Thanks, James Carville, you ratf*cker extraordinaire

[Fiendish Thingy]

Carville met with big Dem donors this week to discuss strategies to “force Biden out of the race”.

Now, NBC reports this:

https://apple.news/AeQ4_ra0lQD6dHMwrdtEYPQ

Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, said Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

-snip-

And she’s not the only one pausing gifts until Biden steps down. Gideon Stein, the president of the Moriah Fund, said he’s decided to pause planned donations of $3.5 million, earmarked for nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race.

-snip-

Karla Jurvetson, a philanthropist and major Democratic donor, hinted as recently as Tuesday in a private donor call (this is the call Carville organized) that she agrees with the sentiment on pausing donations until Biden steps down and could end up making such move, according to a person familiar with her remarks. The person was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about a private conversation.
A spokesman for Jurvetson did not return repeated requests for comment.
Jurvetson is among the top 50 donors this cycle across the country, donating over $5 million to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets. She’s given over $200,000 to the Biden Victory Fund this cycle, according to FEC records.
Jurvetson gave over $30 million to Democrats in 2020, according to the data.

[TexasDem69]

1. This is Carville's fault?

Was Carville debating Trump?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. Deflection doesn't address what Carville actually did, as reported in the OP.

[H2O Man]

66. Exactly.

I've never cared for him. And he's become bitter and much more obnoxious in recent years. He's a snake.

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Carville is making the push for donors to withhold funds until Biden drops out

He wants to “force Biden out of the race”

You don’t see a problem with that?

[TexasDem69]

14. That's not what I asked

And are the donors on our shit-list too? Seems like those folks are smart enough to make their own decisions.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. So outsiders organizing strategies to force the nominee off the ticket is OK?

Better Carville than Roger Stone, I guess?

[Silent Type]

19. +1. The chit-list and eating/bashing our own just doesn't help.

[edisdead]

55. Are you feeling unwell?

I seriously mean that.

You are ok with do ors subverting our votes? Seriously?

[choie]

56. Yes, if they threaten to withhold donations from Biden

in order to force Dems to get him to withdraw, yeah - yeah, they're on our shit-list.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

58. I think we can support our nominee without putting them on our shlist nt

[Silent Type]

60. At least one of them is shifting their donations to Congressional and Senate races. Could be a smart move.

[GoreWon2000]

91. Elites won't disenfranchise we the people

Their traitorous behavior is only helping tRump who'll turn our country into a dictatorship

[Silent Type]

93. We're behind now. We need to do something about that.

[GoreWon2000]

98. FYI, it's still a tie!

Your support for elites disenfranchising we the people follows in the footsteps of the Rehnquist 5 disenfranchising the country in 2000. Their choice bushthief rather than we the people's choice Al Gore, was a disaster. The grassroots will stay home in 2024 if they get disenfranchised again which will only help tRump and maga. How is that better?

[brush]

82. Agreed. Forcing Biden out will just give the WH to the orange criminal turd as...

we have no way of forcing trump to withdraw also.

He never will and the Heritage Foundation and the corrupt SCOTUS 6 who just ruled that he has unchallengeable immunity, have succeeded.

It's sickening. Without Dems uniting and fighting togehter, we have little chance to stop them with the election just four months away.

[SoFlaBro]

6. If Carville is in on the fuck shit then yeah, he is part of the problem.

[Cha]

34. Thank you.. It's not complicated.

[GoreWon2000]

92. Looks like he is the rat!

[orange jar]

8. It's Carville's fault if he convinces donors to withhold their donations to Biden and force him out of the race.

Biden had a horrible debate. The response to that hasn't been stellar. But why does Carville think he has any kind of authority to force Biden/Dems to do his bidding?

[yardwork]

22. That's what bugs me.

Carville is way out over his skis.

[Bobstandard]

11. Carville just loves the limelight

He’s given tons of shitty advice since the Bill Clinton years and his embrace of the get-rid-of Biden schtick is just another example. Screw him. And screw those donors if they think defunding the Democratic primary winner is a good idea. Their money insulates them from the worst effects of a Trump presidency and they know it. They’re willing to screw us to, what? Prove a point, show how powerful they are?

