I'm gonna have to be careful here...

[PCIntern]

Because not for one instant do I want to be accused of disparaging Democrats.

If a Republican candidate had had a bad debate, the first thing out of the gate would have been the entire Party stating that they had clearly and overwhelmingly won the debate no question about it. They would Gish Gallop any commentators who suggested otherwise and would state that a significant rise in the polls was forthcoming as a result.

There would not be a single solitary hint of dissatisfaction with the candidate or the debate performance and it would be full speed ahead redoubled.

We seem to have difficulty going for broke and are characterized as having grace, class, and patriotism. Yeah. Great. Do remember that we barely beat Gerald Ford, an appointed President who had zero charisma, had pardoned Nixon, and we lived through the worst political scandal to date with constant Republican attempts to whitewash it, with them giving in only because the tapes came out. They would never ever do that now. It was horrifyingly close all things considered. Did I mention horrific inflation during the Ford Presidency. Remember WIN: Whip Inflation Now? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

We need to blitz the airwaves and the Net with ads that show Trump saying one of his insanely inappropriate statements and then have a spokesman or even The President himself say “Are you effing kidding me? He really said that. Wow…this is just nuts.” Or words equivalent. All gloves off…no more “debates”. Show this sociopath for what he is. No holds barred. Make him a laughingstock.

[shrike3]

1. No argument from me. Longtime problem.

[peppertree]

39. Sad - but true.

The least we could do now, is to make as loud a ruckus as we can about the sworn affidavit showing that Trump forced 12 year-old girls to engage in threeways with him.

If the shoe were on Biden's foot (perish the thought), Repugs and their media surrogates would make sure even the last villager in Tumbuktu would find out - complete with every imaginable detail (including some fictitious ones).

It would be a red-bannered, ominously scored, giant bold-face Farce News ALERT all day - every day.

[spanone]

2. K&R

[Ocelot II]

3. I agree that Democrats have to go balls-to-the-wall on sticking up for Biden

and especially on lighting Trump on fire, all day and every day. If someone other than Biden ends up at the top of the ticket - and I hope that doesn't happen - it's even more important that voters understand what a complete disaster another Trump term would be.

[H2O Man]

4. Recommended.

Very well said.

[jmbar2]

5. I've been posting this...getting lots of retweats

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

18. I can't hear a thing but his idiot voice

[ShazzieB]

35. I finally heard it!

Last edited Sat Jul 6, 2024, 04:16 PM - Edit history (2)

I hear him talking and blathering and yammering .... and absolutely nothing else.

Right after I posted this, I tried one more time, and I finally heard this HUGE nothingburger. Details in comment #49, below.

[sop]

36. I didn't hear any flatulence. I did hear Trump prattling on like a lunatic on speed, making no sense and lying.

I also watched Biden shaking his head in disbelief at Trump's relentless tsunami of bullshit.

[ShazzieB]

46. I finally heard it.

Last edited Sat Jul 6, 2024, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

It's just barely audible...just sounds like the ternsiest of farts.

The way I finally caught it was with the closed captions on. I focused on the captions and watched for the words "too much money" to appear so that I wasn't distracted by what he was saying or Joe's "omg, is he REALLY saying that?" facial expressions, and there it was, a teeny tiny little fart.

So I can now confirm that it is there...just barely. But so what?? I can't stand TSF and my opinion of him couldn't be any lower. But claiming that little tiny sound was evidence of him soiling himself is ridiculous, and fixating on his supposed fecal incontinence is a complete waste of time anyway. We need to keep the focus on all the horrible things about him that make him completely unfit to be president and a danger to everything this country has ever aspired to be.

I'm actually a little embarrassed that I put that much time and energy into trying to hear that teensy expulsion of gas. But I'm not sorry I did, because I can now speak with confidence about how truly and utterly insignificant it was.

I'm amazed at the way this is being blown out of proportion. The guy farted, and like I said already, so what? News flash: People fart. It proves nothing, and it means nothing. End of story.

[sop]

50. I'll listen again.

If the worst thing Trump ever did was fart, he'd still be president.

[wnylib]

59. I heard it on a podcast that focused on it.

I agree that it's more important to zero in on Trump's words, actions, and incompetence.

