Trump challenged Biden to another debate. Biden should take him up on that, ASAP.

[democrattotheend]

Donald Trump has challenged Joe Biden to a “no holds barred” debate while the White House and the Democratic officials scramble to respond to the president’s flailing performance at their first 2024 matchup last week.

“I have the answer to the Crooked Joe Biden Incompetence Puzzle — Let’s do another Debate, but this time, no holds barred,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social during the Fourth of July holiday.

“An all on discussion, with just the two of us on stage, talking about the future of our Country,” he added. “The ratings were massive for the First Debate, record setting, in fact, but this one, because of the format, would blow everything away!”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-biden-next-debate-challenge-b2574868.html

IMO, President Biden should take him up on his offer and push for the next debate to happen ASAP. Prove that last Thursday was just a fluke, the result of him being sick. Part of the reason this has been so damaging is because the next debate is not until September. Obama was able to turn things around after his disastrous first debate with Romney in 2012 by doing much better in the next debate (and with Biden doing really well against Paul Ryan before that). If Biden can get another debate on the calendar soon, he'll have the chance to turn things around before the convention and leave no doubt that he's up to the job. Campaign rallies and even an ABC interview won't be enough to change the narrative. A much stronger performance in a second debate would.

[Music Man]

1. Totally agree.

He needs to show that he's not afraid of a thing.

[democrattotheend]

2. If he does as well as he did against Paul Ryan in 2012

That should be enough to end the discussion.

[moonscape]

9. A debate where the former can shout down

and bully, just the two of them on stage without mic cuts and rules?

No way!

[Freya66]

17. Mud Wrestling

I agree. I think the only way is to try and teach Joe to wrestle down low. Call Trump a liar, get mean. Alas it would be a shouting match with no substance. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[BumRushDaShow]

60. "the only way is to try and teach Joe to wrestle down low"

Joe Biden is not Barack Obama and never had the burden that Obama had being a black man and subsequently being tarred as "the angry black man".

Biden knows how to be a "street fighter" vs a "boxer". Every one of his speeches he has called 45 a "liar" and he is known to "go there" with the f-bombs as well when you "let Joe be Joe".

[tazkcmo]

66. In short, Be yourself, Mr. President!

Be that working class man from Scranton and give him what for in the same language he uses with his family when someone adjusted his recliner without returning it to Dad's position!

[PatSeg]

68. I don't think anyone needs to teach Joe how to wrestle

This is a man who said to Slobodan Milošević to his face, "I think you're a damn war criminal and you should be tried as one".

Just because Joe is a gentleman, doesn't mean he doesn't have a lot of fight in him and he doesn't need any lessons. Don't mistake decency and courtesy for weakness. This man has been fighting his entire life.


Welcome to DU!

[Music Man]

65. I agree. I'm talking about going through with a second debate.

I think it's important for Joe to get back up there. Not with a no-hold-barred format that Trump is talking about, but the moderated one on ABC this September.

[GoreWon2000]

80. You want to subject Joe Biden to another Stephanolpoulos attack job?

I don't think so.

[Trueblue1968]

48. Debate should be on MSNBC ... Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and Joy Reid are Moderators.

..... I would be the time monitor and bouncer !!!


I would consider doing this as an honor, do so without pay.

[mcar]

71. But that's not what's proposed here by the Felon

He's proposing a one-on-one, no moderators, "no holds barred" debate.

[spanone]

3. You can't debate a liar and he is the king of liars.

[SWBTATTReg]

4. No. If there isn't any fact checking, then tRUMP's constant lying wins. The lying has to stop.

[democrattotheend]

10. I disagree

Despite Biden's weak performance last Thursday, one takeaway from the focus groups was that voters were reminded why they didn't like Trump. It's why the polls haven't shifted more. But Trump's lies have been overshadowed by questions about whether Biden is up for the job. If Biden does much better in another debate against Trump soon, he can (mostly) shut up his detractors and shift the focus back to Trump's lies. At a minimum, it would shut down those who are accusing him and his staff of keeping access to him tightly controlled to cover up his health issues.

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Sorry, but I still disagree, and you're of course fine w/ your position. It's just that that is all we hear from djt,

24x7, his constant lying. Always the lying. Sick of it.

[Blue Owl]

5. The ol' bait and switch

With fact-checking and a healthy Dark Brandon, he can turn Captain Pantload into a bucket of chum

[demmiblue]

6. Good lawd, no.

[regnaD kciN]

7. I would, but...

…if he did, I’m sure Trump would forget about having made the challenge.

[democrattotheend]

12. Then Biden can taunt him and ask what he's afraid of

Trump's ego is way too big not to take that challenge.

[mcar]

8. Oh for god's sake, no!

Just the two of them, no moderators?* It would be a clusterfck. Trump would talk over Biden, interrupt, and be a total asshole.