[bigtree]

27. this is Carville's fault

...not one candidate from either party has ever been forced out of the election because of one debate.

What really burns me about these people who think they're oh so entitled to tell the president he can't run haven't asked the voters who cast their ballots what they think at all.

Do you realize how much fury that would spark? Who is Carville or anyone else to tell the president he's unfit because of a debate? That he believes he has that kind of influence would be laughable save for the 'star-chamber' hookery he was planning to get around our votes and replace them with his fav.

They act like they live in a bananna republic.

We didn't elect him to debate Trump, we voted for him to defeat him. I'd like to know what these critics are doing to help him win, besides backbiting navelgazing?

[GoreWon2000]

94. Well said!

If Biden gets kicked off the ticket, I fear the grass roots will stay home on election day in protest which will be a disaster for our country. These rich elites have enough money to survive under a tRump dictatorship. The majority of Americans don't and we'll be left holding the bag because of these traitors. I fear this is dividing the dem party the way Teddy Kennedy divided it in 1980 and we know how that turned out.

[GoreWon2000]

90. Rich elites won't disenfranchise we the people!

There are many more grass roots donors and they count more than the rich elites.

[Ocelot II]

2. WTF is wrong with him?

[MustLoveBeagles]

7. I think he's lost his mind

This isn't helpful.

[senseandsensibility]

9. It wasn't too long ago that he said on MSNBC

that the NYT should not refer to cheato without referring to his convictions. I thought he would be a good voice for us going into the election. I guess that didn't garner enough attention, so he's jumping on the bandwagon.

[stopdiggin]

78. here's another older man - who has become much, much too enamored

with both his own (perceived) consequence, and the limelight.

[orange jar]

5. Carville is such a smarmy piece of shit.

He is a "my way or the highway" type of selfish idiot. Don't know why all these mega donors don't just tell him to go fuck himself.

[BComplex]

10. Just goes to show that having a shit ton of money doesn't make people smart.

This is really really stupid.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

12. James Carville wants the Democrats to win, you may not like his ways, but he is not the enemy. nt

[orange jar]

15. If Biden drops out, that should be by his own accord.

Carville is doing a disservice to everyone by trying to "force" it to happen. He's an egotistical asshat.

[FHRRK]

17. PUMA James

Was PuMA designed to help Dems?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

25. I do not know of this PUMA

[FHRRK]

33. Party Unity My Ass

He through a tizzy in 2008 when Clinton lost to Obama.

He has a history of this b.s.



http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2008/08/james-carville-wears-pumas-to-denver.html?m=1

[shrike3]

48. Late to the Dem party, are we?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

72. Not that late. I remember the debates between Obama and Clinton Well

I remember she graciously supported Obama at the convention.

What this PUMA is, I do not remember.

[Cha]

38. Yeah he is.. telling Donors not to Donate to Pres Biden.

[summer_in_TX]

71. Carville is seriously endangering any chance we have to defeat Trump. WTH???

From a purely pragmatic standpoint, dropping out at this point would be horrible for our chances to beat Donald Trump, no matter who they got to replace Biden:

For one, it would take a herculean effort to get a new ticket on the ballot in all 50 states.
Also, Biden would be unable to redirect campaign funds to that ticket so they would have significant money problems.
Then there's all the ads and messages already in the works that would be wasted, and the lead-time to create new ones, get them focus tested and scheduled would be tremendously difficult.
Choosing new candidates now, with the bitter feelings that doing so is likely to cause for factions of the party who would support particular ones (for instance Kamala's supporters if she isn't a top of the ticket pick) will be difficult and time-consuming. How damaging would that process be and who will be too angry and bitter to actively volunteer and work for new candidates?
Also there's the difficulty of getting party approval by the deadline to appear in all the states is challenging.(Ohio is already a problem.)
Another big cost would be to the energy level and enthusiasm of volunteers after such a disappointment. '

It is too late for all practical purposes to switch mid-stream.