But think about this. Trump's mic was near his face. He is a tall man. His butt was far away from the mic, on the other side of his body. Yet the mic picked it up. So, for people present, it must have been LOUD.

Given all that, was Biden's facial expression due to Trump's words or to the sound coming out his butt? Or the smell? Maybe we should say that Biden got methane gassed by Trump.

Also makes me wonder about that well known pic of Zelenskyy with Trump, giving Trump the side eye.

[Walleye]

43. I heard it after listening to it the second time. Wet fart.

[ShazzieB]

51. I beg to differ.

Sorry to pour cold water on this, but all I heard was a very brief, barely audible fart. I had to play the video several times to even catch it at all.

I think it's quite a reach to say that this is evidence that he soiled himself. All it proves is that the guy farted at a somewhat inopportune time.

I agree that he was spewing gibberish. He obviously didn't have an answer for the question about opioid addiction, so he gish galloped about China until his time ran out. Shame on him for that. But pooping his pants? Insufficient evidence.

[cilla4progress]

6. 1000000%

agree.

Gonna go send Joe some more dough so he knows we are 100% behind him.

No dummies us! 👍🏾

[True Dough]

7. I don't see why

you'd need to walk on eggshells with that OP. It's a justifiable position.

[PCIntern]

9. Because if I say what I'd like to say

I’d be alerted because I broke the rules. And I’m a lifelong liberal Democrat. I’ve had posts up for debate in the past which presciently turned out to be true and later acknowledged to be accepted as doctrine after the fact. But they were removed and I was warned. It’s ok though…I understand. I’ve been here 20+ years…

[central scrutinizer]

8. Pound them with their medieval stance on women's health care

There are so many horrific scenarios if TSF wins. Need to GOTV based not so much on Biden’s accomplishments as on fear of the looming hellscape. Get the uncommitted off their asses and vote blue.

[Evolve Dammit]

54. War against women and POC. Actually all of us

SCOTUS green lighted autocracy

[allegorical oracle]

63. Agree. Women's health care is the issue that has the broadest reach to the most

households, regardless of party. Moreover, each passing day another family experiences a tragic event related to this sad turn of events caused by TFG. Want to see ten-second spot ads all day, every day, on every major outlet until the election.

[Progressive dog]

10. I agree

How is it possible that we are supposed to worry about Biden taking 2 am phone calls bot not worry about having Trump, who, well into the COVID pandemic suggested getting disinfectants into your body. He did this in public to prove how much smarter he was than the scientists at the CDC and FDA, who were right there. He knew he could say anything and get away with it.
It is astounding to me that anyone could fall for this BS, much less amplify it.
Beating Trump is what we should focus on.

[h2ebits]

11. +1000 Can't say it enough times--Offense not defense needed NOW TODAY

[peggysue2]

12. Spot on!

We have a Republic to save. We have a future to ensure for our kids and grand babies. We have a legacy to preserve for all those who came before us and sacrificed so much.

The enemy hellbent on blowing up the country is Donald Trump and his odious enablers. Not Joe Biden!

Time for people to get their heads out of their asses and start moving the ball forward, not backwards.

We've got a country to save. For the love of God, start acting like it!

[llmart]

23. Great rant!

Great examples. I'm with you on that. It's all hands on deck now. I hate to borrow his line but "we've got to fight like hell or we won't have a country any longer." Guess that line was just more projection from the psychopath.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. Couldn't agree with you more, my dear PCIntern!

Why are we timid? I've never gotten it.

We need to come in with gloves off and ready to do (verbal) battle. But we never do.

[Tetrachloride]

14. Democrats are more likely to fight among themselves than taking it to the Republicans

[Missiris]

20. old saying

Lifelong dem. I remember an old saying.....when things get tough, republicans get in line and democrats circle the wagons and shoot inward. Go Biden!

[Bumbles]

15. I've been dumbfounded by the lack of both siderism when it comes to Trump.

The media sure does dump on Biden. A Trump dump is what is needed.

[Iris]

16. I mean Trump handed us the line with his "Black and Hispanic jobs" bullshjt

[DENVERPOPS]

17. It blows my mind

that no one, and I mean no one is talking about this:

GISH GALLOP

I will go find it and edit it on this post...