Biden would be presidential but it would be like "debating" a poo-flinging monkey.

*Bash and Tapper were awful but at least they controlled the mikes.

[hlthe2b]

18. Yeah... Even the strongest, most determined opponent would be seeking a gun or throwing knives 10 min in...

Like trying to talk down a charging angry bull.

[hlthe2b]

11. Trump will just scream non-stop over Biden. Even if they were not all lies (which they will be), Biden will

have an immense disadvantage from the first...

[MichMan]

20. The overwhelming consensus here pre debate was that Trump would either not show or have a meltdown

,storm off the stage, and President Biden would rip him to shreds.

Neither of which unfortunately turned out to be correct.

[hlthe2b]

25. Well, Biden's peformance aside, Trump behaved as the unconscionable bully that he is.

Not sure why anyone would think he'd be different next time. You can't have a civil debate with a sociopathic liar and narcissistic bully. A bit like letting a serial killer babysit your kids and thinking they would behave as a kindly "uncle" figure.

[hlthe2b]

23. Dupe...

[GoCubsGo]

73. Which is exactly why he's proposing "no holds barred."

This is what he wants. The only way Joe should agree to such a shitshow is if comes at the end of a 10 mile bicycle ride. And, the entire ride should be televised. I don't give a shit if Trump has to ride one of those adult tricycles, because he can't ride a two-wheeler.

[KS Toronado]

13. Totally agree with one little minor rule

A moderator who does nothing but turns mikes on & off and time out for commercial break.
Biden would eat his lunch.

[Disaffected]

35. That could work.

And possibly to Biden's great advantage. No moderator questions asked - just give each a set time to talk (two minutes?) about anything they want and switch back and forth.

And, IMO, Biden should state at the outset he will not attempt to refute the inevitable torrent of Trump lies as it would be a futile waste of effort, and simply spend his time on policy and other worthy debate matters.

[BootinUp]

14. My opinion is to leave decisions in the hands of Biden and the campaign.

The only thing we need to do is follow their lead on messaging and play our role to get it out, make contributions that we can etc.

[lamp_shade]

15. No.

[Buckeyeblue]

19. It's tempting. But it doesn't sound like it would be productive.

Maybe same format as the last one. But not a free for all.

[Lovie777]

21. It's already set..........................

more bullshit from shithole.

[onethatcares]

22. Joe's team should reply

This is not the WWF. Then they should say the best next debate would be each candidate answering the same written questions (pertaining to the country, not the ego), cut the mics after 2 minutes.

Let America hear what they each stand for. EasyPeasy.

Two minutes each man with a one minute rebuttal .

That's a real debate.

[al bupp]

24. And demand that the debate be held at 9am

Let's see the Con at that hour in contrast to Joe and the 9pm slot.

[jimfields33]

31. They are always at 9pm and will stay 9pm.

[Mossfern]

50. Is there some sort of law regarding that?

It can be taped or take place on a Saturday morning.
Great challenge for Trump.

[jimfields33]

53. Goes back decades. They want max eyeballs

Having it at 9am would result in less than a million watching like all the shows get now. It’d be a stupid thing to do which is why they will never do it.

[regnaD kciN]

58. Not exactly...

The networks want to start them at 9:00 P.M. Eastern Time for broadcast purposes, but there’s no requirement that debates be held on the east coast. Hold the debate in, say, Sacramento or Las Vegas, and it can begin at 6:00 P.M. local time.

[jimfields33]

59. I suppose. Let's see if they take the 9am suggestion.

[MichMan]

72. That would be the exact same thing

[al bupp]

77. You're so serious, my friend

I guess I should have added the tongue in cheek emoji.

[jimfields33]

79. I'm sorry. I probably do take it too far in the serious category.

I’ll try to relax more. I think it’s fair for me to try.

[Meadowoak]

26. Nope, you can't debate a gish galloping liar.

Might as well debate a gorilla flinging poop.

[haele]

27. One shouldn't play chess with a pigeon.

The pigeon will strut around, knock over pieces, shit on the board and declare itself the winner.
TFG has as much knowledge of debate as an entitled three year old with wishy-washy parents who just give him whatever he wants too shut him up.

Haele

[The_Counsel]

28. You Know What This....uh..."Challenge" Tells Me...?

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It tells me that even Dolt45 knows he didn’t “win” the first debate. He came off as a lying asshole, and he knows it.

Biden, meanwhile, sounded weak for two minutes and stuttered some words. Some Dems panicked and the media—including the parts that still hate Dolt45–won’t STFU about it even 8 days hence. This is really becoming annoying, but I digress…

What Biden should do is continue to highlight publicly that Trump didn’t win shit and that’s why he wants another debate. He’ll get the one that’s planned in September and shut up about it. That should hold him for a few weeks…🤣

[GenThePerservering]

47. Don't agree entirely

IMHO, Trump thinks he's on a roll so he wants another debate. He's not the type to ever think he failed. Since the spineless dems calling for Joe to step down are so loud, and the M$M are largely a bunch of asses, Trump will use that, too.