Plus we'd lose the power of incumbency and would have to do a lot to educate voters about any new candidates. We have 4 months. Carville's ego is out of control, IMO.

Even if some have doubts, I think it would be smart at this point, considering everything, to lay those aside and work to re-elect Biden. .Besides, I believe that Biden is the bes t candidate still.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

74. I disagree very much

But, this is not the place where we should debate it.

[summer_in_TX]

77. I would be interested in your perspective.

Maybe by DU mail? But I am dead tired and won't be able to read it until tomorrow.

[GoreWon2000]

96. So you want to disenfranchise 14 million dem primary voters who voted for Biden?

I don't think so!

[GoreWon2000]

95. Disenfranchising 14 million dem primary voters who voted for Joe Biden

makes him the enemy. Who does Carville think he is thinking he knows better than we the people? How Rehnquist 5 of him!

[flamingdem]

13. What a creep

Done with him

He's helping the fat cats get what they want. He won't take responsibility
for helping Trump win and the fat cats also look the other way.

We're on our own fellow dems! (real dems)

[agingdem]

18. am I the only one that thinks James Carville, Bob Woodward, and Carl Bernstein

should STFU and go away?

[TexasDem69]

23. I need someone to tell me

Which are the good liberal commentators and which are the bad ones? So I know who to trust

[Silent Type]

30. Or who to quote.

[agingdem]

37. here's how you can tell..

Carville wants Biden to withdraw, Woodward interviewed Trump during the pandemic and Trump admitted covid was deadly and Woodward said nothing until his book came out...book sales over the publics right to know..and last week Carl Bernstein said there was a meeting with important Dems at the a Four Seasons restaurant in 2023...the topic..should Biden step down...only the meeting never happened bc the restaurant closed in 2019...

[TexasDem69]

40. People who don't toe the party line

Got it

[emulatorloo]

81. Pick which ever ones you want.

[Cha]

43. You don't need anyone.. We can tell by

their words who are the Trolls and who are really helping our Democracy.

[FrenchCitizen]

51. TRUST NONE OF THEM!

ALL of them are meant to get clicks and $$$ by spouting the most outrageous rubbish.

PUNDITS ARE PAID PROPAGANDISTS. ALL OF THEM.

[MagickMuffin]

99. Carville is far too the right to be considered a liberal

I consider him a conservative democrat who’s married to a hard core republican.

[lostnfound]

76. NTOO. nt

[dweller]

20. I gave up on this asscrack

on this day 2002

https://m.

✌🏻

[Pisces]

21. Maybe he has more information than we do about Biden's capacity. I don't think this guy is playing

For the MAGA team. Maybe we should be asking more questions on why he is now pushing for a change. Maybe they also have internal polling we haven’t seen. The fact that this board doesn’t want to have an adult conversation about what is going on with the President is just as scary as the fools following Trump without question. It is our job to question and make sure that Biden is still capable of doing the job. What we saw at the debate should worry anyone.

I will state again that I and almost all Democrats will vote for Biden no matter what his mental state, but there are a sliver of people that may not. We need to be open to the best option for
Democracy. This is bigger than one person.

[bigtree]

28. no. What relationship has Carville EVER had with Joe Biden?

...he's not anywhere near the President or the White House.

He doesn't even know his own bony ass anymore, much less what President Biden is doing.

[Goodheart]

32. I respect James Carville

He has an absolute disgust for donald trump and is alarmed into action.

Having said that, I think Carville asking donors to withhold support is premature until we see a new round of polling next week. I'm wondering if the tone on this board will change should those show a slide in Biden's support among voters.

[W_HAMILTON]

41. Ever think that maybe it's because he has less?

And is resentful of being on the outside looking in?

[Cha]

47. Exactly!!

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

42. It is our job to support the nominee, at least here. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

50. Carville was on Bill Maher bad mouthing Biden months ago

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[stopdiggin]

83. the difference being - the vast majority of voices on this site

have decided that "the best option for Democracy" - does NOT include having this debate, over, and over, and over again.