GISH GALLOP

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Gish gallop (/ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/) is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by abandoning formal debating principles, providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments and that are impossible to address adequately in the time alloted to the opponent. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.

Name origin
The term, "Gish gallop", was coined in 1994 by anthropologist Eugenie Scott, who named it after American creationist Duane Gish. Scott argued that Gish used the technique frequently when challenging the scientific fact of evolution.[1]

Strategy
During a Gish gallop, in a short space of time the galloper confronts an opponent with a rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations, and outright lies that makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of the debate.[2] Each point raised by the Gish galloper takes considerably more time to refute or to fact-check than the amount of time taken to state each one in the series. This technique is known online [3] as Brandolini's law and frequently is referred to as "the bullshit asymmetry principle". That element of the technique also is referred to as spewing a firehose of falsehoods.


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The technique wastes an opponent's time and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved or, if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics.


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[Martin68]

19. You are right.

[usonian]

21. I was going to post something very similar

But I had to do some shopping before the temps hit 106. Yeah, I'm steaming mad and going to do something about it.

This afternoon.

Lots of material to gather, summarize briefly, and link to sources.

[KS Toronado]

22. The reason reQublicans will never say a negative word about any R

and will circle their wagons around one when need be is because they're a CULT. They can not see truths
nor think for themselves.

[moniss]

24. Yes indeed because we will not win

a knife fight using logical appeals pointing to our good policies and the good economy. The media will damn all of that with faint praise on a 24/7 basis if they mention it at all. For example you see all kinds of reports interviewing people who are "struggling" with inflation (nearly all that inflation is corporate greed) but you won't see reports about those who have seen way better wages and job offers and the positive effects for them.

The big media has it's chosen way to go. That direction is a purposeful choice not to show the successes of the Biden administration. There is no reason for us to be civil to the media while candidates and others on our side do media interviews.

[IggleDuer]

25. Not the first time he spoke inappropriately

One July fourth, he spoke about the brave revolutionaries valiantly defending our airports. He’s been crazy for a while.

[GainesT1958]

58. I mean, it took a lot...

For the Continental Army's cannon volleys to fend off those attacking R.A.F. Spitfires...🤔🤣

[Kaleva]

26. People here would rather concentrate on Biden's performance at the debate

OP after OP here is either directly or indirectly connected to the debate

[llmart]

27. Couldn't agree more.

This is going to have to be done from the grassroots level. We cannot rely on mainstream media. We also have to reach the young voters, so that's not going to be done through newspapers. They don't read newspapers. They don't watch mainstream teevee. They are strictly online, unfortunately sometimes way too much, but as much as I am not a Tik Tok fan, or even Facebook or X whatever it is, that's where we'll reach the younger generations.

[c-rational]

28. Well said. K&R.

[Desert grandma]

29. This is right on point!

Totally agree with your assessment.

[proud patriot]

30. I'm in

[Joinfortmill]

31. AMEN!!!!!!!

[Trueblue Texan]

32. I absolutely agree!

We need to close ranks around our president and let the media take notice. Stand by Joe or we lose our democracy!

[GoneOffShore]

33. Thank you - I've been in a severe state of 'on the ledge' for days.

I really don't know why this nonsense is happening, but on the other hand, I totally get it.

[Glaisne]

34. We're at war

not enough Democrats in the party realize it. I'm sorry but it's time to embrace our inner Sherman, Patton, and Grant, the time to be diplomatic, and high ground is over. Fascists and Nazis are to be destroyed not reasoned with. This is a fight for our lives, time to act like it.

[yellowdogintexas]

37. Do you know the name of your precinct chair? Find out; call that person and offer your services

It is not just blockwalking, phone banking or literature drops. Postcard parties. Donate $$ for supplies (especially postage). Host small gatherings of Democrats and get their help. Your county party can give you lists of folks to contact to help get out the vote. Network with the grass roots organizations in your county. Volunteer for a campaign. Drive blockwalkers in this oppressive heat.

