dave Bowman]

54. What a slappable face.

[MangoMoose]

55. NYT @AGSNYT is another Nepo-baby Billionaire.

Looks very Hitlersque.

[lees1975]

57. I agree. No right winger, Trumper, MAGA cult member should vote.

The rest of us, ignore this moron.

[paleotn]

59. And a Grade A goober.

Dear god, man, get a life.

I think Robin Williams described him best.....

[Warpy]

63. Looks like a campaign poster picture from the 1880s

which seems to be where his head is at. I suppose he was going for seriousness but he looks like a very silly man. The fact that he thinks he can get away with such an easily debunked lie would tend to confirm that. I suppose he thought Jebus would protect him from being found out as a fraud.

The NYT has never shrunk from trying to keep the unwashed away from the polls. They fancy themselves the paper of record for the elite, the cocktail circuit set, the ones with debutante daughters whose only job is to marry within their class and sons who started at the top as soon as they graduated Wharton with a "gentleman's C,"

I remember how they dragged their feet on reporting that the Vietnam War was unwinnable or that Nixon was not only a crook, but a clumsy one. The only good parts were the NYT Review of Books and the NYT Magazine, both of which you could buy without having to buy the paper, itself.

The Grey Lady has been a tart for decades. She's just not even pretending to be virtuous any longer.

[spanone]

65. Looks like a fine little nazi

[Progressive dog]

69. The mustache needs to be a little shorter

and straighter on the ends.

[LeftinOH]

72. That totally looks like a colorized photo from the 1930s.

Sure, it's a current picture -- but the "look" he's going for here has to be intentional.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. Almost every single story on the New York Times' 2024 Elections homepage right now is some version of "Biden sucks."

Link to tweet

[Freethinker65]

76. So an apology on page one is forthcoming???

WTAF