"Biden needs to step down" is a Putin Psyop

[librechik]

Don't fall for it.

[Easterncedar]

1. Yep yep yep

[Peacetrain]

2. I am right there with you on that.. I can smell borscht all over this

Trump can't kow tow enough to the Putin and his cronies.. so you know they are going to mix it up in our politics just like they did last time.. with Hillary

[Meadowoak]

3. Trump and Putin are terrified of Biden. They know

He will be at Trump like a drum, again.

[Tickle]

7. You wouldn't think Putin would be terrified of Biden

looking at the past events.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Come now. Biden has been at the head of the effort to support Ukraine with arms and other assistance. . . nt

[Beck23]

32. Biden is helping Ukraine

Trump would give Ukraine to Putin.

[haele]

33. Putin isn't "terrified" but he's terrified to try to bully Biden

He knows Russia can't stand toe to toe with the US, or even some individual NATO countries due to the corruption inherent in the Russian system.
He's getting his ass handed to him from a country "next door" that doesn't even have nukes or a navy, where he initially still had some quantity of mafia-like "foot soldier" types in place that would rather still be operating in a corrupt Russia instead of an emerging representative democracy that was improving citizens lives, instead of letting a few mediocre big men just taxing everyone else's hard work enough to live in luxury and pay off those equally mediocre foot soldiers to keep the citizenry in line.
That's what the GOP wants. That's what an unfortunately large number of mediocre corporate leaders who blithely ignore the fact other people's hard work, along with cheating the system, got them to where they were.
Biden is a New Deal type who gets things done. Not a front for corporate and religious "leaders" who want control over We the People

Haele

[Meadowoak]

50. terrified Biden will beat Trump. People just don't like Trump. We are NOT a 50/50 nation,

We are a 29% Republican, 39% Democrat. 40% independant nation. Trump won't even get all the republican vote. The math does
NOT work for Trump. despite the media bullshit, they only want ratings and they need a horse race to get them. Rest assured it will be a BIDEN LANDSLIDE.

[RavioliMan]

4. respectfully disagree

[brooklynite]

6. No it's not...

…unless you want to imagine that Democratic elected officials, donors and volunteers are Russian agents.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. That's a naive view of how it works

It is not classical spy vs spy with agents recruited and secret drop off points.

It is done by manipulation of the blogosphere, by the constant creation of noise and hubub behind an idea / meme / graphic.

There are Democrats who will have perceived some kind of ground swell that is astroturfed without them knowing it. Then they speak out, trying to catch the (artificial) wave (to mix metaphors).

Further, it is not a choice between 100% Putin-powered vs no Russian input at all. The truth is that some degree of chaos in the US benefits Putin and tRump. magas are the main energy behind the dump Biden chatter but Putin is seeding and amplifying.

Putin publicly says he wants Biden, but his actions align more with his orange finger puppet who, if stupidly given a chance, is likely to try to extort Zelensky as before and then cut him off if he balks.

[brooklynite]

19. Now you're saying they're not perceptive enough to see manipulation.

Sorry, but I know too many Democratic Party people who were concerned from the moment President Biden flubbed the debate, and when the campaign team didn't address the problem directly for a week. No need for Russian bots.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. No. I'm not saying or meaning your words that Democrats are stupid

Again, avoid false dichotomies.

When even skilled politicians need to gauge degrees of response and public / local sentiment, they gauge it as quantities, not as yes / no all-on / all-off items.

So even they can be fooled a little about the actual degree of sentiment. Particularly because ideas / memes / graphics travel through many eyeballs and hands before impinging on the consciousness of politicians. It is hard to imagine a politician not talking to other people before risking calling for Biden to quit. Such risks are not taken in a vacuum. Further, if a politician early on decides to get in front of an idea, it doesn't mean that their announcement is not going to amplified by others.

It would be foolish to say that all Democrats are perfect measurers of sentiment. Similarly, it must be noted that Putin does not need to sway 100% of Democrats or sway any one Democrat 100% for him to have an effect he finds desirable. Likewise, it is neglectful to think that Putin has to seed everything and can't just amplify some things whether or not he seeded them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. As to timing, it's a mistake think Putin&tRump operatives had no fingers at the ready

They were expecting a mild gaffe or two to jump on. They were thrilled at the way things turned out.

[paleotn]

17. Sheep perhaps? Not difficult to manipulate.

[Mr.WeRP]

34. Manchin and Sinema are certainly sus

And there are many “useful idiots.”

[wryter2000]

42. Not that

But they're falling for the propoganda.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

61. Would you please name them?

Comment is pretty vague.

[Progressive dog]

8. Well, I'm sure the

Putin/Trump co-op is involved now.

[Takket]

9. They pulled this same shit in 2016

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With "Hillary is dying" then. And people fell for it.

We are so gullible.

[rzemanfl]

10. The latest is TSF is "not prepared" to campaign against Kamala.

There are all sorts of new voices here singing call and response. We have to close ranks.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. Exactly

Like they did with Hillary.

Don't fall for it a 2nd time.

Not much has changed to disallow Putin from meddling in our elections again.