The president is NOT going to step down. It does NOT represent a best (or even moderately good) option for the party (or democracy). And no good purpose is served by continuing to endlessly wring our hands (and 'ask questions').

And that is why donors, James Carville, and individual posters on DU meet with this response.

[GoreWon2000]

97. Spare me!

You attack Biden while you ignore the ever declining mental capacity of the orange turd?

[regnaD kciN]

24. Is he hoping that, if Biden drops out...

…they’ll turn to Hillary as his replacement?



(Not a knock on HRC herself; it’s just always seemed that Carville’s devotion is to the Clinton family first and the Democratic Party a distant second.)

[ZZenith]

26. Anyone know if Carville ever spent some time on Little Saint James?

[mucifer]

29. Oh great we are officially in disarray

[claudette]

31. Never could

stand that hillbilly hick and his ugly face and accent.

[Goodheart]

35. I resent your remark. People from Louisiana are not hillbillies.

There are very few hills in Louisiana. And as far as the accent goes, what are you talking about?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

36. And calling people ugly, is not nice nt

[W_HAMILTON]

45. Neither is spearheading an effort to defund our Democratic president and current nominee.

It's not only "not nice" -- it's a threat to our democracy.

Fuck Carville and any idiots that follow his advice.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

61. We are talking about calling people ugly nt

[claudette]

64. Is Carville not

ugly and hard to look at or listen to. I grab the remote when I see his ugly face.

[edisdead]

59. Why are the republicans better at messaging?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

65. A couple of things come to mind,

Tribal/club/clique instincts are easily triggered.
We are all in this together is easy at the tribal level, or even national level, but at the world level, not so much.
We are all in this together is also easier if everyone looks the same.
Harder to push the global aspect of being in it together.
Empathy isn't as easily messaged as self survival, I believe.
Higher level logic is less emotional and takes a deeper thought

And saying you don't like someones face can have racism and tribalism built into it.
Calling someone ugly is not nice, but am I to understand that this can help with votes?
I suppose if you call someone little, or ugly, it can help with diminishing their appeal.

Nobody is voting for this guy anyway.

[claudette]

63. He is

Carville's blabbering, hard to understand accent.

[Goodheart]

67. The accents in Louisiana are quite varied

Carville's is very intelligible.

[claudette]

88. I know

Besides. He is an idiot.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

39. Dumbfuck is too late to be playing this game

[lapucelle]

44. The villains here are the multi-millionaires trying to muscle down-ballot Democrats

into doing what they want done under the threat of withholding cash.

James Carville needs to sit down and shut up, but to act as if this entitled group of ridiculously wealthy donors has no agency here, ignores reality.

Those donors are frankly disgusting.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

57. Less disgusting than the ones who donate to the GOP nt

[LymphocyteLover]

46. IMO James isn't getting as much attention as he wants and just wants to be relevant again

no matter the damage he causes

[regnaD kciN]

85. Carville lucked out...

…by being chosen to run the campaign of the one candidate who combined big charisma and the Southern identity and centrist politics that could win in 1992…and, after that victory, went around selling the idea that it was his own political genius that was responsible for Clinton becoming president. Sort of like the old joke about Bush having been born on third base and believed he’d hit a triple.

Since then? Carville’s record has been undistinguished – but he remains high on his own supply.

[FrenchCitizen]

52. Jimbo over here can FUCK OFF

Hes ALWAYS whining and crying about Joe.

DINO!

[regnaD kciN]

87. I'm wondering if he resents that Biden, like Obama, ran in 2008...

…thus keeping HRC from coasting to the nomination, and then being the one Obama chose as his V.P.? I seem to recall at least one shot Hillary took at him in her second memoir (going out of the way to point out that Joe was the one voice in the administration who thought the ObL raid was too risky).

[Baitball Blogger]

53. Fuck you, you duplicitious rich, dirty dog Dem donors.

Hopefully there will be good dems with deep pockets who will make up the difference.