Nope, Trump is perfectly confident. I think Joe and his team will need to consider how to use that against Trump.

ETA: One of the tactics, to say "we debate in December, hold your pants, man" I think is a good one. Then work on what a liar Trump is. Agree!

[The_Counsel]

74. That's Exactly It: Dolt45 Will Never Admit Any Shortcomings Publicly.

He wants his fans to believe he’s winning.

The tell that he knows the truth is a little different is the fact that he wants another debate on his terms. If he were truly winning, he would be smart to never debate again and even skip the remaining one already planned.

Of course, know that Dolt45 is not that smart, though.

As for Biden, his team’s response should be “see you September, asshole!” From now until then, keep pounding him with the truth. Don’t play the dotard’s game….

[The_Counsel]

75. That's Exactly It: Dolt45 Will Never Admit Any Shortcomings Publicly.

He wants his fans to believe he’s winning.

The tell that he knows the truth is a little different is the fact that he wants another debate on his terms. If he were truly winning, he would be smart to never debate again and even skipped the remaining one already planned.

Of course, know that Dolt45 is not that smart, though.:evilsmile:

As for Biden, his team’s response should be “see you September, asshole!” From now until then, keep pounding him with the truth. Don’t play the dotard’s game….

[bigtree]

29. President Biden should take his sweet time responding to the convicted felon

...maybe communicate through his probation officer.

[bucolic_frolic]

30. I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. Everything's a setup now.

[Bayard]

32. No moderator?

Only if Joe can bring a ball bat. trump has proven time and again that he cannot behave in a civil manner.

Get someone who actually moderates and makes trump answer the questions, without using the time to go back to the last question, then get more time to answer the present question. That really pissed me off.

Other than that--go for it. I want to see him do more town halls.

[Ocelot II]

33. Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You'll just get dirty and the pig likes it.

This old saying applies absolutely to debates with Trump.

[honest.abe]

34. I dont think so. If anything like the last one we are dead.

[jgmiller]

36. The best way to beat a bully is to draw attention AWAY from him

Trump wants to do this for the attention, Biden could perform flawlessly and it would still help and satisfy Trump. The best thing Biden can do is what he is doing, attack him heavily at every campaign stop.

That's not enough though, he needs to talk to the press. I'd prefer he do press conferences but I think he can avoid that just do every one on one interview request he gets from legitimate journalists. He also needs to do town halls, do lots of town halls.

Again right now the attention is on Biden for the wrong reason but if he flips this then the attention will be on him for the right reason and it will drive Trump crazy.

[JI7]

37. Becsuse He saw what he said doesn't matter

as long as he can be louder.

[MOMFUDSKI]

39. Not worth

the risk.

[Hope22]

40. TSF AND CNN did not follow the rules the first time.

The ex Felon in chief talked over the President and failed to answer most questions. He also threatened to charge Biden for past actions. I say no to another faux debate. The first one was hard enough on me! I will not watch another.

[jmowreader]

41. That...might not go the way Trump wants it to

"If I was to go into my secret lab and invent a Frankenstein's monster who embodies every single thing Republicans hate, I'd come out with you. You're a convicted felon. You're facing felony charges in three other courts. You tried to overthrow the government on January 6, 2021. You don't pay your bills and you're a sex offender. And you didn't do a damn thing in your entire first term except cut your own taxes. Why in the hell should anyone vote for you even for dogcatcher?"

[crimycarny]

42. CNN format favored Trump's strengths, TownHall would favor Biden's

CNN format was perfect for a pathological liar who is allowed to lie endlessly with no pushback. I feel Joe Biden's debate preparers failed him in that they wanted him to be a policy wonk versus letting Joe be Joe and speak from his heart. People don't respond to "in I enacted a policy that helps making under which saved an average of a year!" Let Joe speak from his heart and do what he does best--connect with people. Instead of spouting policy minutia, talk about why he created those policies.

Joe Biden truly seems to understand the struggles of the average American like no other President. Allow him to show that side of him.

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. Bad idea

A second debate, with rules, has already been scheduled.

A rules-free debate now would be a terrible idea.

[Takket]

44. "The ratings were massive for the First Debate"

No they weren't!

i think drumpf is nuts. he should take the win knowing Biden was hampered by being sick and not do any more debates. especially since his supporters in the media are destroying Biden over it. Another "win" changes nothing for drumpf. A loss can only hurt him. There's no reason for him to debate again. A healthy Biden will crush him.

[eppur_se_muova]

70. He expounded at lenght on his belief that ratings are literally all that matter (to him).

So, of course he has to lie about the ratings.