Go to Postcards to Swing States and get some postcards. I have a batch for Texas, with a list for mailing. Write a short message, and send them off right before early voting starts. I can't believe Texas is on the list but it is. The cards are classy and beautiful; voters will notice them.

If you live in a swing state, this is very important. If you live in a blue state, get addresses for a swing state.

[Alliepoo]

38. Agree 100%

Time to stop being nice and climb in the gutter to do battle. We have to meet them where they live. We can’t fight gutter trash from the high road.

[mountain grammy]

40. Completely agree!

[dalton99a]

41. Kick

[Warpy]

42. That debate is not going to hurt Biden as much as the media

and a few spineless jhellyfish in Congress want it to. It won't hurt in the long run because he is still out there making good speeches and besides, TFG is an out of control nutcase.

Anybody pulling in 7 figures a year and up will likely see his taxes go up under Biden, whereas only we "little people" will see the increase under T The little people haven't figured that out yet.

I can see nothing else that has created so much terror in the wallets, er, hearts of the movers and shakers.

[Walleye]

44. And of course, if Trump wins, they expect a peaceful transfer of power and a gracious concession. we never do otherwise

[wiggs]

45. Yes...it's going to happen. Already seems that a LOT of people are realizing everyone

needs to double their efforts, work hard, be brutally honest, and not leave it all up to others.

I think we'll see more republicans come out and be heard, frequently (Bush, Cheney, Ryan, Boehner, former cabinet members, even old guard like McConnell, etc). More public figures. More CEOs. There will be an avalanche of condemnation in the last couple of months. It is that serious.

Now is the time to face the wind!

(credit B for lyric)

[PatrickforB]

47. I like it. We've got to stop being genteel and nice. Let's go for the jugular for a change. n/t

[Hermit-The-Prog]

48. All 50 of traitortrump's lies during the debate...

[Blue Owl]

49. K&R

[IbogaProject]

52. Put he focus back on the GOP and Jeffry Epstein.

Deny any issue, then deflect as he is doing a great job and push back on the GOP about the "Ticking Middle Class Time bomb" laid by the GOP back in 2017, plus how all their previous tax cuts for the wealthy have all been bad for everyday Americans. Finally ask any reporter if they ever went to Epstein's Island? Serious pivot to how no one in the media is talking about the huge Epstein Grand Jury doc drop from back when the Bush Administration basically let Jeffry Epstein get away nearly trouble free after credible accusations about child sex trafficking. That is why the media is attacking Joe Biden, The TurdSlinger is Toast is the Epstein docs get any serious coverage. Plus the Hispanic focus group run by Univision during the debate, moved solidly towards Joe Biden right after the debate.

[usonian]

53. As promised, Zap the Crap: Your success, and our success is based on what we do, not what someone else says.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219113147

[ibegurpard]

55. People that continue to push this narrative

Even in a good faith effort to allow discussion are reinforcing it with those who pay attention only slightly.
This feeding frenzy is unbelievable and reminds me of the Dean scream.

[czarjak]

56. S. O. P. Then.

[Martin Eden]

57. Hoist TFG on his own petard

His own words and deeds can be used to impale him.

[kentuck]

60. Democrats are not as comfortable lying..

....as are Republicans.

[karynnj]

61. I agree that the Republicans do rally around a leader maybe especially when he is hurt

I wonder if part of the reason is that they are also more likely to support
authoritarian, strict "parents". We seem to demand that respect and support be repeatedly earned.

As to how they would have handled a President having a terrible debate, look back to 2004. After a very short, weak effort to say Bush won, the main response was that were not electing a debater, but a President. Then followed by claiming W was an excellent wartime President and Kerry, as a Senator has had decades of debating.

Using this template, but using reality of 2024, the Democrats could have said stressful public debates do not reflect the job of President, a job Biden has done well. Trump, on the other hand, is a show man from a "reality" show.

[TRHST82]

62. My theory

Is that the Democratic tent is so vast, it's virtually impossible to have truly cohesive and decisive unity. I also believe most liberals are uncomfortable with ruthless politics and wielding real power because it's contrary to their core value system.

[Traurigkeit]

64. Yup, like herding cats.

[Patton French]

65. Very well said.

We can only hope.