[2naSalit]

14. NPR sure is harping on that topic...

Led with it every day so far. Odd that it seems Maura Liasson is almost sounding like she's for Biden.

[DoBW]

15. total op

transparent as hell, to any one with an ounce of sense

[Butterflylady]

26. Or a brain 🧠

[._.]

16. Here's a meme to go w/your post:

[paleotn]

18. Possibly, or Americans could be screwing themselves again....

like whinny petulant children. All worked up about all the wrong things. Nothing new, really. We've needed to grow the fuck up for a long time. If Russian intel is behind this, they must marvel at how easy it is to manipulate Americans into fucking themselves.

[Attilatheblond]

21. And we should know by now that Russian Oilgarchs are NOT happy with Biden's sanctions of them and support for Ukraine

Putin and his band of criminals just fire up their favorite puppet to distract while they fire up the bot farms to create a 'Biden failed in a debate' crap.

Yes, Americans, well, too many of us, fall for all the marketing of Russia's wish list.

[paleotn]

24. Good points. This isn't the regular "weaken our advisary" stuff. This is existential for Putin and his cronies.

He's gotten Russia into one hell of a jam that's bleeding their military white and destroying their economy. A failure in Ukraine will probably doom his government and the key to that failure is the US. Still the arsenal of democracy Ukraine is drawing from. Cut that off and Putin may get out of the jam. Maybe. Sure as shit won't if Biden wins 4 more years.

[Attilatheblond]

28. Yep. Gotta figure between the people pushing Project 2025 & desperate Putin/Russian Oligarchs, Biden has enemies

who will do anything to take him down. It is just galling that so many Americans are falling for their work to destroy us using our own naive pettiness.

[Attilatheblond]

20. Also, a distraction from more & more mention of Project 2025 getting some attention

[Silent3]

22. Biden stepping down isn't a good idea, but let's not get silly

The negative reaction to Biden’s debate performance was completely organic and spontaneous.

Given that, would the usual troll farms and other Putin pals out there do what they can to amplify the effect? Sure. But that doesn’t make it a “psyop”.

[wryter2000]

44. We all had a negative reaction to the debate

But we were calming down and looking at the problem reasonably when the hue and cry got ridiculous.

[Silent3]

64. Opportunistically pumping up the situation, however, is hardly a "psyop"

Besides, I’m pretty sure our own so-called “liberal media” is quite capable of something at least close to current noise levels all on its own without Putin’s help.

[LiberalArkie]

25. I agree. I also think now that the "peace movement" in the 60's and 70's was a Soviet plan to destabilize the U.S.

along with the anti Nuke movement to eliminate cheap energy and keep the U.S. and others on their fossil fuels.

[wryter2000]

45. Antiwar

The antiwar movement was largely motivated because American young men were being drafted and sent into that war.

[LiberalArkie]

54. Yes, as American men have done since the start of the U.S.. And men have always protested and some have evaded service.

But the antiwar movement was different. The hatred of men that had served was different. You can still see that hatred in Trump.

Like how dare Americans go and fight against the comrades of the Soviet Union and the Chinese Peoples Republic.

I was at that age and remember how the antiwar protestors looked up to the Communists after all their systems had eliminated poverty and the wealthy classes and the whole the common people rule train of thought. After the war was over I remember us moving to eliminate the nuclear power plants because they were so dirty and created so much waste and how "clean natural gas" was the solution to all the worlds problems.

rinse, repeat.

[SocialDemocrat61]

27. This has been reported

https://www.wired.com/story/russia-disinformation-network-ai-generated-biden-video/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russias-2024-election-interference-already-begun-rcna134204
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/us/politics/russia-disinformation-election.html

It's shame some are falling for it, denying that it's happening and even defending it.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

62. Doing the work for them.

SMDH.

[sop]

30. It's becoming more and more difficult to tell where propaganda comes from these days, it's everywhere.

There are many powerful interests arrayed against Biden's re-election, and in support of a Trump restoration. I suspect this is one of those times they all saw an opportunity to advance their cause and happily piled on.

[NBachers]

31. Remember all the hand - wringing and bed-wetting over Al Franken? How'd that work out?

[woodsprite]

36. Exactly what i was thinking!

About all the Dems who hopped on THAT bandwagon and drove him out. That was so wrong - at all levels.

[tritsofme]

59. You mean how he was replaced by another great Democrat with zero electoral consequences?

Seems like it worked out fine.

[thesquanderer]

35. OTOH, David Axelrod seems to think the other side wants Biden to stay IN.

from https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/03/trump-biden-presidential-campaign/

“It sure seems {the Trump people} want Biden to stay on the ticket. They think he’s vulnerable, and they like where they’re at. You can see they are not excited at all about the prospect of him leaving the race,” said David Axelrod, a longtime top strategist to Barack Obama.

[wnylib]

43. And yet, there is a video at Liberal YouTubers

that shows the orange felon saying that he drove Biden out of the race and that Biden will step down.

So it looks like the orange felon wants Biden out.

[wryter2000]

47. Nah, that's just bragging

Typical of him.