[Gore1FL]

54. I was done with Carville when he took part to oust Howard Dean as DNC chair.

We have not been as strong as a party since.

[regnaD kciN]

86. Yes, that was purely slimy...

I’m not going to say that Howard Dean is the greatest politician ever…but his leadership of the DNC, and particularly his fifty-state strategy, brought us out of the wilderness to retake Congress? His reward? An effort, spearheaded by Carville, to remove him from the post so a member of the Clinton inner circle could take the helm for the lead-up to the 2008 primaries.

[Patton French]

62. Back in the day I really liked that guy. NT

[duhneece]

68. I donated today because of this kind of shit

DU’s Biden Act Blue, of course.

[Linda ladeewolf]

69. The Democratic governors are supporting Biden.

So am I. I will not be dissuaded from doing so. They seem to believe that he’s in his right mind and many of them have been touted as being replacements for Biden. Carville is an old man too, who is to say he’s any better off in his mind? Besides that, contingency plans are always in place. If Biden chooses to step aside after the election, there is Kamala, and if we retake the house that moves Hakeem Jeffries up to her position if I remember correctly, both are good people. Hakeem would make a great president.

[NoMoreRepugs]

70. I'm Ridin' with Biden and absolutely do not care what any talking head says.

[dchill]

73. Gee, can't wait until Ari Melber has him on again!

[slightlv]

75. We don't have time to replace Biden with anyone 'young'

My gods, even Obama isn't "young!" We've got more than a few middle age and older people who might fit the bill, but even they don't have universal name recognition. The amount of effort to build up somebody this long past the primaries is more than we're going to get from a Democratic party right now. And if they DO push it, there's going to be bad feelings all over everywhere with everybody. It'll be worse than when Bernie was running. All we'll do is tear ourselves apart, much like we did before, and found T in the Oval office. same thing will happen this time.

Yes, for F*cks sake, Biden is old. YeGods, tell me something I don't already know!!! Just because he's old doesn't mean he's ready for damned grave. And, for a board full of us "old people" I'm really amazed at the amount of ageism I've seen. I find it totally disheartening and a hell of turn off from voting for anyone. The crap that a lot of us are facing... are feeling... as we're in our older ages... doesn't mean Biden is the same way. For better or worse, Biden is a hell of a lot richer than most of us and has had access to better health care than the majority of us. I'd wager a bet he could run rings around most of us around here. I know I feel as old as Methuselah's mother when reading of his exploits, and I'm a good 15-20 years younger than he is.

There is NO ONE in this election who isn't old. Biden, Trump, even RFK is old by the standards of the general populace. You know what they want? They want what they see as a younger, vital man... white, christian is better... angry and ready to kill is best. We don't have anyone like that in our party, and we hopefully never will. I, for one, am glad of that.

I'll vote for the guy who isn't a rapist and a cheat. I'll vote for the GOOD man with experience and common sense.

[JohnSJ]

79. What would you expect from someone who is married to Mary Matalin?

[emulatorloo]

80. Well I guess I need to make another "small donor donation" to BIDEN-HARRIS tomorrow.

Really sick of Carville’s active sabotage.

[Janbdwl72]

84. I had a few thoughts on this Carville development.

First of all, there are plenty of other races where the Democratic candidates could greatly use contributions. Of course, there are Senate and House races and some Gubernatorial contests as well. Why can't the large donors like those cited just give specifically to some of those candidates in non-Presidential races?

Second, it seems like this news coming from Democrats about efforts by a few malcontents to persuade Biden to withdraw is sucking the air out of all other political news. The Supreme Court's horrific rulings and Trump's 34 convictions should not be overshadowed by this. The reporting on this seems to portray deep divisions in the party and that seems to be overblown a bit.

And finally, I am disappointed in Carville, a long time Democrat. A man with his experience should realize the huge challenges associated with determining a successor at this late date, after most primaries have concluded. Also, I lived in Louisiana many years ago and am an LSU fan, like Carville. So in this sense, it disappoints me.