{ If( important_to_tfg == YES )
then {lie ; } ;
}

[Hekate]

45. Not just no, but Hell No. Trump is a veritable firehose of shit. He cannot be stopped or even turned aside

NOBODY on CNN would or could stop him, and afterward they pretended it was the victim’s Joe Biden’s job to fact check him. And if Joe had tried to do that, he would have spent the entire time responding to lies and zero time on his own points.

So NO. This is a stunt that benefits no one but Trump and his drooling cultists — as well as our future overlords.

[iluvtennis]

46. In my opinion Bedien shouldn't do it. Stick to the schedule of 2nd debate in September as per agreed to format. n/t

[harumph]

49. This is a DAF idea.

Trump is just going to be a firehose of lies. He's just so full of shit. He can spout 10 lies in 30 seconds. How are you going to
counter that parade of bullshit. You can't. Biden should just say, Trump lies so fast and furiously that it would take all day to
address each one of them - so what's the point?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. Yes!!!! It's the only thing that will get eyes on Biden.

Surprised that Trump wants to do it. I’ll believe it when I see it.

[GoCubsGo]

52. What he is proposing is not a "debate."

It's a WWE-style clown show, with no rules, and allows him to be the loud, fucking bully that he is. Nobody in their right mind would agree to that.

[Mossfern]

54. Is there such a thing as a rules free debate?

Is it even possible?
I imagine that as more like a barroom argument leading to a brawl.
Not a debate.

[Scrivener7]

55. Not no holds barred. Heavily mediated, fact checked on the spot by

multiple news outlets.

[Freethinker65]

56. Not so fast.

Media is paying attention to what Biden says now, often with free live media exposure (doing it because they want to catch Biden falter again). Use the free attention, with no Trump, effectively to Biden's advantage and see where things stand in a few weeks

[helpisontheway]

57. No way. Nt

[EndlessWire]

61. No.

Trump is a gishy (love this new word) liar, and there is nothing to be gained from this. Let the Orange Turd say what he wants to, but I would advise Biden not to bother. We have heard everything that each side has to say. Fixing the aftermath of the first debate is going well with interviews and speeches; let's hold it at that. There is more that Biden can say, eg., military tribunals, but he should say it through interviews or speeches.

Trump thinks that he is winning. You can see his enthusiasm through his uplift in energy, bragging, etc. He thinks that his style of debate lying will do more to harm Biden. No one called him out on all the lies he told. He got away with it. As a voter, I am satisfied that we have explored debates enough. Biden is still Dark Brandon in my eyes; I'd rather see him visiting our military and going to places that Trump can't go, like aircraft carriers, etc. That would be more beneficial. Let's not give Trump any more platform to lie through his doughy ass and insult our candidate.

And if he has to defend the decision to not participate, he can say, I'm not going to debate a liar. Everyone would agree with that, IMO.



#trumpisachildrapist #dumpthecourt

[GenThePerservering]

62. Let Joe sing "See You in September"

and just needle Dump in the interim. Relentlessly.

[regnaD kciN]

63. My counterproposal...

A debate with three minutes per question for each candidate, moderated by the guy from Politifact who does the “Pants On Fire” fact-checks.

Any time a candidate utters a provable lie, a buzzer sounds, a big red “X” appears on his podium, and his remaining time on that question is taken away and given to his opponent. If any candidate accumulates, say, ten Xs, the debate is stopped and his opponent is declared the official winner.

It would be over faster than the second Ali-Liston bout.

If that seems a bit much, how about doing a simple debate with full fact-checking?

[tazkcmo]

64. If it was my call

I would say no. Refusal is power because only President Biden decides and never, ever, ever should he surrender one molecule of his power to TSF who will obsess about it and whine all through his miserable little sob fests, calling President Biden names which will be amplified to the cult through Faux, et al. It'll drive TSF crazier. It's all he'll be able to talk about.

There are other reasons to decline to debate. Legitimizing TSF's candidacy as a convicted felon, known rapist, utterly untrustworthy POS. Giving TSF a national platform to spew more lies and we all know that's exactly what TSF will do. Or committing an unforced error that the "liberal" press will amplify to "Mt. Vesuvius erupts!" levels. President Biden has his fair share of "gaffes" and while I think it makes him even more likeable, I'm aware of how his opponents can and have make him pay politically.

I reserve the right to change my mind and disavow this post if President Biden does debate and kicks TSF from here to kingdom come.

[yourout]

67. Only if Trump going to be fact checked in real time otherwise forget it.

Otherwise it's a complete waste of time and nothing but another opportunity for the orange idiot too machine gun lie after lie after lie.

[we can do it]

76. Fuck no

[anglesphere]

78. What are they going to debate?

Which is better, authoritarianism or democracy?

That shouldn't be up for debate, imho.