[librechik]

65. Trump is the same as Putin.

Putin is the wolf deceiving the innocent. Like us.

[wryter2000]

46. Even if he's right

Changing candidates now would make us just as vulnerable or more.

[GoCubsGo]

37. I"m not sure I'd go so far as to say it's his doing.

But, I have no doubt he's been meddling in our elections, and is exacerbating the shitshow the GOPers have fomented after the debate.

[Linda ladeewolf]

38. This makes more sense than anything

This makes a lot of sense. I thought Biden had been drugged at the debate. He didn’t sound right. I sort of thought it was the bottle of water they gave him. You know they gave each of them a bottle of water. Then again, I don’t like conspiracy’s theories. Still CNN was the first to jump on this wagon it seemed to me. I’m always suspicious of them these days.

[wryter2000]

48. I think cold medicine

He obviously had no idea how he was coming off.

[Linda ladeewolf]

56. That could be

I hate taking cold medicine. It makes me completely out of it.

[wryter2000]

41. In before delete

I usually miss these things and have to guess what idiotic thing they said.

[wryter2000]

40. Yup

My only question is are we doing it without his help. Maybe because he planted the idea months ago.

[karin_sj]

49. This is also a war between the voters and the media/pundits

And it is one that we can win if we keep calling them on their bullshit and if we stop watching the shows with commentators that promote the "Biden must step down" message and keep/start watching those that tell the truth, like Lawrence O'Donnell, Joy Reid, Katie Phang, etc. No MAGAts are going to watch any MSNBC shows, ever. So, they will soon see which shows have a ratings drop and which show's ratings go way up. I'm still on the fence about Nicolle Wallace, but it looks like Mika convinced Joe to have a change of heart.

I also just cancelled my subscription to the Washington Post. Felt good to choose "concern about content" as my reason why. I just don't need the extra stress of their negative and overblown headlines coming through on my phone.

[roscoeroscoe]

51. All the rats pile on together

In my view it's not a 'Vast right-wing conspiracy,' it's more a bunch of conservative voices and actors who all pile on, competing for attention from the mob. With some Russian social engineering attackers joining in.

[usonian]

52. It's more of the same from Trumputin and Putrumpkin.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. The home page at WaPo is a full frontal and flanked assault on Biden.

Haven't had time to read much news in the past couple of weeks. The editorial choices are shocking.

[Jean Genie]

55. Totally Ridiculous!

Joe Biden: The BEST President we've had since ... well, since practically forever! A decent human being, compassionate, dedicated to democracy, thoughtful. Step down?! what a joke. Of course he should NOT step down! Give me a break!
And then I've read the articles saying Michelle Obama is the ONLY Democrat who could defeat Trump. Excuse me?! I love, respect, and admire Michelle Obama, but didn't she state rather clearly that she has NO INTEREST in running for political office? And didn't the "opposition" refer to her in highly unflattering jungle-esque terms, make a joke of her, and criticize her at every bend in the road? And isn't she a WOMAN? A BLACK woman? My god; can't anyone see that she's being "promoted" because her race and gender make her a target for all the good, white christian men who would certainly vote against her.
Wake up, and grow up! You're being played for a sucker if you believe she's the person we should support for the Presidency! Vote for Biden if you want to save your democracy from this horror that is being perpetrated on America!

[Linda ladeewolf]

57. Absolutely right

I think Michelle would make a great president, I also don’t think she wants it. Biden is all we’ve got, it’s much too late to change now. We need to get behind him and push. In many states it’s too late anyway to make changes, so let’s go with Biden. Project 2025 scares the hell out of me.

[kimbutgar]

58. Yes I have been feeling like that also the propaganda and commenters are from thisRussian troll farms

When you click on their faces it looks like generic posters that are fake.

[moondust]

60. No doubt they're stoking the fire.

No matter who started it.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

63. Of course.

Apparently the two second attention span of the average American forgot all about Putin laundering Russian money to Republicans through the NRA and rat fucking 2016.

That happened.

Maria Butina ring a bell? The fat ugly Russians inside the Oval Office with the fat ugly Felon 45 immediately after his pretend swearing in? That only the Russian media was allowed to photograph? The fat laughing hyenas celebrating the bloated asshole's firing of James Comey? I remember.

After an American slap on the wrist Maria Butina was sent home to Moscow to a hero's welcome, then went to Alexi Nalvany's prison cell to "interview" him, as a kind of "journalist." No Russian rat fucking, though, right?

No, but I'm sure Putin would never rat fuck America again, knowing full well his useful idiot would hand over Ukraine and probably most of Europe to him after abandoning and destroying NATO. Why would anyone think that? He only fucking assassinated his most formidable opponent after poisoning him, then falsely imprisoning him. But it's all good, right? Nothing to see here, move along to President Biden glitching and needing a teleprompter for a damn speech, he must be old and let's pretend Michelle Obama, or ANYone else, will just be plugged right into the Democratic nominee slot, four fucking months before the election.

JFC. WTAF is going on with deniers to obvious blatant criminal reality? It makes me truly